50mm rear overfenders..how wide can i go with rims

[SpoolinRB]

Looking to put some M-sport rear over fenders on the 240 (13 HATCH) but i want some WORK vs-xx in black.. car is being painted Bmw Carbon Black so it will match up nice.. with the 50mm in the back what size can i go.. Never really dealt with offsets and how much lower i can go with 50mm more in the back..
Opinions will be appreciated!
Thanks
Joe Meaut

[SpoolinRB]

Can i just do 30mm rear over fenders with a 10.5 wheels at 0 offset in the back? instead of 50mm?
thanks
joe

[wootwoot]

just a thought, but you could probably go 50mm more. i think you could squeeze an 10.5 back there

[SpoolinRB]

I've searched but not many people have done this setup so I don't really know what to do about the wheels..
so help a newbie out!
thanks
Joe Meaut

[MakotoS13]

effin sigh/

http://www.rsracing.com/tech-wheel.html

wider fenders allow you to put more wheel to the outside of the car.

think about it.

[SpoolinRB]

Okay so what do i gotta do to fit 10.5 or 11" in the rear.
Over fenders.. pulled fenders..rolled.. and what offset to pull off these sizes?
Please don't flame that much!
thanks
joe meaut

[AceInHole]

anyone know the fender differences between S13 and S14?? a 315 tire on a 10.5" wide +24mm offset wheel needed around 30mm on my S14. A stretched tire (say, 275 to 305) should fit that perfectly. Assuming the S14 has around 20mm more fender clearance than the S13 (i don't think it's THAT much though) the 50mm over fenders should be perfect.

[SpoolinRB]

perfect for what size then.. with the 50mm?
thanks
joe

[bnaley]

I just got my Volk mercury silver CE28N rims which are 17x9 and 17x10 with a offset of +15 all around. I'm going to be using wide masa conversion fenders for my S15 conversion and 50mm M-Sport rear fenders. I'll take pics of it as soon as I get my body parts on.

[-E-]

anyone know the fender differences between S13 and S14?? a 315 tire on a 10.5" wide +24mm offset wheel needed around 30mm on my S14. A stretched tire (say, 275 to 305) should fit that perfectly. Assuming the S14 has around 20mm more fender clearance than the S13 (i don't think it's THAT much though) the 50mm over fenders should be perfect.
Hey Ace do you have any pics?

[SpoolinRB]

So ace can i do the 50mm fenders and put 10.5 with 0offset of what offset can i go with?
thanks
joe

[axiomatik]

Did you even look at makoto's link? If you would just read it, you would figure out exactly how to determine whether or not those wheels will work. And if you actually learn the process, you can figure out alternatives yourself, instead of every time asking, what about 11"? or 10"? what about +15? what about -20? what about 30mm fenders? stop trying to get other people to figure it out for you and learn yourself. Go out to your car and take some measurements. what are the specs of the wheels you have now? measure how much clearance you have to the fender on the outside and the shock on the inside. sit down and do the calculations, it's simple arithmetic, not differential calculus.

[BuudWeizErr]

I just got my Volk mercury silver CE28N rims which are 17x9 and 17x10 with a offset of +15 all around. I'm going to be using wide masa conversion fenders for my S15 conversion and 50mm M-Sport rear fenders. I'll take pics of it as soon as I get my body parts on.


get spacers or it's major sunken battleship.

[red240]

I have 30mm rear with 18x11" wheels and 285's 2.3 neg camber looks good!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/AzNMR2Freaky/PICT0350.jpg
Jerry

[SpoolinRB]

what offset you running Red

[tougefactory]

50mm fenders 18x11 -15 to +5 depending on your tire size and camber.
50mm fenders 18x10.5 -25 to -5 depending on your tire size and camber.

You can go lower if your willing to stretch tires, run more camber, etc.

[SW20Racer]

when i put widebody fenders on my first mr2 i just bought the wheels first then made the fenders work for my offsets. easiest way i found to do it. you could always just buy some crazy negative offset wheels and go bosozoku style.

