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Zemus
04-18-2002, 06:59 AM
I just got word of the making of the dreaded "The Fast and the Furious 2." And they have now slaughterd my dreams, my car, my dream car, my baby, the Skyline, is going to be the head car like the supra was in the movie before.  Now i will be aproched by retards and small children with their remarks of how "I like skylines".  And i bet they wont even be able to tell u the make of the skyline.  I think this is the end of everything, I cry for the car, and i cry in pain for the skyline, now it will be mocked, cheaply loved, and soon severly overused, did god die?

crazycuban
04-18-2002, 07:40 AM
After the first one the Supra wasn't mocked and cheaply loved, and there's no way someone cheap can afford the skyline anyway. People loved that car anyway after gran turismo...actually, I'm expecting to have some fun with people when they come up to me asking if my car is an R33...

Zemus
04-18-2002, 08:04 AM
Dont u ever get kids comming up to u asking if u like cars, and they are like
Kid:"I LOVE F&F!!!"
Me:"What the ghetto"
Kid:"I like that one Supra thingy, who makes that"
Me: "OMG JUST DIE"
Kid: "Yay im getting NOS"
Me: "Ok im walking away now"

Think if the skyline took its place, then everyone would like it, many ppl like it, but only ppl who know about cars, now ppl who dont know about cars will like it also, which makes it a sad sad SAD day &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'>

boosteds14
04-18-2002, 08:09 AM
o well, what are u going to do, make them stop production?
at least it would give Nissan more exporsure than the brand names Honda/Acura and Toyota

ledzep
04-18-2002, 09:02 AM
I hate to wish it, but they need to do one with a 300ZX!!!! &nbsp;Then I can sell my car for more money, hehe. &nbsp;Im not worried about the skyline in the movie, like the other guys said, nobody an afford one anyways, and no ricers are gonna wanna drive a LHD car. &nbsp;They sure do screw up nice cars in that movie though.

Broadwayblues
04-18-2002, 10:41 AM
I bet that there are going to be a lot of people wondering what kind of car that was after the movie was over. If anything that movie will give us all something to laugh at. Better open up a seperate area in the chat forum for the F+F 2. I bet people won't stop talking about it.

Jeff240sx
04-18-2002, 10:42 AM
I don't think its that bad anyway. &nbsp;There was a skyline in F&F one, and nobody seemed to bitch about it. &nbsp;Who the hell will be able to afford a skyline anyway? &nbsp;
Also,
Isn't the skyline comming to america? &nbsp;So then, wouldn't this be great publicity for Nissan?
-Jeff

Justin.b
04-18-2002, 11:10 AM
The Skyline is already here.

The Infinity G35 is on the Skyline chassis, and a coupe version was shown at ther New York auto show a couple of weeks ago.

I've heard it rumored that the GTR version will be powered by a turbocharged QR25 motor. Whether this happens and if it makes it to these shores remains to be seen.

-Justin

Nismos14
04-18-2002, 12:03 PM
a turboed qr would be nice rumors are always the v-8 na w/ 400 hp an a VQ w/ 400 tt hp

West
04-18-2002, 12:16 PM
Alright, there are enough true enthusiasts in the world that HATE this movie and wish it would burn in hell.

I say we all combine our forces and make a movie called the "Slow and Timid".

We could at least then make fun of the people that actually are influenced by this movie and put GTR badges on their Civics or Mustangs.

The possibilities are endless to what we could do with this movie.

So whos with me? I got a $100 Id donate to the movie fund! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

rancid240
04-18-2002, 12:17 PM
hopefully they put really ugly pointing indian guy decals all over it

sykikchimp
04-18-2002, 12:30 PM
just do like Jay and Silent Bob and go down to the studio and stop it from being made. Because it matters SO much to you that little ricer wannabe's, and kids that wanna be cool will be talking about your beloved dream car. The first one was stupid, and had TONS of errors and flaws. But by continuously bringing it up and talking about how it was a peice of crap is doing EXACTLY what they want. Giving them Publicity, and gaurenteeing money in their pockets. Besides you don't go to a movie to gain insight into Turbo engines, and how to set them up, or what engines swap into what. You go for the entertainment value. So that you have something to do on a saturday night. I will see F&F2 b/c I thought the first one was funny and entertaining. Not because I'll become more intelligent about cars.

edit - A "Slow and the Timid" Spoof would be some EXTREMELY funny shiet! &nbsp;I would put that in my DVD collection in a heartbeat.

