A 240sx with S2000 guts?

[IES13]

WTF? Surfing ebay and came across this interesting 240...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/90-Nissan-240SX-W-Honda-S2000-Engine_W0QQitemZ4587083448QQcategoryZ6396QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

My comment is someone put alot of money into this fab job....

http://i10.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/4e/21/b0_1.JPG

[theicecreamdan]

dont they break transmissions easily?

[sblack13]

why just why???

[revat619]

that motor makes no torque. Pointless swap imo.

[FRpilot]

that should go into a corolla..

[viscid240]

Well at least there is a whole lat of room....... :faint:

Still not my cup of corona :yum:

[IES13]

The engine bay looks so empty...I bet it really pulls like crap!

[jkim87]

dont hate... i think its a pretty kewl swap... props.. well done...

[blackflag_Rms13]

Can't they at least clean the engine bay? Sheeesh...

Definately belongs in an AE86 or an S2000, but definately not an S13. That motor is like the antithesis of a Ka. Props for originality and a clean job though...

[drift freaq]

wow I am going to drop an expensive torqueless wonder in my car! hahahhahahha NOT!!! Its a dumb swap! Nissan has plenty of powerful engines that could go in there with less work. A for originality F for lack of common sense hahahhahahhahhahah

[240SeXy!]

Wow that was dumb waste of money.... wow that really should go into a ae86 instead.. :nono:

[240SeXy!]

Hahaha sorry just thought of it.... DAMN i cant wait till my Vtec Pops, then there will be mad driftage accouring!
http://theclub.digitalinsomnia.cc/modules/gallery/albums/album07/dkim215_vtec.jpg

[SoSideways]

Man, for those of you that are dogging VTEC, have you ever been in/driven Hondas that have VTEC?

I'm not talking about those POS Civics with their 1 cam wonder D16 VTEC BS either, I'm talking about a K20C RSX-S and the S2000. I personally drove a RSX-S and had it into the VTEC zone, and let me tell you, it's badass. Same with S2000, car pulls like crazy.

You guys have to remember, from factory, the S2000 weighs like 2800 to 2900 pounds. They're not light, and if the F20C can pull that car hard from pretty much all gears (provided you're not being a dumbass and try to go from like 2000 rpm), then I think it would be sick in a 240.

Much props to the guy who did the swap. Too bad he's not keeping it, car must be fun!

[wootwoot]

You can pick up usdm f20c clips for the same price as a clean s14 sr20det clip. I think the swap is frickin great. I honestly considered doing it myself, whats bad about the engine? One thing that bugs me, he could have atleast CLEANED the engine bay. Look how close that frickin engine is to the firewall!!! The engine should weigh less than an sr20 as well since it is open deck. I'm curious how well it works in there though, buying engine swapped cars=bad

[m0rex]

I algo agree . THe egine is not that bad. It has a bad ass red line. Its probably fun to drive. Then when the vtec spools up its torque time. LMAO> God im never drikin again.

[IES13]

Hey hey hey...can't really hate the Honda(s). Some of the greatest tuner cars that started it all. But a Honda in a Nissan....wtf...I have a 94 Accord with a H22a swap as my daily drivers and I love it, great for the streets but sucks trying to drift with it.... :P

[EchoOfSilence]

Hey hey hey...can't really hate the Honda(s). Some of the greatest tuner cars that started it all. But a Honda in a Nissan....wtf...I have a 94 Accord with a H22a swap as my daily drivers and I love it, great for the streets but sucks trying to drift with it.... :P
actually, hondas didn't start it at all.

[420sx]

^ for alot of ricers they did.

[FRpilot]

thats why i said it would be nice in corolla or 510.. really light weight cars with good power like s2000 motor wil make them fly!

[SoSideways]

Come on guys, it's common sense that when you're talking about NA motors, Honda motors are on top, hands down.

Have you guys seen the flow numbers for the F20C or the K20C? They're ridiculous.

[NateKim]

Hondas suck. You know why? One curb totally owned my Civic. $3500 repair hitting a curb at ~20 MPH. I love my logic. :D

[StudentDrifter]

looks out of place

[SoSideways]

Hondas suck. You know why? One curb totally owned my Civic. $3500 repair hitting a curb at ~20 MPH. I love my logic. :D

That Honda didn't suck.

