Fujita's Car?

[dannyboi]

Its pretty stupid that people pay that much for a car thats already fixed up.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4548375841&category=6396

[Flybert]

Why is it stupid? If I wanted a car with all the shit on that car and had the money to get it, I'd just buy that whole car and save myself some money and labor. What is the point of posting this shit anyways?

[matlock]

I personally think building the car up is most of the fun....but thats just my .02

[Irukandji]

thats a fine lookin 240... but building it wud've probably been a lot more fun.... and expensive

[s14srpilot]

Zilvians are narrow minded and cheap. No vision on how to make money. Maybe that's why they buy 240's and fix them up alll ghetto. Non spent at least $75k on the car. Bid on it for $20k max and part it out. Sell the car for 10k, motor for 5k wheels for 1500, seats for 1500, clutch for 1000, lsd for 1000, the car pays for itself. Anything else sold from the car is pure profit.

[Steeles]

geez the tomei crate motor in that things worth 12000 alone. go to tomeis site and price a Genisis crate motor. chit. the current bid is STILL cheap for what alls in that car and been done to it. cars got a damn long and fine history. I remember seeing it on the cover of super street back in like 99 or something. I'd buy it just for the motor at this point. thats the same plant tomei sticks in the JGTC cars iirc

[futureteg]

there is still more than 8 days till this auction is over...i'm sure it'll get up in $$$

[TheTicTac]

Zilvians are narrow minded and cheap. No vision on how to make money. Maybe that's why they buy 240's and fix them up alll ghetto. Non spent at least $75k on the car. Bid on it for $20k max and part it out. Sell the car for 10k, motor for 5k wheels for 1500, seats for 1500, clutch for 1000, lsd for 1000, the car pays for itself. Anything else sold from the car is pure profit.

I love that optimistic point of view, of how it's soooo easy to sell something off to 240 people. You know for a fact that you'll never get those prices you listed for those items.

[Annoying Eric]

geez the tomei crate motor in that things worth 12000 alone. go to tomeis site and price a Genisis crate motor. chit. the current bid is STILL cheap for what alls in that car and been done to it. cars got a damn long and fine history. I remember seeing it on the cover of super street back in like 99 or something. I'd buy it just for the motor at this point. thats the same plant tomei sticks in the JGTC cars iirc



That doesnt look like the tomei crate engine. Last time i checked tomei didnt use hks turbos, And they also use a signature valve cover... So yeah...

Now for what i think... You dont own the car unless you build it.. Anyone an go and buy something and make a car fast, but not anyone can go and build some sick motor.. I personally have never had a car built for me.. But to each his own...

[s14srpilot]

I love that optimistic point of view, of how it's soooo easy to sell something off to 240 people. You know for a fact that you'll never get those prices you listed for those items.

Depends on how good of a sales person you are and who you are selling to.

[trsilvias13]

is that a zenki cluster in that pic? cant tell reallysince it all black

[Buffalo Daughter]

That doesnt look like the tomei crate engine. Last time i checked tomei didnt use hks turbos, And they also use a signature valve cover... So yeah...



what are you talking about? Tomei CRATE engines don't come with turbos. It did also have the valve cover but obviously non changed it. Non's car is priceless and to buy it and part it out is just pathetic. I'd take it for all its worth. Maybe just change the rims and the body kit but all else stays. To appreiciate all that is put into this car you really have to do your homework. This car was above all back in 99' on the cover of superstreet. I still think this car rocks. I mean the list of parts on this car would make you go broke in a second. This car should be put on permanent display. And also i might add to say something stupid like how much you would pay for a car thats already fixed up, chit you most but dumb because you dont know shit about history and a car's worth.

[MakotoS13]

hey danny, choke on sand and die. that car is hardcore. whats the diff between buying that or some 30K used supra? fuggin nothin, the car is set up very well and aside from the wing is incredibly hardcore [looking] at least.

why do you think someome would buy a prebuilt mustang saleen or lingenfelter vette? cause they dont have the time but they do have the money.

[AllenRPS13]

if u think that is worth, then buy it, that's my theory tho...
it's not about stupid or not...

[atom]

what are you talking about? Tomei CRATE engines don't come with turbos. It did also have the valve cover but obviously non changed it. Non's car is priceless and to buy it and part it out is just pathetic. I'd take it for all its worth. Maybe just change the rims and the body kit but all else stays. To appreiciate all that is put into this car you really have to do your homework. This car was above all back in 99' on the cover of superstreet. I still think this car rocks. I mean the list of parts on this car would make you go broke in a second. This car should be put on permanent display. And also i might add to say something stupid like how much you would pay for a car thats already fixed up, chit you most but dumb because you dont know shit about history and a car's worth.

Buhahah are you kidding me!?!?!? Permanent display? It's a 240sx for fucks sake. Jesus.

[HyperTek]

i think its stupid that people bitch when someone sells a modded car.. dammm 240 people are lowballers, always want em cheap...

[dannyboi]

hey danny, choke on sand and die. that car is hardcore. whats the diff between buying that or some 30K used supra? fuggin nothin, the car is set up very well and aside from the wing is incredibly hardcore [looking] at least.

why do you think someome would buy a prebuilt mustang saleen or lingenfelter vette? cause they dont have the time but they do have the money.

I don't give a damn about the difference between a 30k supra and this... you pulled that comparison out of your ass. Did I compare this to other cars?? Looking back, I don't think so. And I didn't say one bad word about the car, so fuck off.

And you people are hypocrites... if some guy bought it and starting showing it off, people would be saying "he didn't do shit to that car, he bought it that way."

