drifting

[shady]

can fwd cars drift ? if they can how and if they cant why not ?

[S13Grl]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Weight ratios play a major role in drifting. How do you think FF cars do there?

Do some research on drifting and performance driving in general. <a href="www.turnfast.com" target='_blank'>www.turnfast.com</a> is a good start.

[sil80]

Some say yes and some say no. People that say no are people that have never tired it in a FF or have tried it once our twice and couldnt figure it out. I used to own a 91 civic hb and after a bit of time practicing I had it down pretty well. A lot of people that like to drift and have FF will normally run a little wider tire up front. Like 205 up front and 195s in the rear. I tried this one and really didnt notice to much. Now FF are hard to hold long drifts that is the only bad part. I ripped every think possible out of my hatchback from passanger seats back(made it a 2 seater hehe). I thought the lighter the car, the easier to drift. Well it was easy to drift just hard to hold it. So i put my spare tire back where it was suppose to be and a little jack with some tools in a little back. That add a bit of weight and it actually helped my drifting. So mainly yes you can drift a FF but just need to find what works best on your car for it. Also I start to tape the button in on my e-brake cause I keep missing when I tried to push it down... when your drifting you dont have much time to think or look around.

Well hope this helps...

[S13Grl]

That's not drifting. There's a technical term for it, but I can't think of it right now. You can't properly drift a FF. Bottom line. You can slide it around, but it's not the same. Come on, you guys should know this stuff.

[Bbandit]

yes.. ff can drift... i drift my integra all the time at autox
but the fun in drifting comes in rwd...

[sil80]

S13grl - Give me a break

Im so tired about people saying its not drifting cause it is. People alway yap how using your e-brake is not drifting but if you stop and watch any decent drift video you will see that FR also rely a lot on the e-brake. Either if its to initiate the drift or correct it half way through. The fact is that FF have to use the E-brake to start the drift. Shady get a couple option videos which most will be FR drifting but there are always a couple FF in there pulling it off. They will also have cockpit views and you will see that not only do FR use there ebrake a lot but so do the FFs.

What S13 is talking about is initiating the drift buy either pure force by just using the standard brakes(front). &nbsp;This guys still use there Ebrakes a lot.

[DrDubbleB]

Sil-80, no, pulling the e-brake and powersliding is not drifting. &nbsp; The reason why they would still be in performance vidz (Option) is because powersliding still looks cool, it's just technically not drifting.

[Fresh 240SX]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13Grl @ Mar. 26 2002,8:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's not drifting. There's a technical term for it, but I can't think of it right now. You can't properly drift a FF. Bottom line. You can slide it around, but it's not the same. Come on, you guys should know this stuff.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I believe its called half assed e-brake slide &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[S13Grl]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DrDubbleB @ Mar. 27 2002,6:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sil-80, no, pulling the e-brake and powersliding is not drifting. The reason why they would still be in performance vidz (Option) is because powersliding still looks cool, it's just technically not drifting.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
YES! That's the term! Powersliding!!!

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Sil-80 boy, don't smartass me.

[DuffMan]

FF cars can drift, but only when driving in reverse. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[Arcane]

what is drifting??? i thought our cars were just supposed to look cool...*recovers from the beating s13grl, tofu, dsc, transient, (insert your name here) gave him*
...errr...ummm drifting:
Basically, drifting is getting your car sideways down a road. It doesn't sound very hard does it? Sounds a lot like power sliding huh? Well it isn't. It's much more complex. Instead of a drifter causing a drift and then countering to straighten out, he will instead over-counter so his car goes into another drift. That is the reason many drifters do it in the mountains, because there are many sharp turns strung together. So in essence a good drifter has the ability to take five or six opposing turns without having traction at any point in time. quoted by Ryan Stevens, Velocity Team Racing Japan

why ff can't drift:
Basically the laws of physics won't allow it. See with a rear wheel drive car power is coming from the back so that basically means that you can slide the tail out and control the movement by countering with the front wheels. With a front wheel drive both the power and countering wheels are up front so it eliminates the possibilty of drifting grouped turns. A demonstration would be taking a rwd car and finding an open parking lot. Get up to a good speed and then just yank the steering wheel back and forth and you will start fishtailing. This can not be done with a ff and and drifitng is almost like fishtailing around turns. Of course this doesn't mean that you can't take your ff and throw it around turns because you can. Dave of Slide Squad does it pretty successfully with his Civic but the fact of the matter is that it's not drifting. A term that has become pretty popularized from the Velocity BBS is ass dragging. from velocity.isfaster.com

[whateverjames]

i thought front wheel drive cars do what's called "scrubbing".

