Good coilovers for S13?

[240SX21]

hey guys.  well i just got my kyb shocks in, so i figure i might as well get springs/coilovers to save money on installation.  i would prefer to get coilovers, but i dont know of any affordable ones that are good quality.  the only coilovers for the S13 that I know of are arospeed & junk like that.  if i cant find coilovers ill just go with the eibach lowering springs, but if anyone knows of any good decent priced coilovers please post.  thanks!

[DSC]

These are supposed to be really good. Eibach makes their springs. <a href="http://www.ground-control.com" target='_blank'>http://www.ground-control.com</a>

[SR20Fastback]

Ive heard good things about Top Secret, but I dont have a site

[adey]

I have heard many good experiences with the Tein type HA, I've heard at leats one good comment about Cusco coilovers (don't know which type though) ... Most people I think go with springs/shocks just because they're cheaper and still offer, in most/some cases, dampening adjustability.

[rotaryknight]

If you already bought KYB then you are looking for springs not coilovers. &nbsp;

If you are actually concerend about performance then you should be looking at complete coilover systems like TEIN, Tanabe, HKS, Cusco or Apex'i.

Aerospeed is a cheap company....remember true systems have the dampening and spring rates all figured out as a system. &nbsp;What you are doing with coilover sleeves is just buying for looks.

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 04 2002,8:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you already bought KYB then you are looking for springs not coilovers.

If you are actually concerend about performance then you should be looking at complete coilover systems like TEIN, Tanabe, HKS, Cusco or Apex'i.

Aerospeed is a cheap company....remember true systems have the dampening and spring rates all figured out as a system. What you are doing with coilover sleeves is just buying for looks.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Actually ground controll recommends certian shocks that work well with their "coilovers" (springs with adjustable collar)
You can also order custom spring rates based on the application (race, drag, daily driver, ect) and they use eibach springs.

"If you are actually concerend about performance then you should be looking at complete coilover systems..."

I wouldn't go that far...There are plenty of people very concerned with performance who simply can't spend the money on something like that. &nbsp;Adjustable dampeners with good springs is the cheap(er) alternative that will offer great performance over stock, just not as good as a full system for 2-3x as much money.

[rotaryknight]

I agree that the Ground Control are a good option. &nbsp;Of any non-coilover alternatives this is the only one i feel is worth the money. &nbsp;Plust the fact that Eibach does make their springs is another plus.

Ok maybe I was harsh on the performance comment but it really irks me to see companies that try to sell their "coilover sleeves" with a promise of performance. &nbsp;In all honesty just springs and shock would perform better than these "coilover" sleeves out there.

I'll be selling my temporary suspension as soon as my Tanabe Coilovers come in...if anyone is interested they are about 3 weeks old and consisit of HKS Adjustable Pillow Ball Mounts, HKS Springs and Tokicos (just the regualr blues).

The pillows retail for 375.00 front and 285.00 rear, the springs retail for 445.00 and the Tokicos for about 450.00

I'll sell everything for $800.00 if anyone wants it. &nbsp;It's not the best suspension but it's a lot for what i'm selling them for.

[sKyLiNeR]

there was a GB going on on this board you might check it out
i think its about the tein coilovers
check it out before ur to late. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[240meowth]

i've heard ground control can get to be a real pain in the ass, 'cause it's on the stiff side...

[Yoshi]

Facts and Fiction: Ground Control Coils

okay Fiction, "i've heard ground control can get to be a real pain in the ass, 'cause it's on the stiff side..."
Ground Control can get your any spring rate you'd like in 10lb increments... so your ride quality is completely up to you.

More Fiction, "What you are doing with coilover sleeves is just buying for looks."
This is kind of a loaded question... if you get a low spring rate, then yes, just looks, but the same could be said of low quality (low spring rate) springs that are very short (ie just for lowering). &nbsp;GC sleeves give you the option of doing corner wieghing, height adjustment AND, if you really wanted to, changing out springs with little less effort (no special tools besides a ratchet and a 17mm socket)

HOWEVER, regardless of what sleeve/coil system you get, you WILL have to do some cutting and grinding to get them on. &nbsp;You should read that as, "Be prepared to void your warrantee". &nbsp;You will have to cut off all spring perches (and yes, that's a bitch on the front) and be careful not to damage any existing welds or the marr the body of the shock and shaft in the process (which is not as easy as it sounds). &nbsp;Then paint them (you have exposed metal that can rust) and assemble. &nbsp;Put them on the car and you're halfway there... next you have to CAREFULLY measure your loaded weight, and set individual heights on your collars to make sure you have even ride height (or corner weigh and adjust if that's your thing)... then get your alignment done. &nbsp;

All that verbal diarhea I just spewed was a summarized synopsis of my past week or so... so as someone who's been through the process, if that's what you want, that's the work involved (or you could cheat and have a shop do it for ya).

