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smily_vigor

10-04-2005, 05:02 AM

^^^^ My thoughts exactly. If you want to keep the Silvia name then bring back the essence of the car, RWD baby. Don't be like GM and bring back the Impala, Monte Carlo and Malibu and then stick V6's in them and make then front wheel drive. It's takes away all that the car originally was. It would be good for them to have a 4wd car to go against the EVO and STI and upcomming Mazdaspeed 6 but like he said above me, don't call it the Silvia.

mr_240sx

10-04-2005, 05:36 AM

D1champ

10-04-2005, 08:13 AM

A Silvia should only be RWD!

pwave16

10-04-2005, 09:24 AM

While I am excited about the possibility of a affordable 2door sports coupe from Nissan and AWD in itself is pretty intriguing, I have to agree with all the above and plead for it not to carry the Silvia name. :nono:

BUT, just a quick question for all - the article said they may revive the 240sx name for the car in the U.S. - any thoughts on that? MPO is much the same as with the Silvia name just wanted to see what others thought.

aznpoopy

10-04-2005, 09:30 AM

sx possibly, 240 no. name will be based on the displacement, no doubt.

pwave16

10-04-2005, 09:35 AM

Correct. Don't know how I did not think of displacement. Oh well, you get the drift of what I am asking. Do any have problem with it being associated to the previous S-chassis cars?

Also, Aznpoopy, HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!! :D :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:

ThatGuy

10-04-2005, 09:46 AM

What chassis should it belong with? Sentra (B)Chassis incorporated the FWD and AWD models, and the Skyline (R)Chassis incorporated the RWD and AWD models. Just something to consider.

Ian

10-04-2005, 09:47 AM

aznpoopy

10-04-2005, 09:51 AM

Correct. Don't know how I did not think of displacement. Oh well, you get the drift of what I am asking. Do any have problem with it being associated to the previous S-chassis cars?

im not thrilled about the idea of an awd silvia, but nissan can do whatever it wants to make money. i'm sure most of us 240sx people won't be picking one up brand new, anyway.

Also, Aznpoopy, HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!! :D :w00t: :w00t: :w00t:

lmao... thanks. don't know how you knew that...

racer98

10-04-2005, 10:06 AM

just bring it back on a detuned VQ motor and RWD.

OptionZero

10-04-2005, 10:10 AM

I doubt it will carry the SX name. It wouldn't fit into the Nissan naming convention: Altima, Maxima, Murano, Sentra, Versa, etc. The 350Z is an exception because it's selling on the Z heritage.

the SX line has no heritage, at least not one you can bank on.

As for AWD, i'm not totally against it. It'll be wierd to call it a Silvia, but hey, if they sell it in the U.S. as the Silvia, it might gain a sales boost amongst the target demographic, assuming it is priced to sell with the sub 23K price tag and aimed at the teenager/college student crowd who drive RSX's and WRX's.

More important is what engine it will use:
The current QR isn't turbo'd in the U.S., and I don't know how a n/a 4WD car will fare.
Also important is how the AWD is set up...fulltime power going to all 4 wheels? Or will it vary? the EVO and STi/I are awd, and they can handle (note: not the same as regular WRX), because they have freakin 3 diffs (helical, active, clutch, shiit). Will this AWD system be designed from scratch as a general market one, or a performance derivative of ATTESSA in the GT-R?

drift freaq

10-04-2005, 10:39 AM

well you have to remember the SX in america has little to no connection to the S-Chassis. You have to remember that here, there was a 200sx (sentra variant i assume, never looked too hard into how they differed)

so if they were to name it the 300sx(assuming it has a 3L v6) or whatever, it wouldnt really make a difference. I doubt they would do that though, judging by the types of names they have been coming out with, I think that they're trying to steer away from a boring, cheap sounding names like: 200sx, 240sx, 300zx...

Look at the newer names in the current lineup: Z, Armada, Titan, Murano, Xterra, and the new Versa scheduled for launch in 2007 model year.

and yeah, if you look on nissanusa.com the 350z is simply titled Z now
eh, first off, The Silvia in the U.S. and Europe has always been known as the 200sx, until 1989 in the U.S. when it became the 240sx. It still remained named a 200sx. Also Nissan USA loves tagging names to engine size. Don't think Nissan USA is not looking at the current 240sx drift trend and thinking a bit.

