OT: Honda s2000?

[240sxtreme]

what does everyone think about the S2000?  another forum that I go to are arguing between a WRX and a S2000...don't ask why, I still don't understand as they're not in the same class and one's built for rally, the other for sunday drives.

so people were saying how much faster in the 1/4 the s2000 is(yeah, and), and the fact that the s2k is RWD and all...anyways....

I was wondering what everyone thought here about the s2k...personally, even though it does have awesome performance, handling, and looks, at 32k...you can buy and build a much better car for 32k...IMO. &nbsp;again, I'm not looking to bash the s2k at all, even though it is a Honda <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> , just wondering what fellow 240 owners think. &nbsp;if you had 32k to spend on a car, would you get it?

[sykikchimp]

If I had 32K to buy a sports car, I would buy the G35 Coupe.. &nbsp;Screw the S2000.

[twofortysx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 30 2002,1:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I had 32K to buy a sports car, I would buy the G35 Coupe.. Screw the S2000.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Is the g35 coupe even out yet?

[tnord]

comparing the WRX and S2000 is almost as dumb as comparing the G35 and S2000

i love the car. i'd really like to have one someday. in fact, i like most honda's. 9k rpms a 240 horse on a lightweight chassis, how can you not like it. it's a miata on steriods.

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (twofortysx @ May 01 2002,09:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 30 2002,1:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I had 32K to buy a sports car, I would buy the G35 Coupe.. Screw the S2000.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Is the g35 coupe even out yet?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Nope so that was a useless statement. The S2000 looks like a nice car, what more do you want to hear &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

[S13 Passion]

from what i heard... the s2k only puts just over 200hp at the wheels. &nbsp;
i like the s2k, but if i had 32k, i'd rather buy a 300zx TT or an FD RX-7.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ April 30 2002,4:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (twofortysx @ May 01 2002,09:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ April 30 2002,1:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I had 32K to buy a sports car, I would buy the G35 Coupe.. Screw the S2000.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Is the g35 coupe even out yet?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Nope so that was a useless statement. The S2000 looks like a nice car, what more do you want to hear <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not useless.. &nbsp;It'll be out in August with the 350z. &nbsp;hell.. &nbsp;even if the g35 wasn't out, I would rather have a 350 over the S2000.

Not that I wouldn't have an S2000. &nbsp;It is an amzing car in my opinion. &nbsp;Just over priced.

[KiDyNomiTe]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13 Passion @ April 30 2002,4:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">from what i heard... the s2k only puts just over 200hp at the wheels.
i like the s2k, but if i had 32k, i'd rather buy a 300zx TT or an FD RX-7.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ya I saw i think a best motoring video where they said that it only puts a little over 200 to the wheels, and japanese people always have to try drifting in any RWD car, they all couldn't do it, except one guy (keep in mind it was still stock).

[rancid240]

they drift one in an option video with no probs. &nbsp;they also pull a pretty fat donut in it. &nbsp;but i agree with all that say its a lot of money for the car, but they are pretty rare...

[240sxtreme]

oh no...I do like it..but for 32k? Does anyone else think this is a little bit overpriced? and for HP atwheel...200 seems a little low...I wonder if they broke it in properly before putting it on the dyno. for a RWD, I'd expect something like 210-215...

and I have wondered about whether or not they're drifting them in Japan or not...but I really don't know anyone in Japan to ask....

I just wish Honda would have put it into the 24-26k category...which to me is where it ought to be. but then no one would buy the RSX.

I mean, we all know what we can do with a 240 for 32k right? why would anyone want to spend 32k on the s2000, when you can put all that money into a lot of different cars, and have one that will perform better? I mean, I understand if people want a new car...but you have Rx7 TT, 300z TT, SupraTT, 240 w/Sr20 or KA-T, Celica all trac, MR2 turbo, impreza, wrx, etc....all of which you can buy and build to be better and cheaper then a brand new car....

also, if you don't mind LHD, here's what else you can do for 30k(http://www.motorex.net/90gunR32.html)drool drool

I guess I don't understand the whole brand new car thing. too me, redoing a car into brand newness is better then a stock brand new car.

