Are there any purist Left on this Board? V. jdm parts etc.

[turboshoebox]

So while I know now a days it's pretty popular for many to purchase what ever is the best bang for the buck no matter where it came from but any purists left on this board?

While I may not be a fan of mishimoto radiators, Seibon hoods, xxr wheels, ISR, fortune auto coils, Grip Royal, etc people get them due to still getting the job done.

I do love seeing a jdm full jdm parts/styling car. :naughty:

https://intensifyboredom.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/final-bout-animal-style-c2a9-andor-2.jpg

[feito]

While Im not by any means a purist, I do appreciate the practice. Like I've said lots of times before, Im sick of seeing ls's in every damn popular jdm chassis out there.
Altought, imho, being a purist doesn't mean your car's gotta look like a clown car like the one posted. I mean, the wheels aren;t even matching, and idgaf what brand and how rare they are. And is that a "hoonigan" sticker? jajajaja NO....

[simmode1]

You have an interesting definition of "purist", turboshoebox... When I think "purist", I think OEM+ or basically restomod.
I think you're looking for circa 2002 drift style, which ain't a bad thing. That's what Final Bout was all about.

[sidewaysil80]

I'm with simmode1. I think you're into the late 90's/early 2000's scene in Japan. If thats what you are referencing, I too am a fan. I just started a build and am going for that look. However, after pissing away countless dollars over the years on track cars and a feature car and essentially "growing up" with kids/family, I now prioritize my disposable income a little better.


I literally just ordered OEM nissan internals/Tomei engine components for a long block rebuild. Hell, I spent 3x more refurbishing a OEM 5 lug setup than what an aftermarket one would have cost. If the part isn't critical and simplistic in function/design, I don't mind priortizing spending and going with cheaper alternatives.

[tuzzio]

Not really what i'd call a "purist". I like the IDEA of that kind've shit, but im not dropping 2K on 326 power coilovers when fortune autos are stout and can be serviced here in the states. Not spending crazy money on ikeya formula suspension arms either when plenty of other brands work and perform the same job.

Just my personal opinion. Ball out on rare parts that are cool, not extra money for the same function unless safety/strength is being compromised.

[CamryOnBronze]

I think there are more people left on Zilvia that have a "purist/2001" mindset than younger folks following the current trends. There are not many consistent users left, but I think most of the ones that remain are people that have been around these cars for years and have a similar mindset to what you are describing.

[Sailor]

Like some of the other guys, I too was thinking a different definition of purest- more so the OEM guys with the super clean and original cars. Shoutout because those are by far my favorite restoration projects/builds on this forum

[TheRealSy90]

I'll just say my GPSports G-Master coilovers ride better than my Fortune Auto's did, and they were cheaper.

[CrimsonRockett]

Not really what i'd call a "purist". I like the IDEA of that kind've shit, but im not dropping 2K on 326 power coilovers when fortune autos are stout and can be serviced here in the states. Not spending crazy money on ikeya formula suspension arms either when plenty of other brands work and perform the same job.

Just my personal opinion. Ball out on rare parts that are cool, not extra money for the same function unless safety/strength is being compromised.

Definitely agree with you on Fortune Auto and adjustable arms. I'm running two sets (510 series and Dreadnought) and have had zero issues with them. Running Ikeya Formula on the S15 simply because it already had them. Otherwise, I would be running SPL.

I think there are more people left on Zilvia that have a "purist/2001" mindset than younger folks following the current trends. There are not many consistent users left, but I think most of the ones that remain are people that have been around these cars for years and have a similar mindset to what you are describing.

Pretty much. I don't feel like a purist by any means, I'm just stuck with the OE styling on these cars. I do admire a lot of the aftermarket aero out there, but considering my current lifestyle (60% work, 35% family, 5% cars), I just wanted my street cars to look classy and grab the right attention.

I can admit to almost having bailed on my projects due to priorities, but now I'm really glad I stuck it through.

[brndck]

I mean, the wheels aren;t even matching, and idgaf what brand and how rare they are. And is that a "hoonigan" sticker? jajajaja NO....

1. its literally a drift car, at a drift event. mismatching spares are an extremely common practice

2. Hert drives with animal style. why would a hoonigan sticker surprise you?

3. please stop before you hurt yourself

[FaLKoN240]

1. its literally a drift car, at a drift event. mismatching spares are an extremely common practice

2. Hert drives with animal style. why would a hoonigan sticker surprise you?

3. please stop before you hurt yourself

This guy is pretty self-righteous and thinks he's the only opinion when it comes to cars. I don't bother informing or disagreeing with him anymore.

[simmode1]

That's Hert's car? I thought he drove that LS FC3S... I can't keep up with all these guys...lol

[tacotacotaco]

I would consider im still in the purist mode. Working in the industry does change the way I look at products since I have better insight. I choose parts depending on what performs the best. My car does rock c-west aero, craft square mirrors, bn sport hood, endless brake pads and zeal function x coils.

