17x9 17x10 4 Lug!!

[KiDyNomiTe]

The Magic of 3 piece wheels.

Old lips
http://members.aol.com/evccgr1/badlip.jpg

New Lips
http://members.aol.com/evccgr1/lips.jpg

Lips on wheels
http://members.aol.com/evccgr1/goodlip.jpg
http://home.comcast.net/~bollocks120/brian2.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~bollocks120/brian3.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~bollocks120/brian6.JPG
http://home.comcast.net/~bollocks120/brian1.JPG

Note: This is a friends car.

[raging panda]

hotness, where did you order the lips from?

[kandyflip445]

That's cool. Do you use loctite on the fasteners?

[tomenugen]

what were the original sizes of the rim?
can you ask your friend how s/he went about doing this process...seems cool.

[Gjohnson7]

Hey guys, if you read the bottom of the post. He says its a friends car. Not sure if he will have all your answers.

Looks good. :coolugh:

[KiDyNomiTe]

raging panda - http://www.kodiakracingwheels.com/

kandyflip445 - yes...

tomenugen - 17x7 17x8 +38

I know enough about what he did considering I was there for most of it.

The wheels are now 17x9 +8? 3"lip 225/45/17 ES100
17x10 +11? 3.5" lip 235/45/17 SONAR NCbCF :)

Version Select Full kit, Origin overfenders, S14 LCAs

[raging panda]

using the s14 lca did you have to use s13 balljoint or bushing, or is it bolt on as is?

[KiDyNomiTe]

Use a washer. S14 ball joints are slightly longer.

[atom]

Panasports, nice. :)

How much were the shells from Kodiak?

[Sil Beer S13]

^ thats a tad unsafe.

I used S14 LCA and S13 ball joints.

[Crab Spirits]

How is it unsafe?

The S14 ball joint is identical, it's just 1/16" longer and doesn't have enough threads to allow the nut to tighten it onto the s13 knuckle. I simply threw on a 1/8" thick washer under the nut. Being a taper fit, that thing isn't going anywhere.

Lips=$600
Wheels=$600

$1200 hotness

[cheez80]

hot. i like the fender pull.

[hoochiscrazy]

this is a great idea, how about a list of wheels that we could do this to?

[KiDyNomiTe]

this is a great idea, how about a list of wheels that we could do this to?
lol that would be rediculously long and complicated.

You can do it with any real multipiece wheel. You must figure out if you can take it apart first, some wheels are welded together, some just have some sealnt on them.

Then comes lots of measuring.

[Ritz S14]

Sweeet. Now all you need to do to swap tires.. is to take apart the wheel, and reassemble them with your new tires on.

[SilviaDriver]

now 4luggers cant bitch about no wheels for 4lug

[boro240]

Yeah I emailed these guys last year about my wheels, and they said they couldnt help me because my wheels have a "soft type edge" or something. Sucks.

(edit) here is the actual reply from them:
Hello Nate,
We do make replacement parts for some manufacturers but currently we do not supply the parts like you need. Your wheels have the "soft" lip edge and we do not produce that. Sorry.

Daryle
Kodiak Motorsports Inc.

So I guess it isn't ALL multipiece wheels. For reference, my wheels are 15in Volk Mesh. And I have no idea what a "soft" lip edge is, btw.

[tomenugen]

does anyone else know what "soft" lip edge means? I'm very interested in getting a shell for my Rezax. They look like this if it helps:
http://www.wheelspecs.com/specs/images/WheelModels/rezax.png

[wanganwonder]

dang, i thought my 16x9/16x10 simmons were the coolest 4 luggers. my offset is lower i think though. not sure of it exactly.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Sweeet. Now all you need to do to swap tires.. is to take apart the wheel, and reassemble them with your new tires on.
Why does everyone say that?

quote from the owner


Break loose 35 bolts (those bitches were on)
Disc is in there kinda tight so hammer/press/kick off
Clean bolts, center gasket ring, and inner, outer shells of sealant
Media blast disc and bolt heads
Paint disc and bolt heads
Coat lips/ center ring with LIGHT coat of sealant (silicone)
Get lips sorta on the disc with plastic mallet
Locktite 35 bolts
tighten 35 bolts evenly
Low torque 35 bolts evenly
final torque 35 bolts in a criss cross fashion

Not to take you seriously, but we're talking over 2.5 hours labor per wheel. I did take off the old tires that way though.