Finally, its fucking stupid to buy a fixed up car .... the reserve is probably 35K to 40K, I wasn't refering to the current price (14K) in my orignal post...and oh yea, ITS A FUCKING 240SX. (And to the asshole who said "chit you most but dumb because you dont know shit about history and a car's worth"..... HAHAHAHAHA!! :cj: )

[Ian]

non fujita's car is one of the first 240s to break into the scene...before drifting was the craze...


i remember seeing this car years ago before i even gave a shit about 240s


it's grounbreaking in our scene whether you like it or not

[Brian]

That car is stupid amazing.

I hope he sells it and makes SOME money back.
I've seen the car many times and know all about it.

[MakotoS13]

I wasn't refering to the current price (14K) in my orignal post...and oh yea, ITS A FUCKING 240SX.

actually its a nice car with a ton of work done to it that is all top notch.

some people dont feel like spending years to perfect one machine. some people are posers, some are drivers, and some are wrenchers. i like wrenching AND driving but some people don't want to do more than maybe bolt on an intake or do simple mods like that.

i want a Z33 because i wouldn't have to replace every bushing in it or repaint the whole thing or replace winshields and moldings. it'd already be a quick car that just needed some tweaking to get it to where i want it to be.

do you realize how much actual work has gone into that car? having done 99.99.9999999999% of the work on my car ALL by myself i have a very good understanding of how much effort and thought has to go into something if you want it to come out looking right.

obviously you LACK this appreciation which makes your opinion worthless.

die.

[anthony240]

Non Fujita, many actually don't know him hahaha, well people i know anyway. He's my hero. This guy was featured on Super Street when he still had his KA. SR what? And of course he didn't wanna get just any SR engine, TOMEI crate, unbelievable. This car and the owner deserve a lot of respect, I'm surprised he's selling it. Even with the "scene" hot with 240's and drifting, he could make a lot of money. Maybe someone will buy it and drive it in Formula D haha. I've "met" Non, he was standing right next to me at the RSR drift festival a couple years back. I recognized him and said hey, can I get your autograph? I hope someone gives this car a great home.

[Flybert]

I don't give a damn about the difference between a 30k supra and this... you pulled that comparison out of your ass. Did I compare this to other cars?? Looking back, I don't think so. And I didn't say one bad word about the car, so fuck off.

Your post just makes you sound like a jealous little bitch because you can't afford to buy a prebuilt race car. Who the fuck cares if someone buys a premade race car? I sure as hell don't.

And you people are hypocrites... if some guy bought it and starting showing it off, people would be saying "he didn't do shit to that car, he bought it that way."

How are we hypocrites for some preconceived assumption that you thought up while sitting in front of your computer?

Finally, its fucking stupid to buy a fixed up car .... the reserve is probably 35K to 40K, I wasn't refering to the current price (14K) in my orignal post...and oh yea, ITS A FUCKING 240SX. (And to the asshole who said "chit you most but dumb because you dont know shit about history and a car's worth"..... HAHAHAHAHA!! :cj: )

It's true. You don't know shit. It's like a valuable baseball card or something along those lines. When something is an important part of history, it can develop a worth based on it's rarity and importance. Non's car was one of or the first car to give 240sx's a name in the U.S. aftermarket industry. In addition, it has thousands and thousands of dollars and labor hours in that thing and could possibly save someone a lot of money and time for somebody who'd like to have a vehicle like it. Shit, if I was looking to switch chassis' and I had the money, I'd buy that car in a heartbeat.

[Brian]

Nobody really knows all the SMALL details he put a lot of time and effort into.
A lot of stuff you wouldn't know unless you talk to him about the car.

I think he might convince me to get a OS carbon clutch. he has (i think) a twin plate in his car and the pedal is so nice.

Non is a really nice guy. Saw him the other day actually.

[NismoSilvia270R]

shame its an sr..

[dannyboi]

Your post just makes you sound like a jealous little bitch because you can't afford to buy a prebuilt race car. Who the fuck cares if someone buys a premade race car? I sure as hell don't.



How are we hypocrites for some preconceived assumption that you thought up while sitting in front of your computer?


It's true. You don't know shit. It's like a valuable baseball card or something along those lines. When something is an important part of history, it can develop a worth based on it's rarity and importance. Non's car was one of or the first car to give 240sx's a name in the U.S. aftermarket industry. In addition, it has thousands and thousands of dollars and labor hours in that thing and could possibly save someone a lot of money and time for somebody who'd like to have a vehicle like it. Shit, if I was looking to switch chassis' and I had the money, I'd buy that car in a heartbeat.

-No, I am not jealous that someone else can buy a prebuilt race car. Let them think they are a "racer" when they don't what the hell is even on the car. They have no creativity to build their own car.

-Take a look at what some guy said about British drivers in the NEW PICTURE THREAD. I know for damn sure he isn't the only one who thinks like that (and I am not just talking about British drivers).

-Finally.... A PART OF HISTORY? No disrespect to Fujita, but his car was a product of the JAPANESE INDUSTRY (hell, he even said it himself). How is that "history?" The fact that he was one of the first to mimic another industry? What about Elton Lo and Padadakis and all those "pioneers" of crappy econoboxes... are those history too?

[s14srpilot]

Nobody really knows all the SMALL details he put a lot of time and effort into.
A lot of stuff you wouldn't know unless you talk to him about the car.

I think he might convince me to get a OS carbon clutch. he has (i think) a twin plate in his car and the pedal is so nice.

Non is a really nice guy. Saw him the other day actually.