[junia]

Here we go again, &nbsp;this is where this post just blows up and people start arguing about what drifting and what isn't. &nbsp;I think they called it f-dori back home but I don't think the tech term is powersliding because the rear wheels aren't being powered. &nbsp;I think its more like when a dog drags its ass around after it takes a dump

[transient]

Actually, i think Arcane has pretty much settled the debate... That's probably the best explaination i've ever seen on the topic. Hey WeST, let's FAQ that shit.

[Arcane]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (transient @ Mar. 26 2002,9:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually, i think Arcane has pretty much settled the debate... That's probably the best explaination i've ever seen on the topic. Hey WeST, let's FAQ that shit. &nbsp;in fact, Arcane is the coolest guy in the whole world. &nbsp;Everyone should bow down to his greatness. &nbsp;Not only that, he's dead sexay!!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hehe....

[S13Grl]

Drifting (http://velocity.isfaster.com/new/drifting/main.htm)

[KiDyNomiTe]

Ya I guess arcan summed it up but I still wanted to say sumin anyways. FFs can make the illusion of drifting and look liek an FR &nbsp;or 4wd does but when you look at it in a scientific way they aren't really drifting. So I say to all you with civic tryign to drift get a hatch roku (don't mess up our 240s) and have fun, but don't kill yoursleves drifting on mountains.

[KiDyNomiTe]

Side Note: I keep seeing the word "dori" or "dori-dori" what exactly does that mean?

[Arcane]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiDyNomiTe @ Mar. 26 2002,10:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Side Note: I keep seeing the word "dori" or "dori-dori" what exactly does that mean?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
it's called an edit function...you should've know better...anyways, i too would like to know what dori-dori means...and if someone could tell me what "iirc" means too...i guess i'm not hip to all your fancy on-line talk <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

edit: &nbsp;see it works!!! &nbsp;and if you are going to post whore...at least try to make it funny....just kidding...

[Gismo R]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S13Grl @ Mar. 26 2002,11:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Drifting (http://velocity.isfaster.com/new/drifting/main.htm)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
WTF is that music? Anyways, you gotta love that s15 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

Drifting is basically being able to control, and assist, your turning ablility with the accelerator. Now, you can effect the ability of steering with a FF accelerator, but with the front wheels turned and spinning at the same time, you're going to go a relatively straight line until you gain traction, and that doesn't help your cornering, it only makes you have to get tires sooner. I wouldn't call that drifting, nor would I call pulling the e-brake drifting either. I call pulling the e-brake kickin' it stupid.

[AceInHole]

In racing terms, yes you can drift a FF car. &nbsp;by stupid JDM terms, no, you can't drift an FF car. &nbsp;Then again, drifting was born in the US, and is way more popular in the US (recognized through various forms of oval track racing for the most part. &nbsp;Outlaw Sprinters come to mind) so I don't see why it's so cool.

Most noticeably in SCCA rally... using left foot braking and e-braking doesn't necessarily mean you're powersliding. &nbsp;Where the rear wheels push towards the center of the turn as possible in a RWD drift, who's to say the angle of attack of the front wheels can't be changed to do so while balancing traction loss from the rear wheels braking.

In conclusion: when talking about "drifting"... no, you can't "drift" a FF car. &nbsp;when talking about drifting, yes, you can drift a FF car.

