Would you trade your 98 Kouki for a 91 R32 GTS?

[Hayaiguy808]

As the title says. Guy offered to trade 91 gts rb20de for my 98 kouki ka24de. Would you guys pull the trigger or are the gts's not worth it?

[Thursday7]

I don't have a 98.


Sarcasm aside, no.

[kyle1a2]

Nope.

msglngth

[tuzzio]

I wouldn't. They're basically the same chassis with a different body.

[silviaks2nr]

I have a 98 240sx and definitely no

[Kingtal0n]

not even for 2 skylines

[Mafia 6]

Like tuzzio said, everyone going off emotions to own a skyline. I don’t see it as an upgrade like many people do (comparing to RB swapped s chassis)


I’m with everyone else saying don’t do it as I have a 98’ s14 myself

[S14rebuild]

Like tuzzio said, everyone going off emotions to own a skyline. I don?t see it as an upgrade like many people do (comparing to RB swapped s chassis)


I?m with everyone else saying don?t do it as I have a 98? s14 myself


I wouldnt...i got a 97.

But if were talkn a clean GTR then id probably.....

[Reece]

0% chance I would ever do that

[mewantkouki]

Why downgrade to an older car?

[Kingtal0n]

The hierarchy is like this:


95-98 240sx Original > 95-98 240sx Modified > everything else

look up how many corvettes produced in 1998 then look up how many 240sx produced in the same year

then tell me what an antique collectible vehicle is and where its value truly comes from when they can still be actually road worthy and posses unlimited potential

[S14rebuild]

Depends if u give 2 shits about a 1998 corvette

[Kingtal0n]

No it doesnt. It has nothing to do with corvette.

Look up Corolla instead. Same meaning.

The goal is to understand production number and application range, not the type of vehicle.

[S14rebuild]

I would say demand means alot....

Wouldnt matter if theres 5 s14s that year, if no one likes them or wants them it means shit

[ZenkiKid]

If its clean your 98 s14 is probably worth more than that older non turbo skyline

[Hayaiguy808]

Like tuzzio said, everyone going off emotions to own a skyline. I don?t see it as an upgrade like many people do (comparing to RB swapped s chassis)


I?m with everyone else saying don?t do it as I have a 98? s14 myself

Was definitely going off emotions and the "wow" factor of driving rhd in my area. Safe to say I'm keeping the kouki! Thanks for all the replies

[97kouki1J]

i live in canada,

over here a 91 gts with a 20de is worth no more than 5-6k canadian

a 98 kouki all original sells for 7k+

i sold a 98kouki, auto with 70k miles on it for 12k cad

[Kingtal0n]

In 2005 I bought two 1992 Nissan GT-R skylines for 5k each here in the USA

That is and what they will always be worth to me

In 2012 I sold an all original 97' for $9,000

safe to say there is some demand for one of the best RWD multi-application platforms in the world.

[SupaDoopa]

Everyone here is speaking from emotion and not common sense. In my mind, no. I wouldn't. I also have a Silvia S14a and a R32 so I guess I'm lucky to have both. If it were a plain USDM 240SX, that's different.

If you're thinking about a financial investment, then yes. I'd make that deal 100 times over. The R-chassis pricing is skyrocketing even with the market being flooded regardless of what shit engine is in the bay. If it's a good example of the chassis, definitely go for it. Spend a little money and swap it and spruce it up and it is worth twice as much as the S14 is without even worrying about it. Also, my R32 is probably the cleanest chassis I own. I for some reason cannot find a spec of rust on the thing despite it's age. My Silvia is 5 years newer and I needed to repair the pinch welds.

Also, the R32 is a S13 essentially on the suspension standpoint with a few differences. I've converted my rear end to S14 with a Z33 axle/diff setup and my front end to S13. Kind of a Frankenstein of sorts but it's the best of all worlds. Plus the stupid shit JDM kid inside of you can drive around on the wrong side and get super pumped.

Long story short with actual factual backing, yes. I'd do it. But understand the motor has to go.

[SupaDoopa]

In 2005 I bought two 1992 Nissan GT-R skylines for 5k each here in the USA

That is and what they will always be worth to me

In 2012 I sold an all original 97' for $9,000

safe to say there is some demand for one of the best RWD multi-application platforms in the world.

Imagine living in a world where someone has the mindset that a GT-R is worth less than a rotted S-chassis and then referring them to as a RWD application.

[Kingtal0n]

Imagine living in a world where someone has the mindset that a GT-R is worth less than a rotted S-chassis and then referring them to as a RWD application.