[drifterX87]

Man, if I had 32k to spend, Id buy a SupraTT. &nbsp;Jeeze, Id still have like 10-6 grand to play around with too. &nbsp; Id get the Titanium Racing exhaust for the TT for 1.5 grand, and get some other engine components like flywheel, clutch, and LSD. &nbsp;For what you get fot the S2000, you can have the begginings to a Wangan monster. &nbsp;and for the sake of a new car, how many Supras do you see? &nbsp;ive seen far more 2000 than Supras. &nbsp;

Mike

[240meowth]

32k? &nbsp;skyline r32 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[wherezmytofu]

s2k is my dream car <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[drifterX87]

No offense, the Supra TT is my dream car <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[will]

Well I can't hate on it too much other than the price, but seems like Honda's cars with the most HP NA are kinda expensive, S2000 and the Type R. I raced against quite a few on a road course (in my Type R)and I caught up to some, even passed some. Its all driver. I remember back when I was on Honda-Tech.com a guy selling his S2000 and wanting to get a Type R. People said the Type R just feels more stable, but then again I know it takes some skill to handle a RWD car in the turns just right.

I'd get one, but I also think of what kind of potential a car may have if I start modifying it. How much farther can you go with the S2000? Sure you can SC it, even turbo it, but like the Type R, a lot of people feel these cars are meant to stay NA. Thats one of the reasons why I sold my Type R, potential just wasn't as much as I wanted it to be. Sure I could've got some Toda Spec B's or C's and revved to 9000rpm but theres goes reliability and even still the most outta a 1.8L car like that NA is 250ish and the S2000 would probably still be under 300HP. Now cars like the Supra, RX-7, and even our 240sx have a lot of potential and many people here have already stated they'd rather spend 30K on any those over an S2000.

We're comparing apples to oranges here but you gotta give it to Honda for building quality high HP NA cars with little displacement. I say the S2000 is a fun/competive car in stock form on the track in which probably most of you, including myself, couldn't handle near its limits.
my $.02

-will

[aqwkmf]

i hear s2ks dont have any balls untill 5k rpms

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i hear s2ks dont have any balls untill 5k rpms</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

That goes for all vtec engines

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ April 29 2002,9:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i hear s2ks dont have any balls untill 5k rpms</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i hear u din go any balls...whats ur point? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'> ...the s2k will lay total smack down agains the silvia...even with it's mid range turbo power....gear ratio's cahnge everyhting...evey tho the power is really 5-9k+ it doesnt matter...cuz it takes like 0 second fot it 2 rev that high...

[tnord]

i hear the 240 doesn't have any balls above 5k rpms. &nbsp;well, that's not quite accurate, but you get my point. you can't compare new cars to used ones. you just can't. so stop it. and drifting one? who gives a shit? over the past couple months i have developed quite the "distaste" for drifting and drifters. &nbsp;so.....
1) stop with the comparison to used cars
2) when will "drifting" go away

put the same driver in an itr and S2000 and the s2k will beat it. end of story.

[wherezmytofu]

im guessing the people taking about vtec engines have no clue what it is and what the point its?.....the point is 2 have a good gas milage care..for normal driving...the first cam profile..thats why the vtec cross over is 4-5krmp so u can stay in the nice high mpg driving and vtec always for a second profile 2 be switched 2 at higher rmps...it has no balls cuz it's nos suppose 2....

1. tnord = smart
2. i hate drifting 2
3. s2k > itr
4. s2k w/o comtech super changer > supra tt...a s2k with a comtech super chager wills till be less ten a supra tt &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>

[Arcane]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ April 30 2002,8:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the s2k will lay total smack down against the silvia...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
but our cars are still sexier...but yeah, i'd choose the s2000

[anthony240]

I see/drive S2000's all the time, (I work for a Honda dealership) they're not that great. I took one out and all it did was rev, it felt like there's no power being delivered to the ground. And I'm not really fond of roadsters. But still, it's a great car, and everytime I have to put one in the showroom I have a smile on my face.

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (anthony240 @ April 30 2002,12:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I see/drive S2000's all the time, (I work for a Honda dealership) they're not that great. I took one out and all it did was rev, it felt like there's no power being delivered to the ground. And I'm not really fond of roadsters. But still, it's a great car, and everytime I have to put one in the showroom I have a smile on my face.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i envy u!..by any change r u a short asian kid....i may be albe 2 will ua nd take over ur life &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[zephyr]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ April 29 2002,4:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">comparing the WRX and S2000 is almost as dumb as comparing the G35 and S2000

i love the car. i'd really like to have one someday. in fact, i like most honda's. 9k rpms a 240 horse on a lightweight chassis, how can you not like it. it's a miata on steriods.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
thats so odd because ive always referred to z3's as miatas on steroids &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

anyhoo..i love s2k's

[JpS]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxtreme @ April 30 2002,6:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and I have wondered about whether or not they're drifting them in Japan or not...but I really don't know anyone in Japan to ask....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
well i can answer that one for you and im in north carolina...
THEY'RE 32 GRAND!
thats why they drift ae86's and s13's.. they're 2 grand and nobody cares if they fly off a mountain or into a guard rail or telephone pole or whatever....

