The SE-R is a better car then the USDM 240sx.

[exitspeed]

This is an arguement I had over on my R Club's forums. Thought maybe you guys could give me a hand. He claims that SE-R's outperform 240's in every aspect. Sorry I didn't do the best job arguing with him. But I was getting pissed.

It starts about the a 1/4 of the way down the 3rd page with the Eurorated guys comment of...

"240's are trucks.. pretty simple i thought. kinda funny when Nissans sports car directly following the 300z in the heirarchy is trumped by an SE-R Sentra in nearly all contests of speed. .. SE-R's arent fast.. and the fact that the 240 wears the panties to a Sentra only strengthens my point. the 240sx is a truck"



http://www.teamrushcc.com/wforum/viewtopic.php?t=2101

[OptionZero]

They're right. 240sx's suck. Oh well. Should you sell urs?

[SoCalS14]

Not another "my d1ck is bigger than your d1ck" thread...

[HyperTek]

i take anything sentra related with a grain of salt... yah sentras are pretty good, you know how many people you can fit in one?? dont get me started on bags of groceries...

[gonzoes14k]

Just be happy we all drive some form of a Nissan.

[Yoshi]

he's a good arguer, a lil misinformed, and definitely biased, but he held his position fairly well. I'd say stock for stock, SE-R > 240sx. But who races full stock? No one. So he only wins on paper really.

Besides, you're a mod there, why do you let him trash talk? Arguing facts is one thing, but the second it becomes things like, "my SE-R puts the panties on you", that's a personal attack, I dunno why you'd let someone disrespect you like that... letting him say crap like that just makes the forum look bad, not just you.

side note:
wtf kind of slang is that? "puts the panties on you"?
What the hell does that mean? implying that you're turned into a female cuz of some virtual "panties"? That's gotta be the stupidest diss I've ever heard.

[exitspeed]

Wow, you guys have no cometitive spirit at all :wtc:

[exitspeed]

he's a good arguer, a lil misinformed, and definitely biased, but he held his position fairly well. I'd say stock for stock, SE-R > 240sx. But who races full stock? No one. So he only wins on paper really.

Besides, you're a mod there, why do you let him trash talk? Arguing facts is one thing, but the second it becomes things like, "my SE-R puts the panties on you", that's a personal attack, I dunno why you'd let someone disrespect you like that... letting him say crap like that just makes the forum look bad, not just you.

side note:
wtf kind of slang is that? "puts the panties on you"?
What the hell does that mean? implying that you're turned into a female cuz of some virtual "panties"? That's gotta be the stupidest diss I've ever heard.


I let people speak pretty openly on there. I know that the 240 is supirior so I didn't get that mad about that. I was just getting frustrated at the fact that I wasn't ab;e to provide more examples why he's wrong.

[RBS14]

I've owned both. 240 is far better. End of story.

[infinitexsound]

personally when it comes to autox... i would put my money on the 240.... nobody likes a understeer magnet.... anything but the b15 chassis is coo... b15 are gay..........

[Dutchmalmiss]

dang, i learned a lot about the se-r there. he actually did make a good, strong argument with the sources provided. i always wanted a b13 se-r, but no money. i'll be fine with my sr swapped 240. lol.

[Gjohnson7]

side note:
wtf kind of slang is that? "puts the panties on you"?
What the hell does that mean? implying that you're turned into a female cuz of some virtual "panties"? That's gotta be the stupidest diss I've ever heard.


"Virtual Panties" :bowrofl: :rofl: :keke:

[seiyess]

do you wanna look 240sx or sentra?
i wonder which one will be better when they crash each other..?

[hkspeed]

i like the new Altima SER's

[exitspeed]

i like the new Altima SER's

I think Nissan failed misuerably on that one. Especially when you comare it to a MazdaSpeed 6 for the same price.

[CKAMC]

converting a b14 from FF to AWD then maybe we can start to talk about whats cool and whats not but as long as its FF its still nothing too great to brag about....and yes b15's are gay

[futureteg]

nothing like comparing apples to oranges
RWD Coupe/Hatchback....vs FWD Sedan

[Kreator]

lol. everyone is missing one important thing:

SRT4 arre still t3h f4staarrrrrr!!!1111one!!one11one

looks like people are on a roll tonight.

