What the heck is curb humping?

[BlackFox]

So what's this curb humping you guys talk about?

[adey]

I don't know if I'm qualified to explain since I'm not a member of BIACH (or was it biatch?) but AFAIK, it's just people who like to 'drift' but don't really get it and can't really do it. Poseurs... or so I'm under the impression.
That, or it's just a phrase to fling mud at drifters 'cause it's only a show and doesn't get you 'round the track any/much faster.

[uuninja]

2 wheels on the curb + 2 wheels off the curb = curb humping.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ May 14 2002,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2 wheels on the curb + 2 wheels off the curb = curb humping.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LOL.. &nbsp;or one could say it was just a fleeting moment of Ace's sarcasm that was carried on by a bunch of newbies, and will now be herralded as a whole new term on the internet for drifting b/c they don't know any better.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 13 2002,1:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ May 14 2002,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2 wheels on the curb + 2 wheels off the curb = curb humping.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LOL.. or one could say it was just a fleeting moment of Ace's sarcasm that was carried on by a bunch of newbies, and will now be herralded as a whole new term on the internet for drifting b/c they don't know any better.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the really odd thing... is as soon as I put up the "curb humping" thing, a few threads about spinning into curbs came up.....

i didn't think they'd take it literally... &nbsp;at least they aren't trying to ride the gutter down the mountain &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

[boosteds14]

IT IS really when ace gets down on his knees and ...... u know what happens next!!

JUST KIDDING!@!@! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 14 2002,1:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 13 2002,1:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ May 14 2002,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2 wheels on the curb + 2 wheels off the curb = curb humping.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LOL.. or one could say it was just a fleeting moment of Ace's sarcasm that was carried on by a bunch of newbies, and will now be herralded as a whole new term on the internet for drifting b/c they don't know any better.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
the really odd thing... is as soon as I put up the "curb humping" thing, a few threads about spinning into curbs came up.....

i didn't think they'd take it literally... at least they aren't trying to ride the gutter down the mountain <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i wouldn't be too sure of that....

[uuninja]

Hum so I guess this makes me a NOOB drifter <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

Didn't even know "Curb Humping" was a "thing" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> it just seemed kind of self evident, so I couldn't resist a snippy reply.

I soooooo feel like part of the in crowd now &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

[Coldsun]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 13 2002,1:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ May 14 2002,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2 wheels on the curb + 2 wheels off the curb = curb humping.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LOL.. or one could say it was just a fleeting moment of Ace's sarcasm that was carried on by a bunch of newbies, and will now be herralded as a whole new term on the internet for drifting b/c they don't know any better.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
others would say Ace is a god....

LOL uhmm, so Ace now can you tell us extactly what did you mean by the whole curb humping thing?
the question has yet to be anwsered correctly (or has it? )
-Sun

[mistert]

i assumed curb humping was a term for when some wannabe drifter initial D fanboy took his civic ass dragging, or his (poor, unfortunate) 240 drifting, and smacked a curb trying to get sideways

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mistert @ May 13 2002,4:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i assumed curb humping was a term for when some wannabe drifter initial D fanboy took his civic ass dragging, or his (poor, unfortunate) 240 drifting, and smacked a curb trying to get sideways</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that's pretty much it.... the whole "hey look ma i stepped on the gas hard around a corner and spun out and smacked a curb and wrecked my T/C rods, wheel bearings, rims and tires. &nbsp;it was the coolest drift EVER!!" &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

you know... the kind of people that ruined it all.

[uuninja]

Oh man I just got Flamed o plenty for discouraging a prospective N00b drifter on club si.


Care to read? (http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB18&Number=678844&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=)

Oh btw I am Dirty240 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

People get so pissy when you crap on their little JDM bubbles.

