So back to the whole SR20DET emissions thing...

[AREITU]

With rolling smog machines, and mobile dynos, it's good reason to be paranoid in California these days. I've heard of SR20s passing sniffers, but it defenitely will not pass a visual inspection.
There seems to be hope though...I've heard of hybrid hondas obtaining some kind of exemption thing from a smog referee. Anybody familar enough with it to provide an explanation, or a translation from Legalese into English to see if it covers SR20s?

[SR20Fastback]

Wish I could help, but Im also curious. Im gonna be moving to California in a year or two and want to keep the car registered.

[Takumi]

As for now until Motorex gets workin' on their SMOG legal SR20DET.  You are SHIT OUT OF LUCK. =/

[Arcane]

i'm sure that there are some car fans out there that won't mind the sr20 shop...i'd ask around...someone might know something...also, a lot of the shops around here don't know much about the sr20 let alone a 240...you may get lucky....

and as i understand it...(don't know if this is just for military) you can keep your car registered in a different state...i have mine registered in california but live in colorado...i even had the registration renewed last august while i was still in colorado...

[SR20DET S14]

where in CA are u? i know a shop that will pass you <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> thats a reason why im less worried now about getting my swap...
the shop is in glendale....if ur around...or dont mind the drive...let me know n ill set something up

[AKADriver]

The exemption you speak of for hybrid Hondas applies only to engines sold in the US. &nbsp;A B18C isn't an OEM Civic engine, but it was sold in the US in the Integra, making it an emissions legal upgrade provided the engine is the same year or newer than the car body, and the emissions systems are all brought along with the engine to match.

The SR20DET was never approved in any form for the US, so it is illegal.

However, anyone with the money can do what Motorex is rumored to be doing. &nbsp;There are a number of testing facilities that are authorized to EPA-certify engines, but I believe they can only do it on a case by case basis... &nbsp;one passing grade for an SR20DET doesn't mean they all pass. &nbsp;The fee is steep... about $5000 last I checked.

[mistert]

im about to move to CA, so im pretty interested in this too...but what the hell is the point of a rolling dyno? are they trying to set some sort of legal power limit or something now?

[JEdubz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AKADriver @ May 02 2002,08:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The SR20DET was never approved in any form for the US, so it is illegal.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You are wrong there my friend.... Infiniti (Nissans Luxury class in U.S.) was going to have an SR20DET, but downgraded to the SR20DE for..well.. to make money...basically....

However, The SR20DE and SR20DET are very similar in strength with only a few differences related to strengthing and cooling for the turbo. The basic block and head are the exact same and are both very strong. This is why SR20DE's (which power FWD cars :o( &nbsp; &nbsp;) respond very well to turbos.... My guess is that special little T we love really just means turbo since the engines are so similar.

I wonder if it's possible to put an SR20DE into an RPS13 and pass emissions...wow I would love that....

[JEdubz]

What was I thinking? After a bit of research I really don't want an SR20DE now... I would rather just get a KA24DE... lol..

[drift freaq]

Ok guys, one rolling dyno's? I think the only place you are going to see those are at street drag racing sites where the cops are trying to crack down i.e. Grants home town San Diego.
For the rest of us in California I drive all over this state all the time and I personally have never seen one of these so called rolling dyno's . So I would not freak about that unless you like to frequent illegal street drag meets which at that point I would be more afraid of the car being impounded period.
As far as smog goes . I know of a shop right here in Los Feliz( best neighborhood in Los Angeles) &nbsp;that will pass on tailpipe and does not care about the visual.
As far as MotoRex, goes they can get you a legal CARB certification for your SR20DET. It will cost $3000 and judging by what someone else said above about certification stations charging $5000 the MotoRex price is a better deal.
As far as KADE's go you want ground pounding torque?? Buy a low mileage KAde off one of these SR swap freaks for cheap and Turbo it.
Ya I have a truck motor hahahha watch it eat you for lunch.hahha J/K
but seriously the KAde is not a truck motor the truck motor was specifically manufactured in Mexico and the DE was built in Japan. another nail in the coffin of KA truck motor mythology.
Seriously though its up to you SR20 rev it up with no Torque. KAde+T with lightened flywheel rev it to 7K with torque and a nice broad power band .
bring the flames on folks <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[azboy]

personally I'd rather buy a motor that was built for turbos, then to put a turbo on an engine that was never ment to have one in the first place..but this is just my opinion. &nbsp;

JEdubz:
I don't think you can put a FF engine in a FR car without MAJOR mods. &nbsp;the motor mounts would probably in a different location on the block itself.

[DragonReborn214]

MMMMmmmmmmmmm.... Factory turbo.... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'> <drools>

If you need to pass smog, PM me, but it will cost you.