[sr13det]

Just like most of you agree b13 se-r's and b14 se-r's are badass in my opinion. Personally a stock 95' b14 se-r is better than a 89-94' 240 with a KA.

[TUnity2]

You can hardly compare the 2 cars because they are very different. just to start, they dont even have the same drivetrain setup.

[ZK]

Two totally different cars. Yes, stock for stock, the SE-R is faster than a 240SX. But this is like comparing apples to oranges. Totally different cars made for totally diferent reasons. The AWD vs FR vs FF argument is irrelevant, there are fast cars with all sorts of drivetrain.

I'll give that the "classic" Sentra SE-R was awesome (early 90s) but the late 90s and up were like huge potato looking things. Econo car first with some suspension and engine thrown in and marketed as a "sporty" car to fill a gap in Nissan's line up - The Sentra has always been Nissan's answer to Honda's domination in that catagory.

[drew935]

Just be happy we all drive some form of a Nissan.
:werd: :hug: :zzz: :jerkit: :ughug: :drama:

[OptionZero]

And as I recall, the B13 SE-R is a pretty badass AutoX/track car in its own right. Can even hang with Type-R's when properly set up. Probably among the top of the heap for cheap fun econocars, far better than any Civic.

[wootwoot]

I love those things, the b13 which is what I assume we are talking about. Only problem though, FWD

[SimpleS14]

The B15 came to the states, the S15 did not. case closed.


<== random post of the day (don't take it seriously)

[s14turbosilvia]

I owned a B14 SR20DE sentra. econobox...definately. Fun to drive...definately!!! I actually took it to the drag strip, and the best i could pull out was a 16.2 @ 89mph, but I did some small and fun mods to it that made me happy to drive it.
Stock for stock, a B13 could hang with an S13 all day. When comparing the car in an "all-around" frame of mind, the cars are about equal, taking into mind gas mileage, driveability, sportiness, power, etc. But when you really want to race a car, mod it, LOVE IT, the S13 chassis will walk all over the B13.

But I <3 all Nissan's.

[Irukandji]

umm .. this can be solved easily..

u guys are just talking talking talking... why dont u jus show him up in person already..

(hmm not trying to hint any illegal activity here ;-) )

[infinitexsound]

only reason why i think the b15 is gay is because i raced my bro's friend in a clover run on the highway..... couldnt keep up...

and a guy i know who had a b13 se-r with a jdm sr20de, his car was a little rocket... great handling cars for a fwd.. i was very surprised...< oh yeah that guy hes dead, good riddens..i should of took his car...

[mbmbmb23]

I'll take a brand new (if it were possible) S13 over a brand new B15 any day. I bet a fresh OEM KA24DE could keep up with a B15. Most 240sx's I see on the roads are BEAT down........shot suspension.....150k miles...etc. That's why they are soo affordible....and the affordability is why they are popular "budget" enthusiast cars. It's not fair to compare an old car to something current like the new Sentra because all the components have soo many miles on them the 240sx has a disadvantage to start with.

Which is better? Just look at the aftermarket.......because in the end that's what excites an "enthusiast" like myself and keeps me interested in my car (S13), the possiblity for my car to evolve...and with the S13/S14 platform, the sky is the limit.

Besides...which chassis actually offered an OEM turbo configuration?......not the Sentra. That's huge in my opinion.....opens many doors as far as performance mod potential with OEM fitment and reliability. Whats that...OBD2 you say?....not on my S13 thank you very much.



-m

[Ian]

yeah if the sentra is so much better then why isnt the Sentra one of the most popular, most recognized, most sought after import cars out there?

[infinitexsound]

it is.............go do some research.... ur just picking up a 240 because of the drift scene admit it

[Whiplash Willy]

Sentras dont even have independant rear suspension and they are FWD.
Also, they say a stock Sentra can out perform a Stock 240....maybe, sure in the straights, but who cares how fast you can drive in a straight line. What they dont mention is that for the price of a stock sentra, you can build a 240 that will kill the sentra in any contest.

