Noob to the 240 needs some advice

[EntrySpeed]

Alright, noob here, not to the world of cars, by any means, but new to the Nissan 240SX.
SO…I currently have a 2002 Focus SVT that I’m selling and when that happens I will have between $12,000 and $15,000 on my hands (between the car and how much I can save between now and then) and I was wondering what your recommendations were on what I should do to get the most for my money.

I want to…build a 240SX with an SR20DET and possibley have a second car to work into a competition drift car (D1 GP style). I was considering buying 2 89-94 240SX HB’s and building one into a SilEighty while I drove the other then driving the Sileighty as my daily while I build a 180SX to be my Drift car, but…I was wondering if I could get some advice from you, who have done these builds as to how I should go about the following:

1.Which model years should I actually buy?? Should I go with the cheaper 89-94’s? Should I get a 95-96 or a 97-98 because they are more similar to the JDM Silvias and the swaps are supposed to be easier? Should I get the 2D coupe over the HB model for any reason and what are good price ranges? As far as my research has led me to believe I should pay about $1,000-2,000 for a good condition 89-94, $2,500-$5,000 for a good condition 95-96 and $5,500-8,000 for a nice 97-98, but as you can see by those prices I have a lot more money to spend if I buy the older cars, keep in mind that I will be needing to buy 2 cars also.

2.Body parts…I would like to build a Sileighy, so I’ll need the JDM headlights, font grill mounting brackets and various fenders and bumpers. I have tons of options here but I was wondering if I could get any advice about places to steer clear of or companies that are bad. I am tempted to use places like GTP (import fan), Extreme Dimensions and Vis because they offer an abundance of parts (yes I know they are rip-off’s) at good prices, and I have heard that much of their stuff is actually pretty high quality. Not to mention some of their carbon fiber reproduction parts are only available through them. But they do have some shady business practices, I know all about the crap they pull. So, if I go with companies like ChargeSpeed and D-Drug, not only am I going authentic but I am spending more, though only about 15%, But what are your takes on this?

3.Are there any things I should know about this project that I don’t? I have built some cars in the past (Eclipse GSX, GenII MR2 w/Lexus 1MoZ V6 Swap, Legacy B22Turbo and my current SVT Focus) but I have never done any body work before and I have never performed a NA to Turbo Swap (The MR2 was really easy and I had a shop do it for me). Who should I get my Engines from? I was going to use Heavy Throttle since they are pretty near me and seem pretty reliable, but just let me know what I am getting into.

4.And lastly, is a SR20DET SilEighty going to be a reasonably reliable daily driver? I know it snows here, but I can deal with that, we have another car for that, but is this going to be something I have to constantly be under the hood of, or underneath, fixing etc.? Don’t get me wrong, I take really good care of my cars but I don’t want to get into some sort of mechanical nightmare that never ends, that’s why I don’t have my GSX any longer.
And I will have some help on this all, my girlfriend’s father builds custom hotrods from the ground up in his garage and I will, most likely, be enlisting his help on this project, so I will have someone with some body and painting experience with me on this.

Sorry for the massive post, but please, if you have some time let me know what’s like to build one of these incredible machines.

[theicecreamdan]

1. buy whatever car you like
2 sileighty, looks like you'll need a fastback 89-94
3 the SR has been swapped 1,900,245,999,673,241,989.7 times, search
4. older 240s always break, fix all the broken stuff before you swap, except maybe the engine.
5. find the search button near the top of the screen

[EntrySpeed]

yeah...thanks I guess...

I know what car I would need to buy if I were to build a SilEighty, thanks for that, my actual question was; "Are there any inherent differences between the year models that would cause any particular year model to be superior to the rest, or in the same respect, any year models that are notably inferior, for whatever reasons." And now in plane English for those of you that cannot understand..."What should I look for and what should I steer clear of, obviously, damaged goods aside."

