Greddy Turbo Purchased..

[vinhisbored]

Alright guys, I just purchased a GREDDY TD06-20G turbo along with a manifold. Couldn't afford the whole Greddy kit, so I got this. Anyways, I'm not sure what else I'll need. At the moment, I'm worrying about the downpipe, because the fitting might be different.. etc. Can anyone help me with this? My friend said I need turbo flanges and downpipe elbows.. etc.. I'm not sure though, and he's not sure of the size.. so I don't know exaclty what to get (thoguh I'll have to go custom dp anyways). Can anyone tell me what I would need?

on my 'to buy' list is:
SR 370cc
SAFC
HKS SSQBOV
Walbro
FPR
Boost Gauge
FMIC
custom flange
turbo dp/elbow

The rest of the items are not a problem, it's just a matter of money, but I don't know about the last two. Please if anyone can help me find the flanges/turbo dp/elbow.. that'd be great!

Thanks.. Vinh

[nrg]

tdo6-20g uses this exhaust downpipe T3 3bolt flang: http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/t33binwadofl.html

[Dousan_PG]

i think you mean 550/555cc injectors
add boost controoller to list
and z32 mafs

[vinhisbored]

First of all.. how many flanges (of those posted... and linked to) would I need? Secondly, I would go with bigger injectors. I honestly think that 550/555cc would be too small, but the fact that I can't afford to get a piggy back/standalone is the problem. I was planning to get a SAFC II to use with the 370 injectors, unless someone can prove me otherwise about what else I would be able to use that is cost efficient. My friend said that this would be the cheapest way to go, but I'm sure there are other ways which I just don't know about? Please let me know.
Also.. how much would a boost controller be? (one that is good.. and not manual.. links maybe?) About the Z32 maf now.. would I need it to be re-tuned for it to create bigger #'s?
Lastely, I now see that a wastegate would be needed, and I'm looking around for some. I hear that TIAL is a very good brand, but I saw that they are somewhat expensive. I mean, I'm sure that it'll be worth the money, but is there an alternative? Also.. what does the mm stand for? How big the openings are? I saw 24mm..28mm..30mm..40mm..

Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it!

[Dousan_PG]

555 is fine on a td06 20g
definately
you are cutting corners
stop it

get the injectors, mafs and a dyno tune. you wont make shit for power on the sotck injectors.
dont fuck around.

[vinhisbored]

So you think I should just get the bigger injectors.. a Z32 maf and a ecu upgrade? If so.. what do you recommend? The typical/popular enthalpy? Definitely on a budget.. when I get parts just to get the car hooked up, I'll just use them until I can upgrade the rest. Or, I'll have to wait about 2 more months to get the rest of the parts. I don't know.. if you convince me otherwise with something good, I'll definitely keep it in mind.

[Dousan_PG]

you should make some decent power if you go w/ a boost controller, injectors (touge factory has cheap ones, i have those, no problems so far, daily driven s14 sr w/ upgrades and right now, .8 bar, doing 1.1 when i hit dyno).

get the mafs
get the safc
get the dyno tune
safc is good

enthalpy tune rules.

just dont cut corners you only end up paying more in the long run!
take time and save money do it right the FIRST time!!!!!

[vinhisbored]

you should make some decent power if you go w/ a boost controller, injectors (touge factory has cheap ones, i have those, no problems so far, daily driven s14 sr w/ upgrades and right now, .8 bar, doing 1.1 when i hit dyno).

get the mafs
get the safc
get the dyno tune
safc is good

enthalpy tune rules.

just dont cut corners you only end up paying more in the long run!
take time and save money do it right the FIRST time!!!!!

Yeah, I know that this turbo is quite good. How much did you purchase your injectors for? How much exactly is .8 bar? I'm not familiar with that.. I'm only familiar with the PSI scale.. Also.. what do mean get the dyno tune? Not too intelligent when it comes to those things.. Just getting more serious now with the turbo.. We all have to start somewhere.. :cool: Could you tell me the difference between SAFC I and SAFC II? About boost controllers.. do you recommend any in particular? But for sure, I'd need the ECU retune before upgrading the injectors to 550/555cc right? Should I slap the turbo on w/out those mods first.. or just wait? It'll be a long while to save for the injectors/ecu retune along though..

[Dousan_PG]

injectors
www.tougefactory.com
dynotune for safc is like 120 bucks? r&d dyno, gardena, ca
safcII has more functions/adj
i love my profec b, easy to use, holds exellent
you need to do some base line 'tune' to drive around. car wont run otherwise.

[vinhisbored]

Do you have AIM? I'd like to talk to you through that.. instead of these posts.. I think you could help me a whole lot on my project (if you wouldn't mind).