[Coldsun]

those are soon to be curb humpers
god help us
-Sun

[BlackFox]

oh my..... we're in trouble....... the FWD's are getting into it &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> &nbsp;

I try to get through corners as fast as i can, drifting is to slow me down &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;wouldn't want to hit the brakes when entering the turn and shift my weight forward when going downhill eh &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[SR20Fastback]

damn they're cold hearted bastards. Quick to jump on the bandwagon and quick to defend themselves of doing it. Thank god the government keeps guns out of these fucks hands &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[Dinkage]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ May 14 2002,5:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh man I just got Flamed o plenty for discouraging a prospective N00b drifter on club si.


Care to read? (http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB18&Number=678844&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=)

Oh btw I am Dirty240 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

People get so pissy when you crap on their little JDM bubbles.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LOL that's hilarious!
What's with the guy and his Taurus? &nbsp;His name is TaurusSI?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>? &nbsp;Is that some kind of bizarre hybrid? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
Yeah, so I'm thinkin of putting a GTR badge on my dad's 98 Buick Regal and talking to this guy, maybe he and I can hook up and start a car club. &nbsp;Maybe I'll be RegalGTR. &nbsp;Or does RegalSER sound better? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>


-Heather
92 CPE SE
97 SE

[mistert]

whoa, you have a Regal GT-R? i've heard those are hella fast! is it the m-spec or v-spec? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[guidot]

Now i'm not sure, so correct me (especially Ace, since he has experienced drifting firsthand) but stepping on gas (powersliding if you will) is NOT what I think of when I think of drifting. &nbsp;I have always thought of drifting closer to what formula one drivers look for, codenamed neutral handling. &nbsp;Neutral handling is when the car reaches turn in, turns the wheels in the direction of the turn and the momentum is just right so that the wheel can be straightened almost immediately after turn in. &nbsp;This is where your tires are at "110%" of their max grip. &nbsp;You are "sliding" but it is also the fastest line through the turn. &nbsp;You complete the turn only making MINOR adjustments in wheel attitude.

Tell me what you think, or if you have heard the same! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[will]

I love curb humping, its the shiet!! &nbsp;You just gotta look that curb in the eye and say "You're mine baby", talk dirty to it, and mean it. &nbsp;Thats the only way for you to be together as one!!! &nbsp;Put your foot down, break those tires loose so you can get 'er sideways and kiss that curb, f#ck up that front end, rear end, whatever, ain't like you're gonna choose, you ain't got skill to even crash correct!! &nbsp;I love a good curb humpin'
-will <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

disclaimer: I don't promote drifting on public roads or into oncoming traffic, I just have the convience of working in the middle of nowhere where the roads are deserted most of the time and I can act a fool and possibly crash into the woods with nobody to hear my cries for help. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (guidot @ May 13 2002,10:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now i'm not sure, so correct me (especially Ace, since he has experienced drifting firsthand) but stepping on gas (powersliding if you will) is NOT what I think of when I think of drifting. I have always thought of drifting closer to what formula one drivers look for, codenamed neutral handling. Neutral handling is when the car reaches turn in, turns the wheels in the direction of the turn and the momentum is just right so that the wheel can be straightened almost immediately after turn in. This is where your tires are at "110%" of their max grip. You are "sliding" but it is also the fastest line through the turn. You complete the turn only making MINOR adjustments in wheel attitude.

Tell me what you think, or if you have heard the same! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i'd say real drifting.... look at outlaw sprinters. &nbsp;those guys are the KINGS of drift. &nbsp;if drifting (real drifting, not the shit they show in most Option vids) was really slower, it would be a wonder why an entire section of racing is almost dedicated to it, when racing is ultimately about going faster.

then again, how many people can understand that vector acceleration towards the center of an arc is needed for a particle in motion to follow an arc, and that acceleration can be (and is in some cases) aided by drive wheels (even in FF). &nbsp;Then there's the work side of it, where energy spent rotating the car through a drift can be used towards accelerative force towards the center of the curve.... &nbsp;but is that what you're thinking about when you head through a turn??

