sr20det vs WRX

[s14vaxlr8]

somebody tell me, who will win stock vs stock

[Arcane]

in a rally race i'd say the wrx...in auto-x i'd still say the wrx but the 240 would be more fun to drive...and in complete drag...wrx...but these are just my opinions...

[Black 97SE]

hmm, this is a tought race.  I'd have to say if it were a street race, and usually street races are never the full 1/4 mile.  They're always like 1/3 mile or like 1-2 traffic lights, the WRX I think would win because of the AWD.  But if it were a real race, and went on for at least a 1/4 or even close to it, the 240sx.  My friend has a stock WRX.  They're only fast in 1st and 2nd gear.  Once they hit 3rd, it's over, they lose all their speed.

[s14vaxlr8]

oh yeah blacktop in an s14

[silviasichigo]

I am in Japan There are WRXs over here like roaches in McDonalds. I have raced several WRXs, Lancers any EVO, I have not lost, and at the time the only mod I had were Apexi filter, and full exhaust. We raced several times. Junia can give his opinions on it. But I know from my exp. that the SR-20 was much better. Stock.

[Arcane]

oops...i didn't see the sr20....hehe...i thought stock ka...heh...well, 240 in all but rally...

[silviasichigo]

BTW I know the Lancer is a Mitsubishi and not a Subaru. Just had to throw that in.

[junia]

I've raced a few before in my silvia and won some but that was at the top end.   If it was just a 1/4 mile race I think I wouldn't have won because of the way they're geared.  Thats just on a straight away, if we had to turn at all he would have got me because that thing takes off  like a rocket.

[crazycuban]

Of course a WRX will be better in a rally with equal drivers...but auto-x? Everyone thinks that AWD makes a car handle better - that's not true. In an auto-x, if the silvia driver can drive, the silvia will win.

EDIT:  aaaah...I see your second post now...

[s14vaxlr8]

why wouldnt an awd car not handle better, come on brian, awd handle way better, somebody help me out, my friend is going crazy here, i just wanna shut his ass up

[Roly]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (crazycuban @ April 23 2002,9:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Of course a WRX will be better in a rally with equal drivers...but auto-x? Everyone thinks that AWD makes a car handle better - that's not true. In an auto-x, if the silvia driver can drive, the silvia will win.

EDIT: aaaah...I see your second post now...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Your statement is half true... The better driver will always win, but in an auto-x, the AWD feature lets the car be pushed further with less worries of under or oversteer. &nbsp;My friends WRX ran a [email protected] with a pathetic 60ft. And now with a free mod that allows to boost to 16psi (14psi stock), an up-pipe, and a set of pulleys... the car is a solid mid 13 sec car. &nbsp;Granted stock for stock, I've never driven a SR20DeT, but I will say that it'll be a close and fun race to watch.

[Aze85]

WRX is faster than the S15 Silvia in japan. I have a video of a stock WRX and stock Silvia doing the quarter and the WRX beats it in the quarter mile. End of Discussion.

~!~!~!~!~!~THE WRZ IS FASTER STOCK~!~!~!~!~!~

[silviasichigo]

Let's see the video. I have beat With an S-14 4 different WRXs No comp. If you saw it in a video how do you know if the car was stock or not? Especially if it was an Opition or Car boy video. Where you at Junia?

[whateverjames]

the WRX would win from stoplight to stoplight. i don't know about you people, but where i live, i have never had the chance to race from a stoplight. except once, and it was against a 240sx (oh yeah, i won!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>. my friend raced a WRX, we were in my town, hardly any red lights especially on a weekend night. from 40, the WRX got smoked. fair race? 340 vs 224hp? no. but he shouldn't have tried. of course he after that he had to show that his handling was nice because he did 40 mph around a turn like nothing. they're ok cars, but a lot of power gets lost through the wheels, and the added weight makes them not very fast cars when already moving. i'd bet a stock redtop SR with less horsepower would beat a WRX on the highway.

[silviasichigo]

You are right a stock red top would beat a WRX. I have seen a red top beat a lot of shit you would not expect. 3.0l TT Soarer highly tuned. They raced four times and the red top smoked his ass. Well... The SR was not all stock he had full exhaust and a really shitty BC he was boosting .9KG/cm2

[BadAssLil240sx]

hey silviasichigo...i saw that video too. but, if you pay any attention and time the race, the silvia runs a 17 second quarter mile. that race was staged. that guy made a lot of other videos of him beating a stage 3 integra gsr and skyline twin turbo. he was racing a silvia s15 spec R. they have 147 rwhp stock, wrx's have 227. i know wrx has awd...but do the math.

[BadAssLil240sx]

typo....the s15's have 247 hp.