[Dousan_PG]

i dont use AIM anymore
people know more then me will reply tomrrow
i dont know that much. i only make like 300 hp?
very mild set up on my car.

[vinhisbored]

Well, thanks alot for your help though, I'll put alot of it into consideration, as well as keep this thread updated about what's going to be done/problems that arrive. Oh yeah, I went to Touge Factory.. and I'm afraid I couldn't find the section that the injectors are located under.. could you please let me know?

[kandyflip445]

It's on the front page dude....

[nrg]

You need one flang, it bolts onto the exhaust compressor side of the turbo. with that flang, you can make a custom downpipe going to your cat.

everything else has been answered. good luck.

[vinhisbored]

You need one flang, it bolts onto the exhaust compressor side of the turbo. with that flang, you can make a custom downpipe going to your cat.

everything else has been answered. good luck.

Oh.. so I just need to purchase one flange? From what my friend told me.. I'd have to purchase like two because I'm making a custom turbo elbrow + downpipe as one. Yeah I'm not sure.. just finding out what I need.
Oh yeah.. would I need a gasket kit too?

[boosteds13]

You need the flange that attaches to the outlet on the turbine housing and the 3-bolt exhaust flange that attaches to the downpipe. And some exhaust piping in between. 550cc injectors won't be enough to max out that turbo. The TD06-20G flows 675CFM and is a 450+hp turbo. He would need at least 650cc's to keep the duty cycle in check. As for the wastegate, I would get a TiAL 38mm. Big enough to control the boost at low settings and still on the inexpensive side at around $210. After the 38mm, the price goes up modestly.

Lastly, I don't think you are going to have much luck with just a SAFC controlling those injectors. You are going from the stock injectors which are only 270cc to injectors that are 550cc or bigger. The SAFC only has a +-50% correction. Your best bet is to get a simple rom tune that sets the injector size you choose and the maf as your 'base' setting and then use the SAFC to fine tune from there. That's the best you can do without a full-on custom rom tune.

[rim_bender]

OK

You need:
Exhaust side flange and 3 hole downpipe flange from the above website
Have to get custom downpipe made that goes from the turbo to your cat using both of those flanges
Tial 38mm wastegate $210
Boost controller (greddy prfec b off of ebay) $280ish
Good cheap injectors you could use are Deatchwerks (bad spelling just look it up) injectors 600cc $312
Enthalpy ECU tune $500
Z32 MAF $120

this is probally the cheapest way to safetly go

That is all you need plus the other stuff you listed like fmic kit, fule pump and BOV and misc stuff thats up to you to buy

[vinhisbored]

Alright.. so I picked up the turbo yesterday.. I don't know what this line is for? It's some sort of sensor? Should it be there? When I picked it up, they were saying like.. "the seller said that this turbo was 'made for him' because he was 'sponsored' by Greddy and blahbalhbah" I don't believe it.. but yeah.

http://pic13.picturetrail.com/VOL465/2194199/4280877/100288349.jpg
http://pic13.picturetrail.com/VOL465/2194199/4280877/100288339.jpg
http://pic13.picturetrail.com/VOL465/2194199/4280877/100288329.jpg
http://pic13.picturetrail.com/VOL465/2194199/4280877/100288306.jpg
(sorry about the blurry pictures)

Back to the 'need help' part.. So for the flange that I need for the exhaust side.. would it be a T3 flange also? As for the wastegate.. I believe it's an internal wastegate (as seen in pictures). I'd rather have an external one like Tial or something.. but what would I need to do? Change anything around, or just take it off, and put a new one on?
As many have mentioned.. the SAFC would only be able to run the 370cc injectors.. which is not enough. (I even know it) but because of the budget.. I'm stuck with either that right now.. or just not putting anything on.. but I'm pretty anxious to put it on.. it'd be alright to be using the stock injectors until I upgrade the injectors as well as the ecu right? What's a 'rom tune'? My friend is giving me his Z32 maf already.. so that's not really a problem.. but wouldn't I need turing to make it work? Thanks and let me know guys..

[rim_bender]

The wire is for an EGT gauge. It doesnt necesarily have to be used for anything.

A rom tune is jsut an ecu tune

you can use the safc with the 370 injectors but you are gonna have to run really low boost so you dont blow up the motor.

for the flange you need the t3 exhaust flange for the backside of the turbo, where the 3 holes are so you can make a downpipe off the flage. But it from that website on the second post.

for the wastgate. since you on a budget i would keep the internal gate. Its already there and ready to go. To switch to an external gate you need to midify your manifold so that you can weld on the new external gate. Also you will need to weld the internal wastegate jsut on the back of the turbo. Basically an external gate is gonna cost you alot more.

