vg s13 or ka-t s13? survey

[nismo2491]

Alright here's some background info:
about a year ago I sold my ka-t car. it was a base model s13 fastback. the guy who bought it from me is my bro-in-law.
after he had it the mods now were:
t3/t4 60-1, ported and polished head with billet custom ground cams, haltech, forged rods and pistons, spearco custom designed FMIC setup, tial BOV, extrude honed intake manifold, injectors, act 4 puck (nx4-xt-r4), fidanza flywheel, and some other bolt ons. including kaaz 2 way. had a 1 piece aluminum driveshaft, volk te-37 17's with 555r's, bogart 8" w/ mickey thompson et streets pizza cutters up front, apex'i coil-overs. he built the car for a drag car but never really got it to where he felt ready to put it on the track so the most he did was trailered it down there with his mustang, and let the car sit in front of the trailer while he ran the mustang (both had lettering for his company on there, a plumbing company). about a month ago he was backing the car out of the trailer, and the ramp broke (it had previously been repaired but not well enough apparently). the car fell landing in the middle, bending the chasis beyond repair and bending the driveshaft.

so here's my options: buy the car back for $3k and put the motor into my se body. os-giken 6spd conversion, new driveshaft, maybe modify a few other little things, I think the reason he couldn't get it to run right was the cams so get PDM's new billet cams for it. maybe upgrade the haltech to a newer windows based program, thinking aem ems. different turbo w. ball bearings and possibly different wheels. couple other little differences. probably spray it too.

or I can buy a vg30dett and find out how that one guy did the swap and build that motor for hella power.

here's the problems though: I need to fit into certain classes at the track. with the ka-t it fits into pro-4 where with those mods and a good driver (me) with experience in the car it should be fairly competitive. with the vg it goes to I believe hybrid 6 or pro 6 where it will easily get blown away by other cars like rx-7's, supras, etc. so I want people's opinions on what they would do here. and no don't say sr or rb or something dumb like that because thats not an option.
KEvin

[KA24DESOneThree]

I say KA-T. No fabbing required for the motor to fit and you'll be more competitive.

[Phlip]

I agree, especially considering the amount of cash one would need to lay out in order to even get the VG in the car to begin with.

[sciamop]

nismo2491: I looked at all your hybrid threads. Why no RB or SR? It seems the RB25 would be the perfect price/power combo.

Todd
90 Coupe
93 Coupe

[Ghettokracker71]

Between a VG or KA-T in an S13 chassis? Definitely,without question go KA-T.

[Vatche]

get and rb or sr.....or just fix your ka-t the engine itself is cheaper to work with. but it your choice in the end why ask us....its what u want to do...the vg is a bad idea for what u want

[SimpleS14]

Kevin you whore...just go KA-T

[drift freaq]

VG is too heavy now VQ's are lighter . how much they weigh needs to be researched though.

[fastpace]

KA-T for sure. Is this for road racing track?

[wazimba]

ok got some advise for you i'm in the same boat as you im looking into making a crazy build for a drag car but i would highly advise you to go vg30. first have you seen the torque a vg makes with some nice turbos i doubt anyone with a mkIv supra will be able to hold up even if you just have 500hp in a light and properly set up 240. Parts are easy to find and you dont have to reinvent the wheel like you would when it comes to making the ka push 600hp. VG on stock turbos and some injectors will easily do 400 hp. ive seen guys do 600hp from stock block vg just slap on some ballbearing turbos injectors and chip the stock computer and intercoolers. the tranny is ten times stronger than a ka one and you dont have to spend 4-6 grand on a os giken tranny. thats just my 2 cents.