[JEdubz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drift freaq @ May 03 2002,12:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but seriously the KAde is not a truck motor the truck motor was specifically manufactured in Mexico and the DE was built in Japan. another nail in the coffin of KA truck motor mythology.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Not to sound like a prick. But you're wrong. The KA24E was in the Nissan Hardbody Pick up, and the KA24DE was in the Nissan Frontier and the first year of the Nissan Xterra... Don't believe me? Nissan Engine Catalog (http://www.freshalloy.com/cars/nissan/nissan_engines.html)

[rotaryknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Takumi @ May 01 2002,9:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for now until Motorex gets workin' on their SMOG legal SR20DET. You are SHIT OUT OF LUCK. =/</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Sorry man looks like MotoRex isn't gonna be doing much with that anymore. &nbsp;Talked to Shawn and he doesn't seem to enthused about it.

Also gettin a SR to pass smog is sooo easy..It so much easier to get a hook up especially when there are so many stock 240 sx out there. &nbsp;It's gonna be real easy to pass my SR.

Try passing a single turbo T04S FD running 4-550cc injectors and 2-1300cc injectors, no cat no egr. &nbsp;Friggin thing cost me $300 to smog. &nbsp;And remember FD barely pass smog &nbsp;stock.

[drift freaq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">je dubz..Not to sound like a prick. But you're wrong. The KA24E was in the Nissan Hardbody Pick up, and the KA24DE was in the Nissan Frontier and the first year of the Nissan Xterra... Don't believe me? Nissan Engine Catalog
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guess what JE the engine was in the cars before the trucks they stuck it in the truck after it was in the cars. Guess what JE NIssan has stuck their car engines in trucks for over 30 years starting with the L16 then the L18 then the L20B. After that the NapsZ2.0 and 2.2
I am not wrong and you are a prick . The engine was not installed in the Hardbody till somewhere after 94 .
If you want to be the I am going to prove you wrong SR Nazi go right ahead and try . Guess what JE the engine is tuned completely different for the truck and is built in a different factory. Want anymore facts , prick?
Wanna know why I am being harsh on you because your full of it. You read a late model product catalog and take it for absolute proof but you don't do the rest of your research.
We all know you love SR's so your going to be &nbsp;biased.
guess what I am not biased even though it sounds like it the only thing I am biased towards are SR Nazi's who can't see the forest for the trees i.e. The KA is just as worthy engine as the SR . In fact if you want to get into shortcoming both engines have shortcomings. The CA is the only mechanically has all the right stuff .

[rotaryknight]

Rolling dyno's are actually a part of a pollution survey and are voluntary....even though it's hard to tell an officer to his face no.

This is a topic that was brought up awhile back on the Rx-7 and Supra forums.

[rancid240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The engine was not installed in the Hardbody till somewhere after 94 </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/notify.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':notify:'>

KA24E's were in hardbodies since 1990. &nbsp;I am pretty sure that they were in 240sx's first, but the engine was not installed first in 94 hardbodies, but rather in the 1990 model. &nbsp; the 1998 frontiers came with the ka24de model. &nbsp;I dont want to get in the argument, but for sure i dont want wrong information being given out.

[nrcooled]

I think the KA is a perfect candidate for a turbo but I went w/ the SR because my KA had 115k on it and adding a turbo would have pretty much ended the life of my KA w/ the boost I wanted to run. &nbsp;Also the reliability of the engine would have been severely comprimised w/ a turbo.

So to me a 30k SR w/ factory turbo and 205hp and potential for 300hp easy (but expensive <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> ) &nbsp;The choice was very simple how I was to spend my $2200

Also I was not turbo literate enough to put together my own setup

hell the guy in SCC went through 3 bottom ends before he got his right and I am sure he knows more than me

[JEdubz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drift freaq @ May 04 2002,9:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We all know you love SR's so your going to be biased.
guess what I am not biased even though it sounds like it the only thing I am biased towards are SR Nazi's who can't see the forest for the trees i.e. The KA is just as worthy engine as the SR .</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmmm since your in the mood of trying to ridicule people.. how bot this one, you say Im biased and dont respect KA? Why the hell did I say this ealier?

What was I thinking? After a bit of research I really don't want an SR20DE now... I would rather just get a KA24DE... lol..

And in another post I said I didn't mind KA's being in trucks... so get your facts straight before you try to insult people...

[mistert]

if you turbocharge a KA you could maybe try and tell the smog technician you swapped a turbodiesel engine in or something like that, they'd probably believe it

[drift freaq]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">KA24E's were in hardbodies since 1990. I am pretty sure that they were in 240sx's first, but the engine was not installed first in 94 hardbodies, but rather in the 1990 model. the 1998 frontiers came with the ka24de model. I dont want to get in the argument, but for sure i dont want wrong information being given out.
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I was &nbsp;talking about the DE's Rancid . OF course I know the KA24e came in the truck since 90 I used to own one.

And by the way JE If I wanted to ridicule or insult you I would go much farther than that .I was correcting your fact statement because it was not right . Can't take being corrected?? don't post inaccurate stuff.

[camppain]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

read the sig below............

sr20det's do not have any emission's like egr etc etc. you can swap the heads with a sr20de and use the det block to have an egr without needing to fab plumbing and etc. its been done on fwd sentra's b13-b14's to pass emissions.