think about it... would you drift an s2k?... didnt think so

[silvia240]

I drive an s2000 on a weekly basis.... It is an awsome car. &nbsp;From STOCK.... it is great... It handles like nothing else.... I always drive up to Julian (for those who know where that is, the road up there is very very dangerous if you go as fast as i do) &nbsp;I go about 70-90 miles on the turnes. &nbsp;Even on the 25 mile turn i can hit it going about 60. &nbsp;For a stock car, it is great. &nbsp;Some people dont want to have to fix up a car to make it fast and handle well. &nbsp;you dont have to worry about the cops harrasing you or targeting you because you have a lowered rice rocket. &nbsp;
Now the Wrx... it is also a good car but it cannot compare to the s2000. &nbsp;It does not handle as well and is not as fast. &nbsp;
But thats my 2 cents, you probably think differently.
People have different tastes.

[Kreator]

Reasons why i wouldn't buy an s2k...

1. It's a honda....
2. it's overpriced... like all hondas
3. It's I4..... for 32k i would never buy an I4
4. It got less torque than my 240.
5. I don't like cars that get to the max at 8300rpm... Whoever was talking about low gas milage... IT'S A FREAKIN SPORTS CAR!!! it's not supposed to have low gas milage! People who are buying sports cars a well freakin aware of it.
6. There is alot of them nowadays.... At least in my area... And they are getting more popular...
7. I'd rather get a 300zx TT or a Supra TT ... or a 3000GT VR4...for that money... and i think they look better.... all 3 of them....
8. The new 350z is coming out...
9. I like my 240 better than s2k... even though it's slower, handless worse and prolly has crappier interior...

Anyways, to sum this all up: if i had 32k i'd buy something else

[JeffNJ]

The S2000 is a goddamn beautiful car in every way, and I think it's priced incredibly fairly for what it is. &nbsp;You get about 90% or so the performance of a Porsche at 50% the cost. &nbsp;The bang-per-buck ratio on that is definately worth it.

However, even for so few bucks, I still can't afford that much bang. &nbsp;So, it's still the MR2 Spyder that I've got my weary eyes still straining to the horizon to see. &nbsp;At 2/3 the cost, there's a lot higher probability of me buying on, and as long as I never test drive an S2k, I can continue believing that the MR2's mid-mounted engine is untouchable in my budget.

But, uh, yeah, if the S2000 were a woman, it could still have my babies. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

[JEdubz]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JpS @ April 30 2002,11:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">think about it... would you drift an s2k?... didnt think so</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Would anyone? Yes. I have 6 Drifting Videos on my computer of people drifting in S2000's... And if price is your concern why do people drift in Supras? or FD3S's? 32k isn't that much... More than I will ever have but you make it sound like it's &nbsp;a bad car.

&nbsp; &nbsp;And back to the original topic I think S2000's are great cars. They are beautiful without body kits and all you need is a nice one inch drop, a carbon fiber hood, and some matching gunmetal rims (with break pads matching the rest of the car) and the car will look beautiful. I know I bash Hondas but look at the S2000 in it's class (since that that's the only thing you can fairly compare it to).it killed the Audi TT in price/performance. The Z3 and M roadster were also out of the question. It is one nice car. And I honestly can say though I love Nissan I would never take a G35 over an S2k. G35's are luxury cars, look at nissans site it says so. S2k's are sports cars. period.

(But I still would take a Supra TT over all of them)

[MorganS13]

heres my opinion:

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; i've driven an M-roadster back to back with an S2000. &nbsp;the S2000 felt more fun to drive and driver friendly... BUT it definitely didn't feel like it was worth the price, it just didn't seem refined enough for its pricetag. &nbsp;the BMW, on the other hand, had a certain feel to it that justified its price. &nbsp;it felt more solid and more like something i could live with. &nbsp;neither of these cars was dissapointing, however

[ridebmx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240sxtreme @ April 30 2002,7:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mean, we all know what we can do with a 240 for 32k right? why would anyone want to spend 32k on the s2000, when you can put all that money into a lot of different cars, and have one that will perform better? I mean, I understand if people want a new car...but you have Rx7 TT, 300z TT, SupraTT, 240 w/Sr20 or KA-T, Celica all trac, MR2 turbo, impreza, wrx, etc....all of which you can buy and build to be better and cheaper then a brand new car....

also, if you don't mind LHD, here's what else you can do for 30k(http://www.motorex.net/90gunR32.html)drool drool

I guess I don't understand the whole brand new car thing. too me, redoing a car into brand newness is better then a stock brand new car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i agree...and i would also just find a skyline for 32 grand, and make it like new...but that is me, i personally wouldnt ever want a brand new car, you drive the god damn thing off the lot and already you lost 8 grand...haha...not quite that much but you get the point...