Ok , second off that persons article is based solely on seeing concept mockups at Autoshows. The likelyhood of the car being 4wd at this point is pure speculation.
I have a Japanese car magazine ad with the Silvia GTO in it. Complete with talk of the 240sx in the U.S. and a American powerplant as well as the Japanese Powerplant. It also states FF in the add and says late 2005 for domestic market aka Japan. Fact is again the first Japanese ads for the G35/Skyline said FF as well.
Thats guys website basically speculates on A: what he wants and B: what he has seen at Autoshows.
Anyone who knows anything about autoshows knows concept cars go throw a ton of revisions and design change if they ever see the production mode and most do not.
While Nissan may consider offering a 4wd car because they have in that catagory in the past with the Bluebird do not doubt that they are concious of the RWD concept as well. I would say the Jury is out at this time, in otherwords lips are sealed . Period!!

P.S. the car in the ad did look like it was based on the current z chassis scaled down. Which would make a lot of sense from a cost perspective. Ghosn is big on keeping costs down too.

WILDACEX187

10-04-2005, 10:41 AM

i think this whole article is bogus. i heard some guy on this forum say that nissan is developing a new silvia (or something along the lines) but in a smaller z33 platform. heres the thread http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=90032&highlight=renault . i rather believe that the azeal was just a concept and nothing more and that they WILL be coming out with something rwd and 4cyl.

Silverbullet

10-04-2005, 11:20 AM

its also futuristic looking... i hate new cars.

SimpleSexy180

10-04-2005, 11:27 AM

i thought it was a picture from dub magazine for a second

OptionZero

10-04-2005, 11:29 AM

Yeah, we've had 200sx and 240sx. Hooray - none of those have historical value, and none of them were spectacular sellers. The Z name goes through the 300z, 300zx, 240z, 280z, all the way to Datsun.

As for engine size/numbers, that may have been true in the past, but outside of the 350Z, none of the NISSANS do it- they reserve alpha/numerica designations in the name for the Infiniti line to differentiaate the luxury brand from the mainstream brand : G35, Q45, FX35/45, M45, etc. Ditto for Lexus, Acura, BMW, MB, Audi...it's just the thing to do...for LUXURY brands.

Engine size is used in trim levels: Altima 2.5, Altima 3.5, blah blah, and sometimes not even then: SE-R.

And ...you're right. Article's probably bogus, i'll believe an entry level AWD car from nissan when it's on the lot in front of me. It seems like a waste of money developing a brand new AWD system, and ATTESSA is excessive/expensive for an entry level car.

sblack13

10-04-2005, 12:27 PM

its also futuristic looking... i hate new cars.
true, if its front wheel drive i'm nothing buying it. But theres something about rwd that makes it better than awd for some reason.

WILDACEX187

10-04-2005, 01:08 PM

eh, first off, The Silvia in the U.S. and Europe has always been known as the 200sx, until 1989 in the U.S. when it became the 240sx. It still remained named a 200sx. Also Nissan USA loves tagging names to engine size. Don't think Nissan USA is not looking at the current 240sx drift trend and thinking a bit.

Ok , second off that persons article is based solely on seeing concept mockups at Autoshows. The likelyhood of the car being 4wd at this point is pure speculation.
I have a Japanese car magazine ad with the Silvia GTO in it. Complete with talk of the 240sx in the U.S. and a American powerplant as well as the Japanese Powerplant. It also states FF in the add and says late 2005 for domestic market aka Japan. Fact is again the first Japanese ads for the G35/Skyline said FF as well.
Thats guys website basically speculates on A: what he wants and B: what he has seen at Autoshows.
Anyone who knows anything about autoshows knows concept cars go throw a ton of revisions and design change if they ever see the production mode and most do not.
While Nissan may consider offering a 4wd car because they have in that catagory in the past with the Bluebird do not doubt that they are concious of the RWD concept as well. I would say the Jury is out at this time, in otherwords lips are sealed . Period!!

