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mkddoc
03-20-2002, 05:48 PM
I am 16 years old.
I own a 92 twin turbo z with 133k on it and stock turbos.
I am having trouble deciding what to do, i love my car, but after about stage 3 i won't be able to go very much further on mods, and i will have to replace turbos soon (which will be an absolute bitch).
I want to mod my car, whatever it is, and I think I could have a really awesome 240. If I sell the z i'm thinking i'll get an s13 with a good body and interior, and then drop in the sr20.
Questions are-
do you think it's worth it to buy the cheaper car, and use my money to make it fit my needs? ( i really like 240's)
or should i keep my car and deal with not being able to mod too much? the thing is, the z and the 240 are not drag cars, but the 240 handles better and is cheaper and lighter, so i am kind of leaning towards that.
KiDyNomiTe
03-20-2002, 06:04 PM
I think that would be a good choice. the best part of 240s are that they are cheap and with less than $10K you can get a 205HP 2.0L turbo car (with the SR). I plan on getting an S13 and an SR swap soon (when I get some money), but before you decide you really should do a lot of researching on the SR, and the 240 in general. So just keep on asking questions and I am sure there will be plenty of people with an answer.
mkddoc
03-20-2002, 06:14 PM
couple more questions then <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
how much does everything cost (engine plus everything needed) pretend i had already bought the car and i did everything myself.
what would a 240 run (1/4 wise) with the swap?
craigs13
03-20-2002, 07:05 PM
ill trade ya my s13 for you TTz.... stright up
a 92tt, hell i'd almost trade ya my s14 straight up...almost <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
If you haven't driven a 240 then thats the first thing you have to do, although it sounds like you've driven one before.
Here's some links that might help you on the motor part.
http://www.srswap.com (http://www.srswap.com/)
http://www.unstable-hybrids.com (http://www.unstable-hybrids.com/)
Maybe ask this same question to the guys over at twinturbo.net (http://www.twinturbo.net/) see what they have to say.
300's are damn fine cars <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> that would be a really hard decision to make. IMHO they don't make great daily drivers but then again no modified car would...
PSI240SX
03-20-2002, 07:32 PM
Sell the TT and buy my 350hp 240sx <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
http://www.zilvia.net/f....;t=6972 (http://www.zilvia.net/f/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=4;t=6972)
[email protected] for price and info.
DragonReborn214
03-20-2002, 09:01 PM
Keep the Z. You are prob not getting good boost if you are not happy. The sr20 will feel slow as hell compared to an upgraded Z. I have driven (owned a Ztt and S14 and driven a sr20 s13).
mkddoc
03-20-2002, 09:20 PM
That's not the point.
I'm not going for all-out speed, if you read my post I was talking more about handling. I am getting good boost, my z feels fast as hell on 9psi. I am not looking for a necessarily faster car. Hopefully faster than what my z is now (14 sec.) eventually i would like my car to be somewhere in the 13's, and handle well. I think i could do that with the swap, couldn't i?
no, i haven't driven the 240, but i did a lot of research on both cars before i bought the z.
another thing is that i would like a car that i can actually work on. i can't really work on the z, once i do exhaust, ecu, and intake, it's going to be hard to do much more. the engine compartment is a bitch. if i could put a new engine in the 240 i wouldn't have to worry about tearing it apart like i do with the z.
does anyone know any of the numbers on the sr20? if i just used the stock sr20 and swapped it into the 240, what would be 1/4, 0-60, top speed etc, or where can i find this info, just for some type of comparison to what i could do with the z, with my limited financial resources.
pornallstar
03-20-2002, 09:53 PM
Have you checked out Twin Turbo.net (http://www.twinturbo.net)? If not it is a great resource for the Z32. As for the handling on the Z, why dont you get some ebach sport springs and some Koni adjustables. I had some and I loved them on my 90 TTZ. I know that the engine compartment is kinda a pain in the ass to work on, but once you get use to it, its not all that bad. And I know that your sixteen, so are you paying for the car and the insurance or is parents or is money not a factor on this?
sykikchimp
03-20-2002, 10:35 PM
The Sr20 Stock in a Stock 240 will run high 14's. Add Exhaust, and intake, that'll be mid-low 14's. Raise the boost -depending on how much-Mid-low 13's are possible w/ about 14psi.
fyi - I'm pretty fairly sure on this one.. umm.. yeah
and stuff..