[Tuck&Poke]

man...if i had 32k thatd be the car id buy. &nbsp;9K rpm, vtec 240hp in a 2500lb car rwd awsome 6 speed. &nbsp;in a heart beat. &nbsp;and its not overpriced at all compared to the competition. &nbsp;the porshe boxter s is 50k and its not even as fast. &nbsp;cheaper than a bmw m roadster and the slk 320. &nbsp;no comparison w/ the supra and all that other crap w/ a s2000. &nbsp;totaly different breed. &nbsp;id just like to see what happens when you turbo an s2000...

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (minime686 @ May 01 2002,9:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">man...if i had 32k thatd be the car id buy. 9K rpm, vtec 240hp in a 2500lb car rwd awsome 6 speed. in a heart beat. and its not overpriced at all compared to the competition. the porshe boxter s is 50k and its not even as fast. cheaper than a bmw m roadster and the slk 320. no comparison w/ the supra and all that other crap w/ a s2000. totaly different breed. id just like to see what happens when you turbo an s2000...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
pfffffff. What is it with comparing s2k to all these damn expensive cars? We all know that Porsches, BMWs, and Mercedes are for reach people. Try to compare it to a Diablo... prolly will sound somthing like this: "Well diablo costs $250K so i'd rather get an s2k for $32K". No shit. Reasoning sux though. I dunnow about you, but i think s2000 is a lower class than a boxter. Porsches and mercedes are more luxury-sport than plain sport cars. Plus i think you would drive a porsche or a mercedes for muuuuch longer without problems than any honda (i saw mercedes engines during the auto show this december.... those things are BEAUTIFUL works of art). Try to compare the s2k to the same class cars. now that sentence with calling supra crap.... ehhhh have you ever driven one to call it crap??? My guess - you didnt.

[crazycuban]

Man, if there's one thing I hate about 240 owners, its that they got a big stick up their asses about torque. You can take your torque. Why don't you go get a diesel truck? Your ass dyno will be off the charts, but you really wont be going anywhere. IMO, its better to go fast than to feel like you're going fast.

EDIT: &nbsp;Oh yeah, that, and the big stick up the ass about Honda. &nbsp;It's a company. &nbsp;Get over it. &nbsp;Nissan's a company too. &nbsp;Whether you buy from Nissan or Honda, they're both fuckin you up the ass and making mad profits off you with overpriced cars.

Anyways, I love S2000's, but I'd only get one for sex. That's a car to pick up girls in and nothing more. Actually, I respect civics 90 times more than I respect S2000's. When I pull up to a civic at a stoplight, there's a fair chance he'll beat me (turbo, highly tuned n/a). With S2000's, they'll be seeing my taillights every time. I've even talked to a guy with a comptech supercharged S2k - he's running 13's. I'm running 13's stock turbo with my SR.

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ April 30 2002,12:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Reasons why i wouldn't buy an s2k...

1. It's a honda....
2. it's overpriced... like all hondas
3. It's I4..... for 32k i would never buy an I4
4. It got less torque than my 240.
5. I don't like cars that get to the max at 8300rpm... Whoever was talking about low gas milage... IT'S A FREAKIN SPORTS CAR!!! it's not supposed to have low gas milage! People who are buying sports cars a well freakin aware of it.
6. There is alot of them nowadays.... At least in my area... And they are getting more popular...
7. I'd rather get a 300zx TT or a Supra TT ... or a 3000GT VR4...for that money... and i think they look better.... all 3 of them....
8. The new 350z is coming out...
9. I like my 240 better than s2k... even though it's slower, handless worse and prolly has crappier interior...