P.S. the car in the ad did look like it was based on the current z chassis scaled down. Which would make a lot of sense from a cost perspective. Ghosn is big on keeping costs down too.

can u scan the pic of said car plz?

drift freaq

10-04-2005, 01:30 PM

can u scan the pic of said car plz?
first I will have to dig the ad back up, my Japanese auto body man ripped it out of the mag for me so its somewhere in a pile of stuff now. It was in my car for the longest time.
I have known about the Japanese Silvia for about 3 months now. I just don't post about it, because there has been a lot of info on the net as well, and I am not talking about what the guy on that site was speculating on. The car in the ad had the look of a baby 350Z with a grill front end. It was an official Nissan ad as well. It was not a set in final rendition of the exterior though. There was a lot of info in Japanese about the engines though. One engine was a new 2 liter for Japan, a MR20DE and the other was and you guys are going to hate this, for the U.S. a QR25DE. They were definitely trying to prime the Japanese public though for the release of the car.

turbo_lover

10-04-2005, 01:33 PM

(first post) Guys, guys. dont get so ancy about it. I want you all to think REAL hard whats been going on from the last 1-5 years.

Dodge Charger - was a fast back blah blah blah. A nice muscle car
NOW - a family sedan. period.

Chevy Monte Carlo SS - was a nice sleek looking muscle car ALSO.
FWD. Need i say more?

Honda Civic - Their civics were AWESOME looking. the years 89-00 Now, they've gone to sh*t. like the 2006

Mazda - RX7 turbo 2 door sports car. RX8 is a N/A 4 door, still sports car

Mitsubishi and Subaru know how to make a car. Come o think of it, Suabru's new WRX looks very badly also.

:faint:

----

Im afraid nissan is the only one left. Yes, it sucks to see Nissan trying to bring a legend back into a typical 4WD car. The S15 supposedly was the last of the silvia's . Like a tribute to all the legendary silvias from the past.(More HP, Sleek styling,better suspension, etc)

These days, car designers are making sketches from thier a$$ holes. :-/

ZX88

10-04-2005, 01:52 PM

no NONONONO 4wd

:mephfawk:

why would they do this dont they see how popular there rwd cars arenow

aznpoopy

10-04-2005, 02:24 PM

Im afraid nissan is the only one left. Yes, it sucks to see Nissan trying to bring a legend back into a typical 4WD car. The S15 supposedly was the last of the silvia's . Like a tribute to all the legendary silvias from the past.(More HP, Sleek styling,better suspension, etc)

These days, car designers are making sketches from thier a$$ holes. :-/

a legend?

its got a little heritage... but calling it 'legend' is reaaaally stretching it.

WILDACEX187

10-04-2005, 02:44 PM

^^wat car do u consider a legend then?

Angel

10-04-2005, 02:54 PM

^^wat car do u consider a legend then?

Can't speak for him.... corvette, cobra ( as in shelby's ), porsche, ferrari etc.

OptionZero

10-04-2005, 03:47 PM

Acura has a legend. Too bad it's FWD and dead...unless you count the RL.

NismoSilvia270R

10-04-2005, 03:54 PM

What chassis should it belong with? Sentra (B)Chassis incorporated the FWD and AWD models, and the Skyline (R)Chassis incorporated the RWD and AWD models. Just something to consider.
i agree. i was just about to say 'itd be cool if they had a rwd base model'

slide_or_die

10-04-2005, 05:50 PM

4WD on a slivia??????
HELL NO! that would be kinda mix of skyline and silvia, no?

!Zar!

10-04-2005, 06:24 PM

Nissan making another silvia +1
Nissan making it awd -1
All in all they should let it rest. IMO there is no need for a car company to make a car just for kids to purchace and drift. Being as how the drift market is teens and early adults, that same market group is either in college or having some other form of finantial woes. So for a company to produce a car for drifting who is supposed to purchace it? I mean new car that someone is going to drift and most likely crash in a craze that is not known how soon if ever it will end. Remember, it's easier said than done.

MakotoS13

10-04-2005, 06:42 PM

you guys are retarded.

pontiac, saturn, and mazda all make roadsters that are RWD and 4 cyl. nissan might see a market there and take advantage of it since the Z starts at like 27K and the sentra SER spec V is the runner up leaving a sizeable gap in price.

whatever, if they bring it back it'll look similar to the Z and will undoubtedly play on how popular the silvia is among JDM fags and drift whores. i don't care, i prolly wont be buying it anyhow.

exitspeed

10-04-2005, 06:58 PM

I find all this and that article just a little hollow. That whole article is just based off of basic observation of the industry. I could have written (though spelled everything wrong) the same article and convinced you better that Nissan was going to bring back the Silvia. Incase many of you have not noticed the industry has a shift (excuse the pun) going back towards RWD cars as of the last 3-4 years. The only company really not jumping on that wagon is Honda/Acura. Nissan though seems to be committed to it. Personally the odds of us seeing a new multi-national RWD sporty car that resembles anything of a Silvia are slim to none unfortunately. It would be very difficult to price a car like this with the 350z priced were it is. The last thing Nissan would want to do at this point is to cut into 350z sales. It is such a barging for them to produce this car because of it being on such an awesome platform. Now if they were to do a lesser expensive RWD platform they would have to have just as many models or at least half that would share the platform to make it near cost efficient.