-E-
04-18-2002, 12:32 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WeST @ April 17 2002,2:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Alright, there are enough true enthusiasts in the world that HATE this movie and wish it would burn in hell.

I say we all combine our forces and make a movie called the "Slow and Timid".

We could at least then make fun of the people that actually are influenced by this movie and put GTR badges on their Civics or Mustangs.

The possibilities are endless to what we could do with this movie.

So whos with me? I got a $100 Id donate to the movie fund! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I got $1.35 sorry Im broke &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

240meowth
04-18-2002, 12:49 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WeST @ April 18 2002,11:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Alright, there are enough true enthusiasts in the world that HATE this movie and wish it would burn in hell.

I say we all combine our forces and make a movie called the "Slow and Timid".

We could at least then make fun of the people that actually are influenced by this movie and put GTR badges on their Civics or Mustangs.

The possibilities are endless to what we could do with this movie.

So whos with me? I got a $100 Id donate to the movie fund! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i'm down w/ that &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> i've always wanna dog on the ricer! "slow and the timid"!!! box office hit, it'll be one of those kick ass independent films, like crouching tiger hidden dragon!

AZN GTR
04-18-2002, 01:56 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Justin.b @ April 18 2002,12:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Infinity G35 is on the Skyline chassis, and a coupe version was shown at ther New York auto show a couple of weeks ago.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
In case you guys wanted to see it, but my camera is cheap, so the pics aren't good. &nbsp;By the way, I was kinda disappointed &nbsp;about it's body style, it looks nothing like the other skylines.
http://wsavage.freeservers.com/Pict0004.JPG
http://wsavage.freeservers.com/Pict0005.JPG
http://wsavage.freeservers.com/Pict0006.JPG

transient
04-18-2002, 02:03 PM
For anyone that didn't see those pics:

http://wsavage.freeservers.com/Pict0004.JPG
http://wsavage.freeservers.com/Pict0005.JPG
http://wsavage.freeservers.com/Pict0006.JPG

drifterX87
04-18-2002, 02:06 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">just do like Jay and Silent Bob and go down to the studio and stop it from being made. Because it matters SO much to you that little ricer wannabe's, and kids that wanna be cool will be talking about your beloved dream car. The first one was stupid, and had TONS of errors and flaws. But by continuously bringing it up and talking about how it was a peice of crap is doing EXACTLY what they want. Giving them Publicity, and gaurenteeing money in their pockets. Besides you don't go to a movie to gain insight into Turbo engines, and how to set them up, or what engines swap into what. You go for the entertainment value. So that you have something to do on a saturday night. I will see F&F2 b/c I thought the first one was funny and entertaining. Not because I'll become more intelligent about cars.

edit - A "Slow and the Timid" Spoof would be some EXTREMELY funny shiet! I would put that in my DVD collection in a heartbeat. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

That is correct, but suddenly you see all of these nice rarer cars that they show in this movie and since they dont know jack shit they FUCK THEM UP! Its a disgrace to everyone who knows and loves cars. I mean, I liked imports and stuff (Supra MMMMMM) before the fast and the furious was thought of. Now, all of these rice kids at my school are like, hey cool, what are you going to do with your car? Put some NOS in it, drop it? Get some cool Altezza tailighsts? And Im nearly dying by all of these kids that arent buying civics and integras but are actually getting Honda 2000 and 240 and cars of the like.

Heres the plan, we capture a taliban suicide bomber and tell him that bush is in the studio where they have the actors and directors and shit and tell him to blow it up.

Mike

Edit: &nbsp;Id love to make a spoof! &nbsp;What we do is get a bunch of eighties civics and transplant some diesel engines in them and tell the little rice burning fags these are the new cool!

BlankFlip
04-18-2002, 02:26 PM
hopefully they'll make the skyline bad ass (probably an r34 gt-r right?) and have no decals at all. just have it all black, some sweet rims, n nice mods to back it all up.

sykikchimp
04-18-2002, 02:50 PM
GOOD GOD that thing is sexy. &nbsp;Personally I would rather have that car over the 350z anyday of the week. &nbsp;IMO that is the most beautiful production Nissan car I've ever seen.