[nismo2491]

it'd be mainly built for drag car. but it would see some road course and autox action. maybe even a bit of drifting even though I'm not really into that. the reason I asked was so maybe people would bring up some pros and cons that I hadn't considered. the reason I don't want to do sr or rb is because I don't. plain and simple. I just feel that I can get the same results with motors that are much more commonly available stateside as I can with spending the extra money on an imported one. (ie 3-4k for a full front clip of a s14 vs 1.8k that I priced out a 95 z32 tt front clip). also I feel that there is roughly the same amount of knowledge and good aftermarket support for the two motors I am considering as there is for the ones I'm not.
KEvin

[wazimba]

i know the vg is gonna be abit harder to put in but the end results are gonna shock you. im trying to put one in a ae86 so......... i got tons of more work to make it work.

[nismo2491]

thats what I was looking at. the vg has about the same rev capabilites as the ka and its got better torque output as well as more potential, in theory, based on the extra 2 cylinders and .6L of displacement.
KEvin

[SimpleS14]

Put a 2JZ-GTE in your S13.....

[nismo2491]

haha I would, but if I do bring it back I don't particularly want to leave the nissan family with the engine. shit if I were to do that 351W all the way.
KEvin

[sciamop]

I just feel that I can get the same results with motors that are much more commonly available stateside as I can with spending the extra money on an imported one. (ie 3-4k for a full front clip of a s14 vs 1.8k that I priced out a 95 z32 tt front clip). also I feel that there is roughly the same amount of knowledge and good aftermarket support for the two motors I am considering as there is for the ones I'm not.
KEvin

Depends what your time is worth, too. If you have lots of time to spare and you know how to weld, then I say VG30DETT.

I used to have a bone stock Z32TT and it was fast. Subtract 600-800lbs by dropping the VG into the S13 and it would be insane.

The other option, of course, is to build a lightweight Z32TT. 1990 Slicktop NA, gutted interior, racing chair, no AC, Aluminum bumpers, HICAS elimination, CF hatchback/lexan window, lightweight exhaust, lightweight wheels, blah blah blah.

The Z32 is a fantastic platform once you get rid of the pork.

Todd
90 Coupe
93 Coupe

[nissan slut]

sr. just get the sr. get an sr and call it a day.

[nismo2491]

not sure how many times I have to say this. Sr is not god's gift to motors and its not what I want either.
KEvin

[nissan slut]

oh, you're one of the homos that's doing their engine swaps to be different. good luck, being gay and all.

[Nizmo240_22]

oh, you're one of the homos that's doing their engine swaps to be different. good luck, being gay and all.

Welcome to fourth grade. Lets recap. "and no don't say sr or rb or something dumb like that because thats not an option". Not only are you immature, but you're illiterate as well. Do everyone a favor and don't post in this thread again.

[nismo2491]

I'm one of those people that doesn't feel like spending extra money to do the same thing with something different thats readily available for less money. so take your little queer bandwagon-jumping ass out of my thread if you don't have anything constructive to add to it. and learn how to fucking read. and no don't say sr or rb or something dumb like that because thats not an option.
that was posted in the first post I made in MY thread. the following is from post #11 in my thread. the reason I don't want to do sr or rb is because I don't. plain and simple. I just feel that I can get the same results with motors that are much more commonly available stateside as I can with spending the extra money on an imported one. (ie 3-4k for a full front clip of a s14 vs 1.8k that I priced out a 95 z32 tt front clip). also I feel that there is roughly the same amount of knowledge and good aftermarket support for the two motors I am considering as there is for the ones I'm not.
this would be from post #18 not sure how many times I have to say this. Sr is not god's gift to motors and its not what I want either.
not sure how many times I have to fucking say it. that I don't want an sr or rb or ca. if you're that in love with the motor why don't you fucking marry it. no reason to sit here and call me a homo because I want to do something else other than what you do. like I said already. STFU and don't post if there is no reason to. :fawk2: god I hate newbies. and just to shut you down on your comeback that I've been signed up since after you did check out my other s/n that I forgot all the info for that I created 1 year after buying my car. http://www.zilvia.net/f/member.php?u=1872 which would mean 4 years ago I was messing with s-chasis cars. were you even allowed to drive 4 years ago? real cute. kid doesn't even drive a 240sx. he's got a skylark.
KEvin

[SimpleS14]

Get a RB Kevin....twin turbo...with NAWZ lol

Seriously....go KA-T.....built maybe?