This is so true. He even painted the "silvia" logo inside his headlights. Not something that I would do but his car is also a show car and stuff like this wins points. Whoever buys this car is getting a really nice car. It all depends on what the final bid is.

[WILDACEX187]

that car looks mean. do they have overfenders for s13s?

[Wei240]

nice car,

he'll never recover the cost,

yeah, i wouldn't buy a fixed up car because i find it more fun doing it myself,
but if i were to, this car is the shiznit, everything done right

[OptionZero]

I can appreciate the time and money and effort put into the car...but i just don't like the way it looks aesthetically. His money, his choice...just not my taste. Respect anyways tho.

[NOKsk8er01]

i would get if i had money

[90RS13]

-No, I am not jealous that someone else can buy a prebuilt race car. Let them think they are a "racer" when they don't what the hell is even on the car. They have no creativity to build their own car.

What does building a car have to do with racing? Nothing. Do you think that michael schumacher isn't a 'real' racer because he didn't build his F1 car? Of coarse not. Are JGTC drivers not 'real' drivers because they didn't build their cars? Of coarse not.

IMO, when the import scene came over it brought with it a do it your self attitude, mainly because it was started by people with little money, modding civics etc. They didn't have alot of money so they did it themselves. But now that's morphed into everyone wanting to be a 'tuner'. For some reason now alot of the import world thinks that if you can't 'tune', and build up your car yourself then you're not a 'real' racer. That's just ridiculas. Racing means you drive in a car in some sort of competition. Building a car is fun to me, but not everyone likes it, and not everyone has the time, or means.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Non Fujita, many actually don't know him hahaha, well people i know anyway. He's my hero. This guy was featured on Super Street when he still had his KA. SR what? And of course he didn't wanna get just any SR engine, TOMEI crate, unbelievable. This car and the owner deserve a lot of respect, I'm surprised he's selling it. Even with the "scene" hot with 240's and drifting, he could make a lot of money. Maybe someone will buy it and drive it in Formula D haha. I've "met" Non, he was standing right next to me at the RSR drift festival a couple years back. I recognized him and said hey, can I get your autograph? I hope someone gives this car a great home.


Hey Anthony, want my Autograph too???

Anyways, this car was the one car that made me realise that 240s have potential. This was back when shiet the only part i could find was intake, header and exhaust. *remember Greddy Headers???* :fawkd: Car was one of the first few who had an SR before Superstreet blew the lid on it. Not just any SR out there...Just thinking bout that engine makes me drool. Wait come thinking bout it, Anybody got stats on the car as far as HP???

[Ritz S14]

Haha.. I have the issue of Super Street when they featured that car... that was err 6 years ago probably.

[Flybert]

-No, I am not jealous that someone else can buy a prebuilt race car. Let them think they are a "racer" when they don't what the hell is even on the car. They have no creativity to build their own car.

If a person like me bought that car, I'd know exactly what I'm getting into and I'd be saving myself time and money. Because of the extensive parts on that car and the high price tag, most likely it will be bought by someone who sees the worth of the parts.


-Take a look at what some guy said about British drivers in the NEW PICTURE THREAD. I know for damn sure he isn't the only one who thinks like that (and I am not just talking about British drivers).

I don't give a shit about one guy on here who has the same opinion as you because Non's car is insane and anybody who has a decent knowledge of the shit on the car can see the worth in buying it. This isn't just some s-chassis car with a "swap" and "suspension".


-Finally.... A PART OF HISTORY? No disrespect to Fujita, but his car was a product of the JAPANESE INDUSTRY (hell, he even said it himself). How is that "history?" The fact that he was one of the first to mimic another industry? What about Elton Lo and Padadakis and all those "pioneers" of crappy econoboxes... are those history too?

The whole history of that car is the least of my concerns. The main point is what I've been saying about the parts and labor. That shit is worth it if you have the money.

[dannyboi]

If a person like me bought that car, I'd know exactly what I'm getting into and I'd be saving myself time and money. Because of the extensive parts on that car and the high price tag, most likely it will be bought by someone who sees the worth of the parts.




I don't give a shit about one guy on here who has the same opinion as you because Non's car is insane and anybody who has a decent knowledge of the shit on the car can see the worth in buying it. This isn't just some s-chassis car with a "swap" and "suspension".



The whole history of that car is the least of my concerns. The main point is what I've been saying about the parts and labor. That shit is worth it if you have the money.

No shit his car is insane. But, how much you want to bet nobody will think the car is worth it (in other words he won't sell it)....

[s14srpilot]

Why would you bet on something stupid like that? If it gets bought at whatever price so be it. Why is it such a big deal to you?

[Juujai]

im with optionzero. i think it looks like shizz. looks like the typical car i'd find in superstreet or import tuner. ugly aero kit. i remember i got pissed off looking at that car from super street.

[240KAT]

i remember seeing this car a long time ago too. It looked familier when i first saw it, but know that ive read all the posts, i know it.

This car really is amazing, while ive never seen it in person, i do remember seeing it and not really knowing what it was. Thats part of the cool aspect of it. You say 'wow' not just when you first see it, but when you look back at it as well.

[Flybert]

No shit his car is insane. But, how much you want to bet nobody will think the car is worth it (in other words he won't sell it)....

It's been up for sale for months now and nobody has bought it. That is OK though because if he was really looking to get money for it fast, I'm sure he'd part it out, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

im with optionzero. i think it looks like shizz. looks like the typical car i'd find in superstreet or import tuner. ugly aero kit. i remember i got pissed off looking at that car from super street.