It's good to actually see it in photos that aren't professional. &nbsp;Professional pictures always make it look nicer than it is.

Yoshi
04-18-2002, 03:05 PM
I'm actually amazingly ok with the Skyline being hte head car...I find it humorous that there was an r33 in the 1st movie, and no one really noticed it... then I thought, "hey, they actually DID try to somewhat be realistic... almost the whole team Toretto had were nissans..." this thought made me mildly happy. &nbsp;

People will never be able to afford Skylines... not the ricers at least. The GT-R and s15 Spec-V are going out of production anyhow... (insert moment of silence here). Which will only raise the value of the existing cars.

Maybe they also got enough feedback from the true racing communities that they'll ease off on the rice factor... realistically, probably not and well see more r34 heads and tails grafted onto civics and cavaliers, but the movie IS reality, let us pray for the future of the true enthusiasts. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

KiDyNomiTe
04-18-2002, 05:16 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BlankFlip @ April 18 2002,3:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hopefully they'll make the skyline bad ass (probably an r34 gt-r right?) and have no decals at all. just have it all black, some sweet rims, n nice mods to back it all up.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Someone told me that they are going to be using Craig Liebermans Blackbird GTR (the one with the big wing). Its already got tons of decals on it. Its on Speed Options I think.

KiDyNomiTe
04-18-2002, 05:17 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ledzep @ April 18 2002,10:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hate to wish it, but they need to do one with a 300ZX!!!! Then I can sell my car for more money, hehe. Im not worried about the skyline in the movie, like the other guys said, nobody an afford one anyways, and no ricers are gonna wanna drive a LHD car. They sure do screw up nice cars in that movie though.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
you mean rhd cars

ledzep
04-18-2002, 06:39 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiDyNomiTe @ April 18 2002,6:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteBegin--ledzep+April 18 2002,10<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ledzep @ April 18 2002,10<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>2)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hate to wish it, but they need to do one with a 300ZX!!!! Then I can sell my car for more money, hehe. Im not worried about the skyline in the movie, like the other guys said, nobody an afford one anyways, and no ricers are gonna wanna drive a LHD car. They sure do screw up nice cars in that movie though.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
you mean rhd cars</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yeah thanks for catching that

Integraholic
04-18-2002, 06:57 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">now it will be mocked, cheaply loved, and soon severly overused</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Welcome to the nightmare Honda tuners live in.

burn240
04-18-2002, 07:28 PM
OOOHH NOOO A part 2!! great!! the first one was freaking retarted now there making a part 2!! I think i'll move to afghanistan!!! i feel bad for all you skyline junkies, but the rest of us still have our 240's!

Tuck&Poke
04-18-2002, 08:39 PM
you think its bad....theyre filming it where i live...bastards why the hell did they have to pick miami! &nbsp;i passed by why they were setting up the barracades for the crowd and i say a black impala lowrider...i hope its not in the movie <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/butbut.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':but:'> but then again...its F&F.

MyFirst240SX
04-18-2002, 08:50 PM
Hey u should randomly jump in the Movie drifting style=)
Hey i swear i saw that G35 coup over here. I live near one of the biggest Gyspie camps and they have the Hook ups on Lexus's and proubly bout anything they want. &nbsp;Who knows
that G35 is a sweat car.

Coldsun
04-18-2002, 11:40 PM
OH MY FUCKIN GOD

WILL ALL YOU HOES STOP BITCHING!

God now i can see why i come here once every month....
I dont even know where to begin, i'll tell you this... the sad thing about this is... ALL YOU SEEN THE F&F, ALL OF YOU WILL PROBABLY GO SEE F&F2... you ALL knew it wasn't gonna be a great movie, but you all went to see it... Some of ya'll seen it more then once too.......

You all are bitchng about how they ruined cars, its all about honda civics, and how they put altezzas on the cars and blah blah.... shut the fuck up...... The didn't IMO atleast ruin ANY CAR, when i seen the green eclispe i was like GOD damn THATS HOT, when i seen the orange supra i was like Whoa.......They all looked nice, the fuck are you all bitch about?! you talking about the hondas and civics... uhmm the main cars where a 240, a maxima, a skyline, and a jetta really the cars driven by the crew... 3 nissan cars and 2 were your loved 240sx and skylines so shut the fuck up... As for the Altezzas i swear i looked for them once there is like only 1 pair in the whole movie.... so once again SHUT THE FUCK UP....