Soft edge lips? Not too sure what that means, did you ask for an identical copy just bigger? Should have asked what exactly that meant.

[Pank]

no, but they can bitch about wheels that arent 2 or 3 peice, which are common as shit.

[atom]

Soft lip is kind of the same thing as reverse drop center, meaning the outer lip is not stepped. You can get them replaced, you just have to look somewhere other than Kodiak since apparently they only make stepped lip halves.

[Ian]

i thought the soft lip is the one that's kinda wavy...the other style is w/ a sharp edge

so the lips on these wheels are "soft"

[SRkouki]

wow that coupe looks really good! i like the sequence of pics too ;)

[tomenugen]

You can get them replaced, you just have to look somewhere other than Kodiak since apparently they only make stepped lip halves.

i tried looking up aftermarket shells, replacement shells, replacement lip, rims, etc, but no luck. any other companies/sites?

[TheSnail]

Last night I had a dream about getting three peice wheels, and in the dream I was recalling this thread. This is the first thread that has ever been in my dreams. I figure I'd share. That means if you have never typed anything, I would have never had the dream. I would have had a different dream, which could be a good or bad thing. The rim dream was OK, as far as fun in the dream. I rated it a 5/10. I figured I would share, since if you ask me, making people dream something is an accomplishment.

[BaliLover]

You wouldn't be able to make a wheel that doesn't fit (too high offset) fit this way would you? All this does is extend how far out the wheel is in relation to the fender edge correct? This wouldn't affect backspacing in the least right?

BTW, both the fronts and the rears now have +12.6 offset. The backspacing on the wheels never changed all he did was extend the outer lip 2" on each wheel. Since each wheel was modified identically, they would all still have identical offsets just like before.

[KiDyNomiTe]

You wouldn't be able to make a wheel that doesn't fit (too high offset) fit this way would you? All this does is extend how far out the wheel is in relation to the fender edge correct? This wouldn't affect backspacing in the least right?

BTW, both the fronts and the rears now have +12.6 offset. The backspacing on the wheels never changed all he did was extend the outer lip 2" on each wheel. Since each wheel was modified identically, they would all still have identical offsets just like before.

You can buy inner and outer lips meaning you can virtually make anything, BUT that ends up being really expensive.

The measurments can not be determined that simple, face design plays a big role in it. Yes backspacing wont change but offset isnt backspacing. Th wheels were not modified identically. IIRC the fronts got 3.5" Lips and the rears have 4" lips. The offsets I listed are guesses from measuring and closer to what they really are.

[nissan_driver24]

i really like the way the wheels look.... nice coupe too

[qt_240]

did you sell your old ssr's already ?

[KiDyNomiTe]

http://www.versionselect.com/images/crab8.jpg
If you mean those, no he still has them. He has an interested buyer, but PM me about em I guess.

[BaliLover]

If he went from 7" to 9" and from 8" to 10", then he only extended the wheels 2". If the original 7" wheel had a 1" lip, adding 2" would make a 3" lip, but the wheel is still only 9" wide. The same is true of the rear wheels, if they originally had a 2" lip, adding 2" would give you about a 4" lip, but still the wheel has only increased 2" in width. The offsets are not the same as original, but they are identical between the front and rear wheels, just like before.

[llteddy4playll]

Is that a s14 wing?

[boro240]

These are the wheels in question:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/boro240/other%20stuff/DSC00419.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/boro240/other%20stuff/DSC00425.jpg

And this is my exact wording to them:
Hello, I was wondering if you made shells to fit your wheels, or other wheels too. I have a set of 15x6.5 +19 (4.5 backspace) Volk Mesh wheels, that I would like to make wider by about one inch or so (making them 15x7.5 +6). I was wondering if this was possible, and how much this would cost. Also, the shipping would be to Hawaii (96707). Attatched are pictures of said wheels. Thank you.

