Anyone w/SARD radiator??

[Shawn_of_the_Dead]

Sard Radiator?? Anyone got one? I am looking into the possiblities for cooling on my S13 and found this one for a SR20DET. It looks like it is about the same size as stock though. If you have it please let me know how you like it, how it's holding up, and how long you have had it. Also, if your car is stock or modded.

SARD RADIATOR HERE (http://www.autornd.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=9_46_118_10395_10513&products_id=6192&osCsid=c43ed526bacd9370a0ae0b51ae58062b)

[orion::S14]

Koyo copper is a better buy, and probably just as good.

- Brian

[420sx]

why not just get a koyo?? u gonna pay for brand name... Sard stuff is nice but sorta expensive. if its tripple core then its worth it

[Shawn_of_the_Dead]

The reason is that the Koyo has gotten several bad reviews from people I have talked to. I dont want something that is gonna rust up over time, or not gonna cool effectively. Believe me, if I could count on the koyo to not have any problems I would go with it. It is alot cheaper than any of the ones I have found. Just FYI....this sard is on average about 300 cheaper than the others I have looked at for the same application.

[Ian]

SARD is one of the top of the line for racing parts. I highly reccomend pretty much all of the SARD lineup personally. I've done alot of reasearch into them as i do sell them.

[atom]

The reason is that the Koyo has gotten several bad reviews from people I have talked to. I dont want something that is gonna rust up over time, or not gonna cool effectively. Believe me, if I could count on the koyo to not have any problems I would go with it. It is alot cheaper than any of the ones I have found. Just FYI....this sard is on average about 300 cheaper than the others I have looked at for the same application.

The sard is also brass where other brands are aluminum. A sard aluminum radiator is just as expensive as ARC, blitz, etc.

[Shawn_of_the_Dead]

true...didn't think about that. What about griffin? Anyone got feedback for it?

[Flybert]

The reason is that the Koyo has gotten several bad reviews from people I have talked to. I dont want something that is gonna rust up over time, or not gonna cool effectively. Believe me, if I could count on the koyo to not have any problems I would go with it. It is alot cheaper than any of the ones I have found. Just FYI....this sard is on average about 300 cheaper than the others I have looked at for the same application.

How is an aluminum Koyo going to rust? My friends and I all use koyos at the track and they all work AWESOME. Koyo Aluminum is the best buy out there. Even the radiator test on FA showed that it kicks ass.

The SARD is probably higher quality and probably works just as good but I really don't think it's worth the extra amount of money.

[Shawn_of_the_Dead]

I dont think all the people I have been talking to had the Koyo Aluminum....probably the copper/brass...whatever. I just stopped looking into koyo after people were all bashing and saying that is doesn't cool any better than the stock, and is prone to rust. I immediately started to look at other options. I will cruise through FA and see what I can dig up. Just a few questions for ya though. How long have you been running your koyo? What mixture are you using? How hot is your average driving temp (normal vs. aggressive)? I just dont wanna get something and then find out it sucks.

[Ian]

i've got a Koyo w/ altima fans that are on w/ ignition
i use the pre-mixed 50-50 shit from advance auto parts (never really thought about changing it up at all)

i dont run hot at all w/ the altima fans, had a few issues w/ the clutch fan w/ no shroud though.

my driving conditions (drift events) are VERY hot...generally in the 6000+rpm range quite a bit lol

[go240]

koyo aluminum is a really great radiator imo

[Shawn_of_the_Dead]

i've got a Koyo w/ altima fans that are on w/ ignition
i use the pre-mixed 50-50 shit from advance auto parts (never really thought about changing it up at all)

i dont run hot at all w/ the altima fans, had a few issues w/ the clutch fan w/ no shroud though.

my driving conditions (drift events) are VERY hot...generally in the 6000+rpm range quite a bit lol


So if I am reading correctly....you dont run hot at all, and at drift events you drive the crap outta it and it still doesn't run hot?

[drift freaq]

one name , Griffin! Its superior to the koyo. I have personel experience here. This is a repost of something I wrote in another thread.