[silviasichigo]

So...... What are you saying because I am not catching it sorry? Are you telling me that the Silvia will win or calling me stupid or what?? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

[MK]

Ok, just to clear a few things up.
Which WRX? The standard 4door with 2L turbo or the more highly tuned Sti WRX?
Which SR20DET motor, the 147kw 'redtop', the 160kw 'blacktop' or the current 184kw JDM 'blacktop'.???

Heres how I see it, my friend has a 2001 WRX, standard as and I have an S13 Silvia K's 1991. Its a very, very close race and I tend to have to do a 5000rpm launch to match his 3800rpm launch off the stocks to get enough traction. The WRX has a lot of traction and it launches very hard off the line!
So over the first 20m Im mostly trying to stay straight and he's belting hard and gaining at least a car and half length on me and thats pretty constant for distances 400m or shorter, just cant get that traction initially with road tyres to match his launch. However his shorter gear and dif ratios utterly kill him after 400m, the S13 = winz over longer distances with longer legs so to speak. (or maybe Im just more suicidal and inclined to go faster <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> )

Anyway, scenario 2
My friends 2000 model JDM silvia rips them a new one, its well tuned and has mods to exhaust, intake, aftermarket chip and the 6speed box has a lower ratio (bit clicky though) than my 5speed. Against equivalent 'modded' WRX's it will win 6 times out of 10. Close run match with not a lot in it.

One of the things I have noticed about WRX's is that if I was going to start another profession it would be a gearbox mechanic for a subaru outlet <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
These things kill clutchs and 9 times out of 10 they are owned by a 27-34 yr old guy who's never owned a fast car before, they are also stolen a lot by the 16-25 degenerate crowd... pushing 2L turbo premiums through the roof for insurance. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

An 'all wheel drive' will make a bad driver a better driver in terms of cornering, just like ABS makes bad drivers stop better. All in all I cant say I like the WRX in its current shape, they arent real good looking, its a 4 door and most of the WRX crowd in Sydney sucks <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
Cant complain about the engineering though.

[SR20Fastback]

SR!!!!!! More than likely would win <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[nrcooled]

Mk, I also launch at 5k but have no probs getting traction
running stock alloys with goodyear eagles
run it in first until 7500
throw it into 2nd and chirp 'em
throw it into 3rd and chirp 'em

All aside I did still get beat by a WRX off the line but then the SR took off like a scorched dog and caught him. The tall gears rock when it comes to draging but create tonsssss of tubo lag

[Krunko]

WRX's have 14psi stock??? &nbsp;That's a lot. &nbsp;I don't think I'd want a turbo car with that much psi stock.

[MK]

The older MY94's rolled out with 11psi stock, the latest ones have 13.5psi stock and the Sti's in Australia Ive heard peak at around 15psi. As a side effect Ive heard of a few people splitting the silicone hoses going into the plenum and getting the shits with them.

So yeah, its a bit of a grenade <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Yes, I have traction problems <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
I never used too with softer compound Toyo's and Pirelli's but I was going through a set about every 8months and that gets kinda rich for me so Im using a set of slightly harder compound Falkens which are yet to wear out after 12 months and look to have at least another 5-6months on them.
Tyres make a world of difference to cars.

[DragonReborn214]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Krunko @ April 24 2002,04:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WRX's have 14psi stock??? That's a lot. I don't think I'd want a turbo car with that much psi stock.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah! WRXs suck! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Maybe one day we will have a nice Nissan 2.0l turbo in the US, and we can see firsthand, stock for stock..... Untill then, we must rely on aftermarket tuner transplants, and hearsay from foreign sources...

Oh well. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'>

[crazycuban]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (s14vaxlr8 @ April 23 2002,9:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">why wouldnt an awd car not handle better, come on brian, awd handle way better, somebody help me out, my friend is going crazy here, i just wanna shut his ass up</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Nah, AWD is easier, but at least in the case of the WRX, and in most AWD cars (save the Skyline because of ATESSA) have mad understeer. &nbsp;The Silvia is almost perfectly balanced. &nbsp;AWD doesn't automatically make a car handle better...in the snow, yes, in gravel, yes, but not on tarmac...

[chickenmanq]

About 4 or 5 months ago, when I went back home, I wrote on the board about racing my friend's WRX. &nbsp;I was driving my Dad's 91 NX2000 (SR20DE) with studded snow tires. &nbsp;Chris had street tires. &nbsp;Straight line, yeah he'll take you. &nbsp;However, through corners on a 3 mile pavement section of twists back home, I put distance on my buddy no problem. &nbsp;I don't think WRX's corner that well, period.

Little more clarification on twisties. &nbsp;I'm talking a road that has a 25 mph speed limit and most of the turns are 70 degrees or more. &nbsp;We were going about 80ish, slowing down to 40ish on the corners.