Also, I know where the search button is, but I was asking for opinions and information from people who have preformed these swaps. Yeah, I know “as far as swaps go this is pretty straight forward” and that “the SR20DET engine fits into the engine compartment of the Nissan 240SX” and that you can do the 5-lug conversion to the older models…But is the 5 lug conversion a waste of money and time? Is it useful or necessary for a street application, what are the advantages and disadvantages of this conversion and on which models?

Also, for specific applications such as drifting, road race/track, auto-x’ing, etc. are there any models that tend to perform better than others.

I have noticed differences in weight and wheelbase between the year models, how does this affect performance, etc.? These are the types of questions I am not going to EASILY find the answers to using the search button.

So thanks in advance and sorry if my tone is annoyed, but it really sucks to be the new one on a forum because everyone is condescending to you, but that’s the way life is.

[smellslikecurry]

all your information can be found using the search function...welcome to zilvia just dont be a lazy ass troll

[MakotoS13]

actually it sucks when people come in here expecting us to just hand over answers. this isn't hondatech.com, fastcougar.com, or any number of other pussy domestic rice forums that easily fork over data that you could have if you just searched or used some logic.

since you have pretty much neglected your duties as far as using your own brain you'll find it troublesome to get any good info without much flaming.

those that do not help themselves do not deserve help.

[SochBAT]

He's probably the most informed noob sofar.

1) SilEighty = 89-94
2) roughly 700 frontend conversion, and 400 if you want kouki tail
3) 240s break hella fast, don't expect it to be a road demon with an SR. Search, alot of writeups have been done.
4) SRs are more reliable than KA-Ts. Engines fuck up sometimes, hopefully you pick a decent motorset.

[420sx]

another advice, research more on your swap. only buy parts you really need

[EntrySpeed]

He's probably the most informed noob sofar.

1) SilEighty = 89-94
2) roughly 700 frontend conversion, and 400 if you want kouki tail
3) 240s break hella fast, don't expect it to be a road demon with an SR. Search, alot of writeups have been done.
4) SRs are more reliable than KA-Ts. Engines fuck up sometimes, hopefully you pick a decent motorset.


I do appreciate SOMEONE not completely flaming me. And I am reading as fucking fast as I can. I have pages and pages of shit bout the 240 and it's only recently that I have dicided that I was going to do this...this is not my first car, not my first build and I am not just some 16 year old with no skill and a dream of having a 500hp car. I'm 24 I have been driving for over 10 years (yes) and I have taken several driver training courses, defensive driving for small and oversized veichles, and continuing driver education and I know what I'm doing. I'm trying very hard to learn as much as possible about this setup but without the engines/cars in front of me (I am a very visual person) it's difficult for me to just "conceptualize" everything and I want to fully understand my situation before I get into things.

[smellslikecurry]

we dont need your life story...just use search

[hoochiscrazy]

welcome to zilvia, here you will find some of the lamest people on earth who will not only not answer the question you asked, but go out of their way to tell you how wrong it is to ask the question. i recommend going to freshalloy.com , they might be a little nicer. or you can go to the "uncool" forums where people are actually nice and still stoked on thier cars like nico. but beware, theyre not as cool as this bunch think they are .

[aznpoopy]

"Are there any inherent differences between the year models that would cause any particular year model to be superior to the rest, or in the same respect, any year models that are notably inferior, for whatever reasons."

in terms of sr-swaps, heavythrottle.com for info ^^^
s15 sr is more involved going into a s13 compared to a s14. i think. i'm not a sr guy so go read up.

s14 is stiffer then s13, supposedly.

the 94 vert is inferior, because its a gay convertible.

the 89-90 are all sohc motors, but that doesnt matter since you seem dead set on a sr20.

But is the 5 lug conversion a waste of money and time? Is it useful or necessary for a street application, what are the advantages and disadvantages of this conversion and on which models?

-wheel selection
-300zx brake rotors that don't need redrilling
-yes it is a waste of time and money


Also, for specific applications such as drifting, road race/track, auto-x’ing, etc. are there any models that tend to perform better than others.


I have noticed differences in weight and wheelbase between the year models, how does this affect performance, etc.?

from what i've seen, not really.