[nismo2491]

no george. I'd run a stock ka-t bud. did you even bother reading the intro. It's the built ka-t that was in my old gray car. well it wasn't built when I first had it but it was built over the winter. the setup would change a tad bit from that, but the internals and most likely the headwork (other than the cams) would also stay the say.

KEvin

[wazimba]

im telling you the rb26 has nothing on the vg30

[nismo2491]

no kidding it has nothing on the vg30, except about $3000 for a lower mileage one and all the required stuff for the swap, not to mention the more expensive aftermarket parts.
KEvin

[lilredstiffy]

KA or VG?

So how many running VG-swaps are there again?

I think KA or VG there are cars out there in both 'drag' classes that are very fast, go with whatever you want but the VG sure seems like a unnecessary headache to me.

[nismo2491]

I don't think it'd be too hard to get it to run it as if I went with the VG I'd probably end up running a windows based haltech engine management rather than the ems. Since I can get a haltech wiring harness and not need to figure out how to run the z32 harness....
what worries me though about running a high output z32, I'd be shooting for somewhere in the neighborhood of 500-600whp w/ nitrous, is if the r200v can hold that w/ just a kaaz 2 way. I know there are guys running z32 TT's with more than that, but they don't run r200v since the z32 turbo comes with something else (I believe r230v, but thats just a rough think I heard that somewhere before guess). I could always swap in like a c4 rear end or something but that'd be hella more work. Also I'd be worried as to if the chasis itself could support that power output. I don't see why it wouldn't but I haven't done enough research to find out. anyways any more opinions/experience is appreciated.
KEvin

[sciamop]

I haven't done alot of research, but the R200 series is supposed to be a *very* robust unit. I'd worry about the transmission more than the rear end on a car making that hp w/ sticky tires and drag launches...

Todd

[mike13]

IIRC, the GTR uses an R200 diff, so durability of the rear end should nt be too much of a concern.

[nismo2491]

hmmm good to know. trans should be ok. z32 trans I'm not worried about. its the ka trans I'd be more worried about. which is why the ka would be getting its new friend, the os giken 6 spd.
KEvin

[nissan slut]

EDIT: i replied, but decided i wasn't going to respond to that guy's great ownage of me. :jerkit:

[nismo2491]

wow, so you actually matured up a bit in the past couple weeks. good job. what do you want a cookie?
KEvin

[old_s13]

EDIT: i replied, but decided i wasn't going to respond to that guy's great ownage of me. :jerkit:

thats because you've already gotten owned. once you get owned, you cant get owned again.. you can only get cl0n3d from that point on.

you've been 0wn3d AND cl0n3d! haha

[nissan slut]

wow, so you actually matured up a bit in the past couple weeks. good job. what do you want a cookie?
KEvin
holy crap. are you serious? you know what, the vg is still a stupid idea. If you were going to do anything with your car besides park it, and had any sense of cost effectiveness, you would realize that vg is stupid in s chassis. it's hard enough to work on in the z32 engine bay, and now you want to put it in the smaller s chassis? sure the upfront costs are lower, but you ever think about wiring and the motor mounts you'll have to fabricate? Or when you upgrade the motor, you'll have to buy two of everything? two manifolds, two turbos...etc... oh but that doesn't matter because you don't want to be on the "sr bandwagon" right?

if there's any kind of bandwagon, it's the anti-SR bangwagon. give it a rest. seriously though, everything else aside...building a car to be different is the way of the hard parker.....and so what if i have a skylark....as if your car really is going to define who you are. but hey maybe it does, if putting a vg in a s chassis is idiotic........

grow up, jerk.

oh yeah, and go ahead and look up more stuff and my profile to poke fun at! my your a clever one.