Anyways, to sum this all up: if i had 32k i'd buy something else</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
1. cant do anything if u dun like honda
2. well..it's a sports car...u want a cheap one?
3. it can take out the mustang gt...so...engien being a i4 has nuthing to do with anything &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>
4. actually, engine wise it has less torque, but it has quite short gear ratis..giving more torque the the 240sx at the wheels
5. good gas &nbsp;is the point of v-tec u dumb nutt &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>
6. yay...i dun like that either...originally it was suppose 2 be a limited production car...only 2 per dealership...and thats it...but then the sales were so good.... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>
7. s2k can take out vr4 and z32 TT stock vs stock
8. yes it is..and such a sweet car it is &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>
9. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 02 2002,5:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (minime686 @ May 01 2002,9:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">man...if i had 32k thatd be the car id buy. 9K rpm, vtec 240hp in a 2500lb car rwd awsome 6 speed. in a heart beat. and its not overpriced at all compared to the competition. the porshe boxter s is 50k and its not even as fast. cheaper than a bmw m roadster and the slk 320. no comparison w/ the supra and all that other crap w/ a s2000. totaly different breed. id just like to see what happens when you turbo an s2000...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
pfffffff. What is it with comparing s2k to all these damn expensive cars? We all know that Porsches, BMWs, and Mercedes are for reach people. Try to compare it to a Diablo... prolly will sound somthing like this: "Well diablo costs $250K so i'd rather get an s2k for $32K". No shit. Reasoning sux though. I dunnow about you, but i think s2000 is a lower class than a boxter. Porsches and mercedes are more luxury-sport than plain sport cars. Plus i think you would drive a porsche or a mercedes for muuuuch longer without problems than any honda (i saw mercedes engines during the auto show this december.... those things are BEAUTIFUL works of art). Try to compare the s2k to the same class cars. now that sentence with calling supra crap.... ehhhh have you ever driven one to call it crap??? My guess - you didnt.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What is in the same class as the S2000 then? Maybe the new Z once the vert version comes out? Maybe the miata which is 10K cheaper and also slower. Maybe the boxster, oh wait it's more expensive and is slower so I guess there not in the same class. But the mercedes and porshes will last longer then a honda cause honda's have horrible reliability problems &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> Get your head out of your ass, the s2000 is a nice car for the money.

[KiDyNomiTe]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 02 2002,2:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">7. s2k can take out vr4 and z32 TT stock vs stock</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
it can? I am guessing it is because of the wieght, although I would take a 300ZX over S2K, S2K over VR4, Only thing i dont like about S2K &nbsp;is damn people in thier civic hatchbacks using the S2K headlights and tailights (but it is not the S2Ks fault). I love the interior though, it looks sweet.

This won't change my S13 dreams though

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 02 2002,2:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2. well..it's a sports car...u want a cheap one?
3. it can take out the mustang gt...so...engien being a i4 has nuthing to do with anything <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>
4. actually, engine wise it has less torque, but it has quite short gear ratis..giving more torque the the 240sx at the wheels
5. good gas is the point of v-tec u dumb nutt <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>
7. s2k can take out vr4 and z32 TT stock vs stock</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
2. I think civics are overpriced as well...
3. Yes, but it's still a I4. I'm just saying for 32 grand they could put a 6 cylinder in there. (meaning a BIGGER engine, not just more pistons)
4. You like jerking your hand through gears on daily driving basis?
5.Maybe. But again, it's a sports car. I want all of my car's power at any rpm, not just at the top end. And i don't really give a shit about gas mileage. I bet people who drive s2ks have money for gas. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>
7. Yeah, but vr4 and z32 have a v6 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> (plz refrain from insults on how i should go and buy a camaro cuz it's a v8. I know people like saying that....)
1/4 mile:
s2k - 13.8
zx TT - 13.9
vr4 - 13.6 (ahem <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>)
supra TT - 13.6
And note, that's comparing a 2000 s2k to a 1996 zx and 1997 vr4 and supra....

Personally i dont like mercedes nor porsche. I never said that hondas reliability sux. Class issues.... if there wasn't another class of cars, then why would someone buy a NSX for 80K when they could buy a camaro SS for about 30K and run about the same? Boxster is slower than a s2k.... by .2... but if you look at the gear ratios, you can see that boxter's are waaaay longer.. it's not supposed to accelarate fast it seems to me. (final drive 3.44 vs 4.1 for s2k correct me if i'm wrong on the stats). The class i put s2k in is the same as supra, 3000gt, 300zx and also the camaros/firebirds/mustangs (gonna get flamed, but if you think about it, those cars are much more fit to go in there than the boxter).

Phew that was long.

But then again. Before you all honda likers start flaming me - read my 1st reason for not liking s2k. Nothing i can help, but the civics really made that happen. And again, i would pick a vr-4 or a zx over s2k for the looks. hell, i'll pick my 240 for the looks and invest the money i save in it. Too bad those are all outa production and you can't get a new one <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

EDIT: supra - I6. sorry. doesn't make difference though.

[crazycuban]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiDyNomiTe @ May 02 2002,5:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 02 2002,2:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">7. s2k can take out vr4 and z32 TT stock vs stock</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
it can? I am guessing it is because of the wieght, although I would take a 300ZX over S2K, S2K over VR4, Only thing i dont like about S2K is damn people in thier civic hatchbacks using the S2K headlights and tailights (but it is not the S2Ks fault). I love the interior though, it looks sweet.