So thanks in advance and sorry if my tone is annoyed, but it really sucks to be the new one on a forum because everyone is condescending to you, but that’s the way life is.

pretty much, glad you know it.

[Irukandji]

Hey welcome to zilvia.

Anyway, like the guys said before, if you want to build a sileighty you only have one choice: 1989-1993 240sx fastback. There are two different body styles from 89-90 to 91-93. Most people prefer the 91-93 because you wont have to worry about swapping power steering systems when you do the sr swap, but chasis-wise theyre the same. As for the newer 240's, they tend to be more expensive, but sr swaps are not known for being easier on those years... im not sure where you came up with that. anyway, the sr swap is fairly simple in both the s13 and s14 chassis.

You can find all your answers here on zilvia by just patiently searching past threads. Good luck with your project and hope we can help you out in the future.

[aznpoopy]

Sorry for the massive post, but please, if you have some time let me know what’s like to build one of these incredible machines.

:ughd:

its just a car, don't buy into the hype.

[aznpoopy]

As for the newer 240's, they tend to be more expensive, but sr swaps are not known for being easier on those years... im not sure where you came up with that. anyway, the sr swap is fairly simple in both the s13 and s14 chassis.


if you're talking to me, i was referring to the s15 sr20det specifically


The engine and transmission will fit into 95-98 S14 US 240SX chassis with minor modifications to the transmission mounts. The differential is needed as the speed sensor is located there. A digital black box is available to convert the speed signal to work with the stock US S14 dash speedometer.

The S13 chassis requires more work. The driveshaft has different mounting location from the S14 / S15 chassis. Custom one-piecs driveshaft or modified S14 DS must be used, Black box also needed for speedometer.

[Maeda]

Why build 2 drift cars?
Just build one and while you're busying trying to crash it build the other one with the side money.
Don't bother with waste of money crap like a silvia conversion. Get the barebones and start working toward that goal.

Coilovers + lsd for the "daily driver" and then beat it to hell and don't worry about having a SR(see if you can spend less then 5 large here). You also won't have to worry about tickets or any other bullshit like things breaking and the downtime...
The money saved can go into a sweet chassis prep and cage for the 2nd car and you get 10 G's to blow on motor and suspension.

God knows 15 grand aint a lot of money for TWO fully built dorito action cars.
Tires and track events are expensive! You're going to need a lot of money there to get up to scratch to competing as well.

[EntrySpeed]

Why build 2 drift cars?
Just build one and while you're busying trying to crash it build the other one with the side money.
Don't bother with waste of money crap like a silvia conversion. Get the barebones and start working toward that goal.


Yeah, maybe you're right, I always wanted a SilEighty, but I guess if it is the competition I'm after, and it is, then I should be a little more realistic about things. My daily wasn't going to be completely built though, but I guess I should just look for some decent cheap 91-94's.

Also, anyone know how much difference there is in terms of chasis rigidity between the HB and the coupe? The coupe seems to be a little lighter from what I have found and I'm assuming because it's a coupe and not a HB it'll be more rigit but that is unconfirmed as of yet.

[Maeda]

It'll end up the same in the end.

By then end I mean spot welding and a cage.

Don't worry about sil-eighty envy. It's just a phase, just like s15 face. Soon, you'll figure out that the lines do not work at all together...

[EntrySpeed]

Yeah I guess so.

And I think the S15 thing is pretty gay, I mean it looks good on an, well...S15 but on any of the USDM 240's it looks out of place, but the S13 front end, especially on the 180 butt looks so sweet...it's kind of like if I could put Jeniffer Conley's face on J-Lo's ass...and make it a car.

[Maeda]

That was fast.

Yah you get a nice face on a sweet ass, but when you put them together you'll notice things are outta perportion.

ANYWAY.

Go find that daily driver and some cheap coilovers and a diff and get driving!

[MakotoS13]

why don't you try finding a decent fastback first? thats the hard part, then once you put all new bushings in a good car you can worry about putting the queer SR in it... OR you could be original and put a good motor like say... a 302, ls1, lt1, or VQ in it.