Disagree with me if you like. But if your gonna hold your breath for this, I'm gonna call you Mr. Blue.

Now if something else is debuted this year at the Auto Show rounds that is solid, not this Azeal crap which was nothing more then an attempt to see if people would like the LOOK of a sporty car that resembled a Quest, then I'll be just as excited.

drift freaq

10-04-2005, 07:17 PM

The damn funny thing that gets me is, I post some facts, that totally blow the web page speculation crap about 4wd out of the water and you guys are still hung up on the AWD thing.
Also if you read the last part of my posts I stated that at this time all of this is speculation based on the few tidbits of information that Nissan has put out in the marketplace.
The fact is yes Nissan is resurrecting the Silvia nameplate in Japan!! As for the platform it will be FF FR or AWD the only official announcement in a Japanese Magazine said FF. Again I followed that statement up with the fact that Nissan had done the same kind of Ads with the FF mention for the G35/Skyline before it was released. Guess what it came out RWD!!!
Now , I bet ten to one, if I told all you that behind the door to the left was a brand new Silvia, you would all step through it and over a cliff. ahahahahahahahaha :rofl:
Get a clue people your argueing about something you know nothing about!! Until it is officially unveiled or Nissan leaks more real info.
There really is nothing to talk about . Concept cars do not make the basis for real world production cars 98% of the time. Nissan is not Chrsyler i.e. bring a Concept car straight to production.

exitspeed

10-04-2005, 07:20 PM

Get a clue people your argueing about something you know nothing about!! Until it is officially unveiled or Nissan leaks more real info.
There really is nothing to talk about . Concept cars do not make the basis for real world production cars 98% of the time. Nissan is not Chrsyler i.e. bring a Concept car straight to production.

Exactly what I was saying...

fishsauce

10-04-2005, 08:34 PM

SW20Racer

10-04-2005, 08:49 PM

even if it DID come out awd you're talking like you couldnt disable the awd which has been done on skylines for years and ppl have been oding to their wrx's lately

MakotoS13

10-04-2005, 09:17 PM

why wait for nissan when you can wait for this http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshow/articles/100916/page044.html

edit: forgot to mention that this car (if they build it) will be the basis for the next tiburon which will be rwd in 2009.

if the current tibby were RWD i would own one. it LOOKS like a RWD car (ahem, supra). they ALMOST got it... so fuggin warm.

infinitexsound

10-04-2005, 11:53 PM

a legend would be revising the 510..... that car reminds me of a 06 camry.... im more for the long sleek look... but i dont mind that body style as long as they strech it out and keep the FR setup... a 4wd is nice also... why not just do both since they did it for the skylines also... ive seen the new civic 5lug in action tho. racing wise.... it was slow.. looked nice tho

drift freaq

10-05-2005, 12:16 AM

why wait for nissan when you can wait for this http://www.edmunds.com/news/autoshow/articles/100916/page044.html

edit: forgot to mention that this car (if they build it) will be the basis for the next tiburon which will be rwd in 2009.
Sorry, but I buy sports cars from companies that make, or know how to make
Sports cars. Hyundai is definitely not in that catagory, nor have they ever been. That car does nothing for me as well.

fishsauce

10-05-2005, 02:16 AM

Sorry, but I buy sports cars from companies that make, or know how to make
Sports cars. Hyundai is definitely not in that catagory, nor have they ever been. That car does nothing for me as well.

This is close enough for me http://www.kahbintang.com/Accent_WRC.htm

Hyundai motor corp is growing fast. I wouldn't be suprised if the 2009 tibby is a great performer. But then again, I just like having choices. The more cheap, low-weight, rwd coupes there are the better.

Well enough about Hyundai. lets get back on topic. Bottom line: silvia = rwd coupe. silvia != awd or fwd coupe. I hope it does come back because, again, more choices.