[BigVinnie]

SAFC is good for moderate power gains , but you will have to do more manual tuning, it only changes the signal to the MAF.
You might wan't to look into an SMT6, or a G-Reddy Emanage piggy back, for 100 dollars more you can get an Enthalapy reprogrammed.

You will also need a high flow CAT with 3"in, 3" out.
3" cat back exhaust
I would get a BOV, and intercooler, for inter cooler piping just go to home depot and get some pvc pipe, and rubber couplers super cheap.
Also get a pre fabed down pipe from phat KAT or nizzx, then you can do slight modifiction to the down pipe yourself.
you can fab your own boost controller don't bother buying one.
300z/z32 fuel pump
nismo FPR
SR20det side feed fuel rail fits KA
RC injectors or any SR20det injectors

Places to get these parts

Homedepot
www.projectnissan.com
www.nizzx.com
www.phatka-t.com/forums/
www.jimwolfetechnology.com
www.perfectpower.com
www.optionimports.com

[vinhisbored]

Right now.. the route to save money would be SAFC + 370 injectors. I believe the SAFC would be used in the long run for me anyways.. (and because I think it looks cool.. haha) but the 370cc injectors could be sold pretty easily again I believe. I already have a full 3" catback exhaust on my car (had to go 'custom' piping) with HKS CF TI tip so I'm good in that area. At the moment, I'll probably gather up the parts that I'd 'need' as in FMIC.. FUEL PUMP.. boost gauge.. etc.

About the FMIC.. should I go purchase an intercooler on ebay.. and then get the pipes done custom, or should I purchase a full kit? How much money would I be saving if I were to get PCV pipes + couplings? On a budget, so that sounds good (because it'll be 'super cheap') but I don't want for it to be running like shit, and have those tell me I cut corners, so I payed the price. Thanks alot.. awaiting feedback..

[BigVinnie]

If you really wanted to save some money on those injectors you can port the tips of your stock injectors to feed upto 550cc.
Get a magnafying glass and 220grit fine tip dremel bit, and of course a dremel.........

[BigVinnie]

How much money would I be saving if I were to get PCV pipes + couplings? On a budget, so that sounds good (because it'll be 'super cheap') but I don't want for it to be running like shit, and have those tell me I cut corners, so I payed the price. Thanks alot.. awaiting feedback..

PVC pipe in 10' longx2.50" diameter $3.50
Rubber couplers $2.00 each you will need about 5 of them
3 hours of your own time

steel pipe 16AWG 10' longx2.50" diameter $21.00
welder such as myself to weld 6hours $280.00

Do the math, if you can't weld get some PVC and some rubber couplers

at the price you get tyhe pvc and couplers you can get over 100' of header wrap and wrap it around the pvc for an extra 20 bucks

[boosteds13]

About the FMIC.. should I go purchase an intercooler on ebay.. and then get the pipes done custom, or should I purchase a full kit? How much money would I be saving if I were to get PCV pipes + couplings? On a budget, so that sounds good (because it'll be 'super cheap') but I don't want for it to be running like shit, and have those tell me I cut corners, so I payed the price. Thanks alot.. awaiting feedback..

PVC pipe??? Dude, PVC is plastic. That's not going to cut it. Not to be an ass, but turbo project + tight budget = problems and disappointment.

[boosteds13]

for the wastgate. since you on a budget i would keep the internal gate. Its already there and ready to go. To switch to an external gate you need to midify your manifold so that you can weld on the new external gate. Also you will need to weld the internal wastegate jsut on the back of the turbo. Basically an external gate is gonna cost you alot more.


http://pic13.picturetrail.com/VOL465/2194199/4280877/100288329.jpg
Looks like the internal gate is already welded shut...

[BigVinnie]

PVC pipe??? Dude, PVC is plastic. That's not going to cut it. Not to be an ass, but turbo project + tight budget = problems and disappointment.

Yeah PVC is plastic that can take the heat under the hood. Check out this pic..... People do it all the time it's cost effective for those that can't weld....

I weld though.............

[boosteds13]

Yeah PVC is plastic that can take the heat under the hood. Check out this pic..... People do it all the time it's cost effective for those that can't weld....

I weld though.............

PVC and aluminum foil... :ughd:

[vinhisbored]

Yeah, I understand that turbo project on a tight budget is and will be disappointing, but it's okay, when I mean 'I'm on a tight budget'.. it means 'I want to save money and not buy all the expensive stuff'. Get it? I mean, shit.. if I had tons of money.. I'd be crazy, and get all of the top of the line stuff, I'm just trying to save money here and there.. thus helping me afford more things. If I save $100 here.. that's something else I would be able to buy (that's like... a nismo FPR or a walbro 255 fuel pump.. etc). In the picture above.. many have told me that it's not my wastegate.. they say that it's some sort of sensor.. I've looked at it.. it isn't connected to the wastegate either..

