Drag S13

[riot]

Before everyone starts popping off questions, this is a TRACK ONLY vehicle. This will not be driven on the street. A friend and I have been building this for the past 2 months now. The powerplant has not been revealed yet (we're just trying to keep people on their toes), but I assure you, it's not going to be your first guess.

The owner of the car wants to reveal as little as possible so here's all you get:
http://www.riotdesigns.com/240_rear.jpg

http://www.riotdesigns.com/5lug.jpg

Yes, that's a Ford 9" with ladder bars and drag coilovers. The wheels are 15x10 with 4.5" backspacing. The tires are 28x11.5x15.

Here is the motor starting:
http://www.riotdesigns.com/videos/DragCar_FirstStart.wmv

[mr_240sx]

what is the owners goal for 1/4 mile times?

[95zilvia]

damn, those mags are hot

[riot]

If this thing doesn't run 10s we'll be upset...and then make it run 10s or better.

As it stands right now, 9s are somewhat out of the question until a better cage is built.

-ryan

[Yoshi]

can't wait to see more completed pix, looks amazing so far!

[riot]

Here is a quick teaser video he put together about a month ago:
http://www.riotdesigns.com/videos/progress_video.wmv

Right click, save-as!

[wootwoot]

You dick, thats not fair I want information =(
I dont like being teased!

[riot]

More information will be available when we make more progress. SO MANY projects out there get all "hyped up" and everyone has these high expectations, and then 80% of the time the project never gets finished. What we are doing is ALL custom. Countless hours of cutting/grinding/welding has already been invested, but we still have A LONG WAY TO GO. I don't even want to give an estimated completion date, JUST because there's so much to still do.

I will say that when this car is ready, it'll be like nothing you've seen before, and we're hoping to get some good sponsorship to help us get there, but being that we're a two man team...we've got a long way to go.

[riot]

Here's the car last fall. It WAS a fully race prepped road race car.

http://www.scrapinsi.com/photos/robert/robert2/robertrollin3.jpg

http://www.scrapinsi.com/photos/robert/robert2/robertrollin9.jpg

[m0rex]

Its going to be a ka-t right?

[Yoshi]

Its going to be a ka-t right?

hA! drag KA-T for 9's? that'd be REALLY REALLY hard.

I'm voting the easier route, custom mounts an a small blck 8?
or a LS1 maybe? ...it has a Ford rear... but that means nothing... hmm...

[mixedwell]

wait... youre drifting this thing right?
im joking... im joking

ford nine incher.... travel springs.... and i saw the video.... im guessing LS/VTEC... turbo!
they're from texas. big things happen in texas. i really want to be surprised.
-;)

[riot]

Oh, I assure you a KA-T will go 9s. It's been done I believe!

http://www.project240sx.com/TX2K5/images/TX2K5%20062.jpg

Don't remember what he was running, but it's Duey's next KA-T project. I want to say he's in the low 10s. I could be completely wrong of course.

At any rate, yall should find out soon. :bite:

[JDMs13]

haha....that video is excellent. Put a big 'ol smile on my face. Keep it up!

[crioten]

id like more info on the rear end...

was it completely made by you guys or did you get it made by some company like currie?

im thinking about starting a project like this as well very soon w/ either a 302 or a 350 mated to a tremec 5spd tranny...

[riot]

We did all the fabrication. We had the 3rd member set up by another shop.

[Yoshi]

Oh, I assure you a KA-T will go 9s. It's been done I believe!

http://www.project240sx.com/TX2K5/images/TX2K5%20062.jpg

Don't remember what he was running, but it's Duey's next KA-T project. I want to say he's in the low 10s. I could be completely wrong of course.

At any rate, yall should find out soon. :bite:

oh yah, I forgot about Duey, his cars are always sick.
you have to admit tho, he's sort of an exception to the rule.

[orion::S14]

hA! drag KA-T for 9's? that'd be REALLY REALLY hard.


How about forged pistons, rods, and some cams...then about 30psi. Easy.

SP / PhatKA-T just did 638rwhp KA-T setup...that should get a ~2700lb car EASILY in the 9s (with traction, of course).

...

As for the car pictured here...nice work. Come back with more pics and SPECS...and maybe some numbers, too.