[chlatboy]

Hahaha. You can always keep the car you have now and forget you even know what a 240 is. Trust us, its a pain in the ass to own one and the bandwagon is already full.

[kazuo]

He's probably the most informed noob sofar.

I agree.

While the guy was more or less the usual "I'mma get a S-chassis SR20 and driff driff driff yall" newbie user, he's clearly not an idiot, and he's clearly already been doing some research and isn't toally clueless, so why does everyone continue to be an ass, just help the guy out a little.

1. You want a Sileighty, you want '89-'94 hatchback, end of story.

2. Get OEM body parts for the front end conversion. For aero, go with version:select/ORIGIN/D-DRUG.

3. Nah, its all straightforward. Bolt it on. It'll be cake compared to the V6 swap in the SW. ;) HeavyThrottle is pricey but worth it for the customer service, and the fact that they won't bail on you if something goes wrong. Also maybe look into JARCO, they're in the ATL iirc.

4. It'll be reliable if you have a good engine and replace all the worn/broken parts on the shell. Despite what Makaki-I've-never-owned-or-been-within-20-feet-of-a-SR20 says, its a good, strong reliable engine. Prvoided that you don't get a POS from the shop. Remember, these are JUNKYARD ENGINES. If you want it to be absolutely without fault, you may want to get it rebuilt first. Otherwise just do a basic tuneup/overhaul on the motor before you drop it in, and itll be fine.

As everyone else said, pretty much everything you asked has been covered before, in detail.. just run a search or check the Archive/FAQ forum for more info.

Welcome to Zilvia

[matlock]

I didn't want to read this entire thread basically what I am going to say is if you want to dive right into a car the 240 isn't one. I am also going to assume the growing trend in drifting has persuaded you to ditch the ultra tight SVT and go with the 240's. I think you need to do as much reading as possible before you sell the Focus.

I didn't own a 240 for the first couple months I was on here I was looking for one and reading up at the same time. Don't just use the search button just go through the pages and pages of threads and also the FAQ section has a lot of the answers for commmon problems posted.

Also, take into consideration what you are getting into....you are selling a newer car for an older more unreliable car (even though Focuses are garbage in terms of quality) with less options, no warranty, etc. I think some people just see drifting on G4 or whatever and are like oh I can get into it without realizing the actual amount of work. Another question I have for you is do you actually work on your own car or take it to shops to have them do all the work? In your first post you claim you worked on all these cars but then a sentence or two later mentioned how easy the MR2 swap was when a shop did it for you!?!

Those are a couple of my feelings on you getting into a 240, and one other thing is that there are a bunch of other 240 forums online that you should also check out to gather information. I am not trying to be a jerk I just think you need to do a lot of research and whatnot because every single one of your questions has been answered at least 10 different times, you can't learn it all overnight and don't expect to have info just handed to you.

[driftracer]

Welcome to Zilvia! I agree with matlock, there is a lot of info on the 240sx and its not something that can be read all in one day. In many instances, the 240sx can be a money absorbing project. Anyway, you seem to know what you want. Good luck with your project and welcome again to zilvia :)

[Mervyn]

welcome to zilvia and use the search function before you make a new topic.

[EntrySpeed]

Yeah...
Anyway, the reason for ditching the SVT Focus is that I only have about 1500 Miles left on the factory warranty and an extended warranty just isn't enough with that car. Total disaster when it comes to reliability...that thing has left me stranded four times in the last year, the drive axle (1" steel axle between the tranny and drive wheel) snapped on me driving at 25mph, the flywheel and clutch have been replaced the front right suspension has been completely replaced the header has been replaced and the shifter brushings have been replaced. All factory, all under warranty and all CRAP!