DragonReborn214
03-20-2002, 11:03 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mkddoc @ Mar. 20 2002,2:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That's not the point.
I'm not going for all-out speed, if you read my post I was talking more about handling.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If you read your own post (asshole), you would notice that you only mentioned handling in passing, and the rest was regarding speed modifications.
Getting an sr20det running is going to be expensive as hell. If something goes wrong, unless you have a spare sr20 engine sitting around, you will have to wait forever to get parts, and the parts won't be cheap.
Be happy with what you have, and mod the Z, it can handle quite well if the suspension is set up properly, and comparing it to the 240 is not very good, as they are completely different kinds of cars.
The Z can go crazy fast. I saw one that set the record for rear wheel drive sports cars at 7 seconds in the 1/4 mile.
Plus you prob arent making much money at 16, so what are you going to do when the car breaks down, and you don't have parts locally?
tnord
03-20-2002, 11:33 PM
dude.......where are you getting all this money? i can't even imagine what your insurance is.
my advice......sell the Z, it's too much car for you. keep the first car under 200hp for all of our sakes. no matter how good of a driver you think you are.......YOU'RE NOT. I'm 21 and frequent the track (no not drag strip) and the 240 is more than enough car for me.
240sxracer
03-20-2002, 11:36 PM
id keep the Z(i love my 240 but if i had a chance to buy a 300zxtt i would of got that instead)
Drift Style S14
03-21-2002, 03:13 AM
Hey MKDDOC where are you from? I am not joking when i say this but you sound a whole lot like this one dude that i know. you wouldn't live in california by chance, would you? If you do live in Ca. Do you live in the bay area? i don't know, but your car sounds really similar to some other dude i know.
Drift Style S14
03-21-2002, 03:28 AM
Oh wait nevermind, i just looked at profile and saw that you are from Oh. Anyways the punk ass kid that i was talking about is this one spoiled ass persian kid (i being persian myself). Anyways his parents bought him a 300z and did the works on it. Aparently his father owns a mechanic shop. well anyways he goes to some class to learn how to read and write farsi with my sister. I don't know how it started but he has beef with me now and talks hella shit behind my back. Just recently he wanted to race me. Its bad enough that he talks shit but now some punk ass kid that doesn't know shit when it comes to driving has a car way to powerful for him and expects me to race his ass. No i don't think so, sorry but there is no way i will get near his ass in that z. chances are he will lose control and crash into my 240 and no way in hell am i going to let any harm come to the 240. The point i am getting to is that if he was going to sell his z and get a 240 i am going to track his ass down and give him a royal beat down for even considering buying a 240 and disrepecting the car with his punk ass presence. Thank god you weren't him though. i was getting worked up for nothing... the thing that bothers me the most about the kid is that he doesn't even want the Z . he would rather have his 3-series bimmer. AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGG this kid pisses me off. anyways i say if you are tired of the z then get rid of it. but from what i recall weren't the z designed as touring cars. so should't they have pretty good handles. Honestly i don't see why you would want to give up on the z. unless its too much car for you. if thats the case then carful cause a 240 is that much better. especially when the road is wet and the car is turbo, but hey, what ever floats your boat.
matic 240sx
03-21-2002, 04:02 AM
ill trade you a 95 S14 SE with a few mods and only like 95,000 miles for the Z + 4600 bucks
mkddoc
03-21-2002, 05:30 AM
the thing is, the z and the 240 are not drag cars, but the 240 handles better and is cheaper and lighter, so i am kind of leaning towards that. ----> i think it was pretty obvious i was not looking for all-out speed, i was considering the 240 for handling reasons. i merely asked for some numbers as a comparison, i didn't have an idea what a stock swapped s13 could do. and actually, i never specified that it would all be speed mods, i just had questions about the speed in general. didn't mean to frost your ass, but calm down, i wasn't trying to be sarcastic or anything. i was just restating my post to try to show you that it wasn't all about speed.
anyway, yes, i go to tt.net everyday- it's where i learned everything about my car.