Between 2002 and 2008 I helped repair and sell around 40x GT-R skylines, all models. Most of them weren't worth nearly what people would pay. And almost all of the R32's were converted to RWD for various reasons...

So yeah I think of old GT-R as a RWD application, I can't remember a single one leaving as a AWD if it drove straight like a car should



In my mind, this isn't a skyline vs 240sx debate. To me they are almost the same car. I don't really care what you call it, one is just heavier. Instead, after experiencing so many SMH skylines, my knee jerk reaction is that most of them are beaten to death, even by 2008 they were all torn up, needed massive work. When compared to a car like an Original 97 automatic 240sx... the 240 wins simply in the "get in and go daily drive the antique without having to work on it and source expensive parts and time" department, which to me (all I care about is reliability and daily drivers atm) is everything.

[S14rebuild]

1989 vs 1998 debate on wear and tear, mileage and abuse is halirous

[Kingtal0n]

1989 vs 1998 debate on wear and tear, mileage and abuse is halirous


I've seen 95 240sx with 240,000 miles in better shape and with more life than 1992 GT-R with 140,000km.
That is a fair year range comparison. I Like how you chose the farthest disparaging years....

Its not the mileage. And to some extent its not even the abuse. Its more that the GT-R has tenuous mechanical parts... there is so much more going on in the mid and rear section of that car. Its kind of a mess. And the maintenance is exacerbated by those additional components, and seems like it is missed by people who expect to sell the car soon. "GT-R is meant to be sold and 240sx is meant to be owned" Mentality. And also there are so many 'JDM' originated modifications that are made before we get the car, that we may have no knowledge of from previous owners.


Even if a 240 has been neglected, it doesn't make a fuck of difference because in capable hands the parts are cheap, available, and engines plentiful assortment. The 240 is still extremely valuable since the value is in the chassis, not the drivetrain. The value is in the potential to be anything. KA engine and 5-speed isn't worth a mcdonalds cheeseburger to me.
Whereas a skyline with an RB20 or a neglected RBanything is going to be difficult and expensive to restore quickly or make something out of it. Even if the hands are capable there are additional costs associated with that car to make it a reliable performer. You are paying extra for the drivetrain it comes with and 9/10 it all needs a rebuild/replacement anyways, and there is no varied assortment to choose from, as few/none would put a sr20, 2jz or V8 into a skyline.

Skyline has a very specific set of purpose and a very specific engine and skill set requirement. It force feeds the owner it's short comings and advantages with no reprieve.
240sx is like having a blank canvas, that is why the original species are worth more than modified versions, if not in $$ then simply in potential and desirability to those willing to work for it's culmination completion, a final product which can be almost anything, any application, and anybody can own it i.e. novice or professionals can quickly build something reliable and affordable.

[S14rebuild]

I've seen 95 240sx with 240,000 miles in better shape and with more life than 1992 GT-R with 140,000km.
That is a fair year range comparison. I Like how you chose the farthest disparaging years....

Its not the mileage. And to some extent its not even the abuse. Its more that the GT-R has tenuous mechanical parts... there is so much more going on in the mid and rear section of that car. Its kind of a mess. And the maintenance is exacerbated by those additional components, and seems like it is missed by people who expect to sell the car soon. "GT-R is meant to be sold and 240sx is meant to be owned" Mentality. And also there are so many 'JDM' originated modifications that are made before we get the car, that we may have no knowledge of from previous owners.


Even if a 240 has been neglected, it doesn't make a fuck of difference because in capable hands the parts are cheap, available, and engines plentiful assortment. The 240 is still extremely valuable since the value is in the chassis, not the drivetrain. The value is in the potential to be anything. KA engine and 5-speed isn't worth a mcdonalds cheeseburger to me.
Whereas a skyline with an RB20 or a neglected RBanything is going to be difficult and expensive to restore quickly or make something out of it. Even if the hands are capable there are additional costs associated with that car to make it a reliable performer. You are paying extra for the drivetrain it comes with and 9/10 it all needs a rebuild/replacement anyways, and there is no varied assortment to choose from, as few/none would put a sr20, 2jz or V8 into a skyline.

Skyline has a very specific set of purpose and a very specific engine and skill set requirement. It force feeds the owner it's short comings and advantages with no reprieve.
240sx is like having a blank canvas, that is why the original species are worth more than modified versions, if not in $$ then simply in potential and desirability to those willing to work for it's culmination completion, a final product which can be almost anything, any application, and anybody can own it i.e. novice or professionals can quickly build something reliable and affordable.