Who gives a shit about what it looks like? Looks can be changed easily. If you put $1000 dollar in another bodykit, you could have that car looking like whatever you want it to look like. A person who can buy that car most likely has the money to do it too. I'd take a car that looks like ass but performs amazingly over a car that looks amazing and performs like shit any day of the week. The funny thing is that Non's car doesn't look that bad anyways. The point of the matter is that Non's car is pure substance. I don't know of one 240sx in the states that has that much nice shit in it.

[richardxfeng]

That's a NICE car!!

[dannyboi]

Why would you bet on something stupid like that? If it gets bought at whatever price so be it. Why is it such a big deal to you?

Wow, you read too literally....

[NekoPunch]

Wow, that car has been around forever. Does anyone know why he's selling it?

[BOMEX180]

THats the OG of 240's LOL. THe car's purpose has already been fulfilled. Time to sell and move on to the next project.

[ghambino]

WOW, I can't believe what some of you guys are saying. I would never buy a car that has had such extensive work done to it and well known all over the nation. Think about it, the person who buys this car will probably never be recognized as the owner of the car. Everywhere he or she goes they will be known as the "the guy that bought Nons car" or the "the guy who drives Nons old 240sx." Unless you are Jay Leno or some other car collector why would you buy someone else's hard work and call it your own, but than again I have never seen an import car collector, guys like Jay Leno collect xxx,xxx thousand dollar worth rare expensive cars. Excuses like its too much work or I am too busy to build my own car makes me sick. I guess its just the typical American way, always wanting everything now and convenient. If you say things like I would rather buy a car that has everything I want in it than rather build my own car from scratch you my friend are a RICER. Michael S. did not start off as an instant pro racer. He started off just like MOST of us, buying cheap inexpensive cars and building them himself and with a little help from tuner shops for parts and services. I don't think he went around buying and racing cars that were built by someone else. Once he was recognized for his talent thats when the race team with team mechanics, pit crew, engineers etc all came to life for him. Shit I could go on forever but whats the point. However if you are the type of person that would buy this car I have nothing against you, just understand that you are not a true import tuner (dame I hate using those two words). Don't take offense to what I said, if you don't agree with me thats fine just explain why.

[HyperTek]

Dont be soo close minded... would you not buy an autographed baseball if you where a fan even tho its not your signature on the baseball?? would you not buy a dvd movie if your not in it??? This car is something to be collected.

[MakotoS13]

WOW, I can't believe what some of you guys are saying. I would never buy a car that has had such extensive work done to it and well known all over the nation. Think about it, the person who buys this car will probably never be recognized as the owner of the car. Everywhere he or she goes they will be known as the "the guy that bought Nons car" or the "the guy who drives Nons old 240sx."

(misc bs)

Don't take offense to what I said, if you don't agree with me thats fine just explain why.

you're completely retarded and deluded. you think a boyd coddington hotrod is any less awesome because the owner doesn't build it? hell no, its still a hot machine and the people that want them can PAY for them.

i think you people that talk all this trash about buying a prebuilt car just don't know how much effort REALLY goes into a machine thats set up right.

do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars, and shut the hell up.

[ghambino]

Dont be soo close minded... would you not buy an autographed baseball if you where a fan even tho its not your signature on the baseball?? would you not buy a dvd movie if your not in it??? This car is something to be collected.


WHAT? Your analogies are a bit hard to follow and don't fit with this situation. An autographed baseball is usually never used for playing baseball again. You will most likely find one on a shelf with something around it so that no one tampers with it. Is that what you think should become of this car?

[HyperTek]

Well then, here you go..
From someones myspace post

"DRIFTCO RACING AND EF MADNESS PRO DRIFTER ERNIE FIXMERS NEW COMPANY ARE GOING TO START BUILDING READY TO GO DRIFT CARS.

THE CARS WILL BE SET UP AND TESTED BY THE TWO COMPANYS SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOUR GETTING A WORKING DRIFT MACHINE.

THE CAR WILL COME IN FOUR DIFFERENT STYLES 180SX, S13 COUPE,ZENKI 14, AND KOUKI 14.

WE WILL BE OFFERING THESE CARS IN THREE DIFFERENT STAGES

STAGE1: AROUND $15,000

STAGE2: AROUND $20,000

STAGE3: AROUND $25,000

PARTS ON ALL THREE STAGES WILL BE BETTER EACH STAGE YOU GO WITH. WE CAN DO CUSTOM ORDER DRIFT CARS WERE YOU PICK THE PARTS BUT IT MAY TAKE MORE TIME FOR SPECIAL ORDER CARS.

YOU MAYBE SAYING WELL WHAT IF I OWN A 240SX ALREADY OR ANY OTHER FR VEHICAL BUT WANT IT BUILT BY PROFESSIALS THEN LET US KNOW WE WILL BUILD YOU A DRIFT CAR WITH YOUR CAR YOU HAVE FOR A AWSOME PRICE.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING A CUSTOM BUILD DRIFT CAR AND EMAIL ME WHAT BODY STYLE AND STAGE YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN. [email protected]"

[ghambino]

you're completely retarded and deluded. you think a boyd coddington hotrod is any less awesome because the owner doesn't build it? hell no, its still a hot machine and the people that want them can PAY for them.

i think you people that talk all this trash about buying a prebuilt car just don't know how much effort REALLY goes into a machine thats set up right.

do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars, and shut the hell up.

A boyd coddington hotrod and this 240sx are not in the same class and are not comparable. I could build a 240sx exactly like Nons, I can't build anything that would come close to a boyd coddington hotrod.

