What to do with 8k to "motor"

[SpoolinSr20]

By June I should have 8,000 saved up in the bank for motor work.
Question is what to do with 8,000 to the motor..not brakes or suspension those mods are already done.Would 8,000 be enough for 550-600whp (on high boost and race gas.. 400-450whp on pump)...Motor is Redtop Sr20
Motor is stock.. No supporting mods as of right now
Thanks

[ledzeppelin240]

From the impression I got from your questions you barely know what makes and internal combustion engine run...

[Pudula]

Don't put 8k into your 240sx. Just my suggestion after putting 17k into mine.

[ledzeppelin240]

Don't put 8k into your 240sx. Just my suggestion after putting 17k into mine.

Why is that?

[mrmephistopheles]

:roooooooofles:

[HyperTek]

edit-- stupid meeh

[KA24DESOneThree]

I will devour your offspring.

Who spends $8k on engine mods?

[Rownan]

I will devour your offspring.

Who spends $8k on engine mods?

Someone who wants reliable power, and lots of it.

[90RS13]

Someone who wants reliable power, and lots of it.

werd. I know it wouldn't take me long to spend 8k on an engine.

From the impression I got from your questions you barely know what makes and internal combustion engine run...

I've always went with the school of thought, that you learn best by doing. Even if you know nothing about engines, you can still rebuild one, if you have a good guid, or a competent person to assist you, and with 8k he has some room for error.

[SpoolinSr20]

Someone who wants reliable power, and lots of it.

He's got my idea.. car will look stock except for some rims and the exhaust.
So sleeper is what i'm going for at first...

later

[MakotoS13]

Or you just don't feel like making the car able to handle all the power so you're skimping on it. i'll prolly get close to 8K before i even think of big power... i think you need to be more realistic.

if you aren't looking for a drag car that runs 9's you don't need 550hp. 350 is more than enough for what our car weighs.

p.s. your motor sucks.

[Var]

8k isnt really that much money for an engine.

tomei stroker kit. this covers most of the bottom end and costs 4-5k with sleeves and anything else you may need. highly recommended if you are serious about pushing 600hp. you are already halfway through your budget. if you add labor, you are at 8k.

can you do your own motor work? if not, just stop right here and re-think your hp goal. We havent even touched on cooling, oil, the headwork(porting, cams, valvesprings, the turbo or the tuning, or the clutch and drivetrain to support it not to mention all the electronics.


if you want it done right to last you need about 15-20K worth of parts.

you are better off swapping a built corvette motor in it

[Doriftomodachi]

For a stock sr:

FMIC $1000
Boost controller $500
Bigger Injectors $500
Bigger MAFS $200
Bigger Turbo $1000
Blow off valve $300
Tuned ECU $1000
Tuning $750
Head gasket $200
cams $400
RAS $100

Roughly $5950 and you can have 400hp at the crank

[theronin]

invest it. stop being such a noob.

[Var]

For a stock sr:

FMIC $1000
Boost controller $500
Bigger Injectors $500
Bigger MAFS $200
Bigger Turbo $1000
Blow off valve $300
Tuned ECU $1000
Tuning $750
Head gasket $200
cams $400
RAS $100

Roughly $5950 and you can have 400hp at the crank



wow a tuned ecu AND tuning. that's hardcore :goyou:


personally i wouldn't consider this a reliable setup on a motor that hasnt been torn apart before




edit: you're also missing valve springs and all the cooling/oil supply

[SlowCoupe]

down payment on a G35C! and sell you current SR'ed 240 for some nice 19in Works...your welcome!

[xVaporx]

For a stock sr:

FMIC $850
Boost controller $350
Bigger Injectors $500
Bigger MAFS $100
Bigger Turbo $1100
Blow off valve $300
Tuned ECU $500
Head gasket $200
cams $400
RAS $85
Intake manifold $250
exhaust $350 (custom)
downpipe $185 (xs engineering includes o2 outlet and test pipe)
clutch $400
Walbro $110
misc $500

Roughly $6180 and you can have 400hp at the crank

fixed. based on my setup using a gt2540r

[nissantuner22]

How old are you? If your 20ish, I would SERIOUSLY considering investing the money. As fun as it would be to drive around your turbo 240sx, and drift it off a cliff... the money would be much wiser spent in investing. Wouldnt it be much more fun to drive a BMW in 30 years, than your busted ass, falling apart 240? Right! Next question!

[MakotoS13]

with 8 grand you could have a pretty well rounded car instead of a POS car with a 9 second motor, 13 second traction and 15 year old suspension components.

get a grip dude...

[BSeay]

remove SR insert RB end of discussion....

or like everyone else said...invest...you'll be happier with a comfy life later...