Anyway, yeah I work on my own cars, I didn't do the swap on my MR2 because at the time I thought it was beyond my ability and a buddy of mine has a shop so he did it for me for just the cost of the parts and a few favors here and there, but I am in no way incompetent. Further I have been drifting for the past three years, in AWD cars in the desert of New Mexico and in my FF Focus on the back roads of PA and in parking lots, I have been serious about this for a while and now it’s time to get serious and get a FR car. No real drifter runs AWD or FF unless it’s in some crap like Initial D, so whatever. And I want to get to a competitive level, not just be some moron on the street, fucking smashing his shit into some minivan drifting on public, roads during the day.

Rag on me if you like, I don’t really care, but I’m here to learn about this car because it seems to have a pretty loyal following and I figure there is a reason it’s the most drifted car. If this doesn’t work out to be something I want then I’ll get a couple of AE86’s or maybe an E36 or E30 M3, FD or FC, though rotaries seem a little daunting.

[Pank]

No real drifter runs AWD or FF unless it’s in some crap like Initial D, so whatever.

yeah dude, its a shame you never see Skyline GTR's drifting, i mean really :rolleyes:

[SochBAT]

differential bias controller!! Skyline drivers have em, and the Great nomuken does too. It pretty much converts the car to react like FR.

IMHO, you should only get 1 car for now. Learn it, do your own work, and all that jazz. Once you realize how much $ you are going to spend, you might step down.

And if you do still want a dailydriver, don't waste money on useless things. Substitute coilovers for a decent spring/shock combo, chill with open diff, or if you wanna, VLSD. Make it look nice n pretty. but you'd get rolled by the cops.

[EntrySpeed]

Make it look nice n pretty. but you'd get rolled by the cops.

Nah, not here, they pretty much leave you alone unless you are doing something really stupid, or going to New Jersey...which also falls into the first category.

[EntrySpeed]

yeah dude, its a shame you never see Skyline GTR's drifting, i mean really :rolleyes:
A 10-90 doens't really count as AWD, and many times they completely disable the front diferential or use the R390 RWD tranny, also many of those Skylines are GT's GT-S tune's and GT-H tune's which can all come in a FR setup and all have access to the RB25 and RB26 engines.

And that WXR STi is RWD too, but thanks for thinking I'm an idiot.

[drift freaq]

Yeah I guess so.

And I think the S15 thing is pretty gay, I mean it looks good on an, well...S15 but on any of the USDM 240's it looks out of place, but the S13 front end, especially on the 180 butt looks so sweet...it's kind of like if I could put Jeniffer Conley's face on J-Lo's ass...and make it a car.
hahahahaha this is such a uninformed statement . You were not doing bad till you said this. You really have it all backwards .
1. A S15 face on any S13 Hatch looks much more correct than a S13 Silvia face. The lines of a S15 face match the rounded lines of the Hatch much better than the squared off lines of a S13 Silvia face.
2. The S15 face be it on a USMD S13 hatch or a JDM S13 hatch looks exactly the same. there are no differences in the rest of the body work of the JDM vs USDM models( unless of course, you bring up the late model kouki round tails,
which all hatch owners usually love an desire to put on anyways.)
3. Reference point 1 about your J lo jennifer connally statement and pay attention to Maeda's statement, about it being out of proportion, which I also state in the comments about squared off vs rounded.
I bet you think Sandra Bernhardt is hot too . :rofl:

[MakotoS13]

A 10-90 doens't really count as AWD, and many times they completely disable the front diferential or use the R390 RWD tranny, also many of those Skylines are GT's GT-S tune's and GT-H tune's which can all come in a FR setup and all have access to the RB25 and RB26 engines.

And that WXR STi is RWD too, but thanks for thinking I'm an idiot.

i hope you mean AWD with RWD layout... but thanks for supporting his theory.

[blaze1]

That was fast.

Yah you get a nice face on a sweet ass, but when you put them together you'll notice things are outta perportion.

ANYWAY.

Go find that daily driver and some cheap coilovers and a diff and get driving!