Sidewrds

10-05-2005, 08:03 AM

Kinda fugly too far from the Silvia's of today. Plus AWD I think I'll stick with my kouki

WanganRunner

10-05-2005, 01:11 PM

With the upcoming '07 Z redesign, Nissan will likely release a 4cyl, turbocharged "250Z", which will share the same RWD platform as the entire '07 Z lineup. Thus, the RWD coupe niche will already be filled. I'm all for a turbocharged, 4cyl AWD Nissan to compete with the Impreza and Evo.

Besides, I'm sure people raised cain when the first AWD Skyline was released, that car had a much longer RWD heritage than the Silvia ever did, but that little experiment turned out okay, right? Nissan is very much headed in the right direction right now, they are by far the most performance-minded of the big Japanese car companies at present. I don't think they'll do us wrong on this one. I just want them to build cars I'd like to buy, I don't particularly care which is named what.

MakotoS13

10-05-2005, 01:26 PM

AWD turbo charged 4 banger is NOT cost effective for nissan. they will not do it and if thye do it'll be like 30K.

Z redesign?!

exitspeed

10-05-2005, 03:34 PM

atom

10-05-2005, 04:12 PM

From a marketing perspective, it doesn't make sense to develop an AWD car cheaper than the Z because to the unwashed masses AWD > RWD. If the next Silvia were AWD then:

New Silvia = AWD
Z Car = RWD
New GT-R = AWD

The Z would then be the odd car out and that wouldn't be good for sales.

EchoOfSilence

10-05-2005, 04:20 PM

WILDACEX187

10-05-2005, 04:20 PM

Besides, I'm sure people raised cain when the first AWD Skyline was released, that car had a much longer RWD heritage than the Silvia ever did, but that little experiment turned out okay, right? Nissan is very much headed in the right direction right now, they are by far the most performance-minded of the big Japanese car companies at present. I don't think they'll do us wrong on this one. I just want them to build cars I'd like to buy, I don't particularly care which is named what.

the ATTESSA system found in the gt-r's of today are very much still rwd biased. i think that when the car has full traction u can make the car completly rwd by the way of a little dial near the steering wheel. if not completly rwd than only 10% in the front. with that the gtr still handle much like rwd cars while still having the traction of a awd.

OptionZero

10-05-2005, 04:34 PM

it varies by generation I think...IIRC the BNR34 is 100% (or 90?) until the rear loses traction then it starts sending torque every which way

borohingacoupe

10-05-2005, 04:39 PM

Looks like the Scion tC and new Civic Si humped and made that thing. But I didn't like the 350z when I first saw pics of it too. Definetly needs to be RWD if they are going to call it a Silvia.

fliprayzin240sx

10-06-2005, 03:22 AM

If they bring this car awd with roughly 250hp to fill the gap between the sentra v-spec and Z33 then it might sell. Just dont expect it to compete in the same category as the other AWD 4-banger like the STI or Evo. Itll compete with a WRX thats for sure, give Acura/Honda a run for their money too as far as the RSX and maybe the next gen SI. Theres a decent amount of competetion in the 20k-26k bracket.

WanganRunner

10-06-2005, 06:44 AM

Were did you come up with that. That will NOT happen...It's a nice thought though.

I don't work for Nissan or anything, but I have all that from as reliable a source as I could ever possibly concieve of. Nothing's final till it happens, just like with anything else, but I feel fairly confident about this one, plus or minus some details.

I mean, think about it, as was mentioned earlier, developing a new RWD platform is EXPENSIVE. When you develop a new one (a la 350Z) you want to leverage that investment as much as possible, hence all the different versions of the present Z. They're not nearly different enough though, they sort of just end up competing with each other, so wouldn't it make more sense to have a wider spread to the lineup? As I last heard it, it was 250Z (turbo 4), something akin to the present 350Z more or less, and a $42-45K-ish TT or Supercharged model. The GT-R will enter closer to the $60-70k price point, so it still wouldn't compete with the GT-R.

SilviaNinja240

10-06-2005, 06:57 AM

I'm confused..
why exactly do people hate 4WD so much?

Angel

10-06-2005, 07:28 AM

I'm confused..
why exactly do people hate 4WD so much?