[zero.counter]

Just get a built engine from Phat-KAT's site. They go for around $4k shipped and can handle some serious abuse.

[SpoolinSr20]

with 8 grand you could have a pretty well rounded car instead of a POS car with a 9 second motor, 13 second traction and 15 year old suspension components.

get a grip dude...

Okay if you read in my first post on this thread it says suspension is already taken care of so i won't be riding on 15 year suspension! dipshit

8,000 is only a estimate i'm expecting more.

About the "who's doing the work" the bottom end is the only thing i'm having to bring the machine shop to clean up/fit for rods and pistons.. and yes the head just for angle job probably no port and polishing.

[Twinkie]

depending on if your gonna make it a track car, or a daily car. if its a daily car...i wouldnt spend 8k on it. unless i was super rich and 8000 bucks was like wasting 20 bucks to me.

if that is your desire, i say do catback exhaust, intercooler set up, intake, a nice filter set up, z32 MAF a nice good BOV, and see how you like the power. if you need more power...shit. mind as well do a turbo upgrade, and upgrade cam shaft/cam gear/valve springs.

i dunno...its all up to you. with 8k to spend freely, id invest something pretty cool shit like a nice flat screen tv for my room...ir a g5 or something. and games lol.

[mmdb]

invest it. stop being such a noob.

wurd :rant: :rant:

[sepulchral]

this post is stupid.... how can you ASK somone what you should do with Eight Thousand Dollars??? who on earth would want a setup that they didnt' understand?? mm?

Do some research or somehting, look at what makes the fast redtops go.. but if i were you and ihad 8k that i could ONLY put in the motor i would do this:

purchase a new sr20det w/ everything for 2500 shipped, puck 6 clutch with it..

with that sr do this:

Greddy headgasket (not gunna tell you what type) $200
ARP headbolts $150
GT2871R turbo $1100
740 CC injectors $400
z32 MAFS $200
Adjustable FPR to 50psi static pressure $100
JWT "4" cams $500
Enthalpy tuned ecu $500
Big Fmic custom piping made, new intake piping made $1000

There, 400hp considering stock block is good

now swap motors, if the new builtup setup is good than sell your old motor on the same crate the new one came on


so lets see

$2500 on new motor
$4150 on mods

$6650 total

then sell your motor for $2400 shipped on ebay or something..

about $4500 spent total and your car will only be out of commision for however long it takes to do the swap

and dont worry the parts you buy like the headgasket and injectors they all plug in play and practically walk from their shipping box to the motor and install themselves so you dont have to do labor. also the motor will jump in the engine bay on your command. The old motor might be sad so give it a few VJ's (valve jobs) until it spurts all over the place in excitement ready for the new owner

[MakotoS13]

Okay if you read in my first post on this thread it says suspension is already taken care of so i won't be riding on 15 year suspension! dipshit

8,000 is only a estimate i'm expecting more.


oh i'm a dipshit? you're the genius asking what you should do with 8 grand for a motor when you obviously haven't a clue as to where you should start.

suspension is taken care of? you've rplaced every bushing under the car or replaced factory stuff with race spec gear? you have something better than a Vlsd to take this over 600 crank hp? what about axles, driveshaft, and all the mounts along the drivetrain?

the problem here is that i'm not some jackass newbie giving next to no information yet asking for what I should do with money that you more than likely lucked into.

so either you know dick about motors and are totally ignorant, are really lazy, both, or you're just bragging about some spare change you have.

which is it, shirly?

p.s. you really should't talk to your superiors in such a manner.

[AenjukuCar]

Spend it on the motor, the so called 240sx fans on the site, are jealous and want your money....

[MakotoS13]

thats bullcrap i could drop twice that in cash on my car in the blink of an eye but i choose not to cause i'd like to think i am in some ways a responsible adult.

my point is that this kid almsot certainly has no idea what a 600hp normal weight car feels like let alone a 600hp lightweight RWD 240.

naive, inexperienced, and immature.

[xVaporx]

Im sorry, but responsible adult? WTF man loosen up! Seriously, if he wants to put 8k in his engine, let him. Quit being his father if you can't answer the question.

[MakotoS13]

perhaps you should read the whole thread before replying to a fraction of it. i made that as a response to the guy saying we're jealous of this kid.

[90RS13]

Why do any of you care what he does with his money? If he wastes it, that's his problem. He didn't ask, "what should I do with 8k" he asked "what should I do with 8k for my engine". If you don't want to tell him what you think he should buy for his engine, then just don't post. How hard is that? I think he should do more research and decide for himself what he wants for his engine, but I'm not gonna post-whore is thread, just repeatedly telling him that he's retarded. Most of us here are adults. Act like it. If you know that he wants to spend 8k on his engine and your not going to help him decide what to get, then why post?