[MakotoS13]

I think Nissan failed misuerably on that one. Especially when you comare it to a MazdaSpeed 6 for the same price.

aside from the queer stance of the car the SER altima is cool. you ever drive one? one of the most ballsy FWD's i've ever driven.

now, if only they reduced the front fender gap by like a friggin inch....

[thx247]

some SER was a second quicker than my stock hicas 240 on streets of willows, its not a slouch of a car. The weight advantage of the sentra is very difficult to beat. 2500lb vs my 2800lb. Ouch.

[s14turbosilvia]

Actually, they did offer a Sentra in OEM turbocharged versions, i.e. GTi-R, Pulsar, etc. Many B13/14/early B15 Sentra models are easliy swapped for FWD SR20DET's, which by the way, are going for much cheaper than your standard S13 redtop swap!

Nissan also offered a 200hp, high compression, N/A, FWD SR20DE with variable valve timing, dubbed the "NEO VVL" which when swapped into a B13 SE-R, could show a Type R around a track. And lets not forget the T28 ball bearing turbo and four individual throttle bodies that came on a GTi-R.

True, there may be more aftermarket goodies for the S-chassis, but thats only because that is what Zilvia entails. Take a trip over to www.sr20deforum.com and do some research over there. I think you'll find the B-chassis is a formidable opponent in the aftermarket world.

[HaLo]

3 things that give the S13 the advantage in the end:
- No Torque Steer
- Less Under Steer
- Better Weight Balance

But stock vs stock, B15 SE-R are quicker because they are newer (non worn-out parts, newer technology).

[mbmbmb23]

Actually, they did offer a Sentra in OEM turbocharged versions, i.e. GTi-R, Pulsar, etc.


Was there a B15 GTiR equivalent?.....the B15 is the chassis I was under the impression we were comparing to the 240sx. Was there a JDM B15 offered as a Nissan OEM turboed car?



-m

[TurDz]

Well, I think the RWD vs. FWD argument can come in here a lil bit. At autocross speeds and moderate track speeds, either drivetrain platform can be faster from modifications, weight savings, etc. RWD becomes advantageous at high speeds just because the "jobs" of the car are split, power in the rear, steering/main braking in the front.

Tires have their friction limits, and when they're always subjected to the maximum cornering force the tire can handle (lateral and longitudinal), you just can't brake, turn, and accelerate as efficiently as a RWD car.

and I think the best argument is 240SX RWD cars are just more FUN!

[infinitexsound]

turdz good point........ but anyone who doesnt think a b13 se-r cant compete because of the fwd platform doesnt know what theyre talkin about... whiplash willy u my friend do not know what ur talkin about im pretty daymn sure the sentra's have IRS.... last time i checked they never had a solid rear axle in the back.... they might have that big long subframe chassis bar that complicates racing alignments but thats nothing. when ppl do fab something up and chop a few things to make them able too.... ive seen them go, and they can go....

[s14turbosilvia]

I'm at least positive that my B14 had a solid rear suspension. Nothing independant about 'em!

[s14turbosilvia]

Was there a B15 GTiR equivalent?.....the B15 is the chassis I was under the impression we were comparing to the 240sx. Was there a JDM B15 offered as a Nissan OEM turboed car?



-m

Not to my knowledge.

[sciamop]

I hate benchracers... I have both cars:

B13 SE-R: fast, fun, handsome, nimble, revvy SR20DE, easy to drive, slightly shoddy build quality.
S13 240sx: bigger, slicker, sexy looking, sporty interior, lazy KA24, decent build quality.

Add the SR20DET to the S13 and it's a superior sports car. Although, the Sentra would also be a handful with 220hp! I like to think of the B13 as the S13's cousin -- same bloodline but very different personality.

Either way, Nissan products from the early 90s KICK ASS: Z32TT, B13, S13, Q45, etc... these were all amazing cars.

