Rollcage question?!?!

[RSP13-Sideways]

Is it true that 240's with sunroofs have a lower roof line? That doesn't make sense to me, because I've never seen rollcages give an option with "sunroof" or "no sunroof" that doesn't make sense.

[Dousan_PG]

there are options
safety 21
and cusco

have models varying on your car (sunroof, moonroof, neither) and then coupe, fastback and then how many points and then color and then pad color

[RSP13-Sideways]

Dousan...so chances are if the cage says "no sunroof" there is no way to make it work. I mean I have a welder, so I'm tempted to buy it and if it's too tall then cut the legs down and weld some plates onto my car, then the cage to the plates......

[Dousan_PG]

anything can be done
but its bettre to buy the RIGHT product the first time then 1/2 ass it
and with roll cages, imo, you DONT 1/2 ass it

[RSP13-Sideways]

Word...I just saw a great deal pop up and found out about the sunroof thingy to my amazement...

I use to have a AE86 with a Cusco 6-point in the past so I know bout making sure it's done right the first time...

Good looking out Dousan.....

[Dousan_PG]

if anything bud
buy it and sell it
haha
for more then you bought it for (duh)

[Brian]

as far as cusco/safety21

you can choose chromoly or steel (chromoly being cusco, steel being safety21
cusco is blue, safety21is black
both can be had for sunroof or no sunroof
both can be through the dash or "dash-dodger" which bends around the dash.
both can be from 4 point to 8 point.
i dont even know if i helped this thread.

[S13SilviaGirl]

hahaha it's almost an all PG thread!

[kandyflip445]

ROFL. Up until now it's been a "PG/13" thread. ;)

[s13Dr1ft]

yea. do some very good research. Last thing you want to do it hack up rollcage. there specificly built for the car.

[sLiDewAys]

sorry to bud into your post man, but is it true that the deck lid on coupes has to be trimmed"s13 i am referring to" in order to equip the autopower cage??

dousan ur the same with the master plan so let me know yo
b-rand-on

[Dousan_PG]

deck lid? on trunk?
im going custom cage. no bolt in bs

[msaskin]

Cusco = crushco.

I personally don't feel safe with a cage that has the majority of the bars BOLTED together. You do realize there's a reason that it's not approved by any real motorsports sanctioning body, right?

If you want inexpensive and bolt-in, get an autopower. The full cage is $650, takes about 4 hours or so to install.

~matt

[sLiDewAys]

thats deck lid, referring to rear speaker pannel, also houses the 3rd brake light

[Dousan_PG]

dont know
holesaw it haha
:)
couldnt tell ya though

[Kreator]

but its bettre to buy the RIGHT product the first time then 1/2 ass it

when it comes to rollcages, buying ANYTHING premade is already 1/2 assing it.

and autopower is still crap....

[msaskin]

Odd that you say that.

I know a number of professional racers (meaning real wheel to wheel racing, not track events, not drifting) that run autopower cages. If you take an autopower cage (not the bolt together roll bar) and weld it to the vehicle instead of bolting it down, you've basically got the same end result as having a custom cage made. Then again, the cage, when bolted in is completely legal for most all forms of sanctioned racing, if real organizations (NASA, SCCA, IMSA, etc...) don't have a problem with it, I think it's safe.

FWIW, I've seen multiple crashes (a few t-bones and 1 roll-over) involving autopower cages...all of them did their job of keeping the driver safe.

~matt

[sLiDewAys]

thank you mat, THANK YOU<wavey>

[KiDyNomiTe]

Custom is guaranteed perfect fit and the way you want it. As long as the person making it knows what he is doing it will be better than a pre-made. Hopefully mine will be done early next year.

[Brian]

i'm getting a premade safety21.
i'm gonna like it and it is going to work.
thanks.

[msaskin]

i'm getting a premade safety21.
i'm gonna like it and it is going to work.
thanks.

It'll work fine until you're in an accident at which point it will promptly collapse and probably injure you.

Bolts are fine to mount a cage to a chassis provided mounting plates are used. Bolts are not fine for holding structural pieces of the cage together!

~matt

[Brian]

i'll take pictures when that day comes.

