Stretched tires and drifting

[hotrodv]

I have a technical question.
On the back of my 14 I've 9" with 225/40/18, yesterday in the drift show in a "pendulum" (don't know if you call it the same..feint??), my sx rear tire goes inside on the wheel!!! damn!! :eek: fortunately no damage for the wheel, only a little scratch on the back of the sskirt..
So is my rear wheels/tires combo wrong for drifting??here I see lot of people run stretched tire..any suggestion?

[Ian]

i dont what you're trying to say

[pruto]

mmm, stretching tires usually depends on how good the tire is. if you stretch a shitty tire and try drifting with it that probably will happen. or have it mounted wrong, or have something freakish happen, like pebbles getting into the tire.

but no, 225/40 isn't that stretched, i've seen worse. like on a 10 or 11.

[ucfz31s13]

I imagine air pressure would play a major role.

Was it low on air?

[hotrodv]

I've seen one time in an option video,the tires goes inside in the wheel and the air goes out..a inch of wheel remain out of the tire..damn in italian is easy! "stallonare"
I have think about pressure, but they would be at 2.5/2.7 bar (38/40psi)
the tires is a new set of toyo T1rs, tire is ok, no bubbles or damage..

[citizen]

hes saying the bead is breaking away from the lip of the wheel and blowing the seal. incase anyone else was confused lol ^^

[Brian]

i use a 225 45 17 on my 9 inch wheel.
havent had a problem.

does both rear tires leak? or only 1?
maybe tire mounter messed up the tire bead. :(
225 40 18 on a 9 inch should be fine. no problems.

[Buffalo Daughter]

what kinda of murble gurlbe was that? You should search first i think they made multiple threads about this. I didnt understand a word you said.

[Brian]

he is from Italy.
Not everybody in the world speaks perfect English, or any English at all for that matter.
Why don't you go post a response in Italian and see how perefect it is?

[sykikchimp]

I'm running 215's on a 9" wheel and have had no problems. was it 38-40 psi cold or hot? It's possible that if they were 40 psi hot, and you were drifting, they could get to 48-50 psi which could very well have gone beyond the maximum psi for the tire.

[pruto]

i currently run a 215 on a 9 (17 inch)

stretched tires is fine, just gotta be careful, and make sure who ever is mounting it knows what the hell he is doing

[mr_240sx]

so if he uses 225 on a 9 inch rim would 235 on 9.5 be stretched?

[ucfz31s13]

so if he uses 225 on a 9 inch rim would 235 on 9.5 be stretched?

Sure it would.

But I'd stick w/ a 225 on a 9.5"

[Buffalo Daughter]

X - QUEEZE ME ,
I didnt see that. Shame on me, apologies.
he is from Italy.
Not everybody in the world speaks perfect English, or any English at all for that matter.
Why don't you go post a response in Italian and see how perefect it is?

[hotrodv]

Sorry for the english, I've search but is almost impossible translate some words..
when the shit was happen I'm on the track,so very high grip, but first run so not too hot..first thing I've think is low pressure..this week I'll go to the tire shop for hear what they think..Now i'm sick,damn..

[Ian]

they might have just messed up the bead of the tire when they installed the tire onto the wheel. I dont know if you have ever installed tires before, but it is hard to put short sidewall tires on, and sometimes you might rip the bead when putting it on. That might be what they did.


(I tried to type as clearly as possible)

[justinhustle]

its gotta be with the seal/air pressure

i have that problem on one of my 245/40 on occasion

need to make sure when they mount the tire they use a cheater(high pressure air nozzle)

[Ian]

isnt that what everyone uses to pop it onto the rim properly?


where you put it thru the valve stem w/ no core and then just...pop it...that's how i've always mounted them anyhow

[drift into a curb]

No a cheater is a tank and it blows XXX amount of PSI into the edge of the rim to set the bead. Sounds like you're just filling it thru the valve stem without the needle (core?)?

[MakotoS13]

why don't you just run really hard tires that actually fit the rim properly?