You suck. Cause you hit the curb. WTF? :p

[NateKim]

That Honda didn't suck.

You suck. Cause you hit the curb. WTF? :p

understeer>me :ughd:

[420sx]

yea u got owned for 3500 bux. well tough shit. :D now u got a 240

[m0rex]

Understeer can still own you. Just slam on the brakes trying to turn at 40 mph.

[trsilvias13]

Hondas suck. You know why? One curb totally owned my Civic. $3500 repair hitting a curb at ~20 MPH. I love my logic. :D


a $3500 damage bill on a s13 will total that too.

[91CRXsiR]

cool idea, would have gone w/ a B20 VTEC swap as its more torqy and good for turbo and cheappppp USDM TYTE

[fliprayzin240sx]

B20 on a 240??? Shiet...we gonna convert it to fwd too??? As for this car, yes its weird but different. I dont think its a bad swap, not everybody drift their 240. Ive ridden on my boys S2K and that engine is silky smooth. Everything in that car was built with grip in mind and top end in mind.

[drift freaq]

Regardless of what any of you say, about the S2000 engine having torque, fact is its torque figures are lower than the average 2 liter pumped to the same amount of HP.
I am not saying its bad its a very dope engine. Its just way out of place in a 240sx. Plus why go to all the effort and extra work wiring and such, it would take to make it work when, like I said before Nissan has plenty of engines that would work fine and give you equal HP results with more torque?
In a 510 or a corolla like FRpilot said would be a great idea. In our cars? Go back to driving your Honda!! Want a S2000 engine that bad buy a S2000 . Great cars! Plus for whoever thinks Honda started it add you need to attack the Import sports car history books. Truthful honesty the 2 cars that started it were none other than the Datsun 510 and 240z . Nissan products!! Honda engines belong in Honda's!

[EchoOfSilence]

Come on guys, it's common sense that when you're talking about NA motors, Honda motors are on top, hands down.

Have you guys seen the flow numbers for the F20C or the K20C? They're ridiculous.
haha NA motors? v8 > Honda motors.

4banger NA motors, alright i'll give it back to you and say you're right.

[SoSideways]

haha NA motors? v8 > Honda motors.

4banger NA motors, alright i'll give it back to you and say you're right.

Obviously I'm talking about between NA 4 cylinders, no motor out there performs better than the high end Honda 4 cylinders.

And obviously the new LS2 and LS7 are gonna be insane and untouchable as far as V8s go, seeing as the LS7 is a detuned LeMans race motor.

However, the V8 that Honda developed for the LeMans program is pretty sick too. Too bad there's not much info about that motor, other than the one that's put into their Legend Max concept car, which was still sick.

Oh, and the other V8 that owns is the VK56DE found on the Titans, Armada, and QX56. For the CORR offroad series, they were making something like 750 hp with all stock components or something ridiculous. Yeah, I want that thing....

[wootwoot]

Well the datsun510/240z were two of the cars in America that started it but you are also forgetting Mazda's rx series which was also biggg. ANOTHER thing you are forgetting is that in Japan people were modding Prince's and older Skylines before anything we had here.
The f20c makes sense in a 240sx for several reasons
1)Its light as fuck
2)Its a Honda engine which means engineered marvelously
3)you can actually simply the wiring immensely. How many wires do you need to make the engine run? You can get rid of a lot espicially on a s13 where the chassis harness is seperate.

There are definitely better engines to go into the car, but if you are determined on a n/a 4cyl this is the one. Or you can try to make some bastard ass Nissan engine which I doubt to be possible. If I was going to go through the hassle of doing a non "standard in the chassis engine" I would PROBABLY have to fit a vq35de in there....tq does matter but it isnt everything when you are capable of revving to 10grand.

[ThatGuy]

I always thought the VW Beetle started it? :keke:

[wootwoot]

I was only thinking Japanese imports for some reason, if we want to get picky it was pre Beetle even ;)

[OptionZero]

if u could retain the s2000 HLSD and perfect shifting action, that'd be a fun car

THe S2k is pretty stiff, but not *really* that light for a small convertible.