[turboshoebox]

I would consider im still in the purist mode. Working in the industry does change the way I look at products since I have better insight. I choose parts depending on what performs the best. My car does rock c-west aero, craft square mirrors, bn sport hood, endless brake pads and zeal function x coils.

Right on dude

[LockOn!]

I don't even think you can define "purist" anymore.

Look closely to videos coming out of japan now a days, they run cheap parts all the time too. Knock off wheels, crappy steering wheels and interior parts, generic suspension arms galore.

I think a lot of us see Japan and the "purist" mentality through rose colored glasses.

In reality, as long as the cars are true to style, I don't think anyone really cares anymore. Just keep it lowish, painted one color, and cohesive in the chosen style and it should always look good. Of course I respect people out there still doing it by the book with all legit everything, but when I see kids running US market or replica parts, I really can't be mad as long as it looks like it was put together with care.

As for my own car, I follow the 00' styling, but my parts are about 50/50 replica versus real. Basically if its key to safe and reliable operation like a radiator, clutch, diff or turbo, real parts only. But for things like aero, intercooler piping, exhausts and the like, I really couldn't care less.

[brndck]

That's Hert's car? I thought he drove that LS FC3S... I can't keep up with all these guys...lol

this was Julian Jacob's car. It has since been replaced with a s13 silvia.
Hert does have the FC3S, it was LQ powered, and now has gone back to rotary.

[simmode1]

this was Julian Jacob's car. It has since been replaced with a s13 silvia.
Hert does have the FC3S, it was LQ powered, and now has gone back to rotary.

Ahhh... I was so confused... lol thanks
I would consider im still in the purist mode. Working in the industry does change the way I look at products since I have better insight. I choose parts depending on what performs the best. My car does rock c-west aero, craft square mirrors, bn sport hood, endless brake pads and zeal function x coils.
This thread needs more pics. Be the hero we need, but don't deserve.

[dorkidori_s13]

i like seeing that there is interest still in old aero parts and livery and that its making a return to our scene again after years and years of it being considered outmoded with the wave of rocket bunny and RB inspired aero and stylings.

i have nothing against running smaller american brands of suspension parts and coilovers simply because my preference is to work with small businesses being that i am one myself... small business is what started a lot of the this old school stuff in the first place. most of the older aero and suspension brands from Japan are still small business based to this day. its just nice to see that focusing on a smaller product line and keeping it worthwhile in terms of production and quality control is a business model that functions the world over instead of minimizing production costs over product quality when a brand decides to go much larger. most of the higher tier JDM brands scaled back to this business model after the recession in 2008 (Greddy, HKS and Apexi cut a TON of parts from their product lines to focus back on their core items once the economy tanked world wide)

[tricky_ab]

Era specific styling is alive and well. There's still people out there spending money on authentic Japanese parts as well.

For me, I have nothing against spending money on QUALITY parts, and not cheap Ebay junk. The S Chassis aftermarket is huge, and there's plenty of parts available from different markets outside of Japan.

[da_crew10]

I am 4 lug but I run 5 lug spacer adapters. I can teach you to be the purist purist there is. Pm me.

[turboshoebox]

Doesn't have to have all the stickers of course but a car that's built for example with a real vertex ridge kit. Dg5 coils, ikeya formula arms, orc clutch etc

[tricky_ab]

I am 4 lug but I run 5 lug spacer adapters. I can teach you to be the purist purist there is. Pm me.

https://media.giphy.com/media/lmAJnsyLW2G8U/giphy.gif

[feito]

Oh no, that's hert's car??? lol...
The truth is, you all know that might as well be a street car the way things are today. Sorry for insulting your close friend's car, brndck...
I guess like somebody else said, it depends on your definition of "purist". Someone said keeping it 4 lug, which Im guessing means leaving it as stock as possible, which Im assuming would include a stock ka. To many others it could mean using only jdm brands and jdm engines (including jdm brand stickers, ughhh...).

[brndck]

Oh no, that's hert's car??? lol...
The truth is, you all know that might as well be a street car the way things are today. Sorry for insulting your close friend's car, brndck...
I guess like somebody else said, it depends on your definition of "purist". Someone said keeping it 4 lug, which Im guessing means leaving it as stock as possible, which Im assuming would include a stock ka. To many others it could mean using only jdm brands and jdm engines (including jdm brand stickers, ughhh...).

No, it was Julian's car. Hert still has his FC (and I believe he picked up an s13 as well).

I def think that unless you're restoring it to OEM condition, or just doing a cookie cutter type x build, it's pretty much impossible to be a 240/s-chassis "purist". The sector reinvents itself every few years, so what many people currently consider "purist" (aka 2000 style) is still 5-7 years late imo.

[dizzariot]

We live in an age of instant gratification.