You argue the dumbest points....your drag on statement isnt needed, nor do i need you to "convince me otherwise"


Literly sayn a r32 from 1989 wont equal a 1998 240sx. Just by age alone.....

But sure go ahead and type a novel..someone here will take the time to read it all...i wont

[d1zguy2]

I've seen 95 240sx with 240,000 miles in better shape and with more life than 1992 GT-R with 140,000km.
That is a fair year range comparison. I Like how you chose the farthest disparaging years....



You argue the dumbest points....your drag on statement isnt needed, nor do i need you to "convince me otherwise"


Literly sayn a r32 from 1989 wont equal a 1998 240sx. Just by age alone.....

But sure go ahead and type a novel..someone here will take the time to read it all...i wont

I read it, he makes 100% sense to me. A guy offered me to trade his R32 GTS-T coupe, for my 93 Silvia K's. I don't really care for Skylines or RB20DET's. So was an easy no. Also, IDGAF about real GTR's, don't care for their AWD, if I wanted a GOOD 4WD car i'd just get a subaru STI, audi RS/S something or a Tesla. Also, that particular car in 5 minutes of looking it over i'd have to spend 5k in parts to get it reliable and where I would want it for less power too and flexibility.

Another thing I've noticed is that kids (18-early 20 year olds) don't even know what a S13 or S14 are (I go to some high end car meets and they always come up and say the silvia was their favourite car despite being parked next to a lamborghini aventador with 1200 HP and two turbos out the back), I see a massive hike in prices once these youngings start making real $$$$$ and buy ours for crazy money since there isn't anything out there that is as easy, flexible, and unique, wether its new or old. People into the Skyline's are usually old farts with $$$ to burn to feed their initial D or too broke when young nostalgia buys.

That said the only skyline I'd buy would be a R34 GTS-T with a new GREDDY or HKS 2.8 liter stroker long block, GTR VSPEC NUR II interior and exterior in the pearlesaant purple or blue and fully restored for 60k over a tired and beat down used one for 15k less. Sky gallery in Thailand restores them and builds them to that spec. They did restore a real GTR R34 but their asking 180k for it. F that. Once they become legal in USA i bet they will be asking 6 figures for a USED beat up one. At those prices even with Thailands 300% taxes on imported cars make the R34 a better buy than one already in the USA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEfDR9o67Rc

[SupaDoopa]

I read it, he makes 100% sense to me. A guy offered me to trade his R32 GTS-T coupe, for my 93 Silvia K's. I don't really care for Skylines or RB20DET's. So was an easy no. Also, IDGAF about real GTR's, don't care for their AWD, if I wanted a GOOD 4WD car i'd just get a subaru STI, audi RS/S something or a Tesla. Also, that particular car in 5 minutes of looking it over i'd have to spend 5k in parts to get it reliable and where I would want it for less power too and flexibility.

Another thing I've noticed is that kids (18-early 20 year olds) don't even know what a S13 or S14 are (I go to some high end car meets and they always come up and say the silvia was their favourite car despite being parked next to a lamborghini aventador with 1200 HP and two turbos out the back), I see a massive hike in prices once these youngings start making real $$$$$ and buy ours for crazy money since there isn't anything out there that is as easy, flexible, and unique, wether its new or old. People into the Skyline's are usually old farts with $$$ to burn to feed their initial D or too broke when young nostalgia buys.

That said the only skyline I'd buy would be a R34 GTS-T with a new GREDDY or HKS 2.8 liter stroker long block, GTR VSPEC NUR II interior and exterior in the pearlesaant purple or blue and fully restored for 60k over a tired and beat down used one for 15k less. Sky gallery in Thailand restores them and builds them to that spec. They did restore a real GTR R34 but their asking 180k for it. F that. Once they become legal in USA i bet they will be asking 6 figures for a USED beat up one. At those prices even with Thailands 300% taxes on imported cars make the R34 a better buy than one already in the USA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEfDR9o67Rc

Says he'd get a good AWD car and then lists two that are absolute ass and one that costs something unrealistic. This is where I stopped reading.

Then during typing this, I read the stupid shit about a R34 with a stroker in it. Calls it by some generic ass color and claims a place in Thailand will restore it real nice using nothing but the finest OEM parts.

Dude, shut the fuck up.