The money is an issue. Although my parents pay insurance (because i have good grades), it will still be hard to make payments, pay gas, and afford to mod my car, considering the price of mods for the z. It can be done, I just think that with a higher mileage z i am stretching what can be done with my budget.
whoever had the post about <200hp.-
i have many friends with 12-14 second cars, who have never been in any type of wreck. i also have many friends who had an fbody for their first car, and wrecked it the first week they had it. i know i don't have enough experience to be considered a good driver, but it just doesn't hold up when everyone talks about how kids wreck anything faster than 16sec. In my experience it's the idiots who don't really even have fast cars, not the guys semi know what they're doing (me).
btw, i'm not trying to say i'm a good driver. i do believe that i can handle my car, it just takes control, and it's easier because we have tracks around here where i can race safely. please don't give me the lecture, i've heard it a million times, and i know most of it's right, but i drive my car all the time, and i can control myself. i don't drive in rain, snow, etc, i drive the parents' 4wd for that. anyway, getting back on the topic of cars...
Plus you prob arent making much money at 16, so what are you going to do when the car breaks down, and you don't have parts locally?---> that was kind of what i was asking, for advice on what to do... because it will prob happen on the z, and i was looking for a cheaper option.
thanks for your opinions. seems like most of you would keep the z? i am considering it, it's just gonna take a long time to get money for paint, suspension, turbos, and exhaust.
tnord
03-21-2002, 09:10 AM
i'm just speaking from experience when i say that you think you are a good driver when you're 16, but you're really not. i thought i could drive, and that my 230hp eclipse wasn't too much car for me, but looking back on it, i didn't know shit about cars, and had no idea how to drive. but like you said, enough with the lecture. if you are paying for repairs and whatnot that's reason enough to get rid of the Z. i've owned a Z32 in the past and they are not cheap to maintain. actually if i were you, i'd keep the Z because they are so rare, but put it in storage and don't drive it. save up some money and buy a 91 240 for 2500 or 3k. then you have both the cars you want. and you can very gradually save up money for the Z.
and lets get one thing straight.....out of the box, the Z32 handles better than a 240. modified, i don't really know which is better.
pornallstar
03-21-2002, 09:27 AM
Dont worry if the Z is high mileage, if you take care of every thing when it needs it it should last for more than 200+K miles. Mine had 180K miles when i sold it and it was a stage IV+ with stock turbos and injectors with 165 compresion on all six cylinders (-/+5). Yes I know that the Z is ONE EXPENSIVE car to mod. If you want to know about handling mods talk to JohnY(huston) and got rice?. They will be able to help you with all your handling woes and got will hook you up with some nice prices. I have taken my Z to a few autoX's and I thought it did exceptionaly well. Just my $.02
luey02
03-21-2002, 09:38 AM
since none of the dumbasses would answer you questions, I think I will.
stock red top s13 sr will have:
205 hp, 203 lbft. more info at www.srswap.com
I think this 16 yr old kid is more mature than all you telling stupid worthless stories and asking where he gets all his money from. who cares! yeah, and you telling people they can't drive, I love you the most..