[Yoshi]

ace, I think this is the first instance when I have to disagree with you...
Drifting, as well as "Drifting" has been around in japan for years and years and years.... and years <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

FF cars can A$$drag and powerslide (kinda) or drift in reverse... e-brake drifts are for the inexperienced or less powerful cars to initiate drift when instances of using feint, powerover, clutchkick etc are not options... mostly ebrake drifting is for beginners... and I should know, we can smell our own <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

True drifting is linking turns, and initiating traction loss before entering the turn, not durring. &nbsp;I can a$$drag my minivan, but I wouldn't call it drifting <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ Mar. 26 2002,01:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ace, I think this is the first instance when I have to disagree with you...
Drifting, as well as "Drifting" has been around in japan for years and years and years.... and years <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

FF cars can A$$drag and powerslide (kinda) or drift in reverse... e-brake drifts are for the inexperienced or less powerful cars to initiate drift when instances of using feint, powerover, clutchkick etc are not options... mostly ebrake drifting is for beginners... and I should know, we can smell our own <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

True drifting is linking turns, and initiating traction loss before entering the turn, not durring. I can a$$drag my minivan, but I wouldn't call it drifting <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Drifting has been around in the US... for even longer than those years... and years and years and years. What about it??

So.... when Keiichi Tsuchiya (i probably spelled that wrong) uses his e-brake... he's just a beginner "Drift King" then....

FF drift as a tried and true racing method is drifting. The wheels providing power are turned towards the center of the turn as possible. If you really want to get technical, an FF car or AWD car in a drift is drifting "more" than a RWD car, as all 4 wheels are sliding... or drifting.

As for "Drifting"... used to describe the Japanese subculture of the import crowd... well, basically no, FF cars can't "drift". Maybe it's because FF cars have been rice victimized enough already, so they're not allowed to "drift".

True "drifting" is the linking turns crap they've brainwashed everyone to beleive.

True drifting is aiming the drive wheels towards the center of the turn as the car follows the arch of the turn, while using throttle movements to control that power which accelerates the car towards the center of the turn to adjust the line taken by the car.
Edited in here: Note that in physics, a particle in constant velocity traveling in a perfect circle has constant accleration that is always aimed towards the center of the circle. &nbsp;The reason why drifting is theoretically faster despite the kintetic frictional coefficient being less than the static frictional coefficient, is because power provided to the wheels is accelerating the car in some direction near the center of the turn. &nbsp;To actually drift an FF car, the front wheels are not only guiding the car as in an FR car, but they're angled slightly into the turn (towards the center of the turn) even while the car might be pointing into the turn itself (balancing the rear wheels with left foot braking or e-braking). &nbsp;The fact that the front wheels provide an accelerating force towards the center of the turn, not only in the direction of the car's actual movement, makes it drifting. &nbsp;(end of edit)

The best drifters are probably Outlaw Sprinters. They carry drifts around turns at speeds you might not drive at in a straight line.
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[Takumi]

The e-brake is just a basic technique, it's not neccessarily a beginner's technique. However, it's a good technique to start with. &nbsp;I mean, a lot of experienced guys use it from time to time. &nbsp;I guess it depends on the situation, track, road condition, degree of the curve, brakes, tires, etc, etc. It's just another technique for a drifter to use along with their many other more advanced techniques. Versatility is the key to being a good drifter I guess.

I'm just speaking out of what "I" think. &nbsp;Not experience, so just take my words as a grain of salt. Man, if only someone would teach me how to drift. @[email protected]

(Yes, I DO see the irony with what I just said and the fact that my handle is "Takumi")

[AceInHole]

e-braking at a higher level of drifting would be more about engine response. &nbsp;in a drift, you can change the attitude and line of the car using the throttle, but to go from full on power to engine braking wouldn't be the fastest way to do it, then go back onto the throttle, when you can just use the e-brake quickly.

[thich]

when they pull the Keiichi Tsuchiya pulls his e-brake during a drift, it isn't to initiate the stupid thing.. it's to help stabilize and/or correct the drift.... I read this somewhere... hmm. forgot where.
There's a video of the Koguchi 180SX (I think that's the name of the beast) and the dude is ripping around the track drifting and you see him pull the ebrake repetitively to correct his drift during the corner.