This won't change my S13 dreams though</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The S2K can't beat the Z32 and 3000GT stock...the S2000 stock runs like 14.4...the Z32 and 3000GT run around 14 flat.

[drifterX87]

Is I6 a V6 then? &nbsp;Because I know that the Supra is inline six. &nbsp;How could you compare the Supra TT and the Z32 TT to the S2K? &nbsp;Thats degrading to those cars. &nbsp;it may run as fast stock in the 1/4, but what about when they are modded, and at top end? HMMMMMM? &nbsp;Aw whatever, I need some cafiene.

Mike

[crazycuban]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 02 2002,6:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">7. Yeah, but vr4 and z32 (and supra for that matter) have a v6 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> (plz refrain from insults on how i should go and buy a camaro cuz it's a v8. I know people like saying that....)
1/4 mile:
s2k - 13.8
zx TT - 13.9
vr4 - 13.6 (ahem <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>)
supra TT - 13.6
And note, that's comparing a 2000 s2k to a 1996 zx and 1997 vr4 and supra....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Wow, they have a V6. &nbsp;So do Hyundai Sonatas. &nbsp;It doesnt matter how many cylinders or how much displacement you have...Yeah, displacement is better if you use it, but there are plenty of high-displacement cars out there that are pretty damn slow. &nbsp;If you get beat by a CRX with a B16A, are you going to say to him "yeah, but I have 2.4 liters"? &nbsp;I'm still almost positive (or at least from what I've read) that the Z32 and 3000GT are better, but if they're not, why would you pick a car by the amount of cylinders? &nbsp;Why not pick whichever is faster?

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (crazycuban @ May 02 2002,7:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 02 2002,6:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">7. Yeah, but vr4 and z32 (and supra for that matter) have a v6 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> (plz refrain from insults on how i should go and buy a camaro cuz it's a v8. I know people like saying that....)
1/4 mile:
s2k - 13.8
zx TT - 13.9
vr4 - 13.6 (ahem <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>)
supra TT - 13.6
And note, that's comparing a 2000 s2k to a 1996 zx and 1997 vr4 and supra....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Wow, they have a V6. So do Hyundai Sonatas. It doesnt matter how many cylinders or how much displacement you have...Yeah, displacement is better if you use it, but there are plenty of high-displacement cars out there that are pretty damn slow. If you get beat by a CRX with a B16A, are you going to say to him "yeah, but I have 2.4 liters"? I'm still almost positive (or at least from what I've read) that the Z32 and 3000GT are better, but if they're not, why would you pick a car by the amount of cylinders? Why not pick whichever is faster?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

First off supra is a I6, i already corrected that. Second of all number of cylinders (the way i learned it) does increase performance cuz u have less idling time between the power strokes. And again, i'm reffering to v6 as a bigger engine, not more pistons. Read #3. Fine refrase that as "Yeah, but vr4 and z32 (and supra for that matter) have a 3.0". Sonata is a FAMILY car. It's not supposed to be fast or anything. But its supposed to pull with no matter how many people are in the car. And (i never ridden a sonata but my guess from my camry experience) i think it probably does good at that... although on the other hand its a hyundai. And i'm completely aware of the fact that s2k has 240hp with 2.0L engine. My point is that if they get that outa 2.0, imagine what can be done with a 3.0.... And i think its not gonna be that much more expensive.... And in that case i ment the same engine just with bigger displacement. Meaning faster car....

[danwagar]

i dont really see a problem comparing the boxter to the s2000, even if i was a multi billionaire and i could only have one of those 2 cars (obviously this is highly hypothetical) i would choose the s2000. honestly though i would rather have the wrx than both of those cuz i am a huge rally freak and it makes a tight street car, great handling both on and off road, and awd is great for racing people. &nbsp;i would rather put 10000 into a wrx than a s2000 even if i was filthy rich. &nbsp;
oh and i just wanna say a vr4 sucks balls and you can't compare it to a s2000 cuz it is a fat pig that doesn't handle worth crap, an s2000 isn't about straightline speed at all cuz any real driver looks at straightline speed after he looks at handling. if you want to compare the s2000 compare it to cars that are roadsters, and have low weight and similar hp/weight ratios like the lotus elise and porche boxter, honestly money has nothing to do w/ the class the car is in. &nbsp;
i dont know why im writing all this i am just bored and once i start typing i cant seem to stop... man i could just go on forever but i wll stop for your guys' sakes.

[azboy]

honda does have a 3.0 liter engine. &nbsp;I believe the car is called NSX.