[ghambino]

Well then, here you go..
From someones myspace post

"DRIFTCO RACING AND EF MADNESS PRO DRIFTER ERNIE FIXMERS NEW COMPANY ARE GOING TO START BUILDING READY TO GO DRIFT CARS.

THE CARS WILL BE SET UP AND TESTED BY THE TWO COMPANYS SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOUR GETTING A WORKING DRIFT MACHINE.

THE CAR WILL COME IN FOUR DIFFERENT STYLES 180SX, S13 COUPE,ZENKI 14, AND KOUKI 14.

WE WILL BE OFFERING THESE CARS IN THREE DIFFERENT STAGES

STAGE1: AROUND $15,000

STAGE2: AROUND $20,000

STAGE3: AROUND $25,000

PARTS ON ALL THREE STAGES WILL BE BETTER EACH STAGE YOU GO WITH. WE CAN DO CUSTOM ORDER DRIFT CARS WERE YOU PICK THE PARTS BUT IT MAY TAKE MORE TIME FOR SPECIAL ORDER CARS.

YOU MAYBE SAYING WELL WHAT IF I OWN A 240SX ALREADY OR ANY OTHER FR VEHICAL BUT WANT IT BUILT BY PROFESSIALS THEN LET US KNOW WE WILL BUILD YOU A DRIFT CAR WITH YOUR CAR YOU HAVE FOR A AWSOME PRICE.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN GETTING A CUSTOM BUILD DRIFT CAR AND EMAIL ME WHAT BODY STYLE AND STAGE YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN. [email protected]"

I would read what you just typed but since you wrote it all in ALL CAPS i will not even bother.

[HyperTek]

You can take an old rusted out american car and mod it to something like boyd, maybe your fab skills just suck...

[ghambino]

You can take an old rusted out american car and mod it to something like boyd, maybe your fab skills just suck...

Precisely my point. I can try and do the same thing but will never be as good as a boyd hotrod. Also remember you are comparing a car built by pro to a car built by an enthuiast. If we were comparing a Mines R34 GTR to a Boyd hotrod than you would have a point.

[Flybert]

WOW, I can't believe what some of you guys are saying. I would never buy a car that has had such extensive work done to it and well known all over the nation. Think about it, the person who buys this car will probably never be recognized as the owner of the car. Everywhere he or she goes they will be known as the "the guy that bought Nons car" or the "the guy who drives Nons old 240sx." Unless you are Jay Leno or some other car collector why would you buy someone else's hard work and call it your own, but than again I have never seen an import car collector, guys like Jay Leno collect xxx,xxx thousand dollar worth rare expensive cars. Excuses like its too much work or I am too busy to build my own car makes me sick. I guess its just the typical American way, always wanting everything now and convenient. If you say things like I would rather buy a car that has everything I want in it than rather build my own car from scratch you my friend are a RICER. Michael S. did not start off as an instant pro racer. He started off just like MOST of us, buying cheap inexpensive cars and building them himself and with a little help from tuner shops for parts and services. I don't think he went around buying and racing cars that were built by someone else. Once he was recognized for his talent thats when the race team with team mechanics, pit crew, engineers etc all came to life for him. Shit I could go on forever but whats the point. However if you are the type of person that would buy this car I have nothing against you, just understand that you are not a true import tuner (dame I hate using those two words). Don't take offense to what I said, if you don't agree with me thats fine just explain why.

You clearly don't know anything about Michael Schumacher. Do you really think he built his first vehicle when he started racing karts when he was about 4 or 5 years old? AHAHAHAA. You make it seem like Michael Schumacher owned a civic, fixed it up, took it to "tuner shop" to buy parts and somehow ascended to the status of world's greatest driver. People like Michael Schumacher have had cars built for them since they were little kids, racing and winning kart series. All these famous drivers grew up in racing families having karts and cars built for them by family members and racing teams.

BTW, what the fuck is a "true import tuner?" I'd buy that car, drive the shit out of it. Break it. Fix it. Drive the shit out of it some more and retire that thing after the chassis has gone to shit. I'm glad I'm not a "true import tuner" because "tuners" like yourself wouldn't know a good thing if it hit them in the face. All it would take to personalize Non's car is some paint, body kit, steering wheel, a nice fitting seat, and some badass driving at the track.

[MakotoS13]

A boyd coddington hotrod and this 240sx are not in the same class and are not comparable. I could build a 240sx exactly like Nons, I can't build anything that would come close to a boyd coddington hotrod.

...and that sir is why you will never build anything worthwhile.

YOU set your own personal limitations far before the boundaries are reached. do not be so bold as to push you rinsecurities off on any of us...

if a man can do it so can i.

[Flybert]

For the fun of it, I decided to add up the cost of parts that went into that car. It would cost the average joe schmoe a little over 42k on parts alone to build that car assuming he does all his own labor, owns his own dyno shop and does all his own tuning, as well as owns his own paint booth and paints his own car. So let's just assume you don't do the dyno tuning, you buy a kouki S14 shell, and you get it painted by a reputable shop. You are looking at around 50k that you'd have to spend assuming you installed everything yourself. If it's similar to the last auction he had of his car, I believe he's looking to get around 30k. That doesn't sound so bad to me.

EDIT: And it comes with a one month warranty/service agreement.

[Steeles]

That doesnt look like the tomei crate engine. Last time i checked tomei didnt use hks turbos, And they also use a signature valve cover... So yeah...