Yes they are Aluminum.
Griffin has recently decided to get into imports. Taka from Drift Association did a side by side install comparision at the track with a Koyo and a Griffin.
The results were the Griffin operated at 10 degrees less Farenheit compared to the Koyo. The Koyo would also heat soak after a 20 minute spirited session. The Griffin did not.
I had a KA Koyo that I purchased for my RB25 project. In initial shakedown running in city traffic we observed 100 degree celcius readings from the Koyo on the Apexi FC Commander for my PowerFC. I then went out and picked up a Griffin for the S13 KA . We installed it and noticed a ten degree farenheit difference in around town city stop and go traffic as well as under short boost runs in comparision to the Koyo. The Griffin also did not heat soak and yes the Koyo did.
The Griffin is actually thinner than the Koyo overall, but the secret lies in the fact that the Griffins fins dissapate heat much better than the Koyo . The Koyo has to many fins to close together, hence the heat soak.
Overall, for the extra $100 some odd dollars the Griffin may cost over the blow out prices on Koyo's people are seeing these days is well worth it.
Dave

P.S., Since I do know where to get these, I am considering doing a group buy on them. I will also try to get a pic up soon of one, so you guys can see how nice they look as well as perform.

[Shawn_of_the_Dead]

If you do a group buy I am in!! Anyway you could ship as payed for though, and not have to wait for the GB to end? I need it yesterday. I will be swapping in about 2 weeks.

[Flybert]

I stand by my Koyo. I have my FMIC located in the AC condenser location right in front of my Koyo and normal driving temps get up to 82 degrees Celsius. After 3 repeated drift runs in 95 degree weather, I've gotten up to 95 degrees celsius. On high speed track driving in 100 degree weather, my temps went up to 93. On 80-85 degree drift events, I hit 92 max after runs. My setup isn't even ducted and those are some good numbers for the type of weather I was driving in. I just started the process of ducting my setup and I know it's going to work even better.

[.::SR20_240::.]

i have had my koyo for about 2 years and i love it never had any probs.

[TheWolf]

Also there is much mention about temps of street cars on track/drift events. Real racecars don't run thermostats. They usually run a restrictor on the upper radiator hose. The koyo or griffen or sard should be fully sufficent if the thermostat was replaced with a restrictor.

[drift freaq]

Also there is much mention about temps of street cars on track/drift events. Real racecars don't run thermostats. They usually run a restrictor on the upper radiator hose. The koyo or griffen or sard should be fully sufficent if the thermostat was replaced with a restrictor.

Thats because, if you took time to think, you would realize most people here use there car in a dual situation, i.e. street driving as well as some track time.
Plus, it does not change the fact, that overall the Koyo is a poorly built, cheap radiator and though it may work for some it is not ideal.
There are better radiators out there, of which both the Griffin and Sard fall into that catagory. The Griffin being less expensive than the Sard because its not imported.

[420sx]

lol poorly built? wtf you talking about

[drift freaq]

lol poorly built? wtf you talking about
Koyo's are currently in recall for cracking due to bad welds. Also fins are to close together causing heat soak, which is a tested and proved fact. Now while they may work for you, fact is you have to throw a lot of cooling fans at them to keep them from even getting hot under harsh conditions. Hell even Richard Tang popped a SR on the way back from Willow springs a couple of years ago from overheating after a track session. Guess what radiator he was running? A Koyo Aluminum.
Like I said , you may be happy, but it does not change the facts. Its a piece of crap. IMHO . I will stick with a radiator I have seen better results with . Engine cooling is not something to make a mistake on.

[EchoOfSilence]

Also there is much mention about temps of street cars on track/drift events. Real racecars don't run thermostats. They usually run a restrictor on the upper radiator hose. The koyo or griffen or sard should be fully sufficent if the thermostat was replaced with a restrictor.
that's application specific. most of our cars are daily driven, and need to have a thermostat for biasing and initial warm-up. Jeez, we don't drive fully built cars on the street

[Shawn_of_the_Dead]

anyone ever find a place to get a Griffin and pricing on it?

Drift Freaq??

[FRpilot]

i was wondering if you still plan to do a group buy for the griffen radiators. any more info on them?

[Dousan_PG]

street and track car
koyo no problems

i run a aftermarket thermo, clutch fan (with shroud--duh)
at track i saw no higher then 95 C
ono street, 75c
i run a aftermarket water temp guage (sensor located in upper rad hose)
and a billion aftermarket thermo


right now though, my fluidyne is in, sees same type of temps (its a 3core or whatever radiator)
koyo is out becuase my damn shroud wasnt bolted in right/vibrated against koyo and i gave some leak action, ill get the koyo fixed ..one day

[RaidenKing]

I run a koyo, does what its supposed to, never had a problem with my constant abuse. What more is there to say about that?