I don't know why there are so many honda haters in here. &nbsp;What's the point? &nbsp;Did Honda do something to offended any of you? &nbsp;com'n people, get a clue. &nbsp;People race hondas because they are cheap and have the most after market and dealer support in the US. &nbsp;you guys have any idea how many different type of engines can go in a civic with ease? people buy what they can afford and what they think looks good. &nbsp;so what if its a honda. &nbsp;different strokes.....ya know what i'm saying?

comparing the s2k to the supra TT and 300TT is like comparing apples and oranges, they are in a completely different class. &nbsp;for one supras and 300zs are Turbo charged cars, s2k is NA. &nbsp;it was NOT built to compete with those cars. &nbsp;second they are 6 cylinder engines and larger displacement. &nbsp;third MotorTrend, Car and Driver, etc... compared the s2k to porches and bmw z3 because all three cars are similar in size and appearance (roadsters). &nbsp;you can buy an s2k for way less then a porche or z3 and have similar, if not better performance (best bang-for-buck)

[f1seb]

The S2000 being overpriced??? Show me a car that's made out of aluminum hand built for 32k that is close to the performance of the Honda. Now maybe you don't care much about the fact that the car is hand built and not just assembled on a line like the good ol mustangs and wrx's and not to mention some cars that nissan makes. Honda takes alot of time and pride in making their own cars. Anybody can grab a big ass engine throw it into a small car and there you go you got un unreliable car with most likely horrid handling. And oh so average looks. Im pretty safe to say that Honda is one car company that keeps tinkering with new technology and constantly throws something new into their cars to keep over the competition. Everybody in the world keeps bitching how the interrior of the cars are cheap and crappy but one thing I don't understand that is why does luxury matter so much to some of you people? You want luxury buy a cadillac you want sporty performance buy a honda. Or if you want both buy a BMW but most of us probably don't have the funds to buy a car like that that would satisfy youre speed cravings. My best friend owns an S2k and that car is not your average car for instance everybody will take a look at you while comming down the road (something I don't get driving my 240 the best looking one not to mention 1997) And when he opens it up man oh man that engine screems up to the redline like a perfect musical note. I am very jelous of his car and even when I make my SR swap and probably squeeze out enough hp to beat him I'll still be damn jelous of it.
The S2K is a driving work of art worth every damn penny .

[silvia240]

i agree with tofu....
PLUS it is a Cab!!!!!
Chicks dig cab's

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (azboy @ May 02 2002,9:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">honda does have a 3.0 liter engine. I believe the car is called NSX.

I don't know why there are so many honda haters in here. What's the point? Did Honda do something to offended any of you? com'n people, get a clue. People race hondas because they are cheap and have the most after market and dealer support in the US. you guys have any idea how many different type of engines can go in a civic with ease? people buy what they can afford and what they think looks good. so what if its a honda. different strokes.....ya know what i'm saying?

comparing the s2k to the supra TT and 300TT is like comparing apples and oranges, they are in a completely different class. for one supras and 300zs are Turbo charged cars, s2k is NA. it was NOT built to compete with those cars. second they are 6 cylinder engines and larger displacement. third MotorTrend, Car and Driver, etc... compared the s2k to porches and bmw z3 because all three cars are similar in size and appearance (roadsters). you can buy an s2k for way less then a porche or z3 and have similar, if not better performance (best bang-for-buck)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yes it is NSX and it costs 80 grand, about twice the price of a vr4.

They have so many aftermarket goodies, cuz there are alot of hondas around.... From what i can addup, there aren't many hondas in japan. More to that there are very few. That's what i heard from people i know who were there. I still want someone like junia to confirm that though....

Yeah, i thought about it... you are prolly right, s2000 is more fit with the z3s.... it's a roadster, and i was thinking on a money/power view instead of type of the car.

As for people not noticing your 240.... if it's non 97-98 i don't think people notice it, unless you got some really nice exterior. Earlier s14 aren't that beautiful. More to that, most people don't give a shit cuz they have no idea what you car is. s2k is well known though....

Anyways, that was just my opinion. I don't like honda, and i'm never getting one. I agree that it is a nice car and banging alot from it's 2.0. But if that same engine was 3.0, that car would be priceless.

[silvia240]

Imagine a 3 liter GSR or a 3 liter CIvic.... omg.. that would cause some haVoc.. A lot more torque... and a grip of horsepower.