Now for what i think... You dont own the car unless you build it.. Anyone an go and buy something and make a car fast, but not anyone can go and build some sick motor.. I personally have never had a car built for me.. But to each his own...

do some research into the car or hell read the add

1997 240SX Show Car ( One Owner, Low Mile ) Spec: Engines: TOMEI Complete Engine SR20DET TOMEI forged piston TOMEI forged rods TOMEI 265 deg camshafts HKS GT2835R

tomei crate motors are just longblocks they don't come with trannies intake manifolds or exhaust manifolds. so yeah. :Owned:

[sportcars14a]

Everybody shut up.

TO THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE: Good For You

TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE THEY DON'T KNOW SELLING A CAR TO SOMEONE THEY DON'T KNOW: Shut Up

TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ARGUING ABOUT THE CARS WORTH AND ITS HISTORY AND BLAH BLAH BLAH: Half the people on this board wouldnt pay the 5 figure asking price for a Shelby GT500 Mustang because they don't care and think mustang's are worth that, then there are the people who will pay it because of what the car represent's, same thing with Non's car.

TO EVERYONE WHO'S HAVING A PISS FIGHT FOR PRIDE: Go somewhere else, don't flood a car forum with your bickering over stupid shit you don't know about.



Me, If I had the cash I would take it to a just drift at irwindale and put it into a wall so I can have a good reason to put the crate motor in a shell we have laying around, why? Because its my money and SHUT UP!

[Steeles]

Everybody shut up.

TO THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE: Good For You

TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOMEONE THEY DON'T KNOW SELLING A CAR TO SOMEONE THEY DON'T KNOW: Shut Up

TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ARGUING ABOUT THE CARS WORTH AND ITS HISTORY AND BLAH BLAH BLAH: Half the people on this board wouldnt pay the 5 figure asking price for a Shelby GT500 Mustang because they don't care and think mustang's are worth that, then there are the people who will pay it because of what the car represent's, same thing with Non's car.

TO EVERYONE WHO'S HAVING A PISS FIGHT FOR PRIDE: Go somewhere else, don't flood a car forum with your bickering over stupid shit you don't know about.



Me, If I had the cash I would take it to a just drift at irwindale and put it into a wall so I can have a good reason to put the crate motor in a shell we have laying around, why? Because its my money and SHUT UP!

wow you just added SO much to this thread.....

[MakotoS13]

Me, If I had the cash I would take it to a just drift at irwindale and put it into a wall so I can have a good reason to put the crate motor in a shell we have laying around, why? Because its my money and SHUT UP!

but then you'd be just another queer bandwagon newbie...

oh wait... looks like you're already there. shouldn't you be whacking off to some dude's SR swap right now?

[ghambino]

You clearly don't know anything about Michael Schumacher. Do you really think he built his first vehicle when he started racing karts when he was about 4 or 5 years old? AHAHAHAA. You make it seem like Michael Schumacher owned a civic, fixed it up, took it to "tuner shop" to buy parts and somehow ascended to the status of world's greatest driver. People like Michael Schumacher have had cars built for them since they were little kids, racing and winning kart series. All these famous drivers grew up in racing families having karts and cars built for them by family members and racing teams.

BTW, what the fuck is a "true import tuner?" I'd buy that car, drive the shit out of it. Break it. Fix it. Drive the shit out of it some more and retire that thing after the chassis has gone to shit. I'm glad I'm not a "true import tuner" because "tuners" like yourself wouldn't know a good thing if it hit them in the face. All it would take to personalize Non's car is some paint, body kit, steering wheel, a nice fitting seat, and some badass driving at the track.

I don't even know where to start with you. An import tuner is someone who buys a vehicle that is not made in the country they live in and modifies it. In the US if you buy a non domestic vehicle and modify it YOURSELF or with little help from friends or shops you are a tuner. If you are in Japan for example and you take an American or European car and modify it you are a tuner, but this is USA and using words like import tuner sets off the ricer alarm, you are a perfect example of this case. Since you want to buy a car that has already been modified you are not a tuner, you're just buying someone elses hardwork that you had nothing to do with. By the way you don't think MS did not have any input into what was being done to his cars. The cars that he races are built according to his feedback he had just as much to do with building of the cars as anyone else that was involved. You want to buy this 240sx which you did not have any say in, how can you be proud of that? However what showed me you really are an idiot is that you would take off whats already on the car and than put what you want on it. How STUPID is that....ooh i want to put a steering wheel, paint, blah blah blah, that shit is already on the car stupid and I'm sure it cost a lot of money too so for you to buy this car and then undue that shows how smart you really are. By the way notice that in my first posts I was not flaming anyone. I think it had something to do with me having only a post count of around 90, so automaticly I guess that means I get no respect right. Asshole!

[Var]

In the US if you buy a non domestic vehicle and modify it YOURSELF or with little help from friends or shops you are a tuner

Tuning your car doesnt mean you have to do the work yourself

The car for sale is dope. If i had the money i would buy it, and drift it into a wall at the racetrack.

Shut up

[ghambino]

...and that sir is why you will never build anything worthwhile.

YOU set your own personal limitations far before the boundaries are reached. do not be so bold as to push you rinsecurities off on any of us...

if a man can do it so can i.


First of all get your head out of your ass, you guys are going gah gah over this car like its the shit. From looking at Nons car, the only part that is a challenge is the engine. Everything else is very easy to do, bodykit, wheels, interior(pretty easy seat, steering wheel blah, blah, blah. I don't admire this car at all, thats right i don't like but if you like it and want to buy it go ahead I have nothing against, but you are the one that came out shoting first, except for the tomei engine work, this thing is nothing special. The thing has Z32 breaks, thats something I would do to my 240, I would of expected something much better than that from this car. THE CAR HAS SUBS IN THE TRUNK, that tells me all this car is a cosmetic show car with a of go for a lack of a better term in the engine department that is not complimented by the suspension. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it have GAB shocks?