When Black Friday goes throughout the weekend and Cyber Monday lasts damn near all week you have to wonder what's going on as a society. The need to have everything NOW is what makes these dumb fucking kids so quick to buy multiple sets of a replica parts vice one quality part. I think we've all been there but most of us moved on and our taste changed.

A lot of my friends give me shit for hunting (and spending money on) OEM cars. I'm willing to pay 'extra' for a car that hasn't been fucked with or fucked up. I guess, in that way, I'm a purist of sorts...but Damon put it best: it's an era most people commit to.

Like tacotacotaco said it all depends on the quality of the part. If something that isn't (INSERT BIG NAME COMPANY) works shittier than something from (INSERT SMALLER COMPANY) then anyone who gives a fuck about their car would use the latter. The people doing it for the 'gram or whatever would buy the name-brand. Does anyone realize a lot of JDM shit is outsourced nowadays? No. They'd rather drop a #JDM on IG.

Dorki's aero is another point: why in the fuck would anyone pay $800 for a God damn Type X lip when his shit fits well and is more durable?

The term purist has different degrees. Maybe some dudes are era purists to a fault while other guys are quality purists.

[dizzariot]

Here are three more reasons why. We'll start with the best let it get worse.

1.) $4500, Clean Title, AC, 90,XXX Miles, and the paint looks great. It's automatic and SOHC. If I was in the market, I'd go for this and figure out the motor and the transmission later. It's OBO so I'd negotiate and see how it goes. Spending a little more initially and having to wait to get the SR/manual trans is worth it...but it doesn't hit that 'instant gratification' box for most.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/d/1990-nissan-240sx/6412724485.html

2.) $9500, Clean Title, SE, 75,XXX Miles, pearl paint that looks awesome. DOHC but still auto. This is the mid-range seller: trying to make a buck but wants to seem reasonable. Price is still fucking nuts but if this car was EVERYTHING I wanted I could see myself trying to negotaite the price down to ~$7000...after I watched the dude get zero offers at $9500 for a month lol.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/d/1993-nissan-240sx-se/6409835503.html

3.) $12,995, Clean Title, SE, 83,XXX Miles, paint still looks good. Automatic...but it only has one owner. This represents the WORST of the bunch. $13k for this shit? Read the summary and you can see these guys are playing on your 'hard-to-find-in-good-shape' ideals.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/cto/d/1993-nissan-240sx-se/6409835503.html

Which one does the 'purist' go for? They're all OEM and look like some of the best cars on CL right now...but what is someone willing to pay, and how much work are they willing to put into the car? Most guys shit on the $4500 car because it's Auto/SOHC. No one wants to be bothered with swapping the transmission or sourcing an SR. The third car on the list is keeping it out of the hands of someone (maybe like me) that would pay great price for the car but definitely not what they hope to get. The second car is a manual transmission away from being a fun, awesome car...but the theme of this thread seems to be 'time' and no one is going to want to swap it. It's a shame.

[3NDLESS]

We live in an age of instant gratification.


Couldn't agree more; I see my friends and teenagers and their ignorant cars with cheap coilovers, "ebay" replica kits, even 100 dollar rims. Sure it pops out, sure they probably feel good about themselves knowing that people break their necks but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. From a truck running stock pipes with a clamp-on exhaust tip to a eg6 coupe with replica body aero and unaligned bodylines teenagers are so cheap nowadays...

I'm a teenager too but I stray away from the aforementioned, sure my s13 looks bone stock, because it is. I'm saving money to get parts that are worthwhile. Sure it might take me three years or so to source something or get enough money to buy a part, but as long as I'm not dishing out on some cheapo junk that'll degenerate itself within a day or two then I retain my self-respect for myself and my car. I try to convince my friends to do the same as I, but they just don't have that willpower to simply not take out their credit card.


I don't know how far the term purist expands but I want to [try to] be the "quality" purist kind of guy.

[Reece]

My past few S13s I've built were kind of all a mixture of high quality parts and low quality parts. My basic rule for myself is don't cheap out if it's a part that moves or a part you touch. Suspension, wheels, interior bits I have never cheaped out on, but I've definitely purchased my fair share of ebay exhaust and rads and aero and other miscellaneous shit. With my current car I'm forcing myself to not buy any cheap anything whatsoever, and I'll admit I'm being a massive fanboy but I'm trying to keep the non Japanese brands to a bare minimum. It's taking a hell of a lot more time and money to do it this way, but as of now, my car isn't even close to finished and I'm already so much happier with it than I ever have been with any other car I've owned.

But honestly the smart and efficient way is to just buy whatever is nice and available haha. I kind of think someone who uses all OEM parts is a purist, someone who uses only Japanese aftermarket parts is a purist, and someone who uses quality parts from any other place is a purist. As long as quality is shown I think they fall into the purist category, where the parts come from aren't as important.

[!Zar!]

Dorki's aero is another point: why in the fuck would anyone pay $800 for a God damn Type X lip when his shit fits well and is more durable?