[kandyflip445]

EGT sensor I bet.

[S14DB]

It's a EGT sensor:
http://pic13.picturetrail.com/VOL465/2194199/4280877/100288329.jpg
The WG is not welded shut. The hole they use to drill out the WG hole is covered. The WG gas comes out and makes a 90 back into the exhaust stream before it exits the turbo. This turbo has been known to creep above 7psi on the KA. Most have a new DP made and dril out that cover to make the WG dump into its own pipe.


PVC should never be used for piping. It can not withstand underhood or charge temps. It will melt and/or shatter. I have seen it happen is real life and in pics.

I don't know how you would accurately dremel out an injector and flow match them at home.

[kandyflip445]

You wouldn't do that at home. All you would do is fuck up the injector and waste money.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Don't use PVC piping or rubber couples. PVC piping won't last too long, it might work for some time depending on where you use it, but I'd rather not take the chance. And rubber couplers will melt, I had a temporary one on, and didnt last the 45 minute drive to get a silicone coupler, luckily it just melted a tiny hole.

[BigVinnie]

It's a EGT sensor:


I don't know how you would accurately dremel out an injector and flow match them at home.

I have a Garage..........
Many tools............
I don't fuck around, I use calibrated tools...........
The answer is very carefully..............
I also failed to mention a calibrated tool also needed for reeming injectors is a pneumatic orthodontic drill, used for taking cavities out of teeth.

[Phlip]

^^^ What about the calibrated tool for spelling ream correctly? Please give me the name, address and phone number to your shop so I can NEVER find my car being raped there

[kandyflip445]

Really. I would imagine you use a orthodontic drill for ORTHODONTICS. Not injectors. But that may just be me. Seriously. I'm with PHLIP.

[vinhisbored]

I don't know, I think that I wouldn't really want to go down that route of messing w/ the injectors, just because I wouldn't know how to, but I don't really think it's necessarily right to be ripping at him, unless there's proof of his work being shit. If he's done it, and it's worked for him, than great..

Anyways.. back to my little thing.. I think I'm going with 370cc injectors w/ SAFC II + Z32 MAF. I can get the injectors cheap.. the Z32 MAF someone is giving me.. and I'll only have to pay for the SAFC II. I'll be using an Apexi Boost Gauge. I'm only sort of worrying about the custom turbo elbow/downpipe that's gotta be made. The rest of the parts would only be a matter of money.. The only reason why I wouldn't go larger injectors and ecu upgrade is because I don't have enough money, and my friend said that when I plan on upgrading, he'll buy the stuff off of me, so I wouldn't be losing too much money, and because it would be a while until I actually upgrade..

[boosteds13]

Anyways.. back to my little thing.. I think I'm going with 370cc injectors w/ SAFC II + Z32 MAF. I can get the injectors cheap.. the Z32 MAF someone is giving me.. and I'll only have to pay for the SAFC II. I'll be using an Apexi Boost Gauge. I'm only sort of worrying about the custom turbo elbow/downpipe that's gotta be made. The rest of the parts would only be a matter of money.. The only reason why I wouldn't go larger injectors and ecu upgrade is because I don't have enough money, and my friend said that when I plan on upgrading, he'll buy the stuff off of me, so I wouldn't be losing too much money, and because it would be a while until I actually upgrade..

Ok, well have fun running 4psi with the 370cc injectors. Don't come back asking why your car blew up when you got a little over-zealous with the boost.

[BigVinnie]

I'm not going to rip on you vinhisbored, but alot of high rev N/A KA guys are using 370cc injection. "That is for N/A". I know you want to start small but you should atleast look into 440cc injection. Then you can atleast boost between 8-10psi with no problems.
You might as well stay N/A with 370cc injection. I'm also assuming that you are running high impedence injectors since you still have the stock ecu. You defenitely want some mild performance with the injection flow rate, 370cc won't cut it.

[vinhisbored]

I know whwat you guys are saying, but.. what's the highest injector I'll be able to go with if I'm only running with the SAFC II? I was told that 370cc is all that it can handle. Is that true, or can I go even higher? Also.. I might be able to get my hands on a Greddy E-Manage instead, because a friend can get Greddy stuff at wharehouse prices. If it's cheap, I might go with that instead. I don't know how big the injectors will be able to handle.. does anyone care to fill me in?
Thanks for the 2 cents guys, I appreciate it. Even if some of you are ripping into me. :hammer:

[BigVinnie]