Todd
93 Coupe
91 SE-R

PS B13 SE-R has IRS and the coupe de grace: FWD VLSD! B14/15 has the cursed beam rear axle.

[Ian]

it is.............go do some research.... ur just picking up a 240 because of the drift scene admit it



i know plenty enough about sentras thank you, and i really dont care to learn any more about them. What makes you assume i bought my 240 because of the drift scene? You dont know anything about me OR my car. Yes, i am into drifting. No i did not get my 240 because of that. I didnt even know what drifting was when i bought my car.


and the sentra ISNT as sought after or as recognized as a performance car. Ask around. Maybe in the tight little circles of sentra enthusiasts it is, but look around you. How many kids do you hear saying, "oh man, i want a sentra because they're soo fast!"

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[Eternal_240Sx]

Ever since SCC wrote that article about the KA being a "truck" motor everyone thinks it is... FYI the ka came in the stanza first.

[Pank]

it came in more cars than trucks, but whatever, people will keep calling it a truck motor. I guess the vq35 is a truck motor, b/c it came in the Murano

[Eternal_240Sx]

lets not forget the vipers and corvette share the engines with trucks too.. do people still consider it a truck motor? i think not

[wootwoot]

One a these days I will have my Ford f150 with a b18c5 mid engine.

[7gm240sx]

I drive a white 04' SE-R Spec V and I love it. Nismo header w/o cat, greddy evo 2 exhaust, Nismo CAI, Bronze 17" Nismo wheels, 35% tint, Progress springs.
I autocross every other week.

I just bought a 95 240sx as a project car. :)

[exitspeed]

I drive a white 04' SE-R Spec V and I love it. Nismo header w/o cat, greddy evo 2 exhaust, Nismo CAI, Bronze 17" Nismo wheels, 35% tint, Progress springs.
I autocross every other week.

I just bought a 95 240sx as a project car. :)

I have 2 friends that have SE-R's...and they don't argue with me

[hellspare]

Yes sentras are faster stock vs stock, but think of the price..
I doubt a 92 sentra can beat an s13 in a straightaway by much, unless the ka is in really bad condition.
If you are comparing the 04 sentras with s14s, you've got to realize that the sentra is 6 years moderner(haha is that even a word). If you brought a s15 to America and raced it against the sentra, who'd win?...We all know.

Btw, if you had 10k to throw into a 7k s14, how fast would you be able to do the 0-60? Exhaust, intake, and headers are around 20 horsepower right? I know a stock 240 goes from 0-60 in around 8 flat. How much would the extra horsepower help? At what horsepower rating would I start seeing 6.XXs?

[MakotoS13]

10K in a S14 in terms of go fast mods?

i 8's if you want em...

[OptionZero]

Yes, an SE-R is not a performance vehicle because "kids" don't want it. Right.

Go to a track or auto X course and you'll see some SE-R's tearing it up. Race them. They'll tear YOU up. But hey, it's not a performance vehicle.

And who the hell is bringing an S15 in to this? is an S15 a USDM 240sx? no sir.

stock S13 v stock B13 SE-R = SE-R wins
modified S13 v modified B13 = driver, too many variables to consider.

and were any of you at JGTC GT Live? There were some prepped SE-R's during some of the Tuner Challenge/Fan Lap times, and even the M3's and prepped BMW's had their hands full. Respect, man, the SE-R is a capable car.

[hellspare]

You need to read my post more carefully. I was comparing with the s15 since there IS no 240 in the US that is anywhere near the year of the Spec R. My point was that one of the many reasons the sentra would walk over the s14 in a straight line is because the ka is probably old and high mileage. No s15 in the US? Fine. Take it to japan and compare, it proves the same damn point. Once again, we all recognize the se-r is a capable car. But any car is capable with a good driver. IMO, the only advantage it has over 240s is the higher horsepower rating.

And yes, in terms of go fast mods.

[MakotoS13]

RWD > FWD

end of story.

quarrel over.

THE END!

[AllenRPS13]

RWD > FWD

end of story.

quarrel over.

THE END!