I don't tihnk the 240sx chassis is necessarily an advantage, cuz the one you're putting iti n would be old and worna nyways.

how can you not want to at least try 9000 rpm

[wootwoot]

Actually...The most awesome modern chassis for it would definitely be a Miata with a hardtop ofcourse. GOD that would be fun.

[90RS13]

I personally don't like the swap, but Honda motors are well enginered. Honda was actually the first Manufacturer to be considered for the McLaren F1's engine. But McLaren thought the few people that would by them might not if it had a Honda motor, so they went with BMW.

[jkim87]

once you get to drive a s2000 it will make things clear.. they are alot more fun to drive than my sr s13. i love my 240 but man when that car goes to 9000rpm it sounds heavenly.

[HyperTek]

might be a nice motor to put into an fc..

[Jeff240sx]

DriftFreaq, I disagree.
Take a KA, build the living shit out of it for NA duty, and you might hit 190hp. And to make that power, you need the rpms. And once you shift the powerband up for the HP number, the torque drops.
Now, the s2k is 240hp, and 153ft/lbs. Now.. with 7ft/lbs less than a KA, and 85hp more, I'll take that motor over an NA KA any day of the week. Twice on Sunday.

Nobody here should be elitist and slam a motor because of what it came out of. For NA 4cyls, Honda holds all top motors.
-Jeff

[aznpoopy]

might be a nice motor to put into an fc..

been done. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/blkmgc1/f20fc01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/blkmgc1/f20fc02.jpg

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=343759&highlight=s2000+motor+FC

[Ghettokracker71]

I really dislike the wrong company drivetrain swap when fully competent swaps are available from "the right company". While I hate true "riceboys" with their D series shitboxes,and etc. Vtec is really something to be spoken for. Make fun of it,or not. Why else would so many people be copying it? I mean,Honda isn't exactly the first to do variable valve timing (Maybe?) but they are the ones that put it on the map. Note all the copycats out on the market today: VVTI,MiTec,Ztec, come on! The highest form of flattery is inmitation.



Why in an s13 though? :ghey: I like that motor and all,but super :ghey: with all the motors available from nissan for this car. If it was some random brand that didn't make it,or a P.O.S. brand like say....an Izusu chassis where all their shit is worthless,I would understand.

Sorry for the long post.

[cali240sxdrifter]

Me being a previous 240 owner both KA and SR and now a S2000 owner I should chime my own thoughts about this.

Putting the F20C engine into a 240 is a nice change and cool idea of swaps you can do. But other than that and doing NA only battles on the road course I see no other reason to do it. The main reason the S2000 was made with that engine was not to make crazy horsepower or do fast times on the 1/4mile. It was attended to be a nasty beast on the road course and being just a fun car overall.

Being that the S13 is lighter by about 500 pounds (ish) with driver so I would say it can make the S13 fly on a road course.

[wootwoot]

I really dislike the wrong company drivetrain swap when fully competent swaps are available from "the right company".


I love that quote. Putting a f20c in any rx7 is somewhat silly noting that you could make 250-300whp n/a from a Renesis/Cosmo hybrid engine. Putting a f20c into a car that has 5 engine choices or so that came in that chassis or atleast an extremly similar variant also makes me wonder why? But there are always the people who love one thing about one car, but love something else about another; main reason why these things happen. Its like taking the fat ugly girl who is the nicest person in the world but you just cant handle touching her then throwin 40k of plastic surgery at her to make her the perfect women. Ever notice how the coolest hot girls are the ones who use to be ugly?
Whoa offtopic whoops

[OptionZero]

you realize that the Renesis Cosmo swap is freakin hard? Renesis is drive by wire IIRC, and the COSMO is cost prohibitive

[TheSnail]

If I wanted to be fast and unique, I would of rather spend the 5-6k that guy spent on the f20, for a rb26 or an FJ20. Maybe Im being bias, since my next motor is a FJ.