[junia]

One thing about driving an AWD car is that its not easy. &nbsp;You really have to know your shit to be able to throw that thing around turns. &nbsp;If you try and go thru turns at the same speed as a RWD you're going to most likely understeer. &nbsp;Its just like driving a FF, or a RR, you can't drive them like you drive a FR vehicle. &nbsp;I know that alot of people here know what I'm talking about. &nbsp;I've sat in the passenger seat of a EVO-IV driven by a rally driver that I know back home. &nbsp;He wasn't even driving hard(for him) but he had me pushing that imaginary break pedal on the passenger side floor and standing up in my seat through the whole ride. &nbsp;He wasn't pushing the limit because I was in the car. &nbsp;I've been in car that were drifting in the streets and whatnot but what this guy was doing with this AWD car was on another level. &nbsp;I think alot of whether which car would win would depend on the driver him or herself.

[DragonReborn214]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ April 24 2002,08:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">About 4 or 5 months ago, when I went back home, I wrote on the board about racing my friend's WRX. I was driving my Dad's 91 NX2000 (SR20DE) with studded snow tires. Chris had street tires. Straight line, yeah he'll take you. However, through corners on a 3 mile pavement section of twists back home, I put distance on my buddy no problem. I don't think WRX's corner that well, period.

Little more clarification on twisties. I'm talking a road that has a 25 mph speed limit and most of the turns are 70 degrees or more. We were going about 80ish, slowing down to 40ish on the corners.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Trust me, don't compare the 2 cars in twisties... After owning both now, in stock form, the wrx can take the same corners at nearly twice the speed that the 240 can.

The WRX just sliiiides through, and if you let fo of the throttle during the turn, or give it too much it slides more.

But anyways, there must have been something wrong with your friends driving capabilities if you were beating him.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DragonReborn214 @ April 23 2002,6:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Trust me, don't compare the 2 cars in twisties... After owning both now, in stock form, the wrx can take the same corners at nearly twice the speed that the 240 can.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Here's my biased info: <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
just a couple event results from within my class:
YR Car Time 1 Time 2 Time 3 PAX time
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
95 Nissan 240S 79.094 74.824 > 72.244 56.639
02 Subaru WRX > 71.672 72.443 73.074+1 60.491
and some other results:
97 Nissan 240S > 66.820 67.237+1 65.871+1 66.820
02 Subaru WRX 77.487+dnf 75.355+1 > 75.181 59.994
02 Subaru WRX 81.358 75.507 > 72.741 58.047
02 Subaru WRX 73.597+1 > 71.771 71.793 57.273
02 Subaru WRX 76.683+dnf 73.416+dnf > 72.666 57.987

Now.... both S14's here are non-turbo KA's......

remember, the question is about an SR'ed S13 or S14 vs a WRX.....

[SimpleS14]

I didn't read most of the post, but I would go for the WRX.

Gotta love that rally inspired styling, esspecially in the STi. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

[DragonReborn214]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 24 2002,10:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DragonReborn214 @ April 23 2002,6:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Trust me, don't compare the 2 cars in twisties... After owning both now, in stock form, the wrx can take the same corners at nearly twice the speed that the 240 can.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Here's my biased info: <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
just a couple event results from within my class:
YR Car Time 1 Time 2 Time 3 PAX time
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
95 Nissan 240S 79.094 74.824 > 72.244 56.639
02 Subaru WRX > 71.672 72.443 73.074+1 60.491
and some other results:
97 Nissan 240S > 66.820 67.237+1 65.871+1 66.820
02 Subaru WRX 77.487+dnf 75.355+1 > 75.181 59.994
02 Subaru WRX 81.358 75.507 > 72.741 58.047
02 Subaru WRX 73.597+1 > 71.771 71.793 57.273
02 Subaru WRX 76.683+dnf 73.416+dnf > 72.666 57.987

Now.... both S14's here are non-turbo KA's......

remember, the question is about an SR'ed S13 or S14 vs a WRX.....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Don't try to throw statistics together, because information can be found to support either claim.

example:

YR Car &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Time 1 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Time 2 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Time 3 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;PAX time
-------------------------------------------------------------------
95 Nissan 240S &nbsp; 79.094 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;74.824 &nbsp; &nbsp; 72.244 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 56.639
02 Subaru WRX &nbsp; 71.672 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;72.443 &nbsp; &nbsp; 63.094 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 56.491
-------------------------------------------------------------------

And the post I was referring to said that a nx2000 easily took out a wrx.

Notice, I also never made any claims reguarding the difference between the Silvia and the WRX.

And just trust me, the wrx takes corners faster than a 240sx, at least with me behind the wheel.