[PoorMans180SX]

if I wanted a GOOD 4WD car i'd just get a subaru STI

:duh: :rofl: That's one of the most facepalm/hilarious statements I've ever read. Every Subaru built in the last 10-15 years is pure garbage, besides the BRZ. I have hope for the new chassis, but I'm not holding my breath.

GT-R's are excellent AWD cars, they just need fixing since they're 20+ years old.

To answer the OP's question, hell no. A nice '98 Kouki is going to be worth a premium here soon, as are all these '90's Nissan chassis. Skylines will come down in price, Z32s will go up, and S-chassis' are going to become very valuable because they've made an impression on so many people. Don't be the guy that's talking about his '69 charger he bought for $500 back in the day and wished he would have kept.

[d1zguy2]

Says he'd get a good AWD car and then lists two that are absolute ass and one that costs something unrealistic. This is where I stopped reading.

Then during typing this, I read the stupid shit about a R34 with a stroker in it. Calls it by some generic ass color and claims a place in Thailand will restore it real nice using nothing but the finest OEM parts.

Dude, shut the fuck up.

LMAO! Thanks for the laughs. Didn't expect much from the OG Silvia community and I was proven right. Your ignorance and close mindedness is apparent. Guess anyone that has a different opinion than yours should shut the fuck up then. You must be a joy to be around...

:duh: :rofl: That's one of the most facepalm/hilarious statements I've ever read. Every Subaru built in the last 10-15 years is pure garbage, besides the BRZ. I have hope for the new chassis, but I'm not holding my breath.

GT-R's are excellent AWD cars, they just need fixing since they're 20+ years old.

To answer the OP's question, hell no. A nice '98 Kouki is going to be worth a premium here soon, as are all these '90's Nissan chassis. Skylines will come down in price, Z32s will go up, and S-chassis' are going to become very valuable because they've made an impression on so many people. Don't be the guy that's talking about his '69 charger he bought for $500 back in the day and wished he would have kept.

GTR's are excellent AWD cars but for the money they will be asking for they are not. Honestly, I'll never own a AWD sports car and if I do it will just be a Tesla model 3 to daily in.

[S14rebuild]

LMAO! Thanks for the laughs. Didn't expect much from the OG Silvia community and I was proven right. Your ignorance and close mindedness is apparent. Guess anyone that has a different opinion than yours should shut the fuck up then. You must be a joy to be around...


This guys 16 posts in and making new friends! Nice!!!

[Flicktitty]

HARD NO.
:2c:

[SupaDoopa]

LMAO! Thanks for the laughs. Didn't expect much from the OG Silvia community and I was proven right. Your ignorance and close mindedness is apparent. Guess anyone that has a different opinion than yours should shut the fuck up then. You must be a joy to be around...

No. I often agree with a ton of people here and when we don't, we shit talk but it's more playful. The shit you said is fucking stupid. However, you wouldn't know this because you've been here for about 10 minutes and starting your journey here with stupid fucking comments like you're a guru of some kind.

GTR's are excellent AWD cars but for the money they will be asking for they are not. Honestly, I'll never own a AWD sports car and if I do it will just be a Tesla model 3 to daily in.

Oh, but a STi is worth the money when Subaru has polled it as their least reliable unit and one of the least reliable AWD 'fast' cars? Cool car for about 20 minutes. Then it's a pile of shit as they always have been. Had you said EVO, sure. It's a car that doesn't smell like strawberry kiwi vape juice and Monster Energy drippings and just fucking goes. But no, you picked the stupidest fucking cars and called them a better investment. Your lack of intelligence on the matter is pretty visible.

You're a fucking idiot.

EDIT: At least you backpedaled and left it at the Tesla only in your rebuttal. You'll never own a Tesla Model 3 because you're too busy buying signed Ken Block shit off Hoonigan.com sniffing the paper hoping one day you'll be nearly as cool as a dude who braps around in Fords.

[S14rebuild]

^^^^ BWAAHHHAHAHAHA.


This is why i love zilvia..thank you

[d1zguy2]

No. I often agree with a ton of people here and when we don't, we shit talk but it's more playful. The shit you said is fucking stupid. However, you wouldn't know this because you've been here for about 10 minutes and starting your journey here with stupid fucking comments like you're a guru of some kind.



Oh, but a STi is worth the money when Subaru has polled it as their least reliable unit and one of the least reliable AWD 'fast' cars? Cool car for about 20 minutes. Then it's a pile of shit as they always have been. Had you said EVO, sure. It's a car that doesn't smell like strawberry kiwi vape juice and Monster Energy drippings and just fucking goes. But no, you picked the stupidest fucking cars and called them a better investment. Your lack of intelligence on the matter is pretty visible.