[sideview_180sx]

if you drop in the f20c, why stay NA. vortech supercharger, or boost that bitch. 9grand redline, turbo spooling, vtec engaging, and open wastegate. In a lighter car then originally designed. I'm game, shit why the fuck would you leave it NA unless you really love ITBs, in that instance, love corollas, scotts KA, fuck leaving it stock. BTW s2k put down about 200-210whp. KAs make the HP/TQ figures at the wheels more closely to what the crank output is.

[EchoOfSilence]

If I wanted to be fast and unique, I would of rather spend the 5-6k that guy spent on the f20, for a rb26 or an FJ20. Maybe Im being bias, since my next motor is a FJ.
Damn you!!

[EchoOfSilence]

I always thought the VW Beetle started it? :keke:
I thought the Omni started everything for compacts?
DriftFreaq, I disagree.
Take a KA, build the living shit out of it for NA duty, and you might hit 190hp. And to make that power, you need the rpms.
-Jeff
wow, i didn't expect you to slip. building the 'living shit' out of a sohc gets you above 300.

[NemeGuero]

Hey hey hey...can't really hate the Honda(s). Some of the greatest tuner cars that started it all. But a Honda in a Nissan....wtf...I have a 94 Accord with a H22a swap as my daily drivers and I love it, great for the streets but sucks trying to drift with it.... :P
:bash: :rl: :hammer:

[NemeGuero]

While I hate true "riceboys" with their D series shitboxes,and etc. Vtec is really something to be spoken for. Make fun of it,or not. Why else would so many people be copying it? I mean,Honda isn't exactly the first to do variable valve timing (Maybe?) but they are the ones that put it on the map. Note all the copycats out on the market today: VVTI,MiTec,Ztec, come on! The highest form of flattery is inmitation.

Ford created v-tec

[wootwoot]

you realize that the Renesis Cosmo swap is freakin hard? Renesis is drive by wire IIRC, and the COSMO is cost prohibitive


Do you even know what I'm talking about really? You use the rotating assemly (rotors/ecentric shaft) off of a Renesis and the housings from the 2 rotor Cosmo since they have the largest amount of material in the port area of any said housings allowing you to port them the furthest and retain streetability(aka no perpherial/bridge port)
With engine managment/pulleys and a good intake you can break the 275whp mark and have a 10k redline. It isnt even THAT expensive to piece together. Same amount of money it would cost to get the same amount of power out of a s13 redtop.

[OptionZero]

No, I don't really. But from bits and pieces I've picked up on Rx7club.com, the Renesis engine isn't a particularly straightforward swap, and the COSMO is both hard to source and requires a shitload of work to fit into an FD chassis.

[wootwoot]

Cosmo two rotor bolts into a fd chassis super straightforward, it is the same as a 13b-rew but with smaller ports stock and I believe slightly different turbos. To bolt it into a fcs3 you need a basic motor mount kit which isnt a big deal. What I'm talking about would mean the externals of the engine are the same basically, the internals are re-worked so it isnt that big of a deal...Everything would go together like cake. Sourcing the parts and tuning would be the hardest part

[OptionZero]

there's a 2 rotor cosmo? i thought they only came with the larger 3 rotor

[wootwoot]

Nope, the 2 rotors were slightly rare though which makes it kind of a pain in the ass sourcing housings. These are THE housings to use though. My friends shop uses them and I trust them since their race car on last run ran a [email protected] or something like that with no nitrous and first run of the day. Mike Lowe told me they are the best and he is a guru so I take his word.

[Ghettokracker71]

I knew honda wasn't the first...but they were the ones to put it on the map so to speak

[wootwoot]

First to use it in a production car I believe.

[EchoOfSilence]

Nope, the 2 rotors were slightly rare though which makes it kind of a pain in the ass sourcing housings. These are THE housings to use though. My friends shop uses them and I trust them since their race car on last run ran a [email protected] or something like that with no nitrous and first run of the day. Mike Lowe told me they are the best and he is a guru so I take his word.
you may be talking about 12A housings. in which case you don't have to go all the way to Japan to look for.

What most rotary heads do ( if their 13B's are 6-port) is take 12A's (which are 4-port) and port them and mate them to replace the housings on their 13b's; higher air velocity = better race engine. or at least that's what i was taught.