- Brian

[riot]

Oh but I assure you this vehicle is going to weigh much less than ~2700lbs! :hs: We weighed it in at 2499lbs with driver in road race form. Since then, we've done A LOT of weight reduction.

[Yoshi]

How about forged pistons, rods, and some cams...then about 30psi. Easy.

SP / PhatKA-T just did 638rwhp KA-T setup...that should get a ~2700lb car EASILY in the 9s (with traction, of course).
- Brian

Clearly our definitions of "easy" differ.
pulling the engine to do internal work definitely does NOT count as easy in my book, if you're a good engine mechanic, more power to ya, but imho, easy things are stuff like bolt-ons, changing your rims, basic little mods... stuff that can be done in a couple hours. "then about 30psi", ya... not easy either, I have KA-T friends that are having probs getting above the teens for boost pressure before having problems. Can it be done? sure, it already has been, but I stand by the fact that it's not EASY. If it were, there would be no market for SRs.

Sheesh, why are KA-T people always ready to argue about the potential?
My point was that it'd be "easier" to throw in a custom 8, or some other idea, than figure out everything necessary to KA-T'it there, I never said it wasn't possible, in fact I was careful NOT to say that. Maybe it IS "easy" for you, since you clearly have experience in turboing the KA, but you're in specialized area with few experienced people doing that sort of modding, even in a forum as specific as this... unless you've already done it, I don't see how making a fully built KA-T that will run 9's is in ANY sense of the word, Easy.

I'll just agree to disagree :)

[orion::S14]

Yeah...I'm not wanting to argue potential, just saying that it would be as easy to get ~638rwhp out of a KA as it would to get ~638 out of an LS1...either way you're opening a motor, probably going with forced induction, etc...

I just took exception to the "REALLY REALLY hard" part...as it's difficult, but no more difficult than fitting an LS1 ito an S-chassis, or tube-framing the rear half!!!

(...and for the record...I'm probably the KA-T guy who's the LEAST apt to argue potential...I have NO disillusions about what my motor can/cant do (versus the SR, a V8, whatever)...and when I get bored of it, I'll stuff and LS1 in my engine bay...I can promise you that! Part of the reason I have a Chevy truck with an iron-block LS1 already in it [6-liter LQ9 motor])

- Brian

[nissan_driver24]

that rear end looks freaking sweet... can't wait to see how the car is gonna perform after it's done....

[DMC]

Im going to guess a stroked 302 or a HEMI!

[riot]

Im going to guess a stroked 302 or a HEMI!
lol...nope.

[crioten]

give us a hint?

im guessing a 351 windsor or cleveland... theres somehting i love about those...

i doubt it something like a 427 or a 496 just b/c that would be nuts, and i doubt you guys could slap it in there

[SR240DET]

give us a hint..... does the engine come from a japanese... american.. european car..... or...................................... korean... :keke: :keke:

[mr_240sx]

give us a hint..... does the engine come from a japanese... american.. european car..... or...................................... korean... :keke: :keke:
atleast tell us where its from...... i dont like being teased like this

[wootwoot]

f20c turbo. If I'm right, someone has to s my d.

p.s......
WEllllll since it is a drag car now, you dont really need those wheels from when it was in road race form right? If they arent sold or employed on another car allready, I wouldnt mind in helping you out make some space in the shop. I'm sure your wallet always needs more stuff so maybe we can make a deal?
=)

[crioten]

someone has to s my d.

haha, omfg.... thats funny...

but yeah, it could be soooooooo many things...

[SR240DET]

haha, omfg.... thats funny...

but yeah, it could be soooooooo many things...

whoa... what does that even mean? PM me..

[altralosix]

DEVLSH ran 8.766 @ 154 on an SR20, didn't it?

As for the car in this thread, I bet it has some RB power!

[riot]

As for the car in this thread, I bet it has some RB power!
I bet not! :keke:

...as for the road race wheels, they were sold about a month ago. I believe we've sold off most/all of the stock parts.

-ryan

[mr_240sx]

I bet it has some RB power!
read towards the start of the thread..... he said he had a powerplant that no one would think of. my guess is its not a nissan motor!

[wootwoot]

I bet not! :keke:

...as for the road race wheels, they were sold about a month ago. I believe we've sold off most/all of the stock parts.

-ryan


How about a hint in displacement and country of origin? Maybe a range of displacement?....
reguarding the wheels, Drat!