Because the vast majority of awd cars handle much like a fwd. The main exception being the skyline gtr's. That's about the only awd car I could see myself owning and even then I don't know that I could have it as my sole car. I have driven an R33 GTR and it does behave much like a very well sorted rwd car, you wack the throttle in second around a corner and it steps right out and you can hold it there very easily. Most awd's when doing the same would just plow on through the corner ( evo's and sti's are ok but still need work ). It's also very easy to launch the GTR, just revving to about 7k and dumping theclutch will get you a respectable 60' with a bpu type setup. The wheels just spin for a few turns and you are out.

infinitexsound

10-06-2005, 11:41 PM

actually, i consider Mazda the most performance-oriented japanese car company at the moment.

very true MAZDA has more of a racing involvement then nissan and toyota.. or even honda...but nissan is still there... just not as much...

elphkotm

10-07-2005, 09:39 AM

But FR platforms are very costly to develop and build so in order to maintain driver satisfaction, a front wheel drive based 4WD platform is the best compromise to keep costs down and ensure the all important driver satisfaction… even though most buyers will want a rear wheel drive platform.

This is so wrong it hurts. FR platforms are cheap compared to AWD. Just think about it. A high-performance AWD car has so many more breaking points, a more complicated transmission, more complicated drive assemblies, etc. While it's true that it's more expensive R&D-wise to develop an entirely new FR chassis than it is to just retrofit an existing FWD car with another driveshaft, a diff, and a pair of axles... I don't see how this applies. It's one thing to make one-off cars like the Evo, but a mass production car like the Silvia warrants enough R&D to make it worth developing a small FR chassis. Long term production cost of an AWD 'retrofit' will FAR outweigh the cost of developing a small FR chassis. Why don't they just start with the S15 design anyway? There was nothing wrong with the basic elements of the S15 other than the transmission.

I just think this article is a lot of conjecture.

MikeFD3S

10-07-2005, 01:04 PM

" " iz dumm

If any of you looked through the recent motor trend, they had a short article about Nissan considering introducing a series of budget cars a la Scion style, but with the same Nissan name. There's been tons of official automotive news about Nissan's plans for a budget youth oriented line. Budget = low horsepower, light on mpg, FWD. The chassis on that concept car screams FWD.

There's no room for a 4WD in a budget line. The That car IS NOT the Silvia, and the source material you got that from is just some random nobody's random speculations, based on nothing but hearsay.

The Silvia line has been around for a long time. Nissan will not destroy that name by creating something wholly unfamiliar like that concept car.

tastyratz

10-07-2005, 02:02 PM

if it comes out as awd 4wd or fwd ill be sad. if they re-released a revised s15 over in america here im sure they would easily sell if they could make it a competing car in a price range ala miata. the chassis being the same would mean alot of s13/s14/jspec s15/ bolt on parts and interchangability that would boost their presence in the current drifting rage and parts sales. free advertising. if they released a limited edition 180 over here for a production run at original sales cost fuck yea id buy one and swap all my shit over to that...

Yoshi

10-07-2005, 02:17 PM

^^wat car do u consider a legend then?

Depends on where u live on the planet tho doesn't it?

If you don't think the Silvia is a legendary car in japan, you're only fooling yourself.... in the states? well that's really different now isn't it? With the current drift trend the way it is, we won't know for another 10 years.

SimpleS14

10-07-2005, 05:19 PM

Ok...since this thread refuses to die, here's a concept car to get you guys rambling even more....

The Foria compact coupe tests the waters for a premium sports coupe blending high quality and performance. The Foria show car is a 2+2 coupe, with a front-engine, rear-drive layout. It features an extremely short front overhang, with a mid-size engine under the long hood. The Foria's automatic transmission is operated by a Formula One-style paddle shifter. Visually, the mot notable touch is the B-pillarless doors, the rear doors opening "suicide" style. This approach is meant to provide especially access to both front and rear seats, Nissan officials explain. The Foria's rear curves gracefully into crystalline taillamps. The interior combines a gray sports jersey fabric, brown leather and ivory-colored front seats. The built-in video display can provide a variety of different forms of data, from navigation maps to point-of-information accessed while driving.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/10241_YTETZLATTIXQV.jpg
http://www.carview.co.jp/tms/2005/just/nissan_foria/images/02_l.jpg
http://www.carview.co.jp/tms/2005/just/nissan_foria/images/05_l.jpg
http://www.carview.co.jp/tms/2005/just/nissan_foria/images/10_l.jpg
http://www.carview.co.jp/tms/2005/just/nissan_foria/images/11_l.jpg
http://www.carview.co.jp/tms/2005/just/nissan_foria/images/12_l.jpg
http://www.carview.co.jp/tms/2005/just/nissan_foria/images/13_l.jpg