:bash: :rl: :hammer:


woah there, cowboy. I've seen you 'drift' a prelude :-X :cj:

[wootwoot]

13b's were both 4 and 6 port but I think you know that from how you spoke in the post. The turbo variants were 4 port while the early non turbos were 6 port. There are some other small differences that I dont want to get into because I'm not positive how right Iam and I cant find the information online; dont want to waste my friends time calling him. I am definitely referring to the 13b out of the Cosmo, if you dont believe me search on google for it. I think its kind of a secret but he doesnt try and hide it so oh well.

[ZK]

I think its a great swap. Reliable and fast. That engine is light, it may even weigh less than the KA and SR20DET and give you better weight balance.

It may not be a great drift car but on the track it will kick some ass and plenty good for daily driving. :)

[Jeff240sx]

wow, i didn't expect you to slip. building the 'living shit' out of a sohc gets you above 300.

Really? You're going to pull that on me? How definitive do I need to make statements so nitpickers don't jump on me?
The "above 300hp" SOHC isn't streetable. It doesn't drive on pump gas. And it costs $15k last I checked from Rebello (sp? don't care).

So, my previous statement of "Build the living shit out of a KA and it'll make 190hp" should have read "A KA24DE motor, built with market-current parts, naturally aspirated, spending about the same ammount as an F20 swap, and retaining all similance of streetability and pump-gas operation, will only make about 190 at the wheels, plus or minus 10%."

Does that cover my ass from left-field rebuttals?
-Jeff

[TruckFortySX]

Being a former rotorhead, I must put my 2 cents in....... all na FC's are 6 port. All turbo FC's are 4 port. There was a 4 port na motor, oh sorry.....ENGINE, in the gsl-se sa22c's (1st gen seven's) that was injected and was only 85 model year. There was also a 4 port na engine in the EARLY Mazdas (RE trucks maybe?) that was carbureted. You could use 4 port turbo IRONs with the na rotating assembly and housings, but NOT a 12a/13b hybrid.

[EchoOfSilence]

lol jeff, you think that i didn't think that you knew? please man i respect you more than that. just a little correction, is all.

[NemeGuero]

woah there, cowboy. I've seen you 'drift' a prelude :-X :cj:
No, I drove the shit out of one, and did e-brake slides, and tray sliding... not drifting fucker!!! Never said it was. 'Left field-NITPICKER!'

[wootwoot]

You could use 4 port turbo IRONs with the na rotating assembly and housings, but NOT a 12a/13b hybrid.


I diddnt think any of the parts between 12a/13b were interchangable but diddnt want to say it. Thanks for confirming!

[Jeff240sx]

lol jeff, you think that i didn't think that you knew? please man i respect you more than that. just a little correction, is all.

Wasn't mad :eek3d:
-Jeff

[drift freaq]

DriftFreaq, I disagree.
Take a KA, build the living shit out of it for NA duty, and you might hit 190hp. And to make that power, you need the rpms. And once you shift the powerband up for the HP number, the torque drops.
Now, the s2k is 240hp, and 153ft/lbs. Now.. with 7ft/lbs less than a KA, and 85hp more, I'll take that motor over an NA KA any day of the week. Twice on Sunday.

Nobody here should be elitist and slam a motor because of what it came out of. For NA 4cyls, Honda holds all top motors.
-Jeff
Well see you guys took my statements the wrong way here. I am not dissing Honda engines per se. I happen to like them. Though I will say that a Nissan engine will always put out better torque numbers. I will say that we are comparing apples to orange's . The F20 S2000 engine is a modern engine . KA's are older technology. Nissan actually Has higher HP NA aspirated engines out now. Take for instance the SR20VE Neo 200HP 185ft lbs of torque. Higher torque than the Honda. Now see my point is I think its useless to take the expense of the Honda engine and drop it in the 240sx chassis given the cheaper priced engines(SR20DET) we have that will drop right in and give out higher torque and HP numbers with some bolt ons. Granted its turbo but its also a much easier swap and install . Hell drop a RB in get much bigger numbers than the Honda engine.
I just feel Nissans has good engines that are easier to install in our cars that makes the whole concept of putting a rotary or a Honda engine a novelty but not pratical.