I know whwat you guys are saying, but.. what's the highest injector I'll be able to go with if I'm only running with the SAFC II? I was told that 370cc is all that it can handle. Is that true, or can I go even higher? Also.. I might be able to get my hands on a Greddy E-Manage instead, because a friend can get Greddy stuff at wharehouse prices. If it's cheap, I might go with that instead. I don't know how big the injectors will be able to handle.. does anyone care to fill me in?
Thanks for the 2 cents guys, I appreciate it. Even if some of you are ripping into me. :hammer:

Injection rate "cc" has nothing to do with what the SAFC can handle. The SAFC only fools the ecu to maf reading by changing the volt input to the ecu.
The SAFC on turbo applications is to prevent what is called blowby.
It is the voltage of the maf you should be concerned about, not the safc.
Thats why guys that go extreme on boosting upgrade their maf as well, usually z32 maf or a ford mustang cobra maf.
The stock KA24de maf can only make about 250HP, if you are staying cheap then you probably wont exceed over 250hp anyway, or even 210hp for that matter.
I've seen guys go the cheap way on turbo systems, one friend of mine is on 5PSI and is pushing a little under 200hp.
Doing what you think is the cheap way will only become more expensive.
At the rate you payed for you turbo system the cheap way " almost no boost and small injection", I could build an N/A KA for the same price and exceed the limitations of your HP output.
Honestly spending the additional $30 to $50 per injector compared to what you would of payed will actually pay off as a long term investment, and you will be much more pleased with the results.
If you just want a fuel economical daily driver then just do what you want as far as going cheap.
But when you go to the track don't bother to embarrass your self with wack 1/4 mile times for a turbo that is.
Don't take this as being insulting either I am only trying to help.....

[boosteds13]

No, the SAFC is severely limited on the KA24 as to what you can do for injector upgrades. Ideally you should not exceed a 30% increase in injector flow capability. As stated in the other thread, the more you lean out the SAFC, the more it screws with the factory timing map as a lower and lower TTP is being assigned even though the volume of air is not changing. That results in more timing advance and a greater risk of detonation. Here is an example I whipped up for you...

Let's say with the factory MAF at a particular MAF Voltage, a TTP of 83 is assigned by the ECU. Let us also say the RPMs are at 4000 which is near peak torque on this particular engine (ca18det in the example). At 4k rpms, there is a total timing of 37°. For those interested, subtract 15° to get the timing advance.
http://www.escic.com/240sx/timing1.jpg


Ok, so that is what it would look like assuming the stock 370cc injectors and stock MAF are being utilized.

Now, let's say we installed some 550cc injectors that are 30% larger. If we adjust the SAFC to -30% at 4000 RPMs, then the TTP would change by 30% as well bringing it down to around the '57' column.
http://www.escic.com/240sx/timing2.jpg

While this will decrease the amount of fuel entering the engine, the timing will go up to 43° of total timing at 4000rpms.

As you can see, this can wreak havoc on the timing of the motor if too large of an injector is attempted to be controlled by the SAFC. And seeing as he is doing this on a stock bottom end KA, I don't see the ringlands surving much detonation which is why only the GOOD tuned stock bottom end KA-T's make any lasting power.

[vinhisbored]

I think I'm convinced by you guys, and I will go larger, I'll just be savig up for longer. Do you guys think that I should get ECU tuning, or should I try and get a piggy back system like the Emanage? Next, does anyone know how big I can go with the Emanage? (injector size)
Oh yeah, does anyone know if the Enthalpy returning also changes my top end, or will the car just shut off when it hits about 110-120?

[boosteds13]

I think I'm convinced by you guys, and I will go larger, I'll just be savig up for longer. Do you guys think that I should get ECU tuning, or should I try and get a piggy back system like the Emanage? Next, does anyone know how big I can go with the Emanage? (injector size)
Oh yeah, does anyone know if the Enthalpy returning also changes my top end, or will the car just shut off when it hits about 110-120?
http://www.escic.com/240sx/limits.jpg
:)

I was more trying to illustrate in my last post that using a piggy-back for injectors large enough for a forced induction setup would not be a good idea. Your best bet looks to be to get a rom tune for the setup you plan to run (ie: what maf and what size injectors). Then you can use a piggy back to fine tune from there if necessary. But most rom tunes are good enough as they are.

[vinhisbored]

Oh, sorry, it was sort of hard to understand it. I'm not that familiar w/ charts. Anyways, do yo guys think that going 600cc+ would be over doing it? I'm sure if I look in the right places, I can get them pretty cheap. What other ecu re-tunes would you guys recommend, other than Enthalpy? I'm debating on whether I should go 550/555 or 660ish.. I'll be using a N/A Z32 MAF that my friend's giving to me (he's getting a new front clip.. so he won't need it).