[FRpilot]

how bout for the front. will 17x10 +11 Volk GT-Ns fit +20mm fronts?

[E&ERacing]

We did a set of Coupe 50mm's on a HB, so it gave it almost an extra 25mm, wide as hell. He bought some Work Equip wheels for it, not sure of the spacing on them, but they are 16x8's and 6x9's. Once we put them on, I'll snap some pics and get the spacing. http://www.e-emotorsports.com/johnrb240.php

E

[mike13]

24x24 -50 offset

tite.

[SpoolinRB]

How about 18x11 with 0- offset with 285's
with around -2 camber

[red240]

How about 18x11 with 0- offset with 285's
with around -2 camber

here is another shot of the rear with the +19mm offset
bad pics but you get the idea

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/AzNMR2Freaky/PICT0356.jpg

Jerry

[tougefactory]

how bout for the front. will 17x10 +11 Volk GT-Ns fit +20mm fronts?

17x10 +11 will fit the fender with stretched tire but it won't clear coilovers and it'll be really close to everything inside the wheel well and full lock.

18x11 +0 285 will fit 50mm fender, might need more than 2deg camber or just shave some off the lip inside the fender little.

[FRpilot]

17x10 +11 will fit the fender with stretched tire but it won't clear coilovers and it'll be really close to everything inside the wheel well and full lock.


hopefully i can still turn? so there goes my plans for 17x10 +11. so theres no chance of 17x10 +12 FNo1rcs fitting the front either than... haha.

[rancid240]

I always had a question pertaining to this. Do coilovers have less clearance then springs and struts? How much less?

[BobbyBoy]

I am running a 50mm chargespeed rear fender. I have 18x9.5 +27 in the rear with a 25mm spacer, so it equates to a +2. You should be able to fit a 10.5 no problem with a different offset, shit maybe even 12 or 13 :)

[SpoolinRB]

shit coudl i pull off 12's.... i really want some fat rubber though.. car is being RB30ed :)

[red240]

hopefully i can still turn? so there goes my plans for 17x10 +11. so theres no chance of 17x10 +12 FNo1rcs fitting the front either than... haha.

I have 17x9 +18s in front, no rubbing but I,m running 245's on them.
Wish I would have went with 235's instead for some stretch :wtc:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v316/AzNMR2Freaky/PICT0354.jpg

jerry

[nigel1]

shit coudl i pull off 12's.... i really want some fat rubber though.. car is being RB30ed :)


damn dude are you going to be in some magazines? because thats a the type of dish you serve a fruit salad at a wedding in...

[SpoolinRB]

This 240sx is my 2nd car.. First car I had was BMW .. what can I say it's a bmw.. very nice car.. always treated me we'll until the f8cking transmission computer started not working so now I must sell her..
I just want a bada$$ car it's not going to be drifted much and barely ran at the track.. it's going to be my hey look what i got kindof car. :)
Rb30 is still in the thinking process.. looking at a 12k project for everthing.. polished out, oil catch box etc.. custom intercooler.. hopefully 550whp..
this car is going to my project/hobby/fun car :)
This project no doubt will take a long time.. i'm looking at right under a year for everything to Engine (rb30) and exterior, seats.. all the goodies
hopefully with 11's or 12's in the back i can pull off 4 1/2 or 5 inch lip :)
we'll see
Car for sure is going to be on WORK VS-XX in super gloss black.. car is being painted the Bmw M3 color Carbon Black so in light it will have a blueish tint.
Magazines? that would be nice but time will tell what happens
i'll be sure to send pic's of the engine process when it starts!
thanks
joe

[GT-RPS13]

lets say you get 50mm rears the widest i would go is a 10.5 with a 0 offset (roughly 5 inch lip) prolly wanna go with a 265-275 tires. i have seen a 11" with a +13 on a widebody S13 silvia but the tires were harsh streched and neg. camber. OR OR OR add another 50mm on your wide fenders and get 13's with a rediclious 6" dish!!!!!! yeesh.. could u imagine a half a foot dish. it would ruin a trend

[SR240DET]

This 240sx is my 2nd car.. First car I had was BMW .. what can I say it's a bmw.. very nice car.. always treated me we'll until the f8cking transmission computer started not working so now I must sell her..



are you for real?!? why couldnt you buy another transmission computer? what kinda bmw was it?