I agree with that, and i think both sil80s and s13.5s look good, but some s13.5s are fugly, it all depends on the front bumper and the color. And i think s14.5s are fugly also. The blue s13.5 on the forums is the cleanest one i seen. But yea i suggest you dont jump on the 240 bandwagon even though you have good non rice intentions. Most of the old timers on here are dicks and you dont want to deal with them for the most part. Thats why im switching over to FC theres not to many young dudes(under 21) with FCs.
I would also recomend getting a beater truck or SUV to hall shit around or use during a emergency because shit will happen. You gotta plenty of money to spend, but save and learn the technique first

[Pank]

A 10-90 doens't really count as AWD, and many times they completely disable the front diferential or use the R390 RWD tranny, also many of those Skylines are GT's GT-S tune's and GT-H tune's which can all come in a FR setup and all have access to the RB25 and RB26 engines.

And that WXR STi is RWD too, but thanks for thinking I'm an idiot.

Yeah man, AWD Rally cars are grip cars, they never drive in a similiar style to drift, EVER.

[sideview_180sx]

entryspeed here's a tip. if you want to learn, don't come in saying you know this and that, only to back track and ask questions. Seriously shut your mouth read the FAQs in chat, tech, motorsports. Look up more on FA. BTW FA isn't nicer they just got sick of newbies asking the same damn questions week-in, week-out. To learn you must realize you know nothing, don't come in with your glass full, have it empty and take a lil' from everything. Also asking us our opinions is kinda absurd, it hints that you are looking to feel "part of the gang". Seriously check the first 3 pages of idiot newbies saying "hi im new, etc, blah, blah" and you see how our mindset is on newbies. Don't let people know you're a newbie, just post when you want just make it meaningful. as far as using the search button. it is an invaluable tool, and using different combinations of words and phrases will aid greatly. BTW what they print in magazines is only a small percentage of info when you actually search. most of us spent many hours searching to learn. we are not going to deal with kids wanting the quick answer. just search and it yields answers.

[chlatboy]

Cant we just ban him for being so stupid? Talking shit to ppl who have been here the longest is not a good way to make friends. At least talk shit after you know what you are talking about. :doh:

[EntrySpeed]

Cant we just ban him for being so stupid? Talking shit to ppl who have been here the longest is not a good way to make friends. At least talk shit after you know what you are talking about. :doh:

When did I talk shit? Do you even read who makes which posts? You have been slinging shit my way since I made my first post and you continue to do so. And I am absolutely not stupid, just not as entirely COOL as you must be.

[EntrySpeed]

Yeah man, AWD Rally cars are grip cars, they never drive in a similiar style to drift, EVER.

Something that will drift on gravle and sand will not nescessarly drift on tarmac, not to mention...when was the last time you saw the Skyline GT-R rally car?

[EntrySpeed]

And as far as the looks of the EilEighty go...to each his own, appearance is completely subjective unless we were talking about certain proven aerodynamic parts and their properties, I like the chunky look of the S13 on the RPS13 butt because it looks a little out of place and retro, it harks back to a time when designers were willing to try some different things and give it the old "what the hell".

Just because you have an S13.5 don't get all panty wet when I say something you disagree with, act like an adult and realize that it is an opinion, and you don’t have to cry about it. Fuck, I have been putting up with all the shit you all manage to sling whit out getting my feelings hurt because I realize that people like to think they know everything, it makes them feel better about their selves.

I didn’t think I would come in here knowing everything, in fact I know very little and I admitted that from the start by using the word “noob” in the title of my post. That’s because I wasn’t trying to pretend I’m something I’m NOT. I’m here to learn, and that’s exactly what I intend to do.

Now I have shit to do today, so if you have to flame then go ahead, it’s all a drop in the bucket.

[EntrySpeed]

I bet you think Sandra Bernhardt is hot too . :rofl:

And Ewww, no!
:wtf:

[drift freaq]

And as far as the looks of the EilEighty go...to each his own, appearance is completely subjective unless we were talking about certain proven aerodynamic parts and their properties, I like the chunky look of the S13 on the RPS13 butt because it looks a little out of place and retro, it harks back to a time when designers were willing to try some different things and give it the old "what the hell".