[BigVinnie]

http://www.escic.com/240sx/limits.jpg
:)

I was more trying to illustrate in my last post that using a piggy-back for injectors large enough for a forced induction setup would not be a good idea. Your best bet looks to be to get a rom tune for the setup you plan to run (ie: what maf and what size injectors). Then you can use a piggy back to fine tune from there if necessary. But most rom tunes are good enough as they are.

Your points are very valid. But alot of the guys that use the SAFC,smt6, emanage can change the timing through the cams and distributor anyways. When ever you can't play with the ttp EMS then you just have to retard/advance the timing. Yes I know it can be rediculous tunning but it gets the job done with cheap piggy backs that exceed there injection output.
You can infact use larger injection with this method, but the engine itself wouldn't be very streetable. Higher octane fuels would also be needed.

[vinhisbored]

Alright.. so now I'm looking for the lines.. does anyone know where I can get a line that will fit this turbo? I don't think Greddy sells this line individually.. and I heard it's gotta be some sort of 'particular' line.. does anyone know where I could get a hold of one?

[96twofourty]

Ok, well have fun running 4psi with the 370cc injectors. Don't come back asking why your car blew up when you got a little over-zealous with the boost.
370s are good to almost 8-9 psi...

[boosteds13]

370s are good to almost 8-9 psi...

On which turbo? That makes all the difference. 8psi on a T28 is not the same as 8psi on a TD06-20G. Not by any means...

[pretzel king]

vinhisbored everything you are saying is pretty scary, my suggestion stop working on your project and go read Turbochargers (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0895861356/boostaholicor-20/102-2152170-3028964?creative=125581&camp=2321&link_code=as1) or Maximum Boost (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0837601606/boostaholicor-20/104-0168900-5444755?creative=125581&camp=2321&link_code=as1) you dont know what anything about wastegates, you cant read the charts, and I'm questioning how much you actually know about that turbo. Your obviously cutting corners your gunna hurt yourself and/or waste (ever though very little) all your money. Read one or both of those books and put your project on a backburner. You live in cali its summer all year round there isnt it?! whats the hurry search, research!! Then ask questions and make better buy descions!! Im not knockin you or anything like that, but after reading this im seriously quesitoning your ability to even assemble this project. Goodluck keep us posted.

[SDS14Driver]

I definatley agree with pretzel. The problem with asking a forum group, "where should i go next" when doing a project of this magnitude is your bombarded with opinionated "this is what i would do's" which are great, but dangerous because nobody knows your specific senerio like you do. Hence, the turbo kit. All the boost, none of the headache. You may want to do some more research before continuing and i reccomend studying the newest Greddy Turbo Kit aka: SR20 alternative as a start.

This came out as a SR20 alternative, & it's a completely bolt on assembly good for about [email protected] wheels. Since you've already ventured into your project with some of the parts, what i would do in your shoes is find out every damn part associated with that $3500 kit and mimic it down to the last screw.

It'll save you time, and considering you're not able to find a retailer willing to sell you the exact piece you need separatley, you can just find a suitable replacement or just upgrade. Custom turbo charging's a real bitch when it comes down to fittings, hose ID and running the damn oil lines so greddy gave you a real ace for your project, espicially since it runs on the stock computer.

Check out the kit details and let us know if that helps. Be sure to post your findings too.

Good luck.

[BigVinnie]

They sell the imitation Greddy kits on ebay for under 2 grand anyway. Then you can just get a fine tuned Enthalapy ECU for $400/$500.
$2500+ your time to install, some tunning and your good to go......
Besides if you live in cali that Greddy kit is the only street legal kit for KA....
DOT approvals come stamped on the turbo and the mani, a mechanic wont touch your engine for smog without the approval stamps........

[vinhisbored]

Seems to be that there is some shaftplay in the turbo I bought. So, I'm selling it to a friend who really wants it for his DSM, and I'm getting the turbo from Boost Design's State 1 kit. I believe it handles more, and it's bigger. I just met a guy who's going to guide me through my project the whole way. I believe he's had about 3+ projects.. and it's 'been there done that' with 240's. I had a real nice talk to him, and he told me to not mess around with shit, so just get what I want. Here's his car.. oh so back in the day when 'JDM' wasn't so big.
[url]http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=489034&page=1[url]
[url]http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=485301[url]
Anyways, with much talk with him, I'm just saving up for better stuff. I've already started and purchased a Greddy wastegate, HKS BOV (SSQ), and a FMIC. So, this whole thread, (which I apologize to all those who have contributed) is basically going down the drain. I'm sorry if I'm such a newbie. I'm only 17, trying to work my way up. In time, I'll be sure to post up where I'm at, if I run into problems, and you guys can see where this ignorant/newbie little 17 has gone.. :). I respect those that have given me their 'two cents' just to help me realize that some ways just shouldn't be taken. I guess this guy was my inspiration. He's got the older gen MR2, and his engine's fully built, and he should be the fastest around.
Anywho, future plans (will take more saving to do) would include...
Possibly bigger turbo.. [capable of 500+]
Rods and Pistons..
Full AEMS standalone.. (he convinced me.. he's runningn Apexi Power FC)
'at least' 660ish injectors
and I'm undecided on the rest.
My friend get warehouse prices, so he'll be helping me out alot there.
Thanks guys!