I like to agree with S13grl on what drifting is... I haven't seen a race where a FWD car has drifted... powerslid maybe... but far from drifting. less control, too much stress on front tires... not suitable for application.
my $0.02

[Yoshi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 26 2002,01:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Yoshi @ Mar. 26 2002,01:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ace, I think this is the first instance when I have to disagree with you...
Drifting, as well as "Drifting" has been around in japan for years and years and years.... and years <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

FF cars can A$$drag and powerslide (kinda) or drift in reverse... e-brake drifts are for the inexperienced or less powerful cars to initiate drift when instances of using feint, powerover, clutchkick etc are not options... mostly ebrake drifting is for beginners... and I should know, we can smell our own <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

True drifting is linking turns, and initiating traction loss before entering the turn, not durring. I can a$$drag my minivan, but I wouldn't call it drifting <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Drifting has been around in the US... for even longer than those years... and years and years and years. What about it??

So.... when Keiichi Tsuchiya (i probably spelled that wrong) uses his e-brake... he's just a beginner "Drift King" then....

FF drift as a tried and true racing method is drifting. The wheels providing power are turned towards the center of the turn as possible. If you really want to get technical, an FF car or AWD car in a drift is drifting "more" than a RWD car, as all 4 wheels are sliding... or drifting.

As for "Drifting"... used to describe the Japanese subculture of the import crowd... well, basically no, FF cars can't "drift". Maybe it's because FF cars have been rice victimized enough already, so they're not allowed to "drift".

True "drifting" is the linking turns crap they've brainwashed everyone to beleive.

True drifting is aiming the drive wheels towards the center of the turn as the car follows the arch of the turn, while using throttle movements to control that power which accelerates the car towards the center of the turn to adjust the line taken by the car.
Edited in here: Note that in physics, a particle in constant velocity traveling in a perfect circle has constant accleration that is always aimed towards the center of the circle. The reason why drifting is theoretically faster despite the kintetic frictional coefficient being less than the static frictional coefficient, is because power provided to the wheels is accelerating the car in some direction near the center of the turn. To actually drift an FF car, the front wheels are not only guiding the car as in an FR car, but they're angled slightly into the turn (towards the center of the turn) even while the car might be pointing into the turn itself (balancing the rear wheels with left foot braking or e-braking). The fact that the front wheels provide an accelerating force towards the center of the turn, not only in the direction of the car's actual movement, makes it drifting. (end of edit)

The best drifters are probably Outlaw Sprinters. They carry drifts around turns at speeds you might not drive at in a straight line.
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Dude chill.
Notice all those smilies? I wasn't criticizing you, like I said in the first sentence. &nbsp;I've agreed with every post I've read of yours, I just have an oposing opinion in this instance.

Drifting has become cultural, like everything else.. look at friggin chinese food <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;I had a group of friends in college that came to the US from china, we went to a chinese restaurant and they were like, "wtf is this? this isn't chinese food! who the hell is Kung Pow? and what does he have to do with chicken?" &nbsp;I learned the drift lore I know from people in japan, so there ya go...

Again just a differing opinion, take a pill man, it was meant to be a lighthearted post, sheesh <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

oh, and keiichi ebrakes for a different reason, the guy is a show off <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;he does it to prove he's mastered every technique, he's a badass, but he pisses me off... kinda like Sir Charles Barkley &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[AceInHole]

LoL.. it's aiight. &nbsp;I just don't want even more people going around thinking they know what "drifting" is, and relating that in any way to actual drifting.

I know it's a culture.... but someone has to step in and explain that it, as a culture, is NOT the definition. &nbsp;It'd also be nice if people were more open minded to all forms of racing, so that maybe I wouldn't have to get cranky like I do. Oh well... more post whoring for me. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[solure]

FWD cars cannot drift effectively. One of the main reasons to drift is keeping speed up or accelerating through a turn, not to simply side the backend out to look like drifting.

I owned an Altima before I got my 240 about 3 weeks ago. I did the same things with the e-brake (going slow), and just with accelerating into a turn (but have to stop to let back slide a little).

Anyways my point is drifting is more than just getting the backend to slide out (especially if you are slowing down).