Just because you have an S13.5 don't get all panty wet when I say something you disagree with, act like an adult and realize that it is an opinion, and you don’t have to cry about it. Fuck, I have been putting up with all the shit you all manage to sling whit out getting my feelings hurt because I realize that people like to think they know everything, it makes them feel better about their selves.

I didn’t think I would come in here knowing everything, in fact I know very little and I admitted that from the start by using the word “noob” in the title of my post. That’s because I wasn’t trying to pretend I’m something I’m NOT. I’m here to learn, and that’s exactly what I intend to do.

Now I have shit to do today, so if you have to flame then go ahead, it’s all a drop in the bucket.

you, punk ass, are a insolent little fuck.

1. Just because I correct you on your bad eyes for design, does not mean "I have my panties in bunch" Or I am crying. hahahhahahhahahhahaha I think your the one who is crying here.
2. You did come in here trying to tell people what is good and what is not. Expect to be flamed for that .
In fact, expect to be flamed for that not by people who are even upset, but by people that are laughing at you. A long time ago, a lot of us probably, made your mistake and ate shit for it. Welcome to the club, now take the cotton out of your ears and stick it in your mouth.
3. Your statement about the S13 Silvia front end on the 180sx rear harkening back to a time when designers where giving it the old "What the hell" and try something different, is just plain again uninformed.
Nissan never designed the Sil Eighty!!!! It was originally done by drifters in Japan who crashed their 180's and found that a Silvia front end was much cheaper to buy to replace the stock 180 front end. When it became a craze in Japan a company called Kids Heart was commisioned by Nissan to build 500 Sil Eighties to capitalize on the craze from a marketing standpoint.

oh ya and by the way you little shit , I do not think I know everything. I do know a hell of a lot more than do. When, you have been around a little while and can make informed correct statements, you will earn mine and possibly other peoples respect. Till then, STFU!!!

[smellslikecurry]

fuckin learn how to edit your posts...dont make 4 posts back to back...seriously just search and none of this would have happened because you would have realized that newbies always get flamed for asking dumbass questions...

[JuJuBee]

rule number 1: never make a "im new" post on zilvia

[Phlip]

you, punk ass, are a insolent little fuck.

1. Just because I correct you on your bad eyes for design, does not mean "I have my panties in bunch" Or I am crying. hahahhahahhahahhahaha I think your the one who is crying here.
2. You did come in here trying to tell people what is good and what is not. Expect to be flamed for that .
In fact, expect to be flamed for that not by people who are even upset, but by people that are laughing at you. A long time ago, a lot of us probably, made your mistake and ate shit for it. Welcome to the club, now take the cotton out of your ears and stick it in your mouth.
3. Your statement about the S13 Silvia front end on the 180sx rear harkening back to a time when designers where giving it the old "What the hell" and try something different, is just plain again uninformed.
Nissan never designed the Sil Eighty!!!! It was originally done by drifters in Japan who crashed their 180's and found that a Silvia front end was much cheaper to buy to replace the stock 180 front end. When it became a craze in Japan a company called Kids Heart was commisioned by Nissan to build 500 Sil Eighties to capitalize on the craze from a marketing standpoint.

oh ya and by the way you little shit , I do not think I know everything. I do know a hell of a lot more than do. When, you have been around a little while and can make informed correct statements, you will earn mine and possibly other peoples respect. Till then, STFU!!!
Ladies and gentlemen, Dave for the win!

[JaeTea]

fuckin learn how to edit your posts...dont make 4 posts back to back...seriously just search and none of this would have happened because you would have realized that newbies always get flamed for asking dumbass questions...