I agree with z parts being expensive, dual exhaust costs $1100? wtf! Also at 133k miles, reliability is an issue with all the money investing into it. Also I've heard the TT's have frequent breakdowns.. is that true with your car?? A new tt engine should be cheaper than sr but I dont know how easy to find them.
an sr swap with be around 3500 plus upgrade, fmic, flywheel, turbo, look for around 5500 for the whole thing. I think I'm gonna spend around that. Selling that TT, and you can get all that in a 240sx.. maybe another week's pay.. whatever
Parts are not hard to find, enjuku just opened up a new sr specialized site, parts cheaper that TT parts I would think. I can list 10 more sites with sr parts, just not now.. i'm at work.
Dragon, new engine with broken sr?? that tt engine will break down before the sr, wanna put some money on it? I thought so.
AFter all, you can probably have 2 equally fast/good handle car with same amount of investment... personally, I'll go with 240sx, besides that I have one already, lighter, gas econ., 4 cylinder, cheaper parts, drifting, although the Z is the flagship of Nissan tho.. tought choice.. dunno how much the front independ suspension helps handling..
burgy240
03-21-2002, 11:12 AM
I live in cleveland and if you want to meet up I'd love to check out your Z and give you a ride in my 240 s14! there is also A shop here in Cleveland that is attempting to purchase approx 5-8 Sr motors as a group and do the swaps this summer! If your interested I could hook you up with them as well. hit me up!!
thank you luey!!!
DragonReborn214
03-21-2002, 11:42 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ Mar. 21 2002,02:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dragon, new engine with broken sr??</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Please clarify what you are referring to here, as I am not used to communicating with Neanderthals. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>
luey02
03-21-2002, 12:56 PM
you said you hope that he has new sr's around to replace his already broken down one. maybe you should read you worthless post again so you understand what i'm saying
get up
MorganS13
03-21-2002, 02:04 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mkddoc @ Mar. 19 2002,8:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">couple more questions then <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
how much does everything cost (engine plus everything needed) pretend i had already bought the car and i did everything myself.
what would a 240 run (1/4 wise) with the swap?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
since u're gettin the run around i'll give u the numbers since u just asked a simple question...
stock sr20dets would run anywhere from mid 14s-high 14s dependin on driver and engine/condition etc... there are lots of variables. many mildly modded S13 sr20s run consistent 13s by turnin up the boost and basic mods like downpipe, FMIC, intake, exhaust, boost controller (u can run up to 14psi on stock injectors and turbo, bottom end can hold more than that, i'm thinkin round 20 something but i can't rememebr the exact #, stock psi is 7?). i'm sure there are slower and faster sr20s, but OVERALL this is what u can expect...
about switchin from a 300TT. i was in teh same boat as you, except the other way around. my deciding factor was that i can't live with a twin turbo 2 seater with high miles as a daily driver. since my 240 is my daily driver this is what i'm stickin with. about handling i've also heard from several places that 240s handle better than 300TTs becuase they're lighter and have similar suspension setups, but i'm sure thats mildly modded... for cost i'd say have $4500-5000 saved up for the swap because u might run into some problems + cost of car. hope this helps and i'm sure i made some mistakes so people can correct me all they want
HatchiRoku
03-21-2002, 03:39 PM
Man keep the Z... its awsome the easy factor is this.. one thing do you want to go fast in a straight line? or do you wanna go fast in the twisties.. that is it as far as power games go the z is the better car for handling games the 240 can be better... its up to you.. and you can upgrade your turbo's for cheap.. you can port out your stock housings and get downpipes and stuff and still crank over 450 hp outta the stocks so... just my 21.2 cents
tnord
03-21-2002, 04:17 PM
hey luey.......
couple questions
how old are you?
and who do you think you are calling all of us dumbasses?
and you know what.....i'm telling you right now that you can't drive luey, so why don't you go get all in a huff and call me some more names, that will prove your intelligence.
lunatik
03-22-2002, 01:30 AM
I would trade my 95 s14 for a ttz no matter what year in a second. I had the option to buy a Z before I bought my 240. If it had not been such a good deal for the 240, I would have bought the Z. I do regret not buying the Z, or a Supra. Oh well, I still love my car.