If boyd can build nice hotrods anyone(inluding me and you) should be able to do it right. WRONG, you don't have the resources this guy has( and not just money that means shops and specialists that he knows and hires to do only one single task). Boyd is a legend that is well known in his industry and if he is not at the moment he will be very soon. He does not build abundantly available 240s, so finding a project car is not even equally as difficult between the 240 and some X american classsic muscle car that he is going to find in a barnyard rusted to shit that will have to be redone starting with the bare frame of the car. I am not a hotrod fan and I know that bringing Boyds name into this discussion does not fit. If you can't see that than just shut up and stop making a fool out of yourself. Pretty much everything done to a car built by Boyd is a challenge. From interior to wheels to egine, you name it, it is all hardwork. However that does not mean it can't be done by anyone else I'm just saying building a 240sx like Nons is not even close in difficulty.

[ghambino]

[QUOTE=westboroughpimp]Tuning your car doesnt mean you have to do the work yourself

You're right, but when someone else has already done almost everything for you, there is nothing left for you to do, or take to a shop and have them do somework for you without unduing what has already been done to the car. Like putting in a better roll cage if thats possible, you will have to dump the one that is already in the car. Like the famous raper Jay Z said you will be "hussling backwards."


Hey where did your post about the engine being the easiest part because tomei sent it to him in a crate go. It was up for two seconds than it disappeared. AHAHAHAHA aleast you caught your mistake early.

I'm done with this thread, its all point less.

[sportcars14a]

but then you'd be just another queer bandwagon newbie...

oh wait... looks like you're already there. shouldn't you be whacking off to some dude's SR swap right now?

Yep, been a newbie for 4 years now.

[FallbrookS13]

cool. seems like you guys are having a wonderful time arguing about something that is pointless.

[Flybert]

I don't even know where to start with you. An import tuner is someone who buys a vehicle that is not made in the country they live in and modifies it. In the US if you buy a non domestic vehicle and modify it YOURSELF or with little help from friends or shops you are a tuner. If you are in Japan for example and you take an American or European car and modify it you are a tuner, but this is USA and using words like import tuner sets off the ricer alarm, you are a perfect example of this case. Since you want to buy a car that has already been modified you are not a tuner, you're just buying someone elses hardwork that you had nothing to do with. By the way you don't think MS did not have any input into what was being done to his cars. The cars that he races are built according to his feedback he had just as much to do with building of the cars as anyone else that was involved. You want to buy this 240sx which you did not have any say in, how can you be proud of that? However what showed me you really are an idiot is that you would take off whats already on the car and than put what you want on it. How STUPID is that....ooh i want to put a steering wheel, paint, blah blah blah, that shit is already on the car stupid and I'm sure it cost a lot of money too so for you to buy this car and then undue that shows how smart you really are. By the way notice that in my first posts I was not flaming anyone. I think it had something to do with me having only a post count of around 90, so automaticly I guess that means I get no respect right. Asshole!

I don't care how many posts a person has. I give respect where respect is due. You said this,

"but this is USA and using words like import tuner sets off the ricer alarm"

Do you know why it sets off the ricer alarm? Because people like you loosely throw around the word "tuner" saying that it is a person who modifies their vehicle.

Why don't you go to a race alignment shop and tell them you are a suspension tuner because you threw some lowering springs or even coilovers on your car? You probably won't because you'll get laughed at. How about going to a dyno tuning shop and telling them that you are an engine tuner because you put an intake on your car or some aftermarket cams in your engine? You probably won't because again you'll get laughed.

I know you see where I'm going with this. To me, a tuner is a person who fine tunes a component of a vehicle to go that extra 2 mph down a straight, get that extra 5hp out of an engine, and make the adjustments necessary to drop lap times by tenths of a second. Tuners are professionals, not just some joe shmoe who throws some aftermarket product on his car.

Since you want to buy a car that has already been modified you are not a tuner, you're just buying someone elses hardwork that you had nothing to do with.

Never claimed to be a tuner. Don't even know why you would say this.

By the way you don't think MS did not have any input into what was being done to his cars. The cars that he races are built according to his feedback he had just as much to do with building of the cars as anyone else that was involved.

I can see your point here. Tuning a car is a big part of the buildup process of a vehicle.

You want to buy this 240sx which you did not have any say in, how can you be proud of that?

Where did I say I would be proud of it. It is not about pride. It's about having a car suited to do what you want to do with it. The point of buying the car for me is not to show it off, it's to drive the shit out of it. Pride in building the car is not a concern of mine. If you've built a car from scratch like I have, building another car in a similar fashion isn't so much of a concern. I already have a pride and joy that's sitting out front right now. I seriously don't know of one component or bolt on my car that I haven't touched with the exception of the block internals. Everything including bumpers, fenders, dashboard, interior, ECU, motor, tranny, clutch, flywheel, differential, drum ebrake, brakes, axles, trunk, hood, head, cams, suspension, subframe, steering column, steering rack.

It has been an invaluable experience working on it but if I was looking to get another S-chassis, I'd prefer to buy the car with a lot of shit done to it to save my time and money. As you get older, your time is worth money and you can appreciate buying something that is already made to your liking.

However what showed me you really are an idiot is that you would take off whats already on the car and than put what you want on it. How STUPID is that....ooh i want to put a steering wheel, paint, blah blah blah, that shit is already on the car stupid and I'm sure it cost a lot of money too so for you to buy this car and then undue that shows how smart you really are.