[SpoolinRB]

it's 525i.. E34

[z0iid]

in my opinion, wait actually in my experience - bigger wheels aren't better.

I had 275/40/18's on 9.5" wide wheels. Falken rubber. Pretty good grip, but heavy.

Now I am running 225/50/16's on 7" wide wheels. bald Dunlop rubber. No power steering. Handles WAY better.

Also keep in mind that even with the wheels I had on previous (smaller than the ones you are talking about)(on s13 w/sr) would rub on big bumps even with the fenders rolled...(clearance with the coilovers was ok - TeinFlex)...the offset was like +30. So if you want to run wheels that are say +10 offset and 315 tires...you are still gonna rub.

Lets say you DON'T rub. The car ends up looking like a damn SUV unless you hollow out the wheel wells and shoving the wheels under.

Do what you want.

Everyone told me not to do the bigger wheels. I had to learn on my own.

[FRpilot]

lets say you get 50mm rears the widest i would go is a 10.5 with a 0 offset (roughly 5 inch lip) prolly wanna go with a 265-275 tires. i have seen a 11" with a +13 on a widebody S13 silvia but the tires were harsh streched and neg. camber. OR OR OR add another 50mm on your wide fenders and get 13's with a rediclious 6" dish!!!!!! yeesh.. could u imagine a half a foot dish. it would ruin a trend

your car is hot. what offest are your GT-Ns? 17x7jj +..

[GT-RPS13]

your car is hot. what offest are your GT-Ns? 17x7jj +..

17x7.5J +44 w/ 30mm spacers. 205/40/17 front and 215/40/17 rear. they were only temp till i found sumething in the proper size. I converted to 5 lug and i was in a rush for rims and I for these dirt cheap... so it'll have to do till i Get new rims i wanna get the same GT-N's or maybe CE28N 18x8 front and 18x9 rears + 22 all around with 235/40 (front) and 255/40 (rear) might have to roll a fender a little but thats no biggie and drop it about an inch. but at least ill have some decent dish & grip happenin

[FRpilot]

whoa. jus read your entire site. those gt-ns are still nice. do you know if the gt-n face gets sunken more with lower offset or if the face is the same and the area where the face gets bolted on is jus deeper in the wheel? i have 17x9 +22 GT-Ns right now, but im greedy and want wider and lower. 17x10 +11, but seems like no way ill be able to fit those on the front.

[HATchTRICK]

im building my s14 with 50mm front kouki conversion, and 70mm rear overfenders. Going with 18/19x10 front -5 and 18/19x11 rear -2.......thats big enough lip and wide enough for grip.

[GT-RPS13]

whoa. jus read your entire site. those gt-ns are still nice. do you know if the gt-n face gets sunken more with lower offset or if the face is the same and the area where the face gets bolted on is jus deeper in the wheel?

yeah if u get a lower offset you will get a bigger dish on the GT-Ns they're a 2 piece. any of the GT series volk rims can have a good dish with the proper offset unlike the TE37 ect.


i have 17x9 +22 GT-Ns right now, but im greedy and want wider and lower. 17x10 +11, but seems like no way ill be able to fit those on the front.

WTH?!?! if you HAVE 17x9 +22 GT-N's then you should know the answer to your question :rofl: and there's no way you can fit a 17x10 +11 on there without getting wide quarter panels or fender flares. that sticks out 24mm wider then what u got now. even with 9's you have to roll the fenders

im building my s14 with 50mm front kouki conversion, and 70mm rear overfenders. Going with 18/19x10 front -5 and 18/19x11 rear -2.......thats big enough lip and wide enough for grip.

:eek2:

[nightwalker]

50mm rear fenders are nice and all, but every single car I've seen with them on always look weird. The whole look of the car is thrown off, not to mention the anemic front wheels when compared to what you have to run with 50mm flares. If someone made a big fat front fender set to match the rear 50mm fenders, then that would rock!