This is why.
We live in an age of instant gratification.

[dizzariot]

This is why.

Are you saying $800 for the lip is warranted or are you making a funny?

[Malik]

I do believe in quality parts; and nice wheels especially.

[CamryOnBronze]

This thread is basically just turning into a collection of "everything the remaining members of Zilvia complain about" thread, lol.

Dorki's aero is another point: why in the fuck would anyone pay $800 for a God damn Type X lip when his shit fits well and is more durable?

I wish I wasn't wired the way I am, but I will never be able to do it. I can't run a replica part even if it is more affordable or assembled with more care than the original. I can't run a set of TEs that are not coated with the original finish from the Rays factory, even if it's generic white and they were originally white. I have no idea why I am the way I am, but stuff like this drives me absolutely bonkers. No disrespect at all to those that do it because I love to see people seek a quality build and do things right, but it's something I personally will never be able to overcome. It's not because I am an elitist, it's because there is something wrong with me, hahaha.

One thing I have always found interesting is how upset people get about what others do with their cars. I'm definitely guilty of feeling the same way from time to time, but I have seen dozens of people say they are selling their S13 because of "all the young kids in the community ruining them." Shouldn't that be more motivation to keep yours and provide a good example? I won't say that some things people do don't bother me, I guess I have just never been so vocal about it. If you truly enjoy building and tinkering with your car, why should what anyone else is doing matter?

I'm just an overly sappy and nostalgic guy I guess, but I love these cars. They've provided me so much enjoyment and introduced me to so many good people that I now call friends over the years that I can't be bothered with the opinions and actions of others.

At this point posts like this on Zilvia are merely preaching to the choir, but it's cool to see an in-depth discussion with decent traffic like this around here. I miss those days so much, haha. Zilvia is great.

[tuzzio]

My light up silvia quarter window louvers came in the mail yesterday.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/46457263/who-wants-to-touch-me-i-said-who-wants-to-fucking-touch-me.jpg

[DJTTon]

My light up silvia quarter window louvers came in the mail yesterday.



BRO I have never seen this lit up. Get this goin'!!:kiss:

[dorkidori_s13]

Are you saying $800 for the lip is warranted or are you making a funny?

!Zar! just doesnt like me... oh yeah and he also tried to neg repping me into oblivion because i told him to leave me the fuck alone in a different thread. so, his comment is meant in a negative light given most of his passive aggressive comments toward me (or anyone else hes trolling) are usually from a really shitty place... he just likes to harass people in a way that doesnt draw TOO much attention to himself from moderators and admins alike.


One thing I have always found interesting is how upset people get about what others do with their cars. I'm definitely guilty of feeling the same way from time to time, but I have seen dozens of people say they are selling their S13 because of "all the young kids in the community ruining them." Shouldn't that be more motivation to keep yours and provide a good example? I won't say that some things people do don't bother me, I guess I have just never been so vocal about it. If you truly enjoy building and tinkering with your car, why should what anyone else is doing matter?

Damon, older guys ditching their cars because what younger folks are doing to them i think simply boils down to association. i know i have a very VERY hard time interacting with a lot of the younger guys because of how horribly they treat one another (and everyone else for the most part). the 240sx scene has actually gotten a VERY negative view in most peoples eyes simply due to the level of disrespect that is constantly mouthed off with and the shitty attitudes a good amount of 240sx owners have. its quite sad.... but to some people, they dont want to be painted with the same brush so they move on in life. buuuuuuuuuuuuut then again, there are also others out there who ditch their cars because they realize these things are nothing but never ending god shaped money holes!

[Abeo]

Been around 240's for 15+ years, and the elitist "purists" are as insufferable as they were then. Seems like a label that they give themselves to shit all over everything they deem not acceptable.

I'll take an enthusiast over a purist. Note that this isn't about defending shitty parts. It's about shitty people.

[Sailor]

If I ever run out of salt in the kitchen....

[mechanicalmoron]

!Zar! just doesnt like me... oh yeah and he also tried to neg repping me into oblivion because i told him to leave me the fuck alone in a different thread. so, his comment is meant in a negative light given most of his passive aggressive comments toward me (or anyone else hes trolling) are usually from a really shitty place... he just likes to harass people in a way that doesnt draw TOO much attention to himself from moderators and admins alike.



Damon, older guys ditching their cars because what younger folks are doing to them i think simply boils down to association. i know i have a very VERY hard time interacting with a lot of the younger guys because of how horribly they treat one another (and everyone else for the most part). the 240sx scene has actually gotten a VERY negative view in most peoples eyes simply due to the level of disrespect that is constantly mouthed off with and the shitty attitudes a good amount of 240sx owners have. its quite sad.... but to some people, they dont want to be painted with the same brush so they move on in life. buuuuuuuuuuuuut then again, there are also others out there who ditch their cars because they realize these things are nothing but never ending god shaped money holes!