[Doriftomodachi]

wow a tuned ecu AND tuning. that's hardcore :goyou:


personally i wouldn't consider this a reliable setup on a motor that hasnt been torn apart before




edit: you're also missing valve springs and all the cooling/oil supply

Oops i meant a tunable ecu like a powerfc or hks fcon vpro. As far as reliability goes, as long as the motor is tuned correctly reliability shouldn't be an issue.

[s14 blacktop]

were trying to help him to make a good decision not go waste 8K on his engine and later on be sorry for doing so, this is for all you people that are saying let him do what ever he wants, we are. were just offering our opinion on what would be the best thing to do, its called discussing....thats what chat is for...

[MakotoS13]

were trying to help him to make a good decision not go waste 8K on his engine and later on be sorry for doing so, this is for all you people that are saying let him do what ever he wants, we are. were just offering our opinion on what would be the best thing to do, its called discussing....thats what chat is for...

exactly. i never said the guy shouldn't spend that cash on his engine i just said that cause 600hp is just ridiculous for a 240 in anything other than a drag application.

[BSeay]

exactly. i never said the guy shouldn't spend that cash on his engine i just said that cause 600hp is just ridiculous for a 240 in anything other than a drag application.


agreed

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[axiomatik]

Well, considering that he only mentioned 600 hp in connection with race gas, I seriously doubt he's planning on getting groceries with 600 hp, plus, he never said that he doesn't want to drag race. My advice, if you want to spend 8k on your motor, is to not spend it all at once. Start with the basics and build from there over time. You might find that your goals evolve, and if you take your time, there's less reworking involved. Plus, you may realize that spending 8k just on the motor is silly, and choose to do other things with some of that money.

[SimpleSexy180]

can your car beat his car if he put 8k in...

[SpoolinSr20]

I don't see why everyone is so negative about me spending money on my personal car. I barely spend money as it is so everything else goes into my savings. And so what if i want to spend 8k on my car? it's my car your not driving it and it's what i want. And i don't need no flat screen t.v for my room i barely watch t.v as it is. I'm only 19 about to attend college this august so i'm planning on having the car done by then. Yes i understand that wow 8k is alot of money to do spend on the motor by no means i'm not flashing my money around saying i have alot this is money that i've saved myself with nobody's help. I asked for a little advice and i get reply's like "get a grip dude" "your immature" I mean what the hell if you don't want to help me out then go your seperate way.

later

[Doriftomodachi]

Haha don't worry about it man. Half of these guys would love to be in a position that you are in. They are just expressing how they really feel. If you worked hard for it hey it's all you. The bottom line is you gotta pay to play. Anyways good luck!

[wootwoot]

If you want reliable build a 300whp motor. You are going to be in college, think about it. I hate threads like this. DIE PLEASE DIE

[TachyonS14]

I don't see why everyone is so negative about me spending money on my personal car. I barely spend money as it is so everything else goes into my savings. And so what if i want to spend 8k on my car? it's my car your not driving it and it's what i want. And i don't need no flat screen t.v for my room i barely watch t.v as it is. I'm only 19 about to attend college this august so i'm planning on having the car done by then. Yes i understand that wow 8k is alot of money to do spend on the motor by no means i'm not flashing my money around saying i have alot this is money that i've saved myself with nobody's help. I asked for a little advice and i get reply's like "get a grip dude" "your immature" I mean what the hell if you don't want to help me out then go your seperate way.

later

Just a little advice, buy a beater car to drive to college or whatever. You aren't gonna be happy when you spend 8k in engine mods and your car gets jacked. College parking lots are one of the worst kinds :ghey:

[OptionZero]

Because 8,000 is quite a lot of moeny, and part of having that money is able to research how to spend it (search? work on a crapy car first? watch others work on cars?) rather than simply saying...hey...what should I buy and tell the shop to install?

The attitude is because many people here to their own work and scrape to get the stuff they need, and when you walk in and say you have $8,000, draw me a map to get to X, it seems pretty freakin' stupid.

But hey, I don't have $8k, and you do. Do what you like.

[Var]

Anyone who tells you not to spend your money has a right to, but honestly i think it's getting old and most people are just jealous.

I think you SHOULD spend the money on your engine, but be realistic about your power goals. If you want reliable, you're gonna have 300-350whp with decent spool times so you dont have to rev the snot out of your motor to get some boost. If *I* wanted a reliable 350whp sr, this is what i would do.