Seriously..it looks like he's arguing with himself! :loco:

[smellslikecurry]

this guy should seriously do us and himself a favor and keep his focus and leave 240s alone...if i were a mod (thank god im not) i woulda banned this fool...i hate ignorance and "whine bag titty babies" -- quoting doug

[Phlip]

The key to understanding why the thread starter has been so ruthlessly flamed in this particular case (as if Zilvians EVER needed a fundamental reason to do so) can be sourced in this particular paragraph:


Also, I know where the search button is, but I was asking for opinions and information from people who have preformed(sic) these swaps. Yeah, I know “as far as swaps go this is pretty straight forward” and that “the SR20DET engine fits into the engine compartment of the Nissan 240SX” and that you can do the 5-lug conversion to the older models…But is the 5 lug conversion a waste of money and time? Is it useful or necessary for a street application, what are the advantages and disadvantages of this conversion and on which models?


... The highlighted portion is one thing that is almost SURE to get the new guy broiled, because to someone who has been around a while it reads more like "I know I can find everything I asked by searching, but wouldn't just ASKING make it easier?"

When one is spotted commiting such an infraction, they take the defensive against the people who are doing what they have become seasoned to do. What they're neglecting is the understanding that they are asking questions that have been answered hundreds or thousands of times before, there is a FAQs section, there is a SR20DET sticky'd thread, there are countless informational threads and writeups that are LOADED with opinion and instructions.

Reading through these items will give you an idea of who knows what in the fuck they're talking about. Discerning who knows what they're doing from those who are simply blowing smoke will lead you to WHO to ask specific questions, but only after your search has failed you. New thread? Hell no, that is flame bait, PM/IM the individual, they will tell you to piss off if they're a dick, answer your question if they can and actually want to do it.


Welcome, new guy, to Zilvia.net. You now have a concise idea of the value that senior members place in newbies' use of the "search" button and the simple understanding that the threads that the moderators decide to sticky or move to the FAQ section receive such treatment for a very good reason.

Please remember this bit of information before you place yourself in position to have to defend yourself against people who have grown quite weary of constantly being presented with the same questions OVER and OVER and OVER again.




(this is me being nice, ask around and find that I am full capable of being an asshole and quite enjoy doing such)

[IGSDann]

In coming to this forum, I realized it's best to Blend In rather than introduce yourself. It's worked great for me, now I'm a regular!

Oh and welcome to Zilvia... if you ever return at this point :rolleyes:

[EntrySpeed]

fuckin learn how to edit your posts...dont make 4 posts back to back...seriously just search and none of this would have happened because you would have realized that newbies always get flamed for asking dumbass questions...

Actually that was done because the only thing the poeple on this forum seem to respect it post count...intelegence means nothing here, that is evident from the type of responses I have gotten from several members.

Further, if every fucking question asked already has an answer somewhere on this forum, then why the hell is there even a forum at all? Shouldn't this just be some big FAQ? That would make more sense, but then again the "senior members" wouldn't be able to sit around in thier mother's basements and circle jerk eachother, and then they wold be sad. So sad.

So whatever, I've said my peice, I don't really give a fuck who thinks they know what, because half the information I have been given in this post alone has had no factual basis and the rest is tucked away, right where I wanted it. Thanks for those of you who didn't bother to take this post as a sign that you needed to swing your pencil dick around, and actually helped me out. To those of you who did, well, I don't really need to say shit to you, you would just scream back at your computer anyway, like it matters.

So now you can go cry to the moderator and get me banned, but I'll still have access to the public information, which will have to be enough. Where I come from we clean up our own shit, but if you want to be babies about it, go right ahead.

I came here looking for informed people, to maybe even make some friends, but damn, the vast majority of the people on this forum seem to think they are really something better than they are.

[ThatGuy]

Well this has gotten out of hand, now hasn't it. Everybody just go to your neutral corners and STFU for now. Zilvians, cut back on the useless flames, and new guy, don't expect too much "helpfulness" when your first thread turned into a e-penis measuring contest. It's great that you have some knowledge; however there are many here with a lot more information about the 240sx then you have. To everyone else, please learn to give more information and less "Zilvia Elitism" to our n00bs. I know better then anyone that Zilvia.net is the best Forum in the world, but we need to make at least a few individuals feel slightly more welcomed.

-Super Duper Moderator Extraordinaire.

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