best camber correction strategy?

[nacstate]

Say I get some sportlines and kyb agx shocks. From what i've found there's going to be a need for camber correction in the rear, and possibly the front. What would be the best thing to get to correct that? I've heard everything from a reallignment will be fine, to some adjustment bolts, to camber plates. What would really be the best way to go?

[Replicant_S14]

What will it be in the rear if you do nothing?

[nacstate]

I don't know, thats what i'm trying to find out. From searching I havent really found anything conclusive as to how bad the camber would be.

[Replicant_S14]

I don't know, thats what i'm trying to find out.

Got it. I'm just asking because if it ends up being 2-ish degrees or less, I'd just put camber plates on the front, dial in a little more front camber than rear and call it a day. You can get eccentric bushings for the rear (I have them) but it's a real pain in the ass to deal with.

[Ritz S14]

I have a similar setup. It's pretty pointless to do an alignment at this point since all they can adjust is toe. I got mine done yesterday..and I felt zero improvements.

[nacstate]

^^ so the rear camber wasn't effected tat much??

[Ritz S14]

2degrees. Pretty much untouched.. Since I got a scanner now.. I'lls can it

[nightwalker]

best way to go? buy some camber arms for the rear and camber plates for the front.

[Ritz S14]

Money NOT well spent. =/
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/smogtec/img001.jpg

[nacstate]

something like these? (scroll down about halfway)

cusco stuff (http://www.cusco.co.jp/english/e_cont.html)

[biggie]

best way to go? buy some camber arms for the rear and camber plates for the front.

For just springs you don't need RUCAs and Camber plates. If you plan on doing coilovers later, then yeah they'll be of some use. For Sportlines the rear stock adjust can get you close to -1 degree. For the front buy the eibach camber bolts (think they are like $15-$20), they will give you enough adjustment in the front.

And if you are truely looking for a driving car I wouldn't recommend the Sportlines. They are too soft for how low they drop the car. I'd go with Pro-kits or S-Techs. I've had all 3 springs before.

[nacstate]

It would be for my daily driver. I wouldn't do much more performance driving than fun on back roads. I've heard how the pro-kit is a little better performance wise, but I really wanted to get rid of that wheel gap. Its a trade off I know.

[biggie]

It would be for my daily driver. I wouldn't do much more performance driving than fun on back roads. I've heard how the pro-kit is a little better performance wise, but I really wanted to get rid of that wheel gap. Its a trade off I know.

On the sportlines I had a problem with rubbing with a 17x7 wheel and 215/45 tire. So that was my main problem with them.

[nacstate]

in the front or rear?

[biggie]

in the front or rear?

Front. The rear was no problem.

[meatish]

Well if youre going to be gay about it, just go to alignment shop and say, drill the fuck out of my new struts please! And you can have all the camber you want without getting plates/RUCAS/crash bolts/whatever. Sinse, you dont really care about 'performance driving' except going fast up onramps.

[nacstate]

when I say I don't do a lot of performance driving I mean I'm not going autocrossing every weekend. Who cares anyway how much performance driving i'm doing, WHATEVER kind of driving I do I don't want to fuck up my car by doing some half ass shit like drilling random holes where they don't need to be. WHY I want a mod isn't the point, the point is whether it gets done right.

thanks for your faggotry though.

[RBS14]

hahaha I'm with you nacstate.

the thing to be noted about camber bolts for the front is that they can pop and change during spirited driving. But if you aren't gonna be thrashing your car too much, you shouldn't have to worry about it too much.

[NismoRacer1]

i have the sportlines with pretty much stock, or at least OEM equivalent struts. When i had my car alligned after putting the springs in they did install the camber kit (bolts whatever you wanna call them) and the front is fine. The rear has had a slight problem, good if i wanna drift but bad for traction and tire wear. I havnt done anything about it because Im cheap but it becomes a problem when you have a decent amount of power. Open diff doesnt help either. But you should be fine and enjoy the sportlines for occasional twisties and daily driving.

[Whiplash Willy]

You may blow your AGX's easily with the sportline drop. It is too low for the AGX. Anything blow a 1.5 drop is pushing it on AGX.

check out the 9th post
here (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=61012&highlight=sportlines+AGX)

[nacstate]

I'll keep that stuff in mind, thanks guys. The more I look at it, the more I think about sticking with the pro-kit. Despite the lack of drop it looks like those will give me less problems in the long run. I guess we'll see.

[Whiplash Willy]

I have heard nothing but bad things about the sportlines. I would do a little more research on them before making a decision. I have the Prokit/AGX setup on my s13 hatch, and I love them. There is about a 4-finger gap in the front...it could be lower, but looks good. Plus if it was much lower I would have to worry about scraping. I think the prokit is the best compliment to the AGX's.

[papershot]

Ive got sportlines on my S14 and i'm getting maybe -1.5 degrees of camber. thats not bad at all, and I don't have any ruca's or camber plates/bolts. using tokico struts too, none have blown and they've been on the car for quite a while (I also use 17x8 +30 wheels with 225/45 tires and they aren't close to rubbing, I don't see how you can rub 17x7 wheels on strut setups unless you have like +100 offset). i suppose it varries person to person, but sportlines aren't as bad as most people say.

[meatish]

thanks for your faggotry though.

Shut up bitch your mom is fat.

By the way, I was serious about drilling your struts. This is something a lot of alignment shops do. Of course, if you have the tools to do otherwise (adj. upper mounts, etc) then its not very practical. However, since you do not do a lot of hard driving, as you said, then you dont have much to worry about. Dont get crash bolts, because I have used them in the past, and they find ways to back themselves out, turn around and give you + camber, and they just suck for getting big camber changes. Just tell a shop you want neg. camber and they will probably take a dremel and drill out your struts anyways,(probably a guy name jorge) without asking if you have any adj. pieces first. It is perfectly legitimate. Try telling Jorge he is half-assing shit and drilling random holes and he will go loco on you. Camber plates, of course, are the best way to go but the most expensive. However, asking what is the 'best' is stupid because we are not going to come over and hold your hand and and count your money and point at the boxes for you. I hope this helped.

[Whiplash Willy]

The S14 Sportline drop is much less then the S13 Sportline drop.

S14
F 1.7" R 1.4"

S13
F 2.2" R 2.1"

[nacstate]

Shut up bitch your mom is fat.

thanks, I bet you thought real hard about that one too

anyway thanks for the actual positive input. When I do ask what is the best strategy I mean the best for my car. Not best for my wallet, or best for easy install, best as in I don't want my fucking wheel to fall off my car while I'm taking a corner.


I did forget to mention but just to make sure I drive an s13.

[s15driftdreamer]

alright first off, just because shops drill holes in your struts doesn't make it legit. they did this to me and i am still pissed off. that is in no way an option in my opinion. for the front the only real option you have is to buy cusco camber plates and put them on the AGX's. camber bolts are just too sketchy. for the rear however, all stock 240's have camber adjusment. the bolt that bolts your upper control arm to the subframe is eliptical. just because the allignment shop doesn't use it doesn't mean its not there. you have to show them it and stand beside them while they are adjusting it to make sure its done right but it will work. just adjust the back to like -1.5 or less if you'd like and your golden. trust me. that bolt can do it. you don't need to buy anything for the back.

and just ignore meatish. thats what we all do. :D

[meatish]

Duhh iam stoopid.

I believe my solution fits all 3 of your requirements. This guy ^^ got his s13 aligned after getting brand new HE's, they drilled out his coilovers without asking, and here a year later + several drift days, no problem to my knowledge. I cant say anymore than i already have, so that is all good luck!

oh yea bite my weiner jason.