questions regarding alignment

[teruya01]

below is a link to the camber alignment kit for a 95-98 240sx made by eibach. the only thing is its only for the front. "Specs: Eibach Camber Alignment Kits Eibach Camber Kit Front +/- 1.75". however, keep in mind that i only care for the tires..i cant afford to buy new tires every 8months. the question is, what would i use to prolong the rear tires? i heard of cheap RUCAs on ebay...is that basically the same as the eibach alighment kit? save my tires some time.. i dont really need the name brand ruca's. i only want to buy parts that will save the tires in the camber areas. since the ebiach is hella of alot cheaper then the RUCAs will the cheap ebay ones work? or would i have the buy something like battleversion. sorry for the stupid questions but i plan to drop it some bit where i dont want the tires to blad fast in certian areas. thanks...also woudl the ebiach work as well for the tires? -J


1)http://www.needboost.com/part/eibac...nt_kits/nissan/

[Dousan_PG]

you will not kill tires if your camber is no more then -3 less tires last VEYR LONG
most important

YOUR TOE!
front is from tie rod
rear is toe link

whats your camber at right now?

[S14DB]

Dremel tool works as well as a camber kit in the front. The idiot that did my car failed to notice that I have ajustable camber plates in the front and tried to sell me a camber kit.

I doubt you will need rucas. You will not be able to 0 it out but you will get it to less than 2. You should be able to ajust the Toe back to Zero without rods.

Don't worry about camber. Your TOE is going to be fucked up and you will eat tires like a MoFo.

[XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX]

u have to change the camber before u change the toe. so if u want to adjust the camber for the rear, get lower control arm that adjusts or get a upper control arm that adjust. then change the toe. cuz if u mess with the camber ur gonna mess up ur toe a lot.

[S14DriftR]

man, I wish my tires lasted 8 months.

[teruya01]

u have to change the camber before u change the toe. so if u want to adjust the camber for the rear, get lower control arm that adjusts or get a upper control arm that adjust. then change the toe. cuz if u mess with the camber ur gonna mess up ur toe a lot.


XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX, basically how much are we looking at to correct the camber and the toe... ALSO with the question stated above should i get the eibach alignment kit for the front? do i need to chaneg the toe in the front too? im at a tigh budget as you can see witht he tires already...can u show me links or names of places that have crap for this problem... it was really hard for me to find anything about correct camber for the 240sx. =( thansk -J

[msaskin]

Don't worry about camber. Is you car lowered? If not, then have them put it to factory specs for camber & toe. If your car is lowered, have them bring camber as close as possible to factory specs and worry about getting toe to spec.

As stated above, camber doesn't kill tires, toe does. Just rotate your tires reguarly (every 5000 miles or so) and you'll negate any problems associated with too much camber.

~matt

[teruya01]

Don't worry about camber. Is you car lowered? If not, then have them put it to factory specs for camber & toe. If your car is lowered, have them bring camber as close as possible to factory specs and worry about getting toe to spec.

As stated above, camber doesn't kill tires, toe does. Just rotate your tires reguarly (every 5000 miles or so) and you'll negate any problems associated with too much camber.

~matt

msaskin... No my car isnt lowered. however i already have in my garage the "Sustec Pro S-OC Type II" coilover which basically is tanabes basic coilovers..the entry level one. I plan to install the coilovers as soon as i figure out how to save my tires =P meaning, if I need to buy the eibach alignment, or anythign eles, i want to install it the same time i install the coilovers...

"Is you car lowered? If not, then have them put it to factory specs for camber & toe."?????

so basically you are saying dont buy the ebiach, toe, or ruca for the correction of the alignment...its just not needed...I would just tell them to install the coilovers and say "put it to factory specs for camber & toe".? and rotate the tires every so often? i understand about the rotating..thats how i came up with the 8months as staeted above..i just wanted to know if the eibach alignment kit would save 1-2 more months..or anything eles like a aftermarket toe or ruca etc..

[S14DB]

You will not need anything. Just take it to the place and have them max out the Camber as far as they can and then ajust the Toe to Zero.

Toe is what is going to kill your tires. If the camber is to much you are not taking corners fast enough.

[XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX]

ionno wat u guys are saying but camber will mess up ur tire. every time u use your brakes, or u take a corner not fast enough to even out the tire patch on the ground, it will mess up the tire on the inner side of the tire if u have negative camber. and u asked how much it will cost? umm get something like this
http://raretrick.com/index.asp?cat=1&Page=1&Display=Yes&Back=Listings&ProductsID=6216
its kinda expensive but thats wat i got wen i went to japan, so i got it for cheaper. im sure thers products out there that do the same exact thing but cheaper. thers some on splparts too. http://www.splparts.com/
you said u have the tanabe sustec, does that come with adjustable camber plates on the top? if not u might have to get that too.

but the cheapest way u can possibly do it is to just to drill a bigger holes on were they connect to the subframe, on the rear, and on the front to make a bigger hole on the shock mount bolts area. but i dont think thats too good of an idea.

[msaskin]

Once again, if you properly rotate your tires, camber will not wear them out. The idea is that every x000 miles you rotate the tires, so what was the inside is now on the outside, and vice versa.

Even if you don't rotate, it would take literally tens of thousands of miles for camber to even begin to wear a tire uneven. Too much toe (in either direction) on the other hand will kill a tire within a few hundred miles.

Also, you don't necessarily want 0 toe. I forget what the factory specs are, but I'd lean towards them being 1/16"-1/8" toed in in the front and 0 or slightly toed out in the rear.

~matt

[meatish]

So what is the consensus for correct toe settings? I am around -2.5 degrees camber, and my ES100's are fucked on the inside edge. I had the alignment shop set toe at 0, thinking it would be best for tire life, but I guess not.. and I doubt that alignment lasted long. So, what is the perfect toe setting for maximum tire life w/ lots of camber?

[Soon2BNsr14]

Once again, if you properly rotate your tires, camber will not wear them out. The idea is that every x000 miles you rotate the tires, so what was the inside is now on the outside, and vice versa.



What?!? :eek: did you just say that if you rotate your tires what is on the outside will be on the inside? WTF where did you get that? if you have a tire on a rim... and rotate it, regardless if you take it front to back side to side caddy corner, the inside is the inside... that is the way of the rim... unless you have cool reverse bolts pattern on you rims, witch i don't think they make...



So what is the consensus for correct toe settings? I am around -2.5 degrees camber, and my ES100's are fucked on the inside edge. I had the alignment shop set toe at 0, thinking it would be best for tire life, but I guess not.. and I doubt that alignment lasted long. So, what is the perfect toe setting for maximum tire life w/ lots of camber?

Toe should always be just barely set towards the inside... and i mean like .01 ish for each side... it keeps the car from having too much "road steer"... camber will wear a little patch if it is severe enough. it is common sense... it is on the road more than the rest of the tire. If you take it to a competent tire place they will let you know that you want it as close to stock unless your doing some crazy road racing, drifting ect.... in witch case your tires won't last long anyway.

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[XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX]

Once again, if you properly rotate your tires, camber will not wear them out. The idea is that every x000 miles you rotate the tires, so what was the inside is now on the outside, and vice versa.

Even if you don't rotate, it would take literally tens of thousands of miles for camber to even begin to wear a tire uneven. Too much toe (in either direction) on the other hand will kill a tire within a few hundred miles.

Also, you don't necessarily want 0 toe. I forget what the factory specs are, but I'd lean towards them being 1/16"-1/8" toed in in the front and 0 or slightly toed out in the rear.

~matt


u could rotate the tires from inside to out side and it doesnt take thousands of miles to waear the tire from camber. i wore out the inside of my tires in about 2 thousands miles. nd now my front one is skidding when i brake, but thats beside the point, ur tires will wear.

[Soon2BNsr14]

u could rotate the tires from inside to out side and it doesnt take thousands of miles to waear the tire from camber. i wore out the inside of my tires in about 2 thousands miles. nd now my front one is skidding when i brake, but thats beside the point, ur tires will wear.

Jap, you can not rotate the inside of a tire to the outside with out removing the tire from the rim or mounting the rim backwards, :duh: and i said directly that you will wear out the tire in a certain band if the camber is bad enough, and 2000 IS thousands of miles... 2 thousand to be exact. i must say if your getting 2000 miles out of your tires... you might be riding on too soft a compound for standard road use... i rotate my tires at about 2000 and rotate about 3 or 4 times before i replace my tires... and i have quite bad camber. -2.5* in the front and about -3.5* in the back, nothing to run for the hills for but not oem sugested either.
Don't take offense it is just a discussion about a common issue and attempting a solution

[Ian]

yeah, 2000 miles is pretty often to go through tires...i'd say aside from hardcore drifters, people should be able to make a set of tires last close to a year