then again, if you watch touring car racing... drifting is just explained as balancing the car through a corner, reaching the limit of traction using throttle input. (the neutral balancing that guidot talked about)

[Coldsun]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 14 2002,01:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (guidot @ May 13 2002,10:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now i'm not sure, so correct me (especially Ace, since he has experienced drifting firsthand) but stepping on gas (powersliding if you will) is NOT what I think of when I think of drifting. I have always thought of drifting closer to what formula one drivers look for, codenamed neutral handling. Neutral handling is when the car reaches turn in, turns the wheels in the direction of the turn and the momentum is just right so that the wheel can be straightened almost immediately after turn in. This is where your tires are at "110%" of their max grip. You are "sliding" but it is also the fastest line through the turn. You complete the turn only making MINOR adjustments in wheel attitude.

Tell me what you think, or if you have heard the same! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i'd say real drifting.... look at outlaw sprinters. those guys are the KINGS of drift. if drifting (real drifting, not the shit they show in most Option vids) was really slower, it would be a wonder why an entire section of racing is almost dedicated to it, when racing is ultimately about going faster.

then again, how many people can understand that vector acceleration towards the center of an arc is needed for a particle in motion to follow an arc, and that acceleration can be (and is in some cases) aided by drive wheels (even in FF). Then there's the work side of it, where energy spent rotating the car through a drift can be used towards accelerative force towards the center of the curve.... but is that what you're thinking about when you head through a turn??

then again, if you watch touring car racing... drifting is just explained as balancing the car through a corner, reaching the limit of traction using throttle input. (the neutral balancing that guidot talked about)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
? ? ? ? ? ? ? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
Whoa &nbsp;slow down Jeff Burton, the hell...
lol
i couldn't flow, but then again its 2<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>0am, i might not be trying to hard either <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
-Sun

[BlackFox]

yes, be like the F1 and GT racers...... I think how most people view drifting is like how rally drivers do u turns but i prefer the 'neutral handling' (hehe that sounds funny) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[JpS]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> U know i was thinking about building a 4th gen hybrid hatch this winter....u know what....fuck that....id just be going along with corporate america....doin just what they want me to do....."go fast in a straight line", they say. "Its the american way", they say. I wanna get a 240SX and have some real fun</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

you see.. corporate america wants you to build a hybrid 4th gen honda.. because everyone knows that corporate america knows everything about the import scene... wtf?... and this kid makes 240 owners sound like rebels.. damn ive had my 240 for over a year if i had known we were rebels i would have used that to pick up chicks.... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[tnord]

we're rebels? oh shit why wasn't i informed earlier?

now i gotta go paint a confederate flag on my roof, and weld my doors shut so i can only get in through the window. gotta run though, daisy duke is callin for me.

YEEEE HAAWW

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ May 14 2002,5:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh man I just got Flamed o plenty for discouraging a prospective N00b drifter on club si.


Care to read? (http://forums.clubsi.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB18&Number=678844&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=)

Oh btw I am Dirty240 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

People get so pissy when you crap on their little JDM bubbles.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
dammit - I was going to return for the smackdown... but got in after it was too late.

And now Riot's got a 240 too? &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 14 2002,10:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">we're rebels? oh shit why wasn't i informed earlier?

now i gotta go paint a confederate flag on my roof, and weld my doors shut so i can only get in through the window. gotta run though, daisy duke is callin for me.

YEEEE HAAWW</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Sorry Travis, I think you are a bit too far north of the Mason Dixon to get the "General Lee" thing going, but good luck with that <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[JeffNJ]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BlackFox @ May 14 2002,02:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes, be like the F1 and GT racers...... I think how most people view drifting is like how rally drivers do u turns but i prefer the 'neutral handling' (hehe that sounds funny) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't know if any of you read Car & Driver, but one of their authors just got back from a rally driving school that had three FWD and one AWD drive car for the students to sling around the gravel. Unfortunately, not much info regarding technique was discussed in the article, but it certainly put me under the impression that sliding through turns the way rally racers do must be different than the way drifters too.