[coolerow]

Wow!..it's the survival of the smartest.

You guys have "powersliding" all wrong <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> . It's actually a fitness method where you wear special slippery shoes and slide from side to side on a rubber mat, thus making you loose pounds and getting fit! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[junia]

When they first came out with the ikaten I think in the early nineties they had some guys f-dori in the tournament. &nbsp;They made it look like they were drifting just like there FR counterparts &nbsp;but through the years when the tournament got alot harder you stop seeing FF cars on there because they weren't able to take multiple turns without lost traction to the rear wheels. &nbsp;Anyway, &nbsp;whats up with all this hype about drifting? &nbsp;Everytime I see the word drifting mentioned on any forum it blows up and people are like "thats not drifting and this is drifting," &nbsp;but I don't see anybody drifting out here. &nbsp;I see some of the cool vids floatin around in some of the forums but all in all there aren't alot of drifing going on so I don't see why everybody gets so argumentative(is that even a word). &nbsp;To me drifting is starting to get a little overrated here and Japan. &nbsp;This whole drifting thing blew up after initial D came (in the states and in japan) &nbsp;and over there everybody had to have a panda trueno just like the one in the tv show. &nbsp;Its been there before the show because the comic was based on real stuff that was going on, but before it came out in the comic books everybody was actually into cars and they knew something about cars but know its just the thing to do you got little kids just thinking that they're the drift king crashing cars left and right, &nbsp;I've seen kids with no license going out drifting and they have no license or any basic concept of a car. &nbsp;Thats just my opinion on drifting &nbsp;from what I've seen back when I was in Japan, &nbsp;I used to drift but I'm more into the track racing thing now.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (solure @ Mar. 26 2002,03:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">FWD cars cannot drift effectively. One of the main reasons to drift is keeping speed up or accelerating through a turn, not to simply side the backend out to look like drifting.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
another one who doesn't read the posts.

I'll say it again... yes, you can drift a FF car, but you can't "drift" an FF car.

For clarification: "drift" is not drift. &nbsp;
Drift in my terminology is drifting based on racing (and simple physics). &nbsp;
"Drift" is used to describe either the subculture or the so-called "non-racing/ it's dori-dori and cool because it's JDM but really US born/ i have more pointless stickers and cheap mods than you/ watch me slide into a curb" crap.

[w0o0rd]

i personally dont think its drifting. if u have a FF car stick with the autoX <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[coolerow]

FF cars don't drift...they slide.

FF cars can't powerslide either cause there's no power being distributed to the wheels doing the sliding.

just my "dos centavos" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[DrDubbleB]

Powersliding doesn't mean that power has to be giving to the rear wheels. &nbsp;Basically what people mean when they are referring to powersliding is that you are forcing the car to break the rear end loose, hence the term powersliding (making the car, slide).

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (coolerow @ Mar. 26 2002,3:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">FF cars don't drift...they slide.

FF cars can't powerslide either cause there's no power being distributed to the wheels doing the sliding.

just my "dos centavos" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
so... please explain how an FF car sliding is different from a RWD car sliding.

In an FF drift, the front wheels are indeed sliding, which completely tosses your second statement.

[coolerow]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>
i have to go and cry now....
people like me screw everything up <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
damn me!

Dr.? Ace? will you ever forgive me?

[DrDubbleB]

I don't know, it'll be pretty hard to forgive such a major major screw up! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[coolerow]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DrDubbleB @ Mar. 27 2002,3:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know, it'll be pretty hard to forgive such a major major screw up! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hehehe

dang blang it all to heck!
I'll go now and "TRY" to drift, powerslide or just slide off a cliff.
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

[AceInHole]

lol... i used to end up in ditches all the time... &nbsp;there was some sort of magnetic attraction to them in my S13.

[DrDubbleB]

Hahaha, this is why I practice the drifting in mall parking lots! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;Security doesn't like it, but hey, it's either that, or be wreckless on public streets. &nbsp;I haven't gotten to go more than once though...hopefully I can get some sort of schedule down, but I'm not too worried until I do suspension mods (soon...very soon).