[drift into a curb]

Because it's not about running really hard tires. Go start another thread.

[MakotoS13]

well hard tires would givbe the sucky traction that stretched tires give, would be stiff, would look wider, and would still be cheap cause they'd be sucky tires. i asked a question and your answered with a metaphorical "piss off".

now how's about we have a nice and rational discussion here?

[Brian]

shitty tires and drifting result in destroying your car because of hitting a wall, curb, mountain, other car, etc.

If you have no idea about drifting, dont fucking post anything.

[MakotoS13]

so if a stiff sidewall and ability to break free easily aren't the intended benefits of stretching tires (outside of clearance reasons) what are the actual intended outcome of such a ridiculous look?

[S13 Charlie]

I think in this case, our Italian friend is running into a maximum tire width law in Italy. (I remember him posting that before..) However, he has some nice wide wheels that he wants to sport, so he has to stretch 225's on them since that's the max the law will let him use on an S14.

Thus his need to stretch tires. I'm sure many others do it for mostly aesthetic reasons - the "jdm tyte" look, or something like that. To each his own, I suppose.

[Dousan_PG]

so if a stiff sidewall and ability to break free easily aren't the intended benefits of stretching tires (outside of clearance reasons) what are the actual intended outcome of such a ridiculous look?


name me a wide tire that has a stiff sidewall and not ridiculous sticky please.

when you really drive you find tires are mostly: sticky with stiff sidewall, shitty w/ soft sidewall, something in between isnt too common at all. there are ways to make it work, with various types of stretching (crazy or simple) a 235/40 on a 17x9 isnt much of astretch at all
a 235/40 on a 17x10 is

you use what tires you have
but you would know, just hard parking.

you have no first hand expirience.

stfu.

[drift into a curb]

i asked a question and your answered with a metaphorical "piss off".



Yeah so. You asked a question to answer the original poster's question which doesn't help him. Now most people are dicks about this subject cuz they don't have any experience, so I didn't expect your attitude to be any different. My interpretation on drifting is to exceed the point of your grip angles (exceeding traction, but being able to maintain it) and having decent grip tires to do it is right. Meanwhile if you use low traction tires, you can't go as fast because the traction isn't there and controlling the slide can be funky. There's a misconception of drifting without traction, when actually it's quite the opposite. So soft tires = good traction, stretched = good break away.

By the way, hard tires do not equal stiff sidewall.

[ThatGuy]

Excellent info here guys, keep it up. This is starting to smell like a FAQ. :D

[jspecusa]

I have a technical question.
On the back of my 14 I've 9" with 225/40/18, yesterday in the drift show in a "pendulum" (don't know if you call it the same..feint??), my sx rear tire goes inside on the wheel!!! damn!! :eek: fortunately no damage for the wheel, only a little scratch on the back of the sskirt..
So is my rear wheels/tires combo wrong for drifting??here I see lot of people run stretched tire..any suggestion?

From our experience(we owned and run by a tire shop), some brand of tires are not made to be streteched.
Toyo is one of them, some model Falken have problems as well.
So far Yokohama has been the best tire we use that had no problem.
You might want to try different brand of tires until you find the model/brand that will work best for you.
Good luck,

Sam

[hotrodv]

Thanx all guys!! very kind reply, unusual on zilvia :D
Is right that, I have to use 225/40/18 'cause is the maximum we can put on a s14! and I've toyo 'cause they give me it gratis, for have my car on their stand.. In my little experience I've understand the difference in drifting with bad tires or with good one! Toyo T1R had maybe too much grip, it for track not for drifting, but is also true that you have a total control in sideway!! and this is awesome! with the old tire the car loose control easily..
Friday I'll go to the tire shop for control the tires.. :w00t:

[mr_240sx]

From our experience(we owned and run by a tire shop), some brand of tires are not made to be streteched.
Toyo is one of them, some model Falken have problems as well.
So far Yokohama has been the best tire we use that had no problem.
You might want to try different brand of tires until you find the model/brand that will work best for you.
Good luck,

Sam
what type of yokohama??? or are they all as good?