Maybe I should swing by ClubSi and see if they know any mountain roads I can race my del Sol on. Yup, there's an idea if I ever heard one. Those things are built for the rocks, right?

And, no, by rocks, I don't mean you can fill the car with ice, margarita mix, and cuervo, then shake it up and put a straw through the roof. Sure, I bet you COULD do that .. it just isn't what I meant.
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[mistert]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JeffNJ @ May 14 2002,1:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And, no, by rocks, I don't mean you can fill the car with ice, margarita mix, and cuervo, then shake it up and put a straw through the roof. Sure, I bet you COULD do that .. it just isn't what I meant.
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
he means the kind you put in your pipe, hold the lighter up to the end, and puff very hard <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

hehehe

[CrazyGoofyWeirdGuy]

Curb Humping - What usually happens after taking a curb to dinner and a movie.


As for TaurusSI, I am sure he owns both a Taurus and a Civic SI. The Taurus is his beater to...well....get grocerys, and the SI is when he needs to.......ummm....get....the grocerys?


So I cant spell....


As far as drifting in general, I am not a fan. Sure it looks fun, but I would rather be sideways in a WRX. I think some of these kids should sit down and play Grand Turismo 3. I hate to quote a GAME, but it is also common knowledge. Grip is your friend. Holding your own to the apex of a turn, then being able to nail it out of a turn is probably your BEST option when it comes to cornering. Having maximum grip, as one said, is what is needed the most for corners. When drifting you have limited to no forward traction, thereby not exiting the turn as fast as you would by "race cornering". I was learned-ed-ed by my Dad one VERY important thing about racing on a track. "Where there is tire smoke, there is no speed."

I havnt been on this board for long, and dont know your true opinions on drifting, but please, no flames. This is IMHO

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CrazyGoofyWeirdGuy @ May 14 2002,3:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">When drifting you have limited to no forward traction, thereby not exiting the turn as fast as you would by "race cornering".</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not necessarily. &nbsp;that would imply that your drive wheels are not rotating through the turn. &nbsp;it's quite obvious that there is SOME accelerative force made by spinning tires (thus your car moves forward during a burnout). &nbsp;this can theoretically lead to cornering faster and having a faster exit speed. &nbsp;such a case is proven within a few professional forms of racing, such as one of my recent favorites: outlaw sprinters.

[uuninja]

Drifing in it's popular form is pure esthetics. Not a faster way around a turn. I don't really see a problem with that. I think this is by now common knowledge, at least I hope it is. My only gripe is the sudden ground swell of interest in drifting for all the wrong reasons, "I'm going to show all of those V8 boys what's up with my mad tight drifto skillz y0". As well as the general amount of misinformation about it. Me I would rather learn how to drive my car rather than drift, but hey different strokes. There is a time and place for everyone's hobby. I just don't want this to spill on to public roads which is where I see it going.

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 14 2002,4:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (CrazyGoofyWeirdGuy @ May 14 2002,3:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">When drifting you have limited to no forward traction, thereby not exiting the turn as fast as you would by "race cornering".</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
not necessarily. that would imply that your drive wheels are not rotating through the turn. it's quite obvious that there is SOME accelerative force made by spinning tires (thus your car moves forward during a burnout). this can theoretically lead to cornering faster and having a faster exit speed. such a case is proven within a few professional forms of racing, such as one of my recent favorites: outlaw sprinters.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Got to take issue with you physics there Ace.

If you think about just liner acceleration, true you move forward during a burnout, because there is still some friction between tires and the ground. However you accelerate faster if wheel spin is minimal. The same is true in exiting a corner. The more grip you have the less time you will waste "spinning your wheels" the faster you exit.