I think part of the reason people grow up and move on is that you're only allowed to build some kinds of cars certain ways - if you do it differently (and totally normally and acceptably and well in the rest of the automotive world) it's called out just like if you do it wrong.

This thread equates non japanese with junk, china with ls. What kind of mental illness is this, and how could one expect normal car guys (who may be into any number of things that go) to want to try to fit in and deal with that irrational judgement for doing it right?

Nothing pure about these cars, built globally to sell to the globe - there's quality and crap, but no pure.

Dorkidori and a lot more like him is what it'd take for the 240 to survive as more than a handful or orphaned cars.

[!Zar!]

Are you saying $800 for the lip is warranted or are you making a funny?
You said people are for instant gratification, then proceeded to hype a product which caters to that market. I was simply pointing out the irony in your statement.

The reason why people won't spend $800 for an authentic lip is the same reason why people won't spend money for other authentic parts.

Personally, I am not in that market. But at this day and age, I rather see a clean car built with cheap parts, than a clusterfuck of a car looking like it was drug from the junkyard.

!Zar! just doesnt like me...
The moment I saw you were making a lip I sent the link to multiple people I know who fit your market. I even convinced one to sell their FRP lip in order to purchase your lip.

...he just likes to harass people in a way that doesnt draw TOO much attention to himself from moderators and admins alike.
I stay within the rules, homie.
https://i.giphy.com/media/3o85xJohCZUc524lSU/giphy.webp

[dorkidori_s13]

The moment I saw you were making a lip I sent the link to multiple people I know who fit your market. I even convinced one to sell their FRP lip in order to purchase your lip.

while i do appreciate the referrals, i think it might be a good idea for you and i to avoid one another seeing as im pretty sure we mix like oil and water in terms of how we deal with each other. no harm, no foul... just moving forward, id prefer it if we left each other alone.

Personally, I am not in that market. But at this day and age, I rather see a clean car built with cheap parts, than a clusterfuck of a car looking like it was drug from the junkyard.

one of the few things i will agree with you on...

[!Zar!]

lol .

[tacotacotaco]

Ahhh... I was so confused... lol thanks

This thread needs more pics. Be the hero we need, but don't deserve.

So on the topic of Purist. Honestly what it really boils down to is what you want. Being someone who started his first steps on this car forum to owning Corner3motorsports and starting the Nissan Challenge and Subaru Challenge series things I thought I knew about or my understanding of brands and parts has totally changed and I keep learning more everday.

Japanese Brands. Back then Japan was at the fore front of the car world. Every part was based in racing and performance that's what they were developed for and trickled down into the aftermarket. Parts based, on pefromance. In today's world to keep up with competition from the US, China and other producers there has been a decline in quality mainly to keep up with competition. Any consumer that thinks oh its Japanese and marks it as good shit still has the lingering influence of the past. Some Japanese "brands" now a days are really no better than China stuff. They just did better marketing and put some japanese fonts and heritage around it. Really anything good you have to be a bit in the know to understand since those companies still have the mindset of catering to racing and Don't really market to our demographics.

Instant Gratification and Social Media: A lot of the new enthusiast were born into ease of access and instant gratication having it now getting what they want now without much thought into the why. With the shift away from brick and motor shops and everyone's ability to "Open their own thing" and e-commerce has taken a lot of the knowledge base away. Social media now has influencers. New enthusiast see those cars and mimic them. I never fault them most of them don't really know any better. When they start to mimic the rhyme and reason on how the car got that way gets lost and you just get a jumble of parts and attempts to get a look but not the performance.

But anyways I can go on foooor days but we will do that another day.

In short to build a good community you have to educate, have good communication. You'll be surprised how many customers I have that could have ended up being ricers but when you build a good relationship and help them you get better builds. A lot of stuff people have asked for I basically asked the question why and thats how the conversation started and all of a sudden they know more they know better and are now able to make better descisions and purchases vs slapping whatever is on.



Dont Mind the paint. Spirit Rei Splitters great look! The front can not withstand track use. One of those compomises because I still wanted to be cool. They will be saved for street use not track
https://i.imgur.com/fsVuvJZ.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/WKbmHP9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZGTm054.jpg?4
This seibon hood looks cool thats about it. The vents arent in the proper location. A great example of knowing better would have influenced my decision on a better hood. If you just want the look go for it. Saves weight.
https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/13416938_10154239889553948_3897673172533919052_o.j pg?oh=ada284caa3b175d4155c00aa9cfb1ac8&oe=5A8A6D6C

[dizzariot]

This thread is basically just turning into a collection of "everything the remaining members of Zilvia complain about" thread, lol.