[hotrodv]

I'm very curious too, what type of tires do you suggest for drifting for your experience??

[justinhustle]

good tires

yoko avs300

toyo t1 - sometimes...

Fusion ZRi is good too, if available

falken st115

[420sx]

Fuzion Zr1 is xcellent for stretching, nice stiff sidewall. and it grips good too, comparable to Es100's. as a matter of fact u should sretch it even more to 215 on the 9 inch

[justinhustle]

i love, LOVE my fuzion

and for those of you that dont know, its made by firestone and its an almost copy of the yoko es but less loot :)

[420sx]

made by bridgestone dude.

[justinhustle]

http://www.bridgestone-firestone.com/

im from ohio, where firestone is founded, everyone refers to it still like that :)

[jspecusa]

what type of yokohama??? or are they all as good?

everyone has different preference when it comes to tires.
your friends might like this model/brand of tires for drifting while you might like something else.
also skill/car level effect tire selection process as well.
we can't say anything about other tires or recommend any other tires beside yokohama because we are sponsored by them.
by far the best tire we have use is Advan Neova AD07(cheater drift tires), and yes we didn't get them free we had to pay for it.
cheers,

sam

[mr_240sx]

why are the advan tires considered cheating tires?

[EH9]

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[hotrodv]

Here is hard find lot of those wheels..damn spaghetti!! I'll try to find some in germany..I'll try to found that fuzion, what yoko is good for stretch and drift??

[meatish]

So far Yokohama has been the best tire we use that had no problem.
I second that. ES100's take stretching very well.

[infinitexsound]

yeah my aunt works for them too.... good thread i was lookin for info about the fuzions because im buying a set of wheels, and they looked like a great cheap buy for tires....

[hotrodv]

I need to buy 2 new wheels for my car, what I've found here is these 2 model, what's your suggestion about? They need to be stretched on a 9"
Falken FK-451 225/40 ZR18 88Y 170USD each
http://www.tyre-pictures.com/Falken/FK_451.jpg
Yokohama AVS SPORT 225/40 ZR18 92Y RF RPB 220USD each
http://www.tyre-pictures.com/Yokohama/AVSSPORT.jpg

[WongFeiHung]

My impression from reading Tirerack's test...

Fuzion ZRi grips slightly better than the ES100, however, its not as responsive (probably softer sidewall)...the ES100 outperforms the ZRi in the wet.

[kuruptR]

bringing back an old thread.

T1R's dont stretch, i learned that the hard way...too bad i read this thread late.

I got sponsored by Toyo they gave me a set of 245/35/18 for my 18x10.5s the bead won't seal.

Some of the best drifting tires iv tried were BFgoodrich KDW-2

Comment to poster above, Falken FK451 is junk it falls apart to quick very cheap junk.

[Irukandji]

bringing back an old thread.
T1R's dont stretch, i learned that the hard way...too bad i read this thread late.

I got sponsored by Toyo they gave me a set of 245/35/18 for my 18x10.5s the bead won't seal.
.

I actually had the exact same problem. I tried mounting the T1R's (225 on a 17x9). First tire shop couldn't seat the beads, so I took it to another shop. Second shop tied a rope around the outside of the tire, and put a prybar between the tire and rope, and twisted it until the rope was pretty much crushing the tire. While doing that, they had to go to about 50psi until the beads actually seated.

Just gotta keep goin at it.

[mr_240sx]

well im running 451's right now and dont have any complaints... they seam to be holding really good... but mind you i havent tried any other tires on my works yet....

[DJPimpFlex]

or the hair spray trick......

[gotta240]

so can anyone explain why the other tire is a

"CHEATER drift tire"????

[Dousan_PG]

ad07 is a mega grip tire
so consistent
so balanced
awesome tire
AWESOME tire
that and RE01s are probably some of the bset tires u can buy, too bad i cant afford them on all 4

:(