I ma not sure of the case you referred to, however I would ask what surface do they race on. On surfaces such as dirt or grass where traction is minimal, drifting is needed to point the car in the correct direction for corner exit. Hence a faster line can be taken through the turn than with a drift.

But that is really apples and oranges since I don't think any of us plan on rallying any time soon in our 240's. Well you never know <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[drifterX87]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I dont recall anyone trying to be cool. Dirty240: You have no idea no REDSI17 is yet you are discouraging him from learning something perfectly acceptable. Drifting is not a fad, it's just something to do with your car like any other thing. That type of attitude was totally uncalled for, and it's people like YOU who would make ME feel bad to own a 240. I sure hope the rest of the 240 owners don't behave like that.

The guy just wants to learn how to drift and you jump on him like he ran over your family while driving drunk</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Hmmmm, seeing that he has an FF car, he probably would run over your family. &nbsp;Drunk or not.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">WoW! someones tough cuz there older huh? man werent u 15 at one time? I have to wait my time too before i drive...i personally think drifting is the shiz and beleive me i will also one day learn how to do it...Your just being very ghey about it </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I think we should let him drift. &nbsp;Then, when he kills himself in the Touge, there will be one less useless shell in this world! &nbsp;Huzzah!

I hearby change my goal in life to take out all of these grandma-car driving-MaD DoRiFtO'S-rice cakes and make everyone in the car scene happy.

Mike

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uuninja @ May 14 2002,5:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My only gripe is the sudden ground swell of interest in drifting for all the wrong reasons, "I'm going to show all of those V8 boys what's up with my mad tight drifto skillz y0".</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
what's funny is that those V8 boys have been drifting with their posi-traction throughout the muscle car era.... just watch any old chase movie and you see it. &nbsp;if anything, a decent camaro or mustang makes the best drift car.

[nrcooled]

That IMHO was one of the worst threads I have ever seen. &nbsp;The entire topic of conversation degraded to a who's "gheyer" debate. &nbsp;hell I say let them fight it out amongst themselves and then they will eventually realize they alll are "ghey"
and still have no MaD PhaT DrIfTo SkiLLz y0 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[BlackFox]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 15 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That IMHO was one of the worst threads I have ever seen.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LOL....... Woah.... I started the worst thread you've ever seen.... cool..... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'>

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BlackFox @ May 15 2002,12:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 15 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That IMHO was one of the worst threads I have ever seen.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LOL....... Woah.... I started the worst thread you've ever seen.... cool..... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i think he was talking about the Club Si thread....

at least I hope he was &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[guidot]

uuninja, i think Ace was talking about what i was speaking of earlier (neutral handling). &nbsp;You should re-read or find some more info on it. &nbsp;Its a very interesting concept and if you watch F1, I guarantee you will see it. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[uuninja]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (guidot @ May 15 2002,3:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">uuninja, i think Ace was talking about what i was speaking of earlier (neutral handling). You should re-read or find some more info on it. Its a very interesting concept and if you watch F1, I guarantee you will see it. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
neutral handling = Balancing the car between over and under steer, IIRC. If you want a real prime example of that watch some ice racing <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

If you are talking about what I think you are. F1 or any other cars have a certain amount of track out due to inertia when exiting a turn. The car is moving laterally, but the tires are not breaking forward traction with the ground. This is just far more pronounced in F1 due the lateral forces exerted on the car in a turn.

But that isn't a drift, in the true scene.

I guess my point was this, referring back to the concept of the "friction circle" I am sure we are all pretty familiar with.

The grip of a given set of tires is X, If you plot a graph on 2 accesses acceleration/deceleration and right/left lateral force.
Any point cannot exceed the value of X as the total grip available. This Basically makes a circle (depending on the characteristics of the tire) around the intersection of the x and y axis of the graph. Blah Blah Blah

Good drivers skate as close to the edge of the circle as possible. But exceeding the limits of grip in any direction, just scrubs speed.