[Stock-S13]

^^^^^^^^^^^

you do that, and you know what else get on aim!!!

Ohh ohh and i almost forgot

(quagamire voice) "All riggghhhtt"

Im watching all the dvds right now w00t x-mas this year is awesome!

[Brian]

i am on AIM

[sLiDewAys]

if bolt ins provided that much of an issue then why are they produced! PLEASE if you would like to announce such accusations about a companies cage, then please provide pictures and information reguarding the matter to further back your opinion! dont just state it and have nothing to prove what you are sayying is true!

if this is true then show some proof, im shure u can proove someone wrong better with that, rather than worthless points

[msaskin]

Something to consider is the difference between bolt-in and bolt-together.

The autopower cage (or bar) is a single welded unit that gets bolted to the car with the use of backing plates on the underside of the vehicle. The crushco cage is shipped in multiple pieces that get bolted together. Big difference.

~matt

[90RS13]

thats deck lid, referring to rear speaker pannel, also houses the 3rd brake light

That's just called the rear deck. Not deck lid. Deck lid = trunk lid. Just FYI

[Dousan_PG]

he right
but cusco is more for chassis stiffening

if your doing what he is (see sig) then yeah thre a diffrence

obviously brian doenst care, i sure as fuck dont, and neither do many of my friends with them (statside and japan)

now comeback with the usualy 'what if...'
sound like a damn insurance company
and ive yet to read, seee, hear about any accidents as you mention from a cusco cage from ANYONE

[Brian]

yeah but Dousan, if you swap a SR into your car you run the possibility of it blowing up!
better safe, than sorry!
now let me get back to sitting in my protective blanket in the corner....
wahhh wahhhhhh

[Dousan_PG]

or the possiblity of getting your hooded popped
or impounded


wait this sounds a lot like CHURCH
lets all live in fear
maybe i should board myself in my room and stay out of the sun.

stfu

[sLiDewAys]

hahah aaron ur laughs. but what do u honestly think about autopower?

[Dousan_PG]

its a great cage
and its legal for all? types of racing if you do that stuff.

[RSP13-Sideways]

Yea the Cusco cage I was running was great when it came to Chassis Stiffening, and I only welded the plates to the bottom of the car, bolted it from the top....imagine if I welded the whole thing up.

I'm not talking about safety, like rolling over. If that happens or not, any cage is better than no cage.

[Gladman]

Not if you get a 1.5" cromoly tube in the side of your head.

Just imagine the ceiling bar breaking and sticking out into the car where you then hit it with your face at 50mph.

[Kreator]

Odd that you say that.

I know a number of professional racers (meaning real wheel to wheel racing, not track events, not drifting) that run autopower cages.

weird, cuz i dont know a single one who is running one without additional strengthening and doesn't complain about not getting a custom one.

When it comes to cages, its not all the times that it saves your life, its about that one time that it doesnt.

the problem with autopower is not the quality, its the fact that its premade. Custom > premade no matter how you look at it. It will never exactly match your car, it will not follow the car in the most perfect way. When it comes to ~$1000 for the cage + shipping + installation, my money is on a custom cage for $500 more. I'm cheap about alot of stuff, but safety aint one of them

btw, scca prorally program doesn't (or rather didn't) allow autopower cages straight out of hte box without additional work. Not to mention they completely banned bolt ins.

[RSP13-Sideways]

Not if you get a 1.5" cromoly tube in the side of your head.

Just imagine the ceiling bar breaking and sticking out into the car where you then hit it with your face at 50mph.


True, but I think it's a better death than getting your face smashed in by your A-Pillar......then rolling over crushing your head on the ceiling thereby breaking your neck, all the while flailing inside the car as it rolls off a hill at 40+mph. At the end of the day, cage or no cage, you die. But while you lived, we can all thank the cage for the great chassis stiffening!

[AutoRnD]

hahaha,.. shiet... this is some crazy brutality
anyhow..
i sat in my friends autopower..
It was ok.. but it was too low.. ie a pillar to a piller was right at my eye line..
and cusco isnt really "legal"
so i just decided to go custom w/ the rulebook in hand,