Why would I be an idiot for modifying the car? If I had that car, it would be at the tracks. And guess what happens at the track? Cars get driven hard. And if you've ever driven a car hard at the track, you recognize the importance of having a seat and steering wheel that adapts to your body and driving style. In addition, at the track, fiberglass bumpers fall off, quarter panels get dinged, etc. The body of the car would get trashed within a few months guaranteed. And of course I'd change the look of the car to be how I like it.

BTW, how would I be wasting money if I put my own steering wheel, seats, and bumpers on the car? I could sell the ones on there and make all the money back. I guess that's all I have to say. I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with you about this.




TO ALL MEMBERS READING THIS THREAD

I spent a lot of time writing this shit because I just wanted to help point out to the members here of some of the stupid crap I see developing in this community. With the increase of members on zilvia, the ratio of quality contributing members to "import tuners" is decreasing. Zilvia used to intimidate new members with all the asshole comments and it helped filter out all the newbs. I think people need to keep up that attitude. Sometimes it may be unwarranted but I feel it really helps out the forum in the long run. FILTER OUT THE NEWBS

[Var]

I just wanted to super-agree with your point here.



"Where did I say I would be proud of it. It is not about pride. It's about having a car suited to do what you want to do with it. The point of buying the car for me is not to show it off, it's to drive the shit out of it. Pride in building the car is not a concern of mine"

[TheTicTac]

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.... bottom line... it's always going to be a 240sx no matter what you do to it and the only people its going to attract are guys no matter what kind of exposure it gets or has already.

[MakotoS13]

From interior to wheels to egine, you name it, it is all hardwork. However that does not mean it can't be done by anyone else I'm just saying building a 240sx like Nons is not even close in difficulty.

oh, so you built nons car? in any case it doesn't matter. the concept is still the same. you're saying that it isn't possible to do anything as cool as boyd's because i dont have the resources? same EXACT principle. its a modded car that is being sold to a person that did not mod it.

people like you never do anything great because you dont have the balls to go for it.

THAT's my point.

[s14shrkeye]

Bottom line the car is sweet. If you don't like it, don't bid on it. If you want to drive someone elses "creation" go ahead, just don't take credit for it.

[samms95s14se]

It's almost as simple as this....when your rich you can buy out the box ready to go stuff like Evo, Sti, M3 or already fixed up 240's and so on when your broke you fix up the slow way like buying 10 to 15 year old cars and doing it yourself. I'm broke so the slow way with pride is my route. But if I was rich it might be a different story it would depend on how much time I had to spare to build it myself.

[raen419]

with all the useless bickering going on, i have one thing to say (that most of you will overlook).

who ever buys that car, needs to rag the hell out of it.

[ghambino]

I know I said I was done with this thread but I feel that I should clear a few things up. I've been a member of zilvia for a long time, I just never really posted on here. I decided to respond to this thread just to put my take on it. Everyone has an opinion and all I was trying to do was give mine. Most of you guys that responded to this thread have seniorioty over me. I don't want to be seen as a non contributing problem starter. I just wanted to contribute like you all. In the beginning I said I don't care if anyone would buy this car, thats their own choice, but I should not call them ricers, and I did not mean it that way its just a bad choice of words. And I now see why anyone would not take that too well.

Someone on here said that it all depends on how much money you have. Someone with the money would buy it and someone that does not would go the other route with a cheaper car and work up. I agree with that its fine with me, but if I had to do it my way, it does not matter to me if I had all the money in the world I would rather build my own car, or maybe, a far maybe pay someone to do what I would do since I would be so filthy rich. I would have most of the creative control over the project and be involved. My point is that each person will do something there way and another there way, but it does not make one or the other better, its just preference. Thats how I really feel, but I agree thats not what came out of my previous postings.

Flybert you are not stupid or retarded or an idiot, you just have a different view point than I do, and I will respect that. Since you have already built a car from scratch which is something I would like to do someday, you have gone through it all. You have gone through the work part and the reward part of knowing you challenged yourself to do something and you accomplised that goal. We are at different levels here, I still have the mindset that I want to do it myself and be proud of it, but you on the other hand have already done that and would rather prefer to have something thats done already and fullfills your ambitions. I did not know that until now, but please don't be so quick to label someone a newb with worthless contribution just because they have different views, but than again I did not go about it the right way.

To all members I just wanted to clear things up. I may have used the wrong words to describe things but some of them were valid. Being an import tuner as gay as that sounds does not mean you have to fix everything on the car to the dime. You can be an amatuer tuner and get things like suspension components, turbos, fuel, cages, intercoolers, aero, engine management, power delivery, tires, wheels, race buckets, dyno, etc to work for a specific form of motorsports whether its drifting, rally, or drag racing. You don't have to do it at pro level to be a tuner. I don't mind becoming a amatuer tuner and would take pride in doing so. If you don't thats fine, but don't try to belittle it. So i hope you guys understand me now. In my first post I did not call anyone retarded or deluded. I respected their view and gave mine as an addition. So lets give up this nonsenes and go back to coming together for the love of 240s, silvias, 300zxs, drifting, drag racing, autocross, rally, or whatever made you become a member of zilvia. Cheers huh!

[Flybert]

So lets give up this nonsenes and go back to coming together for the love of 240s, silvias, 300zxs, drifting, drag racing, autocross, rally, or whatever made you become a member of zilvia. Cheers huh!

WORD!!! No hard feelings here either. Now, somebody put the lockdown on this thread.

[raen419]

no one had seniority over anyone in any forums, unless you're a mod.
this is the internet for christ's sake!!!