I wish I wasn't wired the way I am, but I will never be able to do it. I can't run a replica part even if it is more affordable or assembled with more care than the original. I can't run a set of TEs that are not coated with the original finish from the Rays factory, even if it's generic white and they were originally white. I have no idea why I am the way I am, but stuff like this drives me absolutely bonkers. No disrespect at all to those that do it because I love to see people seek a quality build and do things right, but it's something I personally will never be able to overcome. It's not because I am an elitist, it's because there is something wrong with me, hahaha.

One thing I have always found interesting is how upset people get about what others do with their cars. I'm definitely guilty of feeling the same way from time to time, but I have seen dozens of people say they are selling their S13 because of "all the young kids in the community ruining them." Shouldn't that be more motivation to keep yours and provide a good example? I won't say that some things people do don't bother me, I guess I have just never been so vocal about it. If you truly enjoy building and tinkering with your car, why should what anyone else is doing matter?

I'm just an overly sappy and nostalgic guy I guess, but I love these cars. They've provided me so much enjoyment and introduced me to so many good people that I now call friends over the years that I can't be bothered with the opinions and actions of others.

At this point posts like this on Zilvia are merely preaching to the choir, but it's cool to see an in-depth discussion with decent traffic like this around here. I miss those days so much, haha. Zilvia is great.

I used to be that way but there are certain things I just learned to let go. Factory aero is always the best but the last time I had an OEM Type X lip I sold it for $750 and was amazed it went so quickly. I guess, at the end of the day, that's probably one of the only 'icing-on-the-cake' pieces I don't feel the need to spend almost a grand on.

I think people (like me) get upset at other people's cars because we're finally to that point where they aren't becoming a rare sight, they are a rare sight. I don't think for one second every car should be babied and driven the way I drive my cars...but I would hope that everyone takes care of their car. This all goes back to the 'missile' crisis argument of not having a shitty, crumpled beer can and justifying it by saying it's a 'drift slut'.

In the end, the reason why I get so pissed boils down to the same reasons you feel so strongly about these cars as well: the enjoyment and genuine love I have for the chassis. We just externalize it in different ways haha.

You said people are for instant gratification, then proceeded to hype a product which caters to that market. I was simply pointing out the irony in your statement.

The reason why people won't spend $800 for an authentic lip is the same reason why people won't spend money for other authentic parts.

Personally, I am not in that market. But at this day and age, I rather see a clean car built with cheap parts, than a clusterfuck of a car looking like it was drug from the junkyard.



Irony noted. I think I meant to make a point on that but it's been covered in my reply to Damon. There are certain compromises to be made and an $800 lip is one of them.

Hype though? I was just saying his product fits well at a fraction of the cost. Facts B, word to your Moms. Deadass.

Huboner's car will definitely be this.

Been around 240's for 15+ years, and the elitist "purists" are as insufferable as they were then. Seems like a label that they give themselves to shit all over everything they deem not acceptable.

I'll take an enthusiast over a purist. Note that this isn't about defending shitty parts. It's about shitty people.

No one likes an insufferable cunt. I mean, for what it's worth, the guy that started this thread fancies himself a purist. I guess you either know you're a die-hard purist or it's a label someone gives you.

Purist: a person who insists on absolute adherence to traditional rules or structures, especially in language or style.

I guess when you look up the definition, I don't fit that bill either. I'd enjoy any well-put together car that didn't look like someone had 'unique idea' diarrhea all over their fucking car.

[!Zar!]

...word to your Moms. Deadass.
http://popcrush.com/files/2015/07/drake.jpg?w=600&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89

[R3b]

I think purist is the wrong word for it but the best word would be is "style" imo since it can encompass many forms.

Some people love OEM everything which looks sick, other people love the late 90s/00s grassroots style which looks sick, others like the more aggressive/showy D1 style which looks sick, some others like the beat thrashed shakotan cars which look sick.

At the end of the day looks are subjective but one thing is certain and everyone can agree when something has style to it. Not talking about normal bagged/widebody/dished wheels or "drift" missles rattle caned but seeing a car that I would say 99% of people can look at and will appreciate.

You just see it and know.

[feito]

Some people love OEM everything which looks sick, other people love the late 90s/00s grassroots style which looks sick, others like the more aggressive/showy D1 style which looks sick, some others like the beat thrashed shakotan cars which look sick.


You sure you didn't forget quotation marks on some of those "sicks"?

[lunchmeat]

I hear purists, I think the concours type attitude. Oem all the way, like it came from the factory.

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[CrimsonRockett]

I hear purists, I think the concours type attitude. Oem all the way, like it came from the factory.

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Like that, but personalized if that makes sense.

I love OE style, but with subtle changes that set cars apart.

[Gio RMS13]

...older guys ditching their cars because what younger folks are doing to them i think simply boils down to association. i know i have a very VERY hard time interacting with a lot of the younger guys because of how horribly they treat one another (and everyone else for the most part). the 240sx scene has actually gotten a VERY negative view in most peoples eyes simply due to the level of disrespect that is constantly mouthed off with and the shitty attitudes a good amount of 240sx owners have. its quite sad.... but to some people, they dont want to be painted with the same brush so they move on in life.

This is something I don't understand. I don't think age has anything to do with it. I got my S13 in 2009 when I was 17, and even when I was one of those younger guys, I couldn't get along with most s chassis owners I met because of the attitude of the average generic s chassis bro; the majority were, and still are, jackasses. I used to get a lot of flak from locals because I wasn't building my car to drift, and even kept it totally stock for a good while, but not once did I consider selling my car and moving on. I just manned up and ignored it. It comes with the territory, and that's a part of cars in general, not just s chassis. That's why we have things like Zilvia to connect with other like-minded enthusiasts, and now social media if that's more up your alley.

If someone cares so much what people think of them based on the car they drive, that says more about them than it does about the community.

As for 'purists' still being around (I hate that word), there will always be a group of people building cars to a certain standard, and that sets the precedent for everyone else. Leading by example. I know I wouldn't be here if not for the efforts of those who came before me, inspiring the direction I eventually took with my car. Where would I be if I didn't pick up that magazine with Damon and Toby's cars on the cover? If they just said "Screw it" and sold their car and bought an Evo? I know a younger kid who was partly inspired by my car to start a Type X build of his own, so I helped him by answering any questions he had and directing him to who and where he can buy parts from; now he's got a pretty respectable parts collection going, and he's well on his way to a rad car. Granted, that's the exception to the rule, but I still think it's enough to help prove my point.

[!Zar!]

Replace, "purist" with "legit" and this thread makes more sense. But, having legit parts alone is only one piece of the puzzle. Execution is a huge part as well.

Super-D and Final Bout are prime examples of getting all the pieces together: style, performance, and quality.

Building cars isn't a race, yet many people seem to treat it as such.

The community of people building nice cars is still out there.

There are people who build cars and aren't whoreing themselves all over social media. So they may seem non-existant. Especially being as how forums have slowed down so much. Myself? I haven't owned a 240 for 6 years or so. But I'm still talking about cars to people all around the world in a group-chat. All the while trying to push myself to have a legit build on my newest chassis

Instant gratification is very much a thing in American society. Many American car builds are a reflection of that. That why some people seem to want the most amount of different, for the least amount of money. Or why some people rather throw power and angle at a car instead of learning how to drive it.

[Whitey13]

At this point, I'm just happy to see cars where all the body panels match.

[Juucso]

For me, a purist is a guy who likes to keep everything OEM or very close to it. Somewhat almost 70% of JZA80 Supra's are in states, kinda OEM+. Very much OEM style with mods that could've been option from factory, like the TRD wing and front lip. After that, some tasteful modifications and replacing worn out stock parts with new or facelift model. Example the OEM 240SX tails look awful for me, but the Type X ones are the best on the market.

For me that S14 in the first post is NOT a purist car. It's a car from a guy who likes the -00 Japan style. Isn't that body kinda ruined for purist? The stock body lines are cutted and replaced with fiberglass. I'd say that the owner appreciates authenticity and the early 2000's Japanese style that you're seeing more and more today. It's not a bad thing at all tho! I love the style.

[!Zar!]

Pretty sure "purist" is the wrong word for what the OP was trying to convey.

Replace, "purist" with "legit" and this thread makes more sense.

[turboshoebox]

What would u call a car that built with mostly top shelf jdm parts?

[!Zar!]

What would u call a car that built with mostly top shelf jdm parts?
"legit"
“Top shelf” parts don’t always make a nice car. It’s all in the execution.

[feito]

“Top shelf” parts don’t always make a nice car. It’s all in the execution.
Qft
Msglengthblah

[turboshoebox]

The proper execution of course is a given. A great example of poor execution would be the way most formula d cars look.

[Bnr32gtr]

I would agree purist is the wrong word. When I think of purist i think of oem. Most purist don't mod there cars if they do its factory parts like nismo, Toyota trd and so on. The ol heads down the road with old gm muscle car that's anti lsx swaps. That's what I think of purist. That pic of the s14 is what a purist hates and I love so much. My thought of a purist s14 kouki would be Jdm front with Lip, Navan skirts, Jdm kouki rear spats or what ever they called, Jdm kouki wing with a set of r35 wheels on z brakes. I love both styles when executed proper. But I'm a car guy I can appreciate any well built/put together car no matter the chassis.its all about execution/flow. Even if it's not my style

[Standard]

I can relate to some of the things you guys are talking about. The s13 I own currently I purchased in 2008, I can honestly say I don't have any knockoff parts on it and have tried to put it together properly to the best of my ability. That being said it's probably one of the slowest s-chassis builds in the history of the world! The thing is though, 95% of the time the car is completely road worthy and drivable, not a tear apart and sit build. I enjoy the car immensely, and have a strong passion for these cars. I've always felt like I've been in the minority group of 240 owners, I've never once posted my car on social media, working on my 240 is just a personal hobby of mine that current trends don't influence.