Yoshi's phrase for this project, "the cutting torch is my new best friend".

[240SX21]

thanks fellas, i can always count on you guys for good advice <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>
ill have to give it some more thought, buy ill probably either go with the ground control coilovers or just the eibach pro-kit loweing springs.

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ May 05 2002,7:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">More Fiction, "What you are doing with coilover sleeves is just buying for looks."
This is kind of a loaded question... if you get a low spring rate, then yes, just looks, but the same could be said of low quality (low spring rate) springs that are very short (ie just for lowering). GC sleeves give you the option of doing corner wieghing, height adjustment AND, if you really wanted to, changing out springs with little less effort (no special tools besides a ratchet and a 17mm socket)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Agreed BUT how many companies besides GC are actually peformance based. &nbsp;My point is the 90% of the sleeve out there are for looks....and about 80% of the people who buy they are doing it to just slam thier cars. &nbsp;Then they go around telling people that they have a "coilover" suspension.

Corner weighing is great and I had it done on my FD but for most people who don't have access to the equiptment needed it's something that will never happen.

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 05 2002,04:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Then they go around telling people that they have a "coilover" suspension.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well, technically, we all do <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>

[drift freaq]

so Yoshi, &nbsp;how do you like your Ground Control AGX setup?? I have AGX's on my car right now with HKS super sport springs. I either want to go full Ground Control down the road or run Tein HA's though I am leaning towards the GC's.

thanks

Dave

[Yoshi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rotaryknight @ May 05 2002,03:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Agreed BUT how many companies besides GC are actually peformance based. My point is the 90% of the sleeve out there are for looks....and about 80% of the people who buy they are doing it to just slam thier cars. Then they go around telling people that they have a "coilover" suspension.

Corner weighing is great and I had it done on my FD but for most people who don't have access to the equiptment needed it's something that will never happen.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I agree with your completely, but it's a case of much ado about nothing... the ricers ARE going to claim they have "coilovers", even if they only have stupid VIS sleeves on maybe just the front... nothing we can do about it, in the end, the one's it hurts most is Ground Control for being one of the only performance minded companies. I know few people do/or plan to do corner weighting on their cars, but there are more reasons than just that (some of which I listed), to go with GC's.

[Yoshi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drift freaq @ May 05 2002,1:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">so Yoshi, how do you like your Ground Control AGX setup?? I have AGX's on my car right now with HKS super sport springs. I either want to go full Ground Control down the road or run Tein HA's though I am leaning towards the GC's.

thanks

Dave</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Dave,
I went AGX/GC because I felt it would give the best performance gain for my dollar, as I wanted to save $ for my break upgrade, and the venerable SR. &nbsp;I think I REALLY like my suspension because A) the improvement in handling is nothing short of phenomenal, and B) it required A LOT of custom-type stuff to do it myself... that's a double edged sword... in so doing, I voided my AGX's warrantee, and if I had screwed up, it would have been an expensive mistake... at the same time, I find that i got Enormous personal satisfaction from having done it myself (I replaced my TC rods and got new poly-bushing at the same time, also STBs)

but as far as Tein HA's or GC's... I htink if did it all again and had no money issues, I'd probably go with the Teins <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[dksil80]

Im thinking the same thing... my s13 is sitting on kyb and tien s tech... but not much of a drop. I got this set up for real xhwap used... so im gonna roll with a big wheel gap for a while.. and get some coilovers..

Ive heard stance coilovers give u a really comfy ride... and one sitting on some stance coils?

[xoxide]

Did you really bump an 11 year old thread to ask a question you couldve found by simply searching the forum?

[pyshin]

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[Rich260z]

I'm surprised at the lack of flame in the beginning of this 11yr old forum. Must have been a time when there weren't a ton of assholes and info on Zilvia haha.

[enkei2k]

necro bump of the decade

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