[KiDyNomiTe]

If he went from 7" to 9" and from 8" to 10", then he only extended the wheels 2". If the original 7" wheel had a 1" lip, adding 2" would make a 3" lip, but the wheel is still only 9" wide. The same is true of the rear wheels, if they originally had a 2" lip, adding 2" would give you about a 4" lip, but still the wheel has only increased 2" in width. The offsets are not the same as original, but they are identical between the front and rear wheels, just like before.
You are forgetting that offset is based off of the center of the wheel and has nothing to do with wheel width. If the offsets were 0 that would be true. You are thinking all that was done was 2 inches added to each wheel, but rather its 2 inches bigger than what the old ones were. The old ones were different sizes therefor the new ones will be different sizes.

The difference in offset I beleive just comes from measurments, trying to measure the exact amount of the wheel half you need so that the wheel is exactly 10 inches is difficult. Its also hard to measure the offset once its all done. They are prolly off by a little, but theoretically they should be the same in this situation.

Boro - They might have been just talking about making a lip that looks like yours. Take your wheel apart, measure the bolt pattern. Then measure the wheel half you are replacing, and add an inch to it. I can't see why it wont fit.

[kings_blend]

Theres a guy selling Work Equip Mesh 18x10 +7 and 18x12 +22 for $1250 on g35driver.com someone should check those out but they asre 5 lug. Sorry I just had to post this.

Heres the link if you wanna see em.
http://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55071

[BaliLover]

Unless he changed the distance between the back of the wheel and the mounting hub, the offsets will be identical between the front and rear, just like before. Yes the offsets changed, they got smaller, but they got smaller equally.

If the wheels were increased in width by 2" simply by adding a different lip, and the face and body of the rim remained original, then the backspacing wouldn't change on either wheel, it would remain the same as it was when they were 7" and 8". The only reason offset changed is because the center of the wheel is now different, but nothing changed between the rear of the rims and the hub, so they still mount just like before, no closer or further away from the strut than before. SInce they had identical offsets before, and the same modification has been performed to both wheels (increase in width by 2"), the offsets will still remain identical.

[drift into a curb]

BaliLover, it changes it. The offset is a measurement from "cutting the barrel" in half to acquire the zero offset If you change the front half of the barrel, that will effectively change the measurement of where the zero offset is. Whether you want to say it changes the offset or not, it does in reality. It seems like you have it the other way around. Now if you had replaced the back half of the barrel, to the same as the front, then yes you can get the same offset.

[Pank]

Balilover, look up the definitions of Offset and Backspacing, since you obviously have them confused.

[atom]

LOL reading comprehension owns you guys. He didn't say offset doesn't change, he said the offset has to change the same amount if you're adding the same amount of width to the outer half of both wheels.

And yes, he's right.

[BaliLover]

Yup, I'm aware the offset changed, I stated it in my first post, but what I stated was that both the front and the rear wheels have identical offsets, +12.6

I also understand the difference between backspacing and offset, and if you know one, you can find the other just by knowing the wheel width. Offset is the distance from the center of the wheel to the mounting hub on the face, and backspacing is the distance from the mounting hub on the face to the back edge of the wheel (the side by the strut). Look at the pictures posted, nothing changed between the face and the back of the rim, only the outside lip was widened so backspacing never changed. If backspacing doesn't change between the rims, and the same modification is performed on them (both front and rear extended 2" by adding wider lips) then yes the offset changed, but it doesn't vary between front and rear, just like it didn't before the mod. They WERE both +38, and now BOTH ARE +12.6. I'll prove it below.