[crioten]

we need updates....

oh god, we need updates

[Nameless RB26]

I want to guess that it's some domestic engine.

[Kouks]

Not something someone would guess on thier first try.
My guess is a 2jigga.

[morpheus8486]

What about a rotary? I know nothing about the potential of them but it would definately be one of the last things expected.

[Maeda]

Sheesh, why are KA-T people always ready to argue about the potential?


There's a lot of haters. =)

[riot]

my guess is its not a nissan motor!
You're right. :x:

[wootwoot]

You're a jerk!!! Cut it out! Is this going to be in any class or is this just a shits and giggles car?

[240KAT]

turbo 3 rotor?

[240KAT]

nevermind, the music on the video was ac/dc..my vote goes to a ford motor

[riot]

..my vote goes to a ford motor
:cj:

Patience. The motor/trans has been mounted so after a few quick details we'll begin building up the motor...

-ryan

[sepulchral]

im sorry that video sucks but the car is looking good u gunna run a 4cyl?

[SHIFTrl240]

cummins turbo diesel

[JDMs13]

Streebike motor?

[metalsiren]

judging the way this is going its going to be some american motor that had a carb but has now been converted to EFI like a vette motor or something

[Phlip]

ITB'd Viper V10?

[Var]

mopar 502 with a 14-71 blower running 30psi on methanol. Hold on you said 9's, not .9's

[JtWo]

Porsche Motor? Hayabusa? 1JZ?

[trsilvias13]

i say put a twin turbo/supercharged titan motor

those guy from street glowed did it and called it celica.. it aint anything close to a celica

[Phlip]

turbocharged Chevy Trailblazer inline 6?

[Pank]

mopar 502 with a 14-71 blower running 30psi on methanol. Hold on you said 9's, not .9's

oh christ that would be the coolest thing ever.

My vote goes for unimog drivetrain

[riot]

A few quick updates:

We removed the rear end for painting and prep work...so last night we put it all back together and bolted everything back up:
http://www.riotdesigns.com/final_rear.jpg

We rolled the car out of the shop for the first time on all 4 weld wheels:
http://www.riotdesigns.com/rolling_chasis.jpg

Motor should be back to us in abotu 2 weeks...we're looking to fire this thing off before the end of the month and make our first pass in July. It's really getting down to the nitty gritty. Just hold your horses...it'll be done very soon and lots of details will be shared.

-ryan

[vinhisbored]

plan to take it to any competitions anytime soon?

[JDMs13]

Thats funny, I was just thinking about this car last night.

[riot]

To be honest, we'd love to take it to some competitions, but first we need to get it running straight. Once we get this thing to go straight down the track, it's on!

*edit...we gotta get the motor in first. Hold that thought for about a month!
-ryan

[www.ka-t.org]

3SGTE?


Rick

[crioten]

id say stop guessing at what it is... its not like hes going to tell you lol

plus once you hear what it is, you'll probably be like "oh, i thought it would be different" blah blah blah

cant wait for those ensuing posts

[Phlip]

Stop guessing? What would that do for our post count? I say we keep guessing until he tells us about the T66 turbo'd Chevy inline 5 from the colorado he's gonna use.

[SirWarrior]

KA24DE????
Muahahahaha

[stillmatic]

B16A with VTEC!

[sLip techniques]

what is that?

[ri0tvenom]

B16A with VTEC!

no no, the displacement wont be right for the the wheels, B20 to be correct

[riot]

Finally, it's time to reveal...

Here's a VERY raw video of the FIRST START.

http://www.riotdesigns.com/videos/DragCar_FirstStart.wmv

Cliff Notes of the motor: 406ci Chevrolet Small Block fully built (i.e. port/polished heads, forged bottom end, big cam, etc, etc, etc.)

-ryan

[aznxplayer]

very nice. looks good and any chevy small block is sick. props. always wanted to put a v8 in a 240z even though many have done it and actually as i was reading through this post i kept thinkin small block v8. shrug.

[upSLIDEdown]

Looks good! My dad will shit over it, he's been trying to get me to put a SBC in my car for the past 3 years now. He has an 86 S10 Blazer thats backhalfed/tubbed/narrowed with a 6" rod 355 in it...painted Prowler Yellow. Anyway, the car looks great! Can't wait to see it all put together.