Rebuild bottom end with better rods and pistons and slight overbore(.5mm)$1200
New main bearings. $??
Mild port on the heads with 256/262 cams, valve springs and RAS $1200
High quality metal headgasket $200
ARP Headstuds $100
740cc injectors, FPR, and fuel pump with *dyno tuning* $1500
GT2871 .86 a/r turbo (i dont exactly know what kinda mani you need for this turbo but i would go tubular) $2000 w/ good mani
HKS SSQV BOV $220
Greddy FMIC $750
intake $100

$7300 with all this stuff not including labor.

besides the actual motor you'd need better cooling, an oil cooler if you race, and a better clutch and LSD if you dont already have one.

[BobbyBoy]

Anyone who tells you not to spend your money has a right to, but honestly i think it's getting old and most people are just jealous.

I think you SHOULD spend the money on your engine, but be realistic about your power goals. If you want reliable, you're gonna have 300-350whp with decent spool times so you dont have to rev the snot out of your motor to get some boost. If *I* wanted a reliable 350whp sr, this is what i would do.

Rebuild bottom end with better rods and pistons and slight overbore(.5mm)$1200
New main bearings. $??
Mild port on the heads with 256/262 cams, valve springs and RAS $1200
High quality metal headgasket $200
ARP Headstuds $100
740cc injectors, FPR, and fuel pump with *dyno tuning* $1500
GT2871 .86 a/r turbo (i dont exactly know what kinda mani you need for this turbo but i would go tubular) $2000 w/ good mani
HKS SSQV BOV $220
Greddy FMIC $750
intake $100

$7300 with all this stuff not including labor.

besides the actual motor you'd need better cooling, an oil cooler if you race, and a better clutch and LSD if you dont already have one.


Take what he said and add

Con-Rod bearing set - $200.00 + shipping.
Main bearing set - $280.00 + shipping.

$1000+ for Power FC or Fcon ECU

[rupertaker1]

Take what he said and add

Con-Rod bearing set - $200.00 + shipping.
Main bearing set - $280.00 + shipping.

$1000+ for Power FC or Fcon ECU

Keep in mind that if you go with an FCON V-Pro, tuning will be a hassle. Especially being on this side of the country, there are almost NO respectable shops that are certified. The closest I know of is Justin Nenni who is in Austin. Talk to him if you're serious, but don't expect to get by under $1200-1400. You can find him at www.tuningconcepts.com

[Doriftomodachi]

Anyone who tells you not to spend your money has a right to, but honestly i think it's getting old and most people are just jealous.

I think you SHOULD spend the money on your engine, but be realistic about your power goals. If you want reliable, you're gonna have 300-350whp with decent spool times so you dont have to rev the snot out of your motor to get some boost. If *I* wanted a reliable 350whp sr, this is what i would do.

Rebuild bottom end with better rods and pistons and slight overbore(.5mm)$1200
New main bearings. $??
Mild port on the heads with 256/262 cams, valve springs and RAS $1200
High quality metal headgasket $200
ARP Headstuds $100
740cc injectors, FPR, and fuel pump with *dyno tuning* $1500
GT2871 .86 a/r turbo (i dont exactly know what kinda mani you need for this turbo but i would go tubular) $2000 w/ good mani
HKS SSQV BOV $220
Greddy FMIC $750
intake $100

$7300 with all this stuff not including labor.

besides the actual motor you'd need better cooling, an oil cooler if you race, and a better clutch and LSD if you dont already have one.

The motor should be tuned to realize its maximum potential before adding cams and porting.

There are sr's running 400hp on STOCK INTERNALS

There are also sr's running 400hp on STOCK CYLINDER HEADS

The cams and polishing/porting will add power, but IMHO should be added last.

Headgasket is a good idea

FPR not necessary, stock is fine

.86 on a gt2871r? Drag maybe but not if he plans to drift. Response is better with the .64

All tubular manifolds eventually crack due to extreme temperature cycles, especially in colder climates. gt2871r will bolt on to stock manifold just fine.

And yes get a tunable ECU like the above mentioned power fc or fcon vpro. There are numerous others based on your budget.

[Var]

doriftomodachi: i am well aware of all of the above(except that the gt2871 bolts on to stock mani, thanks for the info.)

BUT...that's why i put asterisk around I cause that's the way *I* would do it. At this moment in time, my SR is running really strong, but i still wouldnt trust the bottom end to put that turbo on it. Also with that choice of turbo i would have my powerband from 4500-8000 so that's why i would choose to have a port job and cams along with rebuilt bottom end cause i would constantly be squeezing 8k or a little more out of the motor.

I'm sure that stock SR could handle 400hp on stock internals but i would rather not try it because *I* only use it for racing and a lot of people who build motors just to bulid them are building dyno queens anyways. Let's see how much sustained boost and high rpm abuse that 400hp stock sr can take before something happens.

[smellslikecurry]

tuition bills!!!!!!! unless you have a full scholarship...in that case go waste your money however you want...doesnt hurt any of us