You're a fucking idiot.

EDIT: At least you backpedaled and left it at the Tesla only in your rebuttal. You'll never own a Tesla Model 3 because you're too busy buying signed Ken Block shit off Hoonigan.com sniffing the paper hoping one day you'll be nearly as cool as a dude who braps around in Fords.

Man, first of all you don't know me and we sure wouldn't get along with you running your mouth like that at people you don't know and just judging them on a post cost and join date lmao. Well, you'll never know me and lets leave it at that.

I called those cars a better investment because it's where the money is and the general population gravitates towards. Despite how horrible the STI is and how old it is it holds its value well (I'd never buy one with my own money), why I don't know but it does. Does a regular Joe blow care about an EVO NOO! they just see an overpriced old car where there aren't as many buyers for. There are more people out there looking at the cars I mentioned due to availability and affordability, can't buy an evo new for low interest rates and cash, only hard core enthusiasts would pay for one now. TONS of people do not have the space, time or money to work on their own cars and or pay others knowledgeable enough to do so. The cars I listed are a better INVESTMENT for those people. I'd love to see what kind of cars you drive or build to be talking this sort of smack to someone who doesn't give a shit about how good of a playful shit talker you are.

Tons of people who want these old JDM cars now including Silvia's are those who can't really afford them yet or are willing to pay 4-8% interest or higher loans or army brats with enlistment or deployment bonus to drop to get them while running them to the ground. Hence not a WISE investment. Making the cars I mentioned a better buy for the larger majority of people, not you and me and that is me assuming you take care of your shit as much as you shit talk.

[S14rebuild]

^new zilvia thug watchout now

[zombiewolf513]

If zilvia could fully weaponize its nu-thugs against the i-know-what-i-haver's of the world, this board would fanboy in peace.

[S14rebuild]

^we were ALL fanbois, noobs and wannabes at some point in the car culture......but uts 2020...there is no excuse for lack of basic knowelege, info, and common sense.... its all already been covered and posted.

Now to intentionally post it to get a rise out of 30plus yr old guys that talk shit on a forum to one another is awhole nother story! Haha

[BryanSayWhat]

I'm a huge EVO/ GTR fanboi, but I wouldn't trade my 2015 STI for any standard EVO... Maybe a nice low mileage BNR34 (lol), but definitely not a BNR32/ BCNR33.

As brought up many times in the "Future Automotive Thread" a lot of the STI stigmas are largely out of proportion. Reliability issues among people that have actually owned them and properly maintained them are not as common as some would like to think.

Also, RWD R32-34 Skylines have never interested me personally. So, I guess I'd keep the 98 Kouki.

[dizzariot]

......but it's 2020...there is no excuse for lack of basic knowledge, info, and common sense.... its all already been covered and posted.


Fucking preach.

People talk shit for the EXACT reason listed above: we are in the age of information and people really think not knowing is an excuse.

Didn't expect much from the OG Silvia community and I was proven right.

You proved yourself right. You are entitled to your own opinion. We all are. When you catch flak you just roll with it. Sounds like you knew the reputation here and decided to join anyway.


Let's not forget the fact that y'all are all 'wrong first' for even giving this thread the time of day: OP is clearly trying to get his post count up and barely ever re-visited this thread...and also seems like he can't search car prices and trends via the magical internet.

Can we lock this shit thread since OP got one of two things already:

1. An answer that he could have Google'd (chassis values)
2. The shitty opinion of a bunch of people he doesn't know on a forum clearly biased towards his current platform. Why do we matter. Don't answer that.

[Future240]

Fucking preach.

People talk shit for the EXACT reason listed above: we are in the age of information and people really think not knowing is an excuse.

Didn't expect much from the OG Silvia community and I was proven right.

You proved yourself right. You are entitled to your own opinion. We all are. When you catch flak you just roll with it. Sounds like you knew the reputation here and decided to join anyway.


Let's not forget the fact that y'all are all 'wrong first' for even giving this thread the time of day: OP is clearly trying to get his post count up and barely ever re-visited this thread...and also seems like he can't search car prices and trends via the magical internet.

Can we lock this shit thread since OP got one of two things already:

1. An answer that he could have Google'd (chassis values)
2. The shitty opinion of a bunch of people he doesn't know on a forum clearly biased towards his current platform. Why do we matter. Don't answer that.

Pretty much this.

:lockd: