Psa: do not buy from tomei usa or any of their distributors

[turboshoebox]

This may not not to news to everyone but this is news to me.


Sad to see tomei usa did this to one of my fav brands.


So tomei usa was contracted to sell and make parts for the us market. Any part number you see that starts with a t was made by tomei usa.


Tomei japan found out that the parts were being made sub par and cut all ties with tomei usa. Now they are separate entities.

So if you want the real deal order from rhdjapan or nengun. The Japanese part numbers are just numbers. No t.

Example:
Sr20 oil pan


11111R520 vs TB205A-NS08A

Corect me if I'm wrong on any of this.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwInrMCFgVB/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1xs9bdj1ybafd

[MrMigs]

Have the new "Tomei USA" 258 pooncams. Let's see what happens :ddog:

[jedi03]

wow...may explain why when i inquired to my tuner about a tomei block he steered me clear of it saying there were more failures from them compared to a lot of the other brands on the market...

[snorkelcoupe]

I’m guessing this is why Tomei USA and Japan have different logos now..

[brndck]

all of the tomei KA stuff (turbo manifold, cams, etc) are all Tomei USA product.
Tomei JP kinda let em have that in the divorce.

just be aware that if you want Tomei JP, you need to order from an authorized Tomei JP vendor, many current shops who carry Tomei aren't even aware of this split, since Tomei USA USED to be the distribution network for Tomei JP, and they aren't doing much to advertise the split.

[turboshoebox]

wow...may explain why when i inquired to my tuner about a tomei block he steered me clear of it saying there were more failures from them compared to a lot of the other brands on the market...

I assumed the crate motors were built in japan unless tomei usa took over for us market with their 2nd rate internals and built it themselves.

[brndck]

I assumed the crate motors were built in japan unless tomei usa took over for us market with their 2nd rate internals and built it themselves.

tomei japan is still the ones building crate motors.

personally I have not heard of any failures from their crate motors, but anytime someone says "my friend heard of _____" its a red flag to me, not actual first hand information. If anyone PERSONALLY had a tomei crate motor fail on them due to mechanical issue, i'd be interested to hear it.

tomei USA website shows all the photos and information of engines being build by "Tomei Powered" which is tomei Japan

http://www.tomeiusa.com/?p=6048#more-6048
it even links to tomei japan website
http://www.tomei-p.co.jp/_2003web-catalogue/fr_set-from_top-menu/efr_index-com-eng.html

[Hoffman5982]

Wait, so Tomei Japan, the brand that everyone recognizes as being a high quality product, has been selling us parts that are made by someone completely different and now that that factory has been caught cutting corners they are just going to cut ties and tell those of us who bought their product that we are SOL? Am I understanding this correctly?

[turboshoebox]

Tomei usa not japan.. I don't think it was the factory cutting corners but tomei usa putting in the order for cutting corning to maximize profit. From my understanding they were still using the same factories but lower grade finished product

[brndck]

Tomei usa not japan.. I don't think it was the factory cutting corners but tomei usa putting in the order for cutting corning to maximize profit. From my understanding they were still using the same factories but lower grade finished product

Tomei japan authorized Tomei usa to sell authentic tomei japan product in the united states.

tomei USA went behind tomei Japan and had a DIFFERENT factory manufacture Tomei products, and sell them as Tomei product in USA (also branded RSE/ Real Speed Engineering)

Tomei japan discovers this, after customer complaints about quality, cuts ties with Tomei USA, but since the people who run Tomei USA own the licensing for the Tomei NAME, in USA, tomei japan has to come out and publicly say "hey tomei USA product is NOT made by Tomei JAPAN"

got it?

[Kingtal0n]

Ouch
lmao just make sure whenever you buy any JDM performance parts that they are at least 12 years old.

Actually, stretch that rule to almost everything, mass consumption/consumer products produced by large corporation manufacturing seems to be poisoning all our products and water/food.
Makes me wonder how much of it might be on purpose, doesn't greed do that? We all breath the same air, so our problems... are everybody's

Unless you live in a sealed facility with its own water purification and environment for growing food &c. Hmmm

[brndck]

Ouch
lmao just make sure whenever you buy any JDM performance parts that they are at least 12 years old.

there are still plenty of sources for authentic Tomei Japan product *CoughBLUEMOONcough*

so far I haven't heard of anyone having issue with any of the Tomei USA ka-t products like the cast manifold, or cams, just people who ordered oil pans, and the flange is warped and needs to be milled flat.

[turboshoebox]

Americans always have to ruin everything when they get their hands on it. Cars, companies, movies,music, drifting Etc

[turboshoebox]

Tomei usa likes to make posts about fake tomei parts when they were the fakers the whole time

[Coupes_FTW]

sweet. bought some poncams a while ago, just checked the part numbers and they are jdm tyte

[turboshoebox]

T now stands for terrible

[brndck]

Americans always have to ruin everything when they get their hands on it. Cars, companies, movies,music, drifting Etc

Lol dude you have no idea what you’re talking about. Who are the Americans in this scenario?

[afishysilvia]

Lol dude you have no idea what you’re talking about. Who are the Americans in this scenario?

Where was this expected to go, started out with a cause and found a way to fuck this thread like he always does.

[turboshoebox]

Lol dude you have no idea what you’re talking about. Who are the Americans in this scenario?

Tomei USA....

[brndck]

Tomei USA....

Did you miss the entire part where “tomei USA” is dudes FROM tomei, who WERE the US distributor, but registered the Tomei name IN THEIR PERSONAL NAME, and now are a separate entity? I’m not sure where you thought Americans were responsible for any of this.

Lack of accurate information. Ugh.

[SteffbuiltNOLA]

Tomei USA....

Where are you from dude?

On track, my friend just had his tomei head gasket fail but that could always be do to user error though he’s just gunna blame the part regardless lol?

[R3b]

Genuine question but what is the difference between this whole thing vs where we got most of our other performance parts. Pretty well know companies all hit up the same manufactures aka china all get the same work done in bulk then just brand and distribute the products.

I forgot where I read or saw but doesn't Manley and eagle share the same manufacture for rods? Its just one has better QC on what is getting released.

Tomei has always been the best of the best but for arguments sake if Tomei USA is just rebranding or choosing other manufactures wouldnt they just use the same sources as other companies? Rods be the same as manley/eagle, headgasket the same as cometic, turbo same as precision being literal garret Chinese clones but have there own billet wheels and so on? Besides really niche stuff like baffled oil pans, fpr, turbo manifold and TI exhaust literally there whole catalog you can easily find a USDM equivalant or clone.

I think we are giving way too much credit for the japan wow factor of parts when they're just as on par and smart as Americans with cutting parts, logistics and getting stuff manufactured.
OG companies from 20 years ago are modernized and far different to what they once were and monopolized in the performance market.

Until I see some major info released about difference in QC Im sure Tomei USA will put out the same sort of products what us americans are already expected to get and Tomei JP is doing the understandable thing and "cover your ass". Im all for authentic and good parts but this is the same thing as whole bride jp/ canada thing.

[SteffbuiltNOLA]

Genuine question but what is the difference between this whole thing vs where we got most of our other performance parts. Pretty well know companies all hit up the same manufactures aka china all get the same work done in bulk then just brand and distribute the products.

I forgot where I read or saw but doesn't Manley and eagle share the same manufacture for rods? Its just one has better QC on what is getting released.

Tomei has always been the best of the best but for arguments sake if Tomei USA is just rebranding or choosing other manufactures wouldnt they just use the same sources as other companies? Rods be the same as manley/eagle, headgasket the same as cometic, turbo same as precision being literal garret Chinese clones but have there own billet wheels and so on? Besides really niche stuff like baffled oil pans, fpr, turbo manifold and TI exhaust literally there whole catalog you can easily find a USDM equivalant or clone.

I think we are giving way too much credit for the japan wow factor of parts when they're just as on par and smart as Americans with cutting parts, logistics and getting stuff manufactured.
OG companies from 20 years ago are modernized and far different to what they once were and monopolized in the performance market.

Until I see some major info released about difference in QC Im sure Tomei USA will put out the same sort of products what us americans are already expected to get and Tomei JP is doing the understandable thing and "cover your ass". Im all for authentic and good parts but this is the same thing as whole bride jp/ canada thing.
I can agree to an extent. When it comes to forged components it’s probably the same thing as ar15 forged upper and lower recievers. Mostly come from the same forgers but the differences in brands is the machining of the blanks. Forging isn’t cheap and there’s only so many forges out there with companies that have a rep to uphold. Cast parts I’d say is a different story bc it’s easy to cast and cost little start up cost therefore you would have more variatability. Seats I’d say is another one that could yield serious results. Metal frames are dependent on the quality of metal and frp/cf is not only dependent on the initial material quality but also how it’s layered and directionally layer out which will determine the strength of the product. I can buy an authentic bride and make a mold of the shell and make my own shit but I can guarantee if I do no further research and just layed our fiberglass in one direction that mine will shatter from being too thin and under reinforced in certain key areas. I like building my own stuff but I’m not about to hammer forge rods and pistons in my backyard nor am I gunna make a rep seat that’s an exact copy without knowing where and how key areas and reinforced.

[dizzariot]

I think we are giving way too much credit for the japan wow factor of parts when they're just as on par and smart as Americans with cutting parts, logistics and getting stuff manufactured.

100%. Feal is on the top of turboshoebox's shitlist but if he's just now learning about Tomei I bet 95% of the parts on his car are labeled as Japanese but made in Taiwan. As long as it all works, has good QC, manufacturer has good customer support, who gives a fuck.

I love how we'd all kind of forgotten (maybe even got past) the turboshoebox thing...then this happens lol.

[JDMJNKY]

This is sad news, knowing all my recent goods are marked TB. :(

As long as it all works, has good QC, manufacturer has good customer support, who gives a fuck.
.

true, I've had success w/ written off companies.

[SteffbuiltNOLA]

100%. Feal is on the top of turboshoebox's shitlist but if he's just now learning about Tomei I bet 95% of the parts on his car are labeled as Japanese but made in Taiwan. As long as it all works, has good QC, manufacturer has good customer support, who gives a fuck.

I love how we'd all kind of forgotten (maybe even got past) the turboshoebox thing...then this happens lol.
Agreed and Lulz

[ixfxi]

i dont see what the big deal is...

after all, we're all big, dumb, loud americans who dont care where our products come from. as long as they're made by slaves we're happy. this way, we can drink beer, belch, and drift our cars into walls like gorillas.

besides, i thought tomei was made in the same factory as isis. i have isis arms on my race house and its still standing, i drift it every day

[brndck]

This is sad news, knowing all my recent goods are marked TB. :(
true, I've had success w/ written off companies.

I think the real issue at hand is, customers purchased from Tomei Usa thinking/being told they were getting authentic tomei japan product. Its a bait and switch.

Tomei usa HAS had qc issues, like the flanges on their oil pans being warped and needing to be decked or else they'll leak.

[derass]

OP's instagram link is dead, so here's a press release from Tomei Powered Inc.

http://www.tomei-p.co.jp/tomei-brand/

Tomei Powered Inc. vs. Tomei Powered USA Inc.

[foreverdeath]

Have the new "Tomei USA" 258 pooncams. Let's see what happens :ddog:Hope yours is good. I put a set of poncams in my buddy s13 SR20DET last year. The pin wasnt fully pressed into the exhaust cam tore up the end of the cam shaft, spun the cam gear and bent all the exhaust valves.

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[RB25GUY]

I think the real issue at hand is, customers purchased from Tomei Usa thinking/being told they were getting authentic tomei japan product. Its a bait and switch.

Tomei usa HAS had qc issues, like the flanges on their oil pans being warped and needing to be decked or else they'll leak.

Correct this started back when the cams were breaking and a few were set back to TOMEI POWERED JAPAN and they issued that those werent the same parts that were being sent to the usa distributor. that just started the snowball of effect of what was from japan and what was not. i believe its deemed that anything with T in the model number is USA parts made by who knows.

[brndck]

Correct this started back when the cams were breaking and a few were set back to TOMEI POWERED JAPAN and they issued that those werent the same parts that were being sent to the usa distributor. that just started the snowball of effect of what was from japan and what was not. i believe its deemed that anything with T in the model number is USA parts made by who knows.

accurate. KA-t cams were having issues breaking, so they got sent back to tomei japan, tomei japan was like WTF is this??? We didn't make THIS. Then it was discovered that Tomei USA was having different manufacturers produce goods. When I was at Tomei JP last January, they had the original Tomei JP ka-t cams, and showed us the difference between those and the Tomei USA ka-t cams.

[loser101]

Any one have any feedback on their KA turbo manifold?

[foreverdeath]

I buddy of mine installed the entire KA-T turbo tomei has. He said it fit perfect to his pbm oval exhaust and down pipe. And the instructions are dead simple AMD easy to follow.

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[illvialuver]

The KA manifold is super solid. I really can’t publicly say anything that is negative. But the changing of the logo is accurate . If you are looking for the japan parts, Tomei Japan is private labeling parts for Bluemoon Performance, Inc. This whole situation is unfortunate . Divorces always get ugly when money is involved. Be safe out there.

[mav1178]

turboshoebox = Tk rocket.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134044

FYI.

[turboshoebox]

I'm glad you guys understand. some people have this misconception the US market stuff comes from the same country and Factory and it's the same quality which is not the case at all

[brndck]

I'm glad you guys understand. some people have this misconception the US market stuff comes from the same country and Factory and it's the same quality which is not the case at all

AAAAAAAAAGAIN you’re way the fuck off the mark.

There are plenty of US brands who use the exact same factories and quality levels as “Jdm” brands.

It’s totally irrelevant to this scenario as well. The scenario here is Tomei USA basically pulled a bait and switch on their customers.

Doesn’t change the fact that cheap Japanese shit is cheap Japanese shit. Good American shit is good American shit. And vice versa.

[turboshoebox]

Who is even talking about us or Japanese brands in general scope here?

We been talking about tomei this entire time pal. I don't know where you got this turn into a JDM vs usdm brands debate.

Let's get back to the scope of discussion where you even said yourself the US market tomei stuff was not the same as the japan market tomei stuff.

Being u do seem well versed in this situation ...do u know when this started happening? I know tomei usa has been around since at least 2006 or 07. If it was longer its news to me.


I purchased all my tomei stuff via Sam at jspec around 2005. Durring that time he was getting from Japan direct

[brndck]

I'm glad you guys understand. some people have this misconception the US market stuff comes from the same country and Factory and it's the same quality which is not the case at all
this post, that YOU made, is "who is even talking about US or Japanese brands in general scope here"
Who is even talking about us or Japanese brands in general scope here?
We been talking about tomei this entire time pal. I don't know where you got this turn into a JDM vs usdm brands debate.
Let's get back to the scope of discussion where you even said yourself the US market tomei stuff was not the same as the japan market tomei stuff.
Being u do seem well versed in this situation ...do u know when this started happening? I know tomei usa has been around since at least 2006 or 07. If it was longer its news to me.
I purchased all my tomei stuff via Sam at jspec around 2005. Durring that time he was getting from Japan direct

Tomei USA has only been around for a few years, before, they were Tomei JP employees acting as representatives/sales people, servicing US vendors, like Frsport. At some point (i'm ballparking within the last 3-5yrs) the split happened, Tomei USA was started, and they started supplying "Tomei" parts that did not come through Tomei Japan.

I feel like this is the 4th of 5th time I've typed this...…

if you bought tomei through sam in 2005, I don't think you have anything to worry about. Tomei usa didn't exist in 2005.

[mav1178]

some of the Tomei info in this thread is correct, some of it is not.

just look at it this way: corporations have shareholders, some companies protected themselves by assigning 100% ownership to another legal entity/individual in Japan, while others rely on a trusted individual to set up a company here (but did not retain any shares back in Japan or other overseas country/territory)

At the end of the day, buying from Japan does not mean it is made in Japan to begin with, it just means you make the overseas transaction from JPY to USD. If you have parts built in China or Taiwan, it may be the exact same item from the exact same factory but those countries prefer to sell/export in USD, so there's no fluctuation of exchange rates and your pricing is more stable.

Things like recession make buying in USD better, as your cost/price structure is intact and less fluid. HKS left the US market in 2008 primarily because the yen made their cost skyrocket by 50%... now they're back but they got smarter. They don't have any US warehouse/distribution structure (instead shipping directly to Turn 14 or Motovicity), and they decided to make their exhausts outside of Japan (in Thailand).

Greddy does the exact same thing, except most of it is produced in Taiwan and shipped to the US directly. Their most expensive exhausts (~$2000 MSRP) are still made in Japan.

[ixfxi]

damn alex, you still exist? haha

[RB25GUY]

some of the Tomei info in this thread is correct, some of it is not.


At the end of the day, buying from Japan does not mean it is made in Japan to begin with



So what i was told that tomei powered japan has most of there stuff casted in taiwan and they shipped and are machined or refined at the japanese location.

[mav1178]

So what i was told that tomei powered japan has most of there stuff casted in taiwan and they shipped and are machined or refined at the japanese location.

the only thing that Tomei can make in-house at their factory in Japan is camshafts and crankshafts.

even the cores need to be supplied from somewhere else... everything else they "make" is made somewhere else by some supplier.

a lot of people think these Japanese tuners are large factories that can make a lot of goods, once you work in a company with actual production or manufacturing in-house then you'll quickly realize it's impossible for them to do what they do and offer it at those price points.

anyone doing anything related to import of any product, will know that at some point you will play the exchange rate game. it's just how business flows, you end up going with cheaper suppliers or control/fix your cost from current suppliers. this whole Japan vs USA Tomei game is just more visible than what other companies have done in the past.

[R3b]

it's just how business flows, you end up going with cheaper suppliers or control/fix your cost from current suppliers. this whole Japan vs USA Tomei game is just more visible than what other companies have done in the past.

This was my whole point on my post




I think we are giving way too much credit for the japan wow factor of parts when they're just as on par and smart as Americans with cutting parts, logistics and getting stuff manufactured.
OG companies from 20 years ago are modernized and far different to what they once were and monopolized in the performance market.

[ixfxi]

you guys just dont get it, yo.

i want my car parts to say MADE IN JAPAN. this way, my parts cast evil spells on people who try to steal them.

you guys are all amateur. when i race, its always a tape death match. gutter drifts and all that shit.

[brndck]

you guys just dont get it, yo.

i want my car parts to say MADE IN JAPAN. this way, my parts cast evil spells on people who try to steal them.

you guys are all amateur. when i race, its always a tape death match. gutter drifts and all that shit.

This thread isn’t about lighting, why are you here?

[ixfxi]

This thread isn’t about lighting, why are you here?

dunno. im trying to sell all my tomei parts after reading this thread tho

i mean, this is a big deal guys.

[MADE]

Where is the references this doesn't sound right.

[brndck]

Where is the references this doesn't sound right.

Literally from page 1 of this thread
https://zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=6339628&postcount=29

[Ichi-Go]

accurate. KA-t cams were having issues breaking, so they got sent back to tomei japan, tomei japan was like WTF is this??? We didn't make THIS. Then it was discovered that Tomei USA was having different manufacturers produce goods. When I was at Tomei JP last January, they had the original Tomei JP ka-t cams, and showed us the difference between those and the Tomei USA ka-t cams.


Do Tomei USA KA24DE camshafts still break?

[brndck]

Do Tomei USA KA24DE camshafts still break?

I’d perform a runout inspection on ANY cams purchased from Tomei USA. A local shop just had a brand new set of VQ cams being installed in a z33 and one of the cams snapped. They were following the FSM procedure and everything.

[lewisfk]

I read through the thread and I'm very disappointed with Tomei USA, but this what you get from greedy ass people who care only of profit.(quantity over quality) Why haven't FrSport, Enjuku, or any of the big suppliers acknowledged this and mad efforts to ensure the customers they are getting genuine Tomei parts? As of to day; here is a link to Tomei USA distributors.

http://www.tomeiusa.com/dealers2.html#usa

[LoSt180]

Damn, and I just finished installing a Tomei headgasket as well as a set of Poncams.

[mav1178]

I read through the thread and I'm very disappointed with Tomei USA, but this what you get from greedy ass people who care only of profit.(quantity over quality) Why haven't FrSport, Enjuku, or any of the big suppliers acknowledged this and mad efforts to ensure the customers they are getting genuine Tomei parts? As of to day; here is a link to Tomei USA distributors.

http://www.tomeiusa.com/dealers2.html#usa

Why?

Because they have zero control over this nor do they have any financial interest to care. Because none of this is really an issue, because US consumers don't change their buying habits.

We can spend all day talking about why but people here just see a brand that is marketed. Do people really think exhausts or gaskets from Japan are as cheap as they are?

In all honesty if Tomei USA only bought from Japan, they would've closed up shop 10 years ago.

[jumpman2334]

I really can’t publicly say anything that is negative.

or else what? tomei USA is going to come to your door and demand you edit your tomei USA posts on zilvia??

tomei USA, fight me.

[spooled240]

So on a scale from Godspeed to ARC where does TomeiUSA stand? Are they like a premium Megan?


I’d perform a runout inspection on ANY cams purchased from Tomei USA. A local shop just had a brand new set of VQ cams being installed in a z33 and one of the cams snapped. They were following the FSM procedure and everything.



I'm not sure how the VQ's are, but the Tomei cam installation procedure for the KA is different from the FSM.

[brndck]

Why?

Because they have zero control over this nor do they have any financial interest to care. Because none of this is really an issue, because US consumers don't change their buying habits.

We can spend all day talking about why but people here just see a brand that is marketed. Do people really think exhausts or gaskets from Japan are as cheap as they are?

In all honesty if Tomei USA only bought from Japan, they would've closed up shop 10 years ago.

Wtf are you talking about??? Tomei USA has only been in existence a few years. Before that, they were literally outside sales people for Tomei Japan. Tomei USA absolutely has control of where they source goods from, and they decided on their own, to have an outside factory start making “tomei” products, and selling them to the American market.

ONCE AGAIN SINCE NO ONE CAN READ.

THIS ISNT A JAPAN VS USA ARGUMENT.

THIS IS A TOMEI USA SOLD PRODUCT TO CUSTOMERS WHO THOUGHT THEY WERE GETTING AUTHENTIC TOMEI JAPAN PRODUCTS, BUT WERE INFACT GETTING UNAUTHORIZED PRODUCT NOT MADE BY TOMEI JAPAN.

[feito]

the only thing that Tomei can make in-house at their factory in Japan is camshafts and crankshafts.

even the cores need to be supplied from somewhere else... everything else they "make" is made somewhere else by some supplier.

a lot of people think these Japanese tuners are large factories that can make a lot of goods, once you work in a company with actual production or manufacturing in-house then you'll quickly realize it's impossible for them to do what they do and offer it at those price points.

anyone doing anything related to import of any product, will know that at some point you will play the exchange rate game. it's just how business flows, you end up going with cheaper suppliers or control/fix your cost from current suppliers. this whole Japan vs USA Tomei game is just more visible than what other companies have done in the past.
just like brand name tools...

[brndck]

just like brand name tools...

Not really. It would be more like if your local snap on guy, who sells authentic snap on tools, Decided to have a separate factory start making “snap on” tools, and selling them AS authentic snap on tools, at full price.

[lewisfk]

Why?

Because they have zero control over this nor do they have any financial interest to care. Because none of this is really an issue, because US consumers don't change their buying habits.

We can spend all day talking about why but people here just see a brand that is marketed. Do people really think exhausts or gaskets from Japan are as cheap as they are?

In all honesty if Tomei USA only bought from Japan, they would've closed up shop 10 years ago.

Who gives a shit about Tomei USA, I was wondering what Enjuku, FRSPORTS, etc are going to do with their current stock of defective parts. Many companies would still sell them as original Tomei parts to make a profit, while others would ship back for a refund. Some companies would slap a lawsuit on there asses. Just my opinions tho!

[spooled240]

Who gives a shit about Tomei USA, I was wondering what Enjuku, FRSPORTS, etc are going to do with their current stock of defective parts. Many companies would still sell them as original Tomei parts to make a profit, while others would ship back for a refund. Some companies would slap a lawsuit on there asses. Just my opinions tho!



Unless those items were sold under the name or affiliation with TomeiJapan, that would be a tough case. We all just assumed they were (still) of the same entity and I'm pretty sure TomeiUSA knew that which is why we never saw a huge PSA announcing this. They knew it was going to do nothing but negatively impacting their business.

[brndck]

Who gives a shit about Tomei USA, I was wondering what Enjuku, FRSPORTS, etc are going to do with their current stock of defective parts. Many companies would still sell them as original Tomei parts to make a profit, while others would ship back for a refund. Some companies would slap a lawsuit on there asses. Just my opinions tho!

Might wanna ask THEM. Especially if you’re a customer who bought through them and had a cam break or an oil pan that leaks.

Not holding my breath for FRSport to do anything useful, but Enjuku will probably still be in business next year so THEY might give a shit.

[mav1178]

Wtf are you talking about??? Tomei USA has only been in existence a few years. Before that, they were literally outside sales people for Tomei Japan. Tomei USA absolutely has control of where they source goods from, and they decided on their own, to have an outside factory start making “tomei” products, and selling them to the American market.

ONCE AGAIN SINCE NO ONE CAN READ.

THIS ISNT A JAPAN VS USA ARGUMENT.

THIS IS A TOMEI USA SOLD PRODUCT TO CUSTOMERS WHO THOUGHT THEY WERE GETTING AUTHENTIC TOMEI JAPAN PRODUCTS, BUT WERE INFACT GETTING UNAUTHORIZED PRODUCT NOT MADE BY TOMEI JAPAN.

Wow, I really think you need to re-read what I wrote.

When I said “they” I mean all the dealers. The only entity that cares is Tomei USA, and they turned their autonomy into “sourcing our own products and selling under the same brand name”

Your post illustrates my point and the fundamental problem: where are the goods imported from? People got so stuck on a brand that they didn’t even realize the logo changed long before they swapped out part numbers.

“Tomei” is just a name of a highway between Tokyo and Nagoya, and Tomei Powered Inc screwed themselves by not properly protecting their IP and brand. Tomei USA as a company has never changed hands since the mid-2000s (look it up, it’s on the California Corporation search website), it’s the owners of the US operation that changed how they sourced products.

The true unknown is whether Japan granted US full authority to source their own parts with royalty or profit sharing to Japan. All this reminds me of the split between Phase2Motortrend and Circuit Sports, they both carry the same parts now sourced from the same suppliers under two different brands. Tomei does the same thing except the split is across an ocean.

I know the players. I know who supplies them. I know the suppliers are told they are supplying two locations of the same company. I know a lot more about this than I wish to know, and I ultimately know that for dealers in the US, all they see is a brand, certain sales and profit margin per year, and that’s all they care. By taking the moral high ground and yanking a brand, it could be worth upwards of $1,000,000 a year of sales at 30+% margin for the top dealers in the US. I’m sure that’s an easy business decision to make.

Anyhow, don’t be blinded by a brand, that’s all I will end with. That’s what consumers are hung up on.

[tricky_ab]

So what i was told that tomei powered japan has most of there stuff casted in taiwan and they shipped and are machined or refined at the japanese location.

Having been to their facility a few times, they do a lot in house. They even do certain Nismo cams there as well. Exhausts are done in Taiwan... after they figure out fittings in Japan, the exhausts are them sent to the manufacturer.

[RB25GUY]

Having been to their facility a few times, they do a lot in house. They even do certain Nismo cams there as well. Exhausts are done in Taiwan... after they figure out fittings in Japan, the exhausts are them sent to the manufacturer.

yeah i figured as much!

[Dcocci]

At this point, if you cant comprehend that they were basically selling knock off shit to customers expecting the real deal, then its a lost cause. The main question here moving forward is wtf happens if you order a part a receive a “T” part? Can you return it for an authentic part? Can you flat out refuse it?

[SupaDoopa]

Appreciate the heads up but do you think Enjuku or FRSport or anyone gives a shit what we say/think on a forum that's been dying in popularity for years? Other people will still buy their shit and will continue to keep them in business because they don't know any better and companies will stock and sell it because the money is there. It's fine and dandy a forum is standing up against it but unfortunately, the name they've attached to their business is a powerhouse and an asset to their success. Until something public comes out to where Tomei JP puts them on blast, expect little to no decrease in their numbers.

[brndck]

Until something public comes out to where Tomei JP puts them on blast, expect little to no decrease in their numbers.

literally that's what tomei JP did.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwInrMCFgVB/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1xs9bdj1ybafd

[SupaDoopa]

literally that's what tomei JP did.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwInrMCFgVB/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1xs9bdj1ybafd

Well touche. I didn't see it as it was recently and I don't venture on social media as I once did. Good for them for calling out those who are trying to benefit from lower standards and higher pricing.

However, the previous statement still exists. Most people don't give a shit but at least it's being recognized. The 'real' distributors would make the conscious effort to change their brands list and separate the two so buyers know what they're getting and where they're coming from.

[brndck]

However, the previous statement still exists. Most people don't give a shit but at least it's being recognized. The 'real' distributors would make the conscious effort to change their brands list and separate the two so buyers know what they're getting and where they're coming from.

that's half the issue

Tomei JP cannot sell product in the US under the Tomei name, or Tomei USA will sue them for it, since Tomei USA has ownership of the name in this market.

I'm not sure if Tomei USA is still responsible for acting as a distributor for Tomei JP parts, as WELL as Tomei USA parts.

[SupaDoopa]

I wonder if they can just us a separate entity or line. For example "X PARTS LINE" by Tomei or leave the 'by Tomei' part out and just let it run as a separate company but nudge to the public world it's still their product.

That's saying that it's even financially worth their while. I'd love to see what the income from US customers is versus the rest of the world.

[brndck]

I wonder if they can just us a separate entity or line. For example "X PARTS LINE" by Tomei or leave the 'by Tomei' part out and just let it run as a separate company but nudge to the public world it's still their product.

That's saying that it's even financially worth their while. I'd love to see what the income from US customers is versus the rest of the world.

NUDGE NUDGE
if you want an authentic tomei JP oilpan, you SHOULD purchase a Bluemoon oilpan
http://bluemoonperformance.com/brands/

[TheRealSy90]

Hmm didn't see anywhere on the site to buy any products :/

[brndck]

Hmm didn't see anywhere on the site to buy any products :/

Shoot them a email or give Robb a phone call

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwvBwKvlp4M/?igshid=1urynhyupzxdw

[MrMigs]

http://www.dreamersoul.tv/wp-content/gallery/dynoday/dyno.jpg

This was before / after (just cam change). I think they're a Tomei USA original item, but so far so good.

S14 SR with T2871R, high flow cat + chambered muffler, 17.5psi boost, stock intake and exhaust manifolds.

Previously tuned with everything else the same, minus the Tomei USA 258 ponscams.

[SupaDoopa]

*So far, so good.

[Ryan_H]

Hi all

Sorry to bump this but I wanted to pipe up. I recently bought the 258 Deg Poncams here in Europe thinking I was buying an authentic Tomei JP product. Much to my disappointment, and by chance, I discovered this is not the case.

I’ve been trying to figure these out for a few days and I have tracked the Tomei USA cams back to being the same as items offered from Real Speed Engineering.

I know nothing of Real Speed Engineering either, so now I’m just trying to find out if they make their own parts.

What’s worse is that my box clearly shows the Tomei Japan part number as well as the USA T number, in a manner that suggest they are a replacement when in fact they’re a deviation.

https://i.ibb.co/3SsdXD2/F0-BEB2-C1-8-CAE-4-F9-A-8-D9-D-B4-DA2-E5-A8809.jpg (https://ibb.co/3SsdXD2)

I feel mislead. I have no intention of running these cams in my SR now, despite the fact they are probably fine. It’s a shitty, deceptive (IMO) marketing practice that meant I haven’t bought what I expected to buy.

Now I just need to find out more about Real Speed Engineering.

[mav1178]

Now I just need to find out more about Real Speed Engineering.

Real Speed Engineering, in a nutshell, is basically the Japan arm of Tomei USA. It's not as simple of an explanation but that's the easiest way to summarize it.

Most of these parts are not made in Japan.

Even a lot of Tomei Japan's parts are not made in Japan.

The only thing I personally don't know is whether the cores for camshafts are from the same OE factory supplier for Nissan, or OE replacement suppliers. Typically this is a minor point but everyone on the internet likes to pick apart everything, so any "failure" by a cheaper brand ends up being magnified.

[Ryan_H]

Thanks for that information above. That’s sealed the deal for me then, they’re going back. I know Tomei JPN make their cams and that’s what I wanted, that legacy and that quality.

These cams I have may be fine, my issue is the disingenuous business practice that I won’t support.

Appreciate the clarification!

[mav1178]

Thanks for that information above. That?s sealed the deal for me then, they?re going back. I know Tomei JPN make their cams and that?s what I wanted, that legacy and that quality.


Tomei Japan only machines the cams/cranks in house (and build engines), everything else is outsourced. Cams are ground from blanks supplied from elsewhere, so the cams are only as good as their supplier, which is a big unknown.

their facility in Machida City is not big enough to do anything else.

[Ryan_H]

Maybe that’s the case but I would still trust Tomei JP’s quality processes based on reputation over a complete unknown.

Plus like I said, it’s a shitty practice.

[Future240]

This is why Zilvia is great. I had no idea about the split. Enjunku lists Tomei USA oil pan part number. No way am I trusting such an important part to what essentially is a knock off.

[mav1178]

Maybe that?s the case but I would still trust Tomei JP?s quality processes based on reputation over a complete unknown.

Plus like I said, it?s a shitty practice.

This is why Zilvia is great. I had no idea about the split. Enjunku lists Tomei USA oil pan part number. No way am I trusting such an important part to what essentially is a knock off.

And that's also the point I have been trying to make... people are so blind to the brand (Tomei Japan) and overlook the fact that most of the parts are from the same factory in Taiwan or China but shipped to a different part of the world.

The reason for this is because when you buy from Taiwan, they invoice in USD which is a stable price cost. When you buy from China, they invoice in RMB but the exchange rate is somewhat stable due to policies by the Chinese government.

When you buy from Japan, they sell in JPY which is very much one of the major currencies that fluctuates based on market conditions. Anywhere from 1USD to 80~120JPY has been seen in the last 10 years.

I only know of two factories (out of 4 or 5) that supply both Tomei Japan and Tomei USA. Both of these factories are in Taiwan, and both of these factories make very high quality part. But if you only think about the split and not who makes the actual product, then you're kind of missing the point...

All of Tomei's head gaskets are made in Taiwan by a company who has been making OE replacement gasket for 30+ years. All of Tomei's exhaust manifolds are made in Taiwan by a factory who ONLY does high quality welding, the piping is sourced elsewhere. I can go in to these two factories tomorrow and buy the same product without a brand name for cheap, but selling them is a different story since everyone wants a brand and not an actual product.

Hint: if you look up Tomei UEL exhaust manifolds for the FA20 (BRZ) and look up who is the closest manifold on the market for about $200 cheaper, you'll quickly find that they come from the same factory I am talking about. Same with head gaskets, there's a brand out there that looks like a copy of Tomei... when in reality they are the original.

[Ryan_H]

I appreciate what you’re saying, I really do, but I’m not missing the point at all.

Because I bought camshafts. None of those parts you’ve listed.

I trust their internal quality processes for the blanks if that’s the case. And I trust that they have the pride and aptitude to machine parts in house.

What I do not trust is a company that deliberated disguises the fact it isn’t affiliated with that brand at all yet trades off the multi-decade brand name with undeclared parts. And that’s what I will not support.

[Ryan_H]

This is why Zilvia is great. I had no idea about the split. Enjunku lists Tomei USA oil pan part number. No way am I trusting such an important part to what essentially is a knock off.
FRSport appear to almost exclusively list T-USA part numbers too.

[Future240]

And that's also the point I have been trying to make... people are so blind to the brand (Tomei Japan) and overlook the fact that most of the parts are from the same factory in Taiwan or China but shipped to a different part of the world.

The reason for this is because when you buy from Taiwan, they invoice in USD which is a stable price cost. When you buy from China, they invoice in RMB but the exchange rate is somewhat stable due to policies by the Chinese government.

When you buy from Japan, they sell in JPY which is very much one of the major currencies that fluctuates based on market conditions. Anywhere from 1USD to 80~120JPY has been seen in the last 10 years.

I only know of two factories (out of 4 or 5) that supply both Tomei Japan and Tomei USA. Both of these factories are in Taiwan, and both of these factories make very high quality part. But if you only think about the split and not who makes the actual product, then you're kind of missing the point...

All of Tomei's head gaskets are made in Taiwan by a company who has been making OE replacement gasket for 30+ years. All of Tomei's exhaust manifolds are made in Taiwan by a factory who ONLY does high quality welding, the piping is sourced elsewhere. I can go in to these two factories tomorrow and buy the same product without a brand name for cheap, but selling them is a different story since everyone wants a brand and not an actual product.

Hint: if you look up Tomei UEL exhaust manifolds for the FA20 (BRZ) and look up who is the closest manifold on the market for about $200 cheaper, you'll quickly find that they come from the same factory I am talking about. Same with head gaskets, there's a brand out there that looks like a copy of Tomei... when in reality they are the original.

Alright here is my and likely other people's point.

I am going to use Walmart for example.

It is a proven fact and common knowledge Walmart gets tv's made with lower quality components to meet their prices. Those tv's are made in the same factory as the other tv's however, they are given different part numbers to show they are in fact not the same product.

Tomei JP made its name for being a quality parts supplier for JDM cars. Tomei usa sold those parts under the USA name. When the split happened, Tomei usa continues to use Tomei JP's brand name without the backing of a long history of quality. We do not know if Tomei USA QA is the same as Tomei JP. We do not know If Tomei USA uses the same materials as Tomei JP.

Tomei usa is basically using the legendary name of Tomei JP to peddle their parts which may or may not be the same quality as Tomei JP.

The worst part is Tomei usa didn't say a word about it. This suggests they are trying to hide the split which would be a shady tactic.

It's one thing if we know it is a blatant knock off that mostly works and may have a small fitment issue the user has to resolve (see isr) however again to represent yourself as something you are not is a shady business practice and one that I choose not to support.

[e30gangsta]

mx8270 owner here. It's the newer style one with the billet wheel, and upgraded wg housing. The kit came with everything I needed and made solid hp with reasonable amounts of lag. I would buy the kit again if I had to for the $.

[TheRealSy90]

Even if Tomei JP and Tomei USA cams come from the same blank supplier, i'd rather have the cams that were final machined by Tomei JP.

[mav1178]

I am going to use Walmart for example.

It is a proven fact and common knowledge Walmart gets tv's made with lower quality components to meet their prices. Those tv's are made in the same factory as the other tv's however, they are given different part numbers to show they are in fact not the same product.

... but that's only one part of the story.

electronics manufacturing has anywhere from 10 to 20+ vendors for the average television or computer, and the prices for some parts vary wildly from the vendor based on the quantity you buy.

most of the tech and consumer goods industry is based off actual inventory cost and sales projections for a time period. after the inventory is flagged as aging, sometimes manufacturers take it back and/or rebrand to sell elsewhere.

Costco is the best example. Most brands sell at Costco not because they want to shaft the consumer, they sell at Costco because this allows them to achieve the volume needed on the manufacturing/purchasing side to meet cost targets, whether it be running the factory production line to be efficient enough, or buying enough components from vendors to reduce the cost.

So using Walmart isn't a good example, because the motivation for selling products at a large volume for cheaper is to reduce cost of production and materials, not outright sourcing from different vendors.

I'm not defending Tomei USA here.. I'm just asking people to ignore the Tomei brand (as a whole) because most of the successful Japanese brands have long outsourced their manufacturing years ago, whether it be to 3rd party vendors or outsourced to cheap labor countries where they have factories.

Greddy exhausts are mostly made in Taiwan (by Remark). HKS are mostly made in Thailand at their subsidiary factory. Blitz has components made overseas and they do a semi-final assembly at their warehouse in Nagoya. It's been this way for a long time, you and I are just too focused on the brand to notice the changes made long ago.

If we want to have a discussion about shady business practices, we can all go to a bar, have drinks, and have discussions about other, bigger brands with way worse business practices than Tomei. Tomei's dirt only is in public because they were stupid enough to change part numbers and Tomei Japan filed a lawsuit in Japan against the Tomei US "office" in Japan.

[Future240]

If we want to have a discussion about shady business practices, we can all go to a bar, have drinks, and have discussions about other, bigger brands with way worse business practices than Tomei. Tomei's dirt only is in public because they were stupid enough to change part numbers and Tomei Japan filed a lawsuit in Japan against the Tomei US "office" in Japan.

It's a date if you are ever in ATL haha.

I see your example and I will concede that point on volume. I would still beg to question the QA though. Even if HKS, greddy, Tomei jp etc have out source to taiwan etc. There quality has not changed just their manufacturing costs.

Can we say the same about Tomei USA?

[mav1178]

It's a date if you are ever in ATL haha.

I see your example and I will concede that point on volume. I would still beg to question the QA though. Even if HKS, greddy, Tomei jp etc have out source to taiwan etc. There quality has not changed just their manufacturing costs.

Can we say the same about Tomei USA?

I can almost say the same... only because we are equating unknown vendors/suppliers with poor(er) quality.

There's honestly not enough data out there to prove one way or another. Additionally, the part number shift was not done because they wanted to tell everyone the suppliers changed, it was done because they were fighting Japan and wanted to shift products away from what Japan was doing so there was no IP infringement in case they lost a lawsuit.

In any case, when I was at FR I had some high level discussion with Tomei Japan about possibly selling Tomei Japan directly into the US, since they basically were contingency planning. I wasn't around long enough to see this project through, but it was a lot of waiting around.

The amount of politics and behind the back practices in this industry is even crazier than OE corporate politics, but all the consumer sees is the brand. It's why groups like Backshelf on Facebook thrive, because people get glossy-eyed over an old logo and pay absurd amounts of money for it.

[TheRealSy90]

Man there's a big difference between sourcing finished camshafts from Taiwan vs. sourcing the blank cast sticks and doing final machining in house. Which Tomei does.
Also, i've seen a lot of people with broken TomeiUSA cams the last couples years. I'd put money on them not being the same exact blanks that go to Tomei Japan.

[Ryan_H]

Man there's a big difference between sourcing finished camshafts from Taiwan vs. sourcing the blank cast sticks and doing final machining in house. Which Tomei does.This is exactly my point.

I trust Tomei Japan based on their track record of quality and very low, if any, failures. Which means I trust them to have the right quality processes in place for their blanks and I trust their machining.

What I don't trust, is a company that is effectively masquerading as another because of the kudos of the trading name. I don't need anything more than that to make my decision, I don't need any further facts. It's dishonest.

[Dboyizmlg]

Wow... I have a story to tell about tomei USA..

[collegekid]

Wow... I have a story to tell about tomei USA..


Tell it.


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[DJDANGER24]

Wow... I have a story to tell about tomei USA..

Dont leave us hanging.....

[Ryan_H]

Wow... I have a story to tell about tomei USA..I’d also really like to hear this.

[turboshoebox]

still waiting

[Future240]

Right. And he was online last night. Smh

[DJDANGER24]

Got my popcorn ready.....

[LoSt180]

I installed the 258 Poncams almost two years ago, haven't blown up yet. Didn't know this was even an issue when I bought them.

[Future240]

I installed the 258 Poncams almost two years ago, haven't blown up yet. Didn't know this was even an issue when I bought them.

2 years ago it wasn't. this is more recent.

[mav1178]

2 years ago it wasn't. this is more recent.

Actually the issue has been around longer, people just didn?t notice anything until Tomei USA started to change part numbers because of a pending lawsuit in Japan.

[Dboyizmlg]

It’s not that wild of a story to be honest.

I purchased a fuel pressure regulator from them with their gauge also.
Well within a couple hours the rubber boot on the gauge cane loose and fell off and leaked most of the liquid out... very disappointing.

Keep in mind I had a Tomei JAPAN regulator and gauge on my old s13 Sr20 which is still running perfectly till this day! On E85 fuel

So I called TOMEI USA, and spoke with the main guy there.
I told him the issue and he agreed to replace The gauge. He said go ahead and email me with the receipt. I told him I would be willing to drive out 35 minutes to his office to get it.
I get no response email at all complete silence.

During our conversation I told him I was using e
e85 fuel (tuned on that)
He mentioned that his parts are not compatible on E85, I then told him that I have my old s13 is running on that for 6 years on the Tomei parts with NO issues!

He kinda stumbled and again mentioned that his parts are not for use on E85.
I didn’t know at the time that there was a big difference with Tomei Japan and USA (now I know lol)

So I’m thinking that Tomei USA builds cheap parts!

[Ryan_H]

Well, it's not a super drama but it's a point of concern. Much appreciate you sharing your experience.

[SilviaSativa]

Glad I ordered all my Tomei parts for my SR build several years ago, that I only just now got around to installing. The turbo's exhaust seal was leaking oil BAD upon install. I'm curious now and want to check part numbers!