[S_14.5]

They sell the imitation Greddy kits on ebay for under 2 grand anyway. Then you can just get a fine tuned Enthalapy ECU for $400/$500.
$2500+ your time to install, some tunning and your good to go......
Besides if you live in cali that Greddy kit is the only street legal kit for KA....
DOT approvals come stamped on the turbo and the mani, a mechanic wont touch your engine for smog without the approval stamps........

Are you sure the Greddy Kit for the KA is street legal in California? I been hunting around for the CARB EO number for the kit, but never had any luck in getting one from Greddy?

[SDS14Driver]

I'm positive that greddy's newest kit is in fact CA leagal. A boosting 17 year old... just don't wrap yourself around a tree if you ever get your car up, running and stable.

I read the article re: that particualr kit on a well known performance magizine's website, I can't remember the name but google search and you'll see what i mean.

[BigVinnie]

I'm positive that greddy's newest kit is in fact CA leagal. A boosting 17 year old... just don't wrap yourself around a tree if you ever get your car up, running and stable.

I read the article re: that particualr kit on a well known performance magizine's website, I can't remember the name but google search and you'll see what i mean.

I think the article is in last years Turbo Magazine.......... That greddy kit was only ment to compete with non boosted red top sr20's.....
Vinhisbored are you sure you want boostdesigns they have been selling nothing more but crap lately...............
Do more research try phatkat, or nizzx..............

[S_14.5]

Ehhh...read like 5 turbo magazine articles and nothing about a carb eo# or anything about the Greddy kit being CA legal. All I remember was greddy e-mailing me that it was pending a carb eo # a while back...searched and no luck...anyone w/ a link? :smash:

[vinhisbored]

Yes, I'm aware that they (BoostDesigns) have been making crap lately, but this kit was purchased near the begining of the month, but because they lagged, it took about 3 months to come. If you look for the pictures somewhere in the For Sale section, I posted pics here.. http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=80872
Yeah, it's pretty much before they fell over, and started this crappy stuff they've been making. This kit is still quality.. but.. from what my friend told me.. he found a buyer.. so I need to look for a new turbine. Any ideas? I expect 450+.. yes, it sounds way out there, but it'll happen. I'm just saving up for really good stuff, and I'll be running stock for a while, as well as research into more stuff because I'm such a newbie. I'm not really big on names.. just reliablity (well.. for turbos). Shoot some ideas out at me! :)

[BigVinnie]

Here is the Turbo mag article that came out 2 years ago. Says nothin about CARB O.E. But the kit has potential. http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0404tur_kit/

[S_14.5]

I'm taking it that the Greddy kit still isn't legal for CA usage... :lockd:

[vinhisbored]

Does anyone know which place sells the Aems system standalone for the S14 cheapest? So far the cheapest I found was Boost Designs..

[S14DB]

Does anyone know which place sells the Aems system standalone for the S14 cheapest? So far the cheapest I found was Boost Designs..
They are not a dealer. But, Ivan is http://www.phatka-t.com/s14enginemgt.htm

[vinhisbored]

Yeah, I figured that boost designs wasn't, and I found Phat KA-T earlier, and I emailed them about their price, but so far, no reply.

[BigVinnie]

www.nizzx.com sells the AEM EMS for pretty cheap.
Kinda works like phat KAT though you have to leave an email first and wait for a reply.........

[S14DB]

www.nizzx.com sells the AEM EMS for pretty cheap.
Kinda works like phat KAT though you have to leave an email first and wait for a reply.........
They must save money by not hooking ASP up on their server... :doh:

[SimpleS14]

vinhisbored - You might have been better off going with a kit or atleast doing some research before venturing into such project. The cheapest turbo project would be a SS autochrome manifold, t28 turbo and SR parts (i.e. FMIC kit)....of course...as someone has mentioned...this is just my opinion.

BigVinnie - No offensive, but your the only person that whores out the link to that site (nizzx.com) and you fail to realize that its complete crap.

[vinhisbored]

Yeah, the person who was going to buy my turbo has flaked on me.. so now I'm keeping it. I'm just saving up my money, buying everything one by one, and then rebuilding my turbo when everything's ready.. Oh yeah.. my friend's looking for an SAFC II and some SR injectors.. does anyone have any? haha sorry it's the wrong section.. but I thought I'd say it anyways..

[BigVinnie]

BigVinnie - No offensive, but your the only person that whores out the link to that site (nizzx.com) and you fail to realize that its complete crap.
HAHA.... NO effense taken, but then again I really feel sorry for the guys that bought those crap mani's from BD...........
It's funny how companies can make a nice display and sell you crap, at the same time companies can show you a crappy display, but atleast you get what you pay for, "get my drift" LOL..............
I'd rather buy from a company that doesn't lie to me than one that does.......
Thats the difference in my whoring and I am fair to represent who ever I wan't..........
I do represent more than just NIZZX, I think you are the one that is confused....

[mrmephistopheles]

www.nizzx.com


:rofl: Untitled Document :rofl:
That's the worst website I've seen in a LONG time.

[BigVinnie]

:rofl: Untitled Document :rofl:
That's the worst website I've seen in a LONG time.

Yeah it's funny how I only get whoridden by the admin. of zilvia. "Do I hear regulation of sponsorships???????????????"
Some people are 5 years old especially when the only language they use is the middle finger.
But if it makes the admin. happy I won't mention the company ever again since you are all offended.........

[BigVinnie]

:rofl: Untitled Document :rofl:
That's the worst website I've seen in a LONG time.
It's an I.E, not firefox..............

[S14DB]

It's an I.E, not firefox..............
Still means they suck at coding a website. If you can't get a website up that works on all browers. Why should we buy from them?

[vinhisbored]

So I emailed Phat KA-T about what they charge for the AEMs standalone.. still no answer. It's been about 5 days. I emailed Nizzx.com about their's.. they answered the next day. $1495 I believe and shipping.

[S14DB]

So I emailed Phat KA-T about what they charge for the AEMs standalone.. still no answer. It's been about 5 days. I emailed Nizzx.com about their's.. they answered the next day. $1495 I believe and shipping.
I find it's easier to call Ivan on the phone.

[vinhisbored]

That would just be the number that is listed am I correct?

[SDS14Driver]

i was lookin at greddy's site and they provided carb numbers for their kits: (CARB E.O. # D-397, D-397-3, D-397-7. Contact GReddy Performance Products, Inc. for details)

"Since they are based completely on stock engines, these kits come with all the necessary basics, including fuel enrichment. Many of the kits are covered under CARB E.O. numbers which make them 50-state street legal." -http://www.greddy.com/

The only thing that throws me off is the word "many" when they say, many of their kits are legal. I'm not 100% certain that the ka24de kit is legal, but for $3,500 bucks it better be. I sent them an email inquiring.

[SimpleS14]

Yeah it's funny how I only get whoridden by the admin. of zilvia. "Do I hear regulation of sponsorships???????????????"
Some people are 5 years old especially when the only language they use is the middle finger.
But if it makes the admin. happy I won't mention the company ever again since you are all offended.........

Nobody is offended....its just a bad design and we are stating our opinions. Putting a disclaimer saying it works with IE only or redirecting Mozilla/Netcape browsers to another page to explain it works with IE only would be sufficient. Also changing the browser title "Untitled Document".

[S_14.5]

i was lookin at greddy's site and they provided carb numbers for their kits: (CARB E.O. # D-397, D-397-3, D-397-7. Contact GReddy Performance Products, Inc. for details)

"Since they are based completely on stock engines, these kits come with all the necessary basics, including fuel enrichment. Many of the kits are covered under CARB E.O. numbers which make them 50-state street legal." -http://www.greddy.com/

The only thing that throws me off is the word "many" when they say, many of their kits are legal. I'm not 100% certain that the ka24de kit is legal, but for $3,500 bucks it better be. I sent them an email inquiring.

Here's an e-mail sent to me on June 20th from Greddy:

"Subject : Re: Greddy Bolt-On Turbo Kit #11520633

Thanks for your interest in GReddy Products
Currently this turbo kit does not have a CARB E.O. to making it 50 state
street legal.
Although the turbo kit should pass all smog sniffer test. This is because
it still utilizes all the factory emission related hardware. We are
currently looking into having our kits tested for a CARB E.O. number.
Please keep in touch further updates."

So is Greddy's 240SX Turbo Kit 50 State Legal? - NO!

[SDS14Driver]

not just a "no." a capital NO. haha. where's the legal shit at these days?

[vinhisbored]

It's just hard to come by when you're going turbo..

[vinhisbored]

Oh yeah.. NRG.. I ordered the flange a while ago.. like two weeks ago, and when I got it.. hey.. to my luck.. THAT SHIT DOES NOT FIT! So, $20 wasted.. if anyone wants/needs it.. let me know. (It's too small.)