I'm so tired of every crying about this damn movie... its not that serious....let the pretenders pretend.. I know about cars... so i laugh at them... on a whole F&F aint change shit around here where i live (NY) There was rice before, there is rice now... please man, there were fakes before the movie, there are fakes now...... know whats up.. so it doesn't scare me....

basically i guess i jus got a more mature attitude about this then most people do.... Its jus a movie!!! on the real i already KNOW i'll watch the F&F2 if not int he theather then when it comes on HBO or something... but i'll watch it all... the main things i found wrong with the F&F was the lack of knowledge about cars the writers had , NOS, really thats its..thecars were cool, the plot was aight (i didn't expect much) , the acting was ok...(vin diesel staring down the brian when he found out he was a cop, LOL he scared me).. basically i'll be seeing it.. and aitn scared to say it...if they fixed all of the errors, alot of ya'll would still hate, cuz thats what haters do...

anyway
i have a friend who is a boxer and we was watching some movie were these guys were boxing, and he was jus bitching about how its so unrealistic, and how that guy would have been dead by now if he for hit that many times...i wanted to smack him and tell he to shut the fuck up... cuz its jus a movie, i was enjoying seeing rocky fuck people up.... But on the same that showed me how people take things seriosu that there into... but its silly to me... i mean i know what the truth is....

Anyway i'm sorry about this... my bad for the harsh words.. but i am jus tired about all the crying over this one movie, i dont know about ya'll but i'll live even if they have a F&F5 and me and my friend will continue tuning...and havign fun with our cars.... you guys jus gotta get off the hate F&F bandwagon, its silly... i bet you all read Max Boost too... lol ...

And dont get this twist... i'm not trying to say F&F rocked, it had alotta really stupid lines/technical errors/ect...but god there are alotta movies like that.. calm down everyone

I"M OUT SEE YOU IN A MONTH
-SUN!

Takumi
04-18-2002, 11:58 PM
Well said Coldsun, you have a very valid point. The bickering over rice has gotten way too far and at times, it's gotten to a point where some enthusiasts aren't enjoying what they're doing with their own cars as much as they should and are too busy worried about others. Yes, I did almost tear my hair out watching The Fast & The Furious and the acting wasn't top notch at all. &nbsp;I have to admit, that movie was kind of a joke, but you know what? &nbsp;If I don't like it, it's just my opinion though. &nbsp;I don't really try to rub it in the faces of people who did like that movie. I'll just make fun of it in my own time.

A year ago or so, I used to bitch and whine about how my friend was putting neon lights, stickers, Aerogear hood, and lots of dumb crap on his Prelude and not listening to my advice to upgrade certain aspects of the car that "I" felt needed improvement like a set of springs to go with his AGX shocks, a more efficient exhaust to go with his JDM Type S cams, a fuel regulator or fuel tuning system (Apex'i S-AFC), etc. After a while, I just gave up. The guy was happy with his car and he's not surprised if he asks me for an opinion and I give him negative feedback. &nbsp;It's just my opinion anyway, so what does it matter to him?

Anyway, it's fun to joke around about how much F&F2 is going to suck, but man, some people just act as if it's armageddon or something and take it too seriously. &nbsp;Chill out, it's just a movie. Imagine all the grafitti artists and breakdancers felt when Beat Street came out two decades ago. Also, what about the martial artists' view on movies like Bloodsport, Bruce Lee movies, Karate Kid, etc? Ah well.

Coldsun
04-19-2002, 12:06 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Takumi @ April 18 2002,01:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Chill out, it's just a movie. Imagine all the grafitti artists and breakdancers felt when Beat Street came out two decades ago. Also, what about the martial artists' view on movies like Bloodsport, Bruce Lee movies, Karate Kid, etc? Ah well.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LOL agreed
beatstreet was really, really, jus crazy... LOL

Jeff240sx
04-19-2002, 12:12 AM
I too, will see F&F2. &nbsp;I have yet to slander the name of it, with pharses like "the slow and the frustrated" and "the gay and the curious." &nbsp;It's retarded. &nbsp;Everyone is out to make a buck. &nbsp;If they wanted my car in the damn movie, and I would make a buck, then wouldn't you be bashing my car too? &nbsp;
I know that when I went to see F&F in the theaters, I brough Joe and Rampid360. &nbsp;We all decided it was cool, and that I should tear it up and race people home. &nbsp;A month later, Rampid is roasting the movie, not over "Producers sold out to NOS" or "The guy wants a sr20 in his Civic." &nbsp;But more about the "2 minute quarter mile." (Sorry Rampid) &nbsp;Then idiots on this board put crap in their signatures about F&F, bashing it. &nbsp;SHUT UP! &nbsp;YOU LIKED IT WITH YOUR FRIENDS! &nbsp;AND YOU STILL LIKE IT! &nbsp;YOU'RE A CLOSET F&F FAN!!