[chickenmanq]

Hmmmmmm, 32 grand or whatever for an S2000. Yeah it's cool, but there's no torque. Why not buy a Corvette Z06 for a little bit more (45ish), and get cheaper parts, plus a car that will out-handle, out-run, and out-accelerate the S2000? Have you all checked the specs in Road and Track? The Corvette is well worthy of being called a sports car. Much less, with the tranny, it's possible to get 30 mpg cruising on the highway.

And no, I haven't gone domestic-mad. I thought that even before I sold the Nissan.



Okay, I just decided to check the specs in a back issue or R&T. &nbsp;The ONLY CATEGORY in which the S2000 comes ahead is the slalom. &nbsp;It was 1 second faster than the Z06. &nbsp;Every other category including normal gas mileage, the Z06 wins hands down. &nbsp;Except braking. &nbsp;That was even between the two. &nbsp;

AND GET THIS: &nbsp;Z06 pulled 1.00 G's on the skidpad. &nbsp;The S2000 only pulled .90 G's!

[JpS]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 02 2002,11:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Earlier s14 aren't that beautiful.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Oh no you didnt.... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

hehe.. j/k &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[guidot]

Remember that because there are more civic's and 'teg's on the road, companies have more competition for parts, and people want more parts, so that drives up the pricing. &nbsp;Good old supply and demand. &nbsp;
The reason why i brought this up is because I went looking online for some pricing for some performance stuff for his 'teg and a strut tower bar was $100+, for the OBX model (just an example, i'm sure there are more that are more expensive). &nbsp;I almost didn't want to tell him about it! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[drifterX87]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AND GET THIS: &nbsp;Z06 pulled 1.00 G's on the skidpad. &nbsp;The S2000 only pulled .90 G's!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Corvettes are some of the best cars when it comes to sharp corners. &nbsp;They handle longer than most sporsts cars.

Supra is 3.2 litre.

Mike

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (guidot @ May 05 2002,09:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Remember that because there are more civic's and 'teg's on the road, companies have more competition for parts, and people want more parts, so that drives up the pricing. Good old supply and demand.
The reason why i brought this up is because I went looking online for some pricing for some performance stuff for his 'teg and a strut tower bar was $100+, for the OBX model (just an example, i'm sure there are more that are more expensive). I almost didn't want to tell him about it! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
this is completely wrong. in theory, in a perfectly competitive market price is=marginal cost and firms make a 0 economic profit.

think about it, there are so many suppliers of parts for honda's, what would happen if one supplier raised their prices slightly? nobody would buy anything from them because they can just get the part from somebody else, and the firm that raised their prices goes out of business.

of course this scenario only exists in a market where consumers have perfect information and things like customer loyalty do not exist. but the basic concept of the theory can still be applied.

[drifterX87]

Just to let everyone know...

http://ranger75.5u.com/Humor/untitled.gif

Mike

Edit:In no way did I mean to offend.

[demcj]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterX87 @ May 04 2002,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Just to let everyone know...

http://ranger75.5u.com/Humor/untitled.gif

Mike

Edit:In no way did I mean to offend.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
everytime i see this pic i die laughing. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[guidot]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 03 2002,1:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">this is completely wrong. in theory, in a perfectly competitive market price is=marginal cost and firms make a 0 economic profit.

think about it, there are so many suppliers of parts for honda's, what would happen if one supplier raised their prices slightly? nobody would buy anything from them because they can just get the part from somebody else, and the firm that raised their prices goes out of business.

of course this scenario only exists in a market where consumers have perfect information and things like customer loyalty do not exist. but the basic concept of the theory can still be applied.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Why is it wrong? Did I give false information? Did I not say that the STB was MORE expensive for the integra than it was for the 240sx? Cuz I do believe that there are more integras in the US, much less registered, than 240sx's, in total. Would you agree? Thus if you have a popular vehicle and these companies know this, why would their prices be lower for the integra parts than the prices they can make our things for? Is it also not true that prices are less competitive for parts for our cars? Look at Enjuku prices compared to Overboost. There is at least a $100 difference in every exhaust system listed. So that would boost my statement yes?
All I was stating was that the prices for certain parts for their cars are much more expensive than they are for ours. Then I related it to how many of those vehicles were on the road and how popular they are...

Edit:spelling

[matic 240sx]

32,000... i would buy a 93+ supra tt spend the rest on mods then blow the s2000 off the road.

edit: &nbsp;thats just what i would rather have over a s2000 for the money, i am in no way comparing a roadster to a twin turbo sports monster. &nbsp;but the supra has way more room for imporvment than a s2000 does.. &nbsp;i am a tuner so i would take a supra, 300zx, rx-7, 240sx, mr2, and of course a skyline over a s2000... &nbsp;i rather have a new maxima really over a s2000.. a 14 second family car.. those rock