[AceInHole]

lol.... wreckless indeed. &nbsp;although, even in a parking lot you can get a wreckless driving ticket (happened to a friend of mine).

[DrDubbleB]

Yeah, that's why I have to do this very carefully. &nbsp;But if I ever did get caught, I wouldn't BS the cop. &nbsp;I would explain to him that this is the safest place that I can find to do it since America has no good driving schools (especially here in Northern VA). &nbsp;If you are straight up honest to cops, I have found out that they tend to be much more lenient. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

[KiDyNomiTe]

OK i got to lazy to read some of the stuff you guys wrote, and as I was skimming through it didn't look like anyone answered my question on what "dori" means, and I think someone also wanted to knoe what iirc meant?

EDIT: Spelling (Me fail englsih, thats umpossible.)

[transient]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 27 2002,8:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">lol.... wreckless indeed. although, even in a parking lot you can get a wreckless driving ticket (happened to a friend of mine).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
All depends on the lot, some are totally private and traffic cops have no jurisdiction. Others they can bust your ass in for whatever they feel like <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (transient @ Mar. 26 2002,9:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ Mar. 27 2002,8:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">lol.... wreckless indeed. although, even in a parking lot you can get a wreckless driving ticket (happened to a friend of mine).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
All depends on the lot, some are totally private and traffic cops have no jurisdiction. Others they can bust your ass in for whatever they feel like <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yeah, i'd think if you stuck to industrial zones you'd be fine.... &nbsp;2am in a commercial lot near a bunch of houses wasn't the brightest idea in the world. lol

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiDyNomiTe @ Mar. 26 2002,9:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OK i got to lazy to read some of the stuff you guys wrote, and as I was skimming through it didn't look like anyone answered my question on what "dori" means, and I think someone also wanted to knoe what iirc meant?

EDIT: Spelling (Me fail englsih, thats umpossible.)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
dori-dori &nbsp;n. (doh-ree doh-ree) - 1. dorifto &nbsp;2. "drift"

iirc = If I Recall Correctly

roflolmh = rolling on floor laughing out loud mad hard.

class dismissed.

[coolerow]

AceInHole!!!!! You're my hero!
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[boywonder]

Well i don't know what drifitng is technically but i know it's fun to go sideways in any car. I do it all the time in my moms 2001 Accord V6 (don't tell her). That's power sliding though. The coolest drift i've ever seen was from a 600+ hp decked out yellow supra. He prolly never slowed down below 60 around the whole turn. When he did this though, he floored it. Doing so pushes the car. When you do this, the car doesn't automatically straighten out like a FF car does. In a FF car, when you apply the gas, the back follows the front. This is different from drifting because, when you drift, your whole car tends to go the direction the rear wheels are going, making your front wheels less effective, and creating more slide (the good stuff). So that's my two sense, I don't know much though since i'm only 17 and have no car of my own <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('> I'm lookin though (240sx of course).

[DrDubbleB]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (boywonder @ Mar. 31 2002,6:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">when you drift, your whole car tends to go the direction the rear wheels are going, making your front wheels less effective</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I wouldn't exactly say that. &nbsp;Since you are a n00b, I and others have to teach you the right things. &nbsp;The front wheels are more important than ever in a drift, without them doing exactly the right things, it's no longer a drift, it's a 360 into a guardrail. &nbsp;You have to understand that drifting isn't just getting the ass to swing out on a car, there are many factors that play into it. &nbsp;Read this entire post and go to www.turnfast.com and you will learn many things about what drifting really is. &nbsp;Front wheels are very very important, not less important.

[junia]

I swear, this happens everytime somone mentions the word "drift" on any forum. &nbsp;why can't people just leave it alone?? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (junia @ Mar. 31 2002,10:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I swear, this happens everytime somone mentions the word "drift" on any forum. why can't people just leave it alone?? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
because there's too many misconceptions. &nbsp;If people actually knew what drifting was, I wouldn't have to say anything. &nbsp;Obviously, people don't know what drifting is, and therefore I have a few posts in here.

To leave it alone would be to turn by back on the zilvia community and let ignorance spread withing it.