Also, people need cerebral dissonance. &nbsp;If you don't know what it means, look it up. &nbsp;Ask around about how it would apply to you. &nbsp;Finally, if nobody is around and you burned your dictionary cuz you leaned the word "ricer" and found little use in larger words... call a Lawyer. &nbsp;He'll tell you.
-Jeff

AceInHole
04-19-2002, 12:58 AM
To Coldsun:
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

oh wait... LoL.

The Fast and the Furious sucked, in every possible way. &nbsp;The cars weren't great, the story sucked, the characters sucked, the plot was irrelevant, etc etc etc. &nbsp;Among car movies, it's not worth paying to see. &nbsp;

Yes, I've seen it. &nbsp;No, I've never paid to see it. &nbsp;

If you cream your pants because of the cars there?? &nbsp;You need to get out more. &nbsp;

I seriously cringed when he pulled the laptop out, and prayed a little "Sorry man" to Derek Greaser. &nbsp;Then after getting ridiculed for playing Mp3's through my own "laptop setup" for being a F&F wannabe, I really did hate the movie (previously I was just a Cop wannabe). &nbsp;Beyond that, the amount of people street racing literally doubled, along with the amount of "police awareness", which HAS effected car enthusiasts, even if they aren't moronic street racers. &nbsp;So, YES, F&F did ruin cars, so please SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Seriously, pretenders can pretend, and then they can annoy the fuck out of others. &nbsp;Generally, they prefer to pretend while annoying the fuck out of others. &nbsp;As much as you want to ignore them, or deck them, you've been annoyed, and your quality of life has gone down because some moron is comparing your car to F&F and hurting what little pride you have.
As for the boxing movie... how much does it actually apply to a "culture" as a whole??? &nbsp;How much will it affect it, no matter how unrealistic it may be?? &nbsp;How many people became boxers after Rocky?? &nbsp;F&F is different in that it's exploiting an "underground lifestyle" as one large ad for NOS. &nbsp;

hell, even Initial D takes some responsibility, showing Iketani crashing his S14 pushing it too hard, and constantly repeating how dangerous it can be pushing hard on a mountain (along the lines of "if you make one little mistake you'll end up at the bottom of the ravine").


Plain and simple, the media shapes the lives of say 90% of Americans. &nbsp;Therefore, we have a right to fight something that is going to threaten what we enjoy. &nbsp;Thanks to F&F, instances such as cops pulling over people for "muffler too loud" will be increased, just because they're going to profile modified imports.

SR20Fastback
04-19-2002, 01:26 AM
Im sorry, but Ace is right. Even though its just a movie, it really did change a lot. When I got my 1 and only ticket, the cop had asked me if my turnsignals were white because of F&F. I was like umm wtf, no they've been this way since i bought the car...anyways. People are entitled to their oppinion, and if its negative so be it. Dont let that bother you so much that you have to go psycho. I'll probably see F&F too, its not a crime, and it is just entertainment. I dont remember who said it in this post, but Im not going to go see a movie to learn how to install a turbo. Anyways, most of us will see it anyways, so why bitch about how bad it is until you actually see how bad it is?

Anubis
04-20-2002, 12:05 AM
I can see it all now..this post hast to be locked sooner or later

Anubis
04-20-2002, 12:06 AM
I can see it all now..this post will be locked sooner or later

onebadm5
04-20-2002, 12:11 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (anubis9228 @ April 19 2002,11:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can see it all now..this post will be locked sooner or later

I can see it all now..this post will be locked sooner or later</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
is there an echo in this forum???

s15dude
04-20-2002, 12:58 AM
Didn't Grant lock this thread earlier today?

West
04-20-2002, 01:14 AM
Its closed now...

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