This is simply a concept, and doesn't mean its destined to become reality for the US market.

drift freaq

10-07-2005, 05:27 PM

very true MAZDA has more of a racing involvement then nissan and toyota.. or even honda...but nissan is still there... just not as much...
hahahhahaha this is a crack up. Nissan has more racing history than Mazda could ever wish to have. Honda and Toyota follow up on its heels. Honda has been making Formula One engines for close to ten years. Lets see Mazda build a Formula One engine. Hell even Toyota is full bore into the Formula one game now. Mazda is the new comer on the block and only big to you guys because Mazda has commited itself to certain racing series here in the U.S.
Nissan has always had the most racing history and Sports car history of all the Japanese makes with Honda and Toyota nipping at its heels.
Like I said Mazda is the newcomer and has never had a engine in any of the Formula car series which Nissan( Formula 3000 one step below F1 and Champ cars) Honda (F1) Toyota ( Formula Atlantic and now F1)
. Back to topic, man you guys like to speculate. The Nissan Scion competitor was actually officially announced by Nissan. Its not a Silvia and the plans are still on for bringing out another Silvia, like I stated earlier.
I have a lot of Japanese connections here and in Japan. My info comes strong. Yet again, I even I say until its actually out, a certain amount of what we know is going to be pure speculation. Its not like there going to let the cat out of the bag completely.
I bet, not many of you know, or realize that Nissan has been quitly selling AWD G35 4 doors here in the states since last december.
hahhahha doubt me ? Call up your local Infinite dealer and ask. They snuck it in right under the radar last december, with a few ads announcing it in AWD during Christmas time last year.
I did a double take when I saw the ad on TV. No announcement about it, just all of sudden here it is.

OptionZero

10-07-2005, 05:28 PM

the side profile might suggest 510, but the front and rear suck ass, like they can't decide whether to be round or square.

Just gimme FreshAlloy's Datsun 510 remake with a RWD, VQ and i'm done.

SimpleS14

10-07-2005, 06:20 PM

the side profile might suggest 510, but the front and rear suck ass, like they can't decide whether to be round or square.

How about this comparison.....

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i25/2557_9mg.jpg

http://www.carview.co.jp/tms/2005/just/nissan_foria/images/10_l.jpg

axiomatik

10-07-2005, 08:27 PM

Damn, that is ill-proportioned, though I realize they are paying homage 60'5 Silvias.

Also, Mazda is the only Japanese manufacturer to win at Le Mans.

drift freaq

10-07-2005, 08:51 PM

Damn, that is ill-proportioned, though I realize they are paying homage 60'5 Silvias.

Also, Mazda is the only Japanese manufacturer to win at Le Mans.
your right about it looking like a 60's Silvia.
As far as Le Mans goes. While it is a race of note and prestige, one race does not make a manufacturers race laurels and your starting to sound like A: you own a Mazda and don't like Nissans or B: you love championing the underdog for the sake of argument.

SimpleSexy180

10-07-2005, 09:54 PM

How about this comparison.....

http://us1.webpublications.com.au/static/images/articles/i25/2557_9mg.jpg

http://www.carview.co.jp/tms/2005/just/nissan_foria/images/10_l.jpg

and i'll stick to the first one.

theicecreamdan

10-07-2005, 10:17 PM

that blue thing looks like a thunderbird... yucky.

EchoOfSilence

10-09-2005, 03:28 AM

that blue thing looks like a thunderbird... yucky.
wtf? thunderbirds are sexy...

EchoOfSilence

10-09-2005, 03:30 AM

your right about it looking like a 60's Silvia.
As far as Le Mans goes. While it is a race of note and prestige, one race does not make a manufacturers race laurels and your starting to sound like A: you own a Mazda and don't like Nissans or B: you love championing the underdog for the sake of argument.
all in all, LeMans is LeMans. also, what saddens me is that Nissan doesn't feel like getting into WRC :wtc: I just don't see Nissan in many big events, and Mazda pretty much always is, with the exception of F1