<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[chickenmanq]

Dragon, make up your mind. &nbsp;240 or NX? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;Anyway, I'll admit that it is possible that Chris is a worse driver than myself, even though he has had the car for a year, and I've driven the NX all of 5 times. &nbsp;

The thing that's throwing me off is all that data includes 240's, not NX's (SR's). &nbsp;I happen to think the NX would go through turns quicker, being it's shorter and weighs less, but still makes a good amount of hp. &nbsp;140 for the NX that year if I remember correctly. &nbsp;I'm not saying I'm right. &nbsp;Anyone else? &nbsp;

Also, it wasn't like leaps and bounds ahead of him, but he couldn't get on my tail. &nbsp;However, through the straight sections, he could catch up. &nbsp;But corners, I mean studded snow tires VS 4WD and street tires. &nbsp;I dunno.

[rabbit23]

would like to offer my 2cents. my best friend drives an 02 wrx. this car is pretty quick, but only dyno's at 168hp. this in a car that weighs 3100lbs. the s14 blacktop stock should dyno at 187 in a car that weighs 2800lbs. granted traction is going to be in favor of the wrx, but quarter mile racing is going to see the wrx out front at first and desperatly trying to hold on to the lead before the silvia catches it. roadracing is a different story, i think stock vs. stock with equal experienced drivers the silvia would be faster. it's just much easier to control and predict the movements of a rwd car (in my opinion oversteer is easier to control than understeer). this is based only on my experience while driving both cars. any kind of highway battle will be in favor of a silvia, because the wrx's strength is removed. that being said i think the wrx is a kick ass platform and only wish nissan had the balls subaru did when it comes to stateside performance. can we get a 350z with turbo's please?!

[Aze85]

The wrx in my video is bone stock b/c the people who race it race alot of stock cars. they do the quarter and stuff for stock supras, skylines, nsx's, porches, feraris, and other stuff. &nbsp;the wrx did the quarter in above 14 secs and if it was modded it would be alot faster. the WRX IS FASTER, especially the WRX STI

[jupiterl]

I would say for short-run (1/4 mile, 0-60 ) WRX ( Sti ver.) and EVO will kill all skyline (v-spec2 ), silvia ( s14, 15 ) .... and the list goes on.

[NOSfEDs12vh45dett]

I'm not a big Subi fan, but the Sti 02' WRX is freakin quick, against the JDM 200sx it's a close call, the STi is quicker over the first 120 meters or so, then after that the 200sx starts to catch up............. a WRX Sti VS a 01' R34 GT-R V-spec II N1, NZ spec'ed STi 193Kw @ wheels vs R34 217Kw @ wheels, on paper the GTR has less, but the Dyno doesn't lie, their both standard.

But I like the SR20DET better though.........

[DragonReborn214]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chickenmanq @ April 25 2002,11:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dragon, make up your mind. 240 or NX? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well, go drive his WRX and I guess you can come back later and tell us which you think is better (nx or wrx). The only driver you can get to match you would be yourself. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

BTW: I love the sr20det, and would have kept my 240 if it had just been freaking factory turbo. I love my wrx though.

[Tyler Durdan]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (crazycuban @ April 22 2002,10:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Of course a WRX will be better in a rally with equal drivers...but auto-x? Everyone thinks that AWD makes a car handle better - that's not true. In an auto-x, if the silvia driver can drive, the silvia will win.

EDIT: aaaah...I see your second post now...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
This is true... The second weekend I had my car I raced in autox with the KA24de. &nbsp;Out of three of the wrx's there, I took two of them by four seconds. &nbsp;The one that beat me was a guy who had been doing autox for a couple of years and also was strongly modded (my 240sx is completely stock).

[chickenmanq]

Funny thing, I refuse to drive his WRX, and he probably wouldn't let me anyway. &nbsp;I'm pissed because the little shitweasel got that car, and he didn't deserve it, and he's putting rims with low pro tires on it. &nbsp;It aggravates me to no end how people manage to get things and not use them like they're intended. &nbsp;But maybe I can talk the local salesman into a good test drive. &nbsp;hehe. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[Ballistic-Mobile.com]

Okay people....The only way to settle this is for someone who has access to both cars take it to a drag strip, autocross track, and if you are daring take it ralling, &nbsp;make about four good runs in each car and report the findings. &nbsp;This is the only way i can think of right this second to judge evenly the performance of each car. &nbsp;Someone who owns a sr20det in their 240sx poste what city you are in and then if someone on the board has a stock wrx then they can see if their city matches the sr20deted 240sx's city. &nbsp;Peace


p.s. i am going to say though, that if i had unlimited funds and could modify each car, then the wrx would win in all forms of racing except drag (only b/c i dont care about it, real men turn the steering wheel)

[Tuck&Poke]

wrx hands down in all...1/4 0-60 handling...i dont see how...but it does by numbers although im sure a skilled driver will be able to beat a so-so driver but not by much. &nbsp;that wrx sti btw is crazy fast....estimated 320hp in 3000lb car...0-60 in 4.8-4.9 1/4 somewhere in the low 13's....awsome and it does that for well under the price of an m3