[AutoRnD]

ok right now stock fender 275 35 18
s13
with a 18x9.5 +38...and i still have room to spare.

[weirdstyles.net]

Did you even look at makoto's link? If you would just read it, you would figure out exactly how to determine whether or not those wheels will work. And if you actually learn the process, you can figure out alternatives yourself, instead of every time asking, what about 11"? or 10"? what about +15? what about -20? what about 30mm fenders? stop trying to get other people to figure it out for you and learn yourself. Go out to your car and take some measurements. what are the specs of the wheels you have now? measure how much clearance you have to the fender on the outside and the shock on the inside. sit down and do the calculations, it's simple arithmetic, not differential calculus.

Im not here to start a war? But where the fuck do you get off?

These wheel questions have been here for years, and its not as incredibly simple as you point it out to be. Evidently RB hasnt been playin with wheel and tire combo's for the last four years so he isnt too educated. This a community and a resource for people and their questions. When in doubt, listen to common sence, "If you dont have anything good to say, stfu"

65 postin ass motherfucker wanna start shit in this house...

[FRpilot]

yeah if u get a lower offset you will get a bigger dish on the GT-Ns they're a 2 piece. any of the GT series volk rims can have a good dish with the proper offset unlike the TE37 ect.




WTH?!?! if you HAVE 17x9 +22 GT-N's then you should know the answer to your question :rofl: and there's no way you can fit a 17x10 +11 on there without getting wide quarter panels or fender flares. that sticks out 24mm wider then what u got now. even with 9's you have to roll the fenders



:eek2:

so the face is the same no matter what width/offset you get...?

i have 17x9 +22 but they're not mounted and i dont have the 5lug hubs installed yet. so im just getting ideas. i wont have to roll my fenders since i have wide front/rear fenders. 20mm/50mm.

[old_s13]

Im not here to start a war? But where the fuck do you get off?

These wheel questions have been here for years, and its not as incredibly simple as you point it out to be. Evidently RB hasnt been playin with wheel and tire combo's for the last four years so he isnt too educated. This a community and a resource for people and their questions. When in doubt, listen to common sence, "If you dont have anything good to say, stfu"

65 postin ass motherfucker wanna start shit in this house...

i dunno about that weirdstyles, while i'm all down for talking shit (and you cracked me up with the words you chose) i still think he's right, if you wanna figure this shit out.. DO IT YOUR FUCKING SELF. figuring out offsets and such isnt a hard task, you fuckin measure the shit. i'm going through it, everyone else should too..

i mean, sure its cool.. ask away on a forum, but then again.. dont complain if people hand out the wrong advice and fuck you over. for me, i'll take my chances trying to figure out things on my own before i ask for help on here. being involved in the lighting business, you'de be surprised how fucked up the advice given on most forums are when it comes to lights. makes me wonder how PROPER the advice people give when it comes to other topics. thats why i chose to deal with pros in the industry, not online-know-it-alls.

anyway, best of luck to all of us i guess...

[GT-RPS13]

so the face is the same no matter what width/offset you get...?

i have 17x9 +22 but they're not mounted and i dont have the 5lug hubs installed yet. so im just getting ideas. i wont have to roll my fenders since i have wide front/rear fenders. 20mm/50mm.

i dont know how i didnt make myself clear earlier. the lower you offset the more the face sinks in and the more dish you will have... on most rims anyways. and if you have 17x9 +22 gt-n then that already has a secent dish. but since you have 20mm/50mm fenders i would use the 9's for the front but for the rear i would get a 10.5 with a 0 offset. if you read through this whole whole post all the answeres are there

[red240]

Look at my post [some pics of my ride] that is 30mm F/R with 17x9 18x11 +18F +19 R
Thats a starting point
Jerry

[weirdstyles.net]

i dunno about that weirdstyles, while i'm all down for talking shit (and you cracked me up with the words you chose) i still think he's right, if you wanna figure this shit out.. DO IT YOUR FUCKING SELF. figuring out offsets and such isnt a hard task, you fuckin measure the shit. i'm going through it, everyone else should too..

i mean, sure its cool.. ask away on a forum, but then again.. dont complain if people hand out the wrong advice and fuck you over. for me, i'll take my chances trying to figure out things on my own before i ask for help on here. being involved in the lighting business, you'de be surprised how fucked up the advice given on most forums are when it comes to lights. makes me wonder how PROPER the advice people give when it comes to other topics. thats why i chose to deal with pros in the industry, not online-know-it-alls.

anyway, best of luck to all of us i guess...

Agreed with in many way, you're right. But if you look through my post youll find alot of questions to ask. Alot of this is backed by uncertainty and an uncanny fear of breaking your baby... Some people have that do-it your damn self attitude, it took me on Zilvia for, what like two years, to gain that attitude... I take offence to some shit like this because its Zilvia.net and its members vast resource and knowledge that has taught me alot of what I know now, and not nessecarily just about the s-chassis. know what I mean...

as for offset's, I understand offsets and how to measure wheels and tires, christ I better I sell more tires at work than anyone on the East Coast (insert horn blowing here), but sometimes I still have questions about offsets and tire combos. Sayin +XX should work is great, but johnQpublic saying, I have +XX and they fit great here are some pics, is a much more appealing answer and more comforting to the masses.

I think we migh have to start getting a photo library and specs of different tire/wheel combos to aleviate this situation in the future. I can build it with PHP, Ill pass it by Mark in the AM...

[axiomatik]

Im not here to start a war? But where the fuck do you get off?

Excuse me if I am trying to promote a little bit of self-reliance. Makoto posted an excellent link on how to take measurements to determine a good baseline estimate for width and offset. But RB's subsequent posts suggested that he hadn't even bothered to read it. What happens when you ask about width/offset questions? You're going to get 50 different responses, none of them the same. Then how is he supposed to decide what to go with? What if he decides to go with a different fender? Then he has to go through the whole thing again. Besides, Work VS-XX rims are not an insubstantial investment. Do you really want to trust your investment to a bunch of people who may have different ideas on fitment and then be pissed off because you spent assloads of money on wheels that don't fit the way you want them to?

There are literally hundreds of photos of wheel fitments and and their specs on zilvia. I've also seen dozens of cars with fender flares and wheel specs in the last couple of months. It would be different if he had come back and said, "I read Makoto's link, took some measurements, and I think I can go with xxxxxx, but I want to double-check with you guys."

"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for life."

Makoto tried to teach him how to fish, and it looked like he ignored it. And I apologize for not having as many posts as you, I know that automatically makes me worthless on zilvia. Congratulations on having so many posts.

[davegfeller]

hello can some one help me out im a lil stuck on spacer size i have a s13 coupe with 45mm front fenders with a 18x9 + 15 rim w/ 245/40/18 tire and 50mm rear fenders with a 18x9 +15 rim w/ 275/35/18 tire what size spaces will i need to make them flush please help me out with any info you have

[archonftw]

^Dave, go home you're drunk.

Seriously when was the last post on this thread before yours. FUCKING 8 YEARS AGO. Are you really that dull?

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/392494-wheel-fitment-question-thread.html

[cone killer]

Iam running 17x9.5 +0 offset 215/45/17 .....0 camber 50mm and it looks pretty flush but good enough for it not to rub

[ILoveJDM]

Iam running 17x9.5 +0 offset 215/45/17 .....0 camber 50mm and it looks pretty flush but good enough for it not to rub

you clearly have no idea what pretty flush means.

[fliprayzin240sx]

hello can some one help me out im a lil stuck on spacer size i have a s13 coupe with 45mm front fenders with a 18x9 + 15 rim w/ 245/40/18 tire and 50mm rear fenders with a 18x9 +15 rim w/ 275/35/18 tire what size spaces will i need to make them flush please help me out with any info you have

How about you put the fenders on, then put the wheels on, then use of these to measure the distanc you have from the wheel to the fenders?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Stanley_PowerLock_tape_measure.jpg

Not exactly rocket science...