RWD... More Fun
FWD... Less Fun

The End again!!!

wahahahahahaha :w00t:

[JDMark]

that euroverated is a fuckin moron

[m0rex]

He should be banned.

My wingless zenki s14 with aero, german glass lights, fmic, and work meisters is way sexier than any, i said ANY Sentra would ever be.

0-60 a stock s14 would keep up with a stock newer sentra se-r. Has anyone ever driven the older non se-r sentras and stepped on it... yeah its slow.

Btw the sr20de s15 would probably loose in a straight away vs a newer sentra se-r. I dont know what it is but i think wheel hop or the vtec not kicking in time pawns the se-r at the start. Now in the twisties stock i wouldnt want to understeer into something since you are heating up your tires constantly accelerating and turning with the fwd. I know that everyone hates understeer i have made it my enemy and attacked him with -3.0 camber in the front so far (need some think rear sway bar with the oem holders... anyone???) my pillowball suspension is 40% done.

Last thing i have to say is yes RWD pawns all. - Now whats the funnest lightweight rwd car without spending 10k+ my point exact...

Im not a hater im a lover but theres no way in hell you can make a sentra look nice. I love nissans this is 3:23 am after working on my car for 12 hr straight kicking in. Please disregard my post if you dont like it.

[ranisron]

I had quite a bit of fun in FWD car (U13), now learning and playing with RWD (S13). SE-R is prob one of the best fwd cars one could get to have some fun.

afterall, they are all Nissan.

[sciamop]

Believe it or not, FWD can be EXTREMELY entertaining... Especially when it is packaged into a lightweight rev-happy machine like the B13 SE-R. I highly recommend the SE-R as a second car to anyone with a modded S13.

Cool shit (S13 vs B13):
-- they both have a VLSD and they both function the same way. Slip for a second then progressive grip.
-- the SR20DE pulls much more strongly (in relative terms) to its 7K redline than the DET.
-- B13 SE-R has better seating than the sports-car-wannabe S13... ha ha ha.
-- No poser/bandwagon jumpers/bandwagon finger-pointers for B13.

Another reason why I hate forums: the if-it's-not-the-car-I-drive-it-sucks mentality. The retard from the Milwaukee msg board is a perfect specimen.

Todd
91 SE-R
93 Coupe

[citizen]

Now whats the funnest lightweight rwd car without spending 10k+ my point exact...


RX-7!!!!
miata?
e30 m3?
did i win yet?

[exitspeed]

. The retard from the Milwaukee msg board is a perfect specimen.




Are you refering to him or me?

[hellspare]

RX-7 - Under 10k? Pshh yeah right.
Miata - Way too underpowered.
e30 m3 - NOT ASIAN

[MakotoS13]

Another reason why I hate forums: the if-it's-not-the-car-I-drive-it-sucks mentality. The retard from the Milwaukee msg board is a perfect specimen.

Todd
91 SE-R
93 Coupe

i'd like to think of myself as pretty unbiased when it comes to cars. that's the beauty of a machine. it demonstrates its worth regardless of personal conviction. a stock dropped S13 looks better than a fully kitted hardcore brand new sentra spec-V... why?

THE COKE BOTTLE EFFECT.

FWD 4 door sedans can not create the coke bottle effect thus limiting them at tht very basic level of aesthetic inferiority. then there's performance.

PHYSICS

anytime you are accelerating force is being pushed from the front of the car to the rear. if your driving tires are at the FRONT of said vehicle you're now battling physics instead of just using the best means possible.

front drive cars are for daily drivers and people that dont really care about serious performance OR just enjoy iceskating uphill.

there never has and never will be a FF sports car.

Ever.

[Raysurc]

whats the coke bottle effect makoto?

[theronin]

I drive a white 04' SE-R Spec V and I love it. Nismo header w/o cat, greddy evo 2 exhaust, Nismo CAI, Bronze 17" Nismo wheels, 35% tint, Progress springs.
I autocross every other week.

I just bought a 95 240sx as a project car. :)

first off welcome to zilvia! however what the hell does 35% tint have to do with the performance of your car?

[Jeff240sx]

This thread sucked.
-Jeff