Bryan

[MakotoS13]

HELL YES. i predict a LOT more V8 + S13 swaps in the not so distant future.

[luisgonz]

WoW its more power then what i thought.Hahahahahaha good luck on the first pass's.Sweet :kiss:

[niceassfd]

nice looks like everything is going as planned. good luck dude!

[riot]

HELL YES. i predict a LOT more V8 + S13 swaps in the not so distant future.
Oh, there are already a few around. I've seen an LT1, LS1, 302, among others. By no means is this a 100% "one-of-a-kind", but I'm pretty sure with the ford 9", we're one of VERY FEW.

[riot]

It's a 10 second car now...

http://www.riotdesigns.com/videos/[email protected]_raw.wmv

Enjoy fellas. Now it's time to get it ready for the 9s...

[TheSnail]

Jesus.

Powerglide?

[crioten]

what were your build goals? hp numbers/ timeslips... that sorta thing...

what were some of the headaches that you guys faced?

[riot]

Yes, powerglide.

Well, one of only goals was to make it run 10s. We weren't too concerned with hp numbers since we knew it would have plenty of that.

What kind of headaches? Jesus man...EVERYTHING was a headache. Chevrolet motor, ford rear axle....EVERYTHING was a pain in the ass...nothing went smooth.

Thanks for the good words! :)

-ryan

[crioten]

haha, i figured there were going to be numerous hangups and snags...

just generaly speaking though, what were some of the things you would/wouldnt do again?

[riot]

I wouldn't put another V8 in a 240sx ;) A lot of work...doing it once was enough.

[vinhisbored]

Any progress on this project so far? Sorry if thread's all old, I thought about what happened to this, so I searched. If there is anything new, like you hit into the 9's, let us know! A video of the dyno would be awesome too :).

[someguy_240]

updates?

[OJmobileII]

I was going to say a Grandnational 6 but im wrong lol

[holaback]

I assure you, it's not going to be your first guess.]

Lots of people think dif so it very would could be someones first gues.

The wheels are 15x10 with 4.5" backspacing. The tires are 28x11.5x15.
]

It's called offset not back spacing. Thats a weird way to read tire size. it should be width in mm/profile size in mm/rim size in inchs

It's a 10 second car now...

http://www.riotdesigns.com/videos/[email protected]_raw.wmv

Enjoy fellas. Now it's time to get it ready for the 9s...

Good jon on running 10's. So how's it feel to totally reinvent the wheel when a big turbo, built head Sr20 w/ cams and stock 240 rear end w/ LSD and slicks could run bou the same :hsdance:

[ThatGuy]

No need to double post holaback, and for someone who's already PINKED, most of your posts are you shit talking. I'd suggest you stop if you ever hope to be un-pinked.

[krustindumm]

It's called offset not back spacing. Thats a weird way to read tire size. it should be width in mm/profile size in mm/rim size in inchs



Good jon on running 10's. So how's it feel to totally reinvent the wheel when a big turbo, built head Sr20 w/ cams and stock 240 rear end w/ LSD and slicks could run bou the same :hsdance:

1) Domestically produced wheels have always been measured in backspacing (and it was probably the standard worldwide until *recently*). Race tires and truck tires have always been measured in inches, not section width and profile.

2) the small block chevy was around well before the SR20, so technically it was Nissan doing the reinventing

3) why am I bothering with someone who is already pinked?

[typeXsil80]

i stumbled upon this "start-up" video on limewire videos my 1st month living in JAPAN away from the love of my life (1999 LS1 Trans AM "Nelly"). Oh how i missed my mustang killer. Now that i've heard stories about mild s-13 pounding on my buddies LT1 "Z-28" The future shows hope for my lil
4-banger rice burning sr-20. Yall better believe theres a lucky 240 somewhere in the US that WILL be chosen to get my own personal sr20 treatment to even make Nelly blush, BUT.......I've got to hand it to MR. RIOT and co. on a job well done! Commming from a former "swapper" myself, S-10s like the small block treatment as well. i understand the hardship that goes into a complicated swap like that!

-Adam-

Riot,.....that s-10 i built so happens to be in San Antonio these days.....maybe one day you might see her around. look for her!
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c194/srasmetak/100_0597.jpg