I can do the math in the open if you'd like. For a 7" wide rim, the center of the rim is at 3.5". We'll convert this from inches to millimeters by multiplying by 25.4 (mm per inch) and we get 88.9mm. Half of a 7" wheel is 88.9mm. To find the back spacing, we add the offset of +38mm and we get 126.9mm backspacing. This figure never changes in the senario presented in this post, since the distance between the inside edge of the rim and the face/hub of the rim isn't affected by changing the outside lips.

So, for a 9" wheel, half of the wheel width is 4.5". Once again, convert to metric by multiplying by 25.4. Half the wheel width is now 114.3mm and the wheel is 228.6mm wide total. Since we don't know the offset of the modified rims, but we know that backspacing hasn't been affected, we will use the backspacing and and center width to find the offset. The math formula for this is Backspacing - Half the wheel width = offset. This means that 126.9 (backspacing found on unmodified rim above) - 114.3 (half width of wheel in MM) = 12.6, or the current offset. You can check to see if this is correct by adding the center width to the new offset, and if it equals the backspacing, your math is right. Just like mine.

[atom]

Technically the backspacing is larger than your numbers because backspacing is usually measured at the very edge of the rim where as a rim's width is measured at where the tire beads to it.

[tomenugen]

WHO CARES. I like your friend's new rims kidynomite. i give him props. the directions you quoted from your friend are kinda vague though. i got lost after the whole unscrewing 34-36 bolts.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Yup, I'm aware the offset changed, I stated it in my first post, but what I stated was that both the front and the rear wheels have identical offsets, +12.6

I also understand the difference between backspacing and offset, and if you know one, you can find the other just by knowing the wheel width. Offset is the distance from the center of the wheel to the mounting hub on the face, and backspacing is the distance from the mounting hub on the face to the back edge of the wheel (the side by the strut). Look at the pictures posted, nothing changed between the face and the back of the rim, only the outside lip was widened so backspacing never changed. If backspacing doesn't change between the rims, and the same modification is performed on them (both front and rear extended 2" by adding wider lips) then yes the offset changed, but it doesn't vary between front and rear, just like it didn't before the mod. They WERE both +38, and now BOTH ARE +12.6. I'll prove it below.

I can do the math in the open if you'd like. For a 7" wide rim, the center of the rim is at 3.5". We'll convert this from inches to millimeters by multiplying by 25.4 (mm per inch) and we get 88.9mm. Half of a 7" wheel is 88.9mm. To find the back spacing, we add the offset of +38mm and we get 126.9mm backspacing. This figure never changes in the senario presented in this post, since the distance between the inside edge of the rim and the face/hub of the rim isn't affected by changing the outside lips.

So, for a 9" wheel, half of the wheel width is 4.5". Once again, convert to metric by multiplying by 25.4. Half the wheel width is now 114.3mm and the wheel is 228.6mm wide total. Since we don't know the offset of the modified rims, but we know that backspacing hasn't been affected, we will use the backspacing and and center width to find the offset. The math formula for this is Backspacing - Half the wheel width = offset. This means that 126.9 (backspacing found on unmodified rim above) - 114.3 (half width of wheel in MM) = 12.6, or the current offset. You can check to see if this is correct by adding the center width to the new offset, and if it equals the backspacing, your math is right. Just like mine.


Ok so I didnt even read this cuz it didnt start with I am wrong.

Did you read my last post

The difference in offset I beleive just comes from measurments, trying to measure the exact amount of the wheel half you need so that the wheel is exactly 10 inches is difficult. Its also hard to measure the offset once its all done. They are prolly off by a little, but theoretically they should be the same in this situation.

I'll say it again. Try and measure your wheels down to the mm. Then convert it into inches. They are not going to come out perfect. Therefore a few mms have been lost. If anything the wheels are like 17x10.05 and 17x9.1 (these are just numbers I am making up).

One more time - Its an error in measurements, Loss in translation, error in creation, whatever you want to call it.

tomenugen - its pretty simple when you do it. Its like taking anything else apart, learn by doing.

[Sky240PWR]

mine are 18x9 up front and 18x11 in the back and mine are 3 piece and 4 lug too!!

http://www.zilvia.net/f/attachment.php?attachmentid=8847