[junia]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 01 2002,12:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (junia @ Mar. 31 2002,10:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I swear, this happens everytime somone mentions the word "drift" on any forum. why can't people just leave it alone?? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
because there's too many misconceptions. If people actually knew what drifting was, I wouldn't have to say anything. Obviously, people don't know what drifting is, and therefore I have a few posts in here.

To leave it alone would be to turn by back on the zilvia community and let ignorance spread withing it.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah but doesn't it get old after a while?

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (junia @ April 01 2002,12:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteBegin--AceInHole+April 01 2002,12<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ April 01 2002,12<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (junia @ Mar. 31 2002,10:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I swear, this happens everytime somone mentions the word "drift" on any forum. why can't people just leave it alone?? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
because there's too many misconceptions. If people actually knew what drifting was, I wouldn't have to say anything. Obviously, people don't know what drifting is, and therefore I have a few posts in here.

To leave it alone would be to turn by back on the zilvia community and let ignorance spread withing it.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah but doesn't it get old after a while?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hence the bitter sarcasm often associated with my posts regarding this topic.

[Tuck&Poke]

wait...now i havent read all 50 friggin post (or however many there are) but someone said that drifting is not drifting if you use the e-brake....if youve ever seen rally racing youll notice that the ebrake is widely used (which is why its so large and close to the steering wheel) to slide the car through a turn...and rally racing initiated drifting right? drifting is basically keeping the car in a controlled slide...nothing more nothing less. powersliding is using the accelerator to spin the wheels at the exit of a turn and make a lot of tire smoke... so you cant really confuse drifting and power sliding. ill think of something to add later but im tired and i prob. wont think of anything else to say
ok i figured out what to add. &nbsp;people said that you cant drift a ff car well you can since drifting is essentially sliding but instead of controlling the slide with throttle you control it with the brake (more brakin the more teh tail wants to become the front) no you cant power slide a ff car...at all. and drifting did not initiate in the us...are you kidding were the str8 line country..we made drag racing. &nbsp;it was more of a european thing...again rally racing

[silviasichigo]

I would like to say just a thing or two. Get a japanese to english dictionary and look up the word dori. You will See it says something gay like avenue;just as(according with) or reason (what is sensible) Look at the Kanji it all you wiil get is street.

[Tuck&Poke]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (silviasichigo @ April 01 2002,01:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would like to say just a thing or two. Get a japanese to english dictionary and look up the word dori. You will See it says something gay like avenue;just as(according with) or reason (what is sensible) Look at the Kanji it all you wiil get is street.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
so what i bet you could say it in russian too
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sorry misread that i thought you were tryin to say that it originated in japan.... ma bad

[junia]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (silviasichigo @ April 01 2002,01:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would like to say just a thing or two. Get a japanese to english dictionary and look up the word dori. You will See it says something gay like avenue;just as(according with) or reason (what is sensible) Look at the Kanji it all you wiil get is street.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You got that translation all wrong. &nbsp;douri is japanese for "way" or "road". dori is just a shortened version of the word dorifuto which is drift. &nbsp;Thats why they call Tsuchiya Keiichi "dorikin" which is short for dorifuto kingu or drift king.

[Tuck&Poke]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (junia @ April 01 2002,01:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (silviasichigo @ April 01 2002,01:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I would like to say just a thing or two. Get a japanese to english dictionary and look up the word dori. You will See it says something gay like avenue;just as(according with) or reason (what is sensible) Look at the Kanji it all you wiil get is street.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You got that translation all wrong. douri is japanese for "way" or "road". dori is just a shortened version of the word dorifuto which is drift. Thats why they call Tsuchiya Keiichi "dorikin" which is short for dorifuto kingu or drift king.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
head....hurts....ow <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[silviasichigo]

I have been reading writing and speaking Japanese for 13 years.My wife is japanese. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;The Japanese have three different writing forms Katakana, hirigana, and Kanji. Katakana is strickly used to pronounce gaijin terms. You can speak and read the whole japanese language in hirigana but you would look like a dumb a$$. I was merely stating that dori is street. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>