Alias
03-22-2002, 02:07 AM
Keep the Z. They are right, if you not getting good boost thats why you hate the car. Get new Turbos, or newer ones taleast. Not to sure about the upgrades for a Z, but I bet it would be easyer to get 400HP out that then a 240. WAY easier, and proably cheaper too. Your engine is already made to be Turbo, why bother with a car that isn't? I love my car, but I would rather have a Z. After its a "Z" car.
P.S. pornallstar, I love the Aztec Red!
pornallstar
03-22-2002, 05:56 AM
Yeah 400HP is close to what he has at stage III!! 396 at the flywheel.
Do you have an aftermarket boost gauge?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> if so what does it read at full boost?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
luey02
03-22-2002, 06:44 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Mar. 21 2002,6:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hey luey.......
couple questions
how old are you?
and who do you think you are calling all of us dumbasses?
and you know what.....i'm telling you right now that you can't drive luey, so why don't you go get all in a huff and call me some more names, that will prove your intelligence.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yeah, didn't really mean to call anyone names.. it's just frustrating to see people posting stupid stuff. see, after my post, people start being helpful..
The guy isn't even replyin to our posts.. I dont think it's worth to sayin anything more. But I think it comes down to how reliable his engine is now. I know you all would probably agree that once a small problem happens, other problem will start to come out.. Unless every component of a system is fixed..
mkddoc
03-22-2002, 02:14 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Alias @ Mar. 22 2002,03:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Keep the Z. They are right, if you not getting good boost thats why you hate the car. Get new Turbos, or newer ones taleast. Not to sure about the upgrades for a Z, but I bet it would be easyer to get 400HP out that then a 240. WAY easier, and proably cheaper too. Your engine is already made to be Turbo, why bother with a car that isn't? I love my car, but I would rather have a Z. After its a "Z" car.
P.S. pornallstar, I love the Aztec Red!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
whoa, i never said i hated my car. infact, i believe i did say that i love my car, which i do. also, 400hp in a 3400lb z is not the same as 400hp in a 240. but yes, 400hp is very easy on a z, just costly.
no i don't have an aftermkt. boost gauge, but it will be the first thing i do. i know i am getting good boost, i never said i had a problem with the performance. *reliability* was my main concern. the car is still fast as hell- i spin as soon as full boost hits at the end of 1st and part of second.
i am now realizing that i don't give a shit if it will be tough to get around the engine bay, because, i can do turbos when it happens, but other than that i can do exhaust, tp's, dp's, intake, ecu, injectors, controllers, and have well into the 400's in horsepower, without ever having to really even work in the tight spaces. so i can get the hp i need without digging around my engine. (as long as i'm still getting good compression). i just need to not be a little bitch about spending the time to work on it.
i can also do weight reduction, which i need drastically. i will be ripping a/c, maybe racing seats, etc.
all of this will take a couple years, but my car will be fast as hell when i'm done.
for those of you who supplied the info i was looking for, thank you, it helped a lot.
p.s. i'm not trying to end the thread, just putting in my present thinking (i was still reading the posts luey <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
junia
03-22-2002, 03:18 PM
I Know a guy that has a TT Z and that thing out performs any silvia's thats come up against it. He has the stock engine with stock cams, but with a metal head gasket. He's running twin TD06-19C turbos. computerwise he's got a VPC and a rechipped ECU and thats it. He's also got coilovers all around( I wanna say tein but can't recall) and He's pushing 650Hp to the rear wheel. I would love to have power like that. The drawbacks with that kind of power with the Z is the weight. Not so much with manuverability but the wearing down of the drivetrain from pushing that kind of power to the rear wheels with all that weight on top. He's gone from a OS Giken twin plate to a triple plate and now on to the HKS fourplate clutch. Since now that the clutch can handle the power the tranny blows He upgraded to an OS tranny. Well, whataya know the driveshaft snaps so he gets it replaced with OEM but you can bet the diff is going to go next....... But after he replaces all these parts that cars going to be unstoppable.
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