The whole instant gratification thing with what seems like mostly the younger generation is so true, not to say all of them are like that though. The point that Zar made I completely agree with, people who respect and build these cars properly are out there more than most people think, and in my opinion will be the future of the s-chassis scene and the majority of owners in the not so distant future.

[mechanicalmoron]

All you instant-gratified kids stay off my lawn...

All you dinosaurs fossilize already.

[jefferz]

All you instant-gratified kids stay off my lawn...

All you dinosaurs fossilize already.

Ive never related to a post more in my life.

[MamangSorbetero]

The "Zilvia Purist" is all but gone in 2017. The same goes for most JDM car communities these days. There has been a boom of counterfeit/low tier products and this new generation eats it all up.

Thankfully that's only for the USA in general. Other countries are on that good, full JDM/quality parts thing. Most are just in it these days for the crime and counter-culture but not really about actual skill in driving or wrenching on the cars...

[HyperTek]

i log in every now and than.. does that count? moved to an older S Chassis tho. But unlike majority of US S30 owners, I am pretty anal about trying to stay true to JDM styling.. There are parts that Japanese Zs just dont do (like plastic fender mirrors, poor fitting US made fender flares , fakeasswheels etc).
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23172948_10155387605828557_3978871373166869082_n.j pg?oh=78247d15e90f4439bd947c41135e18a4&oe=5ABC2E87

[dmragecm]

i log in every now and than.. does that count? moved to an older S Chassis tho.

same here. i sold my 180sx but i wanna get an aristo or jzx90 in the future. you sir are a god among men with that s30. what gnose kit is that? do you have an ig?

[!Zar!]

Don't let people whoring out their shitty cars ruin ones perception of what is and isn't still out there. Nice cars are still being built.

I've been enjoying my latest built. Not an S-chassis, but the same principle goes into building a Jzs as an S-chassis.
Been a while since I've posted my car in here.
http://omgdrift.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/WK0W2978.jpg

[HyperTek]

same here. i sold my 180sx but i wanna get an aristo or jzx90 in the future. you sir are a god among men with that s30. what gnose kit is that? do you have an ig?

thanks! ig handle is gstyle_s30 https://www.instagram.com/gstyle_s30/
Kit is from restored.jp
flares are marugen shoukai

[turboshoebox]

AUSTINGT ig

[lunchmeat]

i log in every now and than.. does that count? moved to an older S Chassis tho. But unlike majority of US S30 owners, I am pretty anal about trying to stay true to JDM styling.. There are parts that Japanese Zs just dont do (like plastic fender mirrors, poor fitting US made fender flares , fakeasswheels etc).
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23172948_10155387605828557_3978871373166869082_n.j pg?oh=78247d15e90f4439bd947c41135e18a4&oe=5ABC2E87Please get this bitch in paint asap. Love some s30.

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[Sailor]

There has been a boom of counterfeit/low tier products and this new generation eats it all up.


I couldn't agree more, but you have to admit the price is very alluring. Though it may not be the "right" way to fix/build a car, it gets a lot of people the opportunity to work on something without the large cost of original parts.

it is not that people are buying cheap aero that erks me, but the effort level to make what you have be a finished product.


The whole instant gratification thing with what seems like mostly the younger generation is so true, not to say all of them are like that though.

Expect to get parts that do not fit well, and expect to do some modification to them. It takes time and a whole lot of effort to meet the fitment and look of quality parts and that is the trade-off in price.

This is what I don't understand about "purists", holding a standard that they have set for themselves and expecting others to adhere to it. There are many builds on here using second hand parts and the only thing that separates them (already said a few times on this forum) is the execution.

[tricky_ab]

Building cars isn't a race, yet many people seem to treat it as such.

Quoted for truth... A lot of my favorite builds over the years, have been the ones where the owner took their time with things. Had an idea or vision and made it a reality.

[tb13]

I fucking hate the word "pursuit" and anyone that feels the need to call them self one and tell others how to build their car can close their gaping mouth hole and fuck right off. If you're that close minded, thinking your car is the "right" way to build around any chassis, you have no business being part of any car community.

If you've got respect for the chassis you are building around there is no reason for anyone to be giving you shit about your build. I've seen a ton of cars that are not my cup of tea, but I have to respect the time and effort people put into their cars to get them the way they want it. I can't hate on someone doing everything right, just in a different way then I would do it.

Yes, people ruin cars with shitty parts, horrible fab work and simply not giving a shit all the time. We've got a thread to make fun of these idiots, but if someone is just building a car that doesn't really conform to the "norm", leave them alone or find a way to support them with constructive criticism or advice instead of trying to spread the devine word of your holy savior OEM+.

Am I a pursuit, hell no. My car is considered a bastard in the Z32 world, but that doesn't stop me from putting all of the best parts I can afford into it and building it how I want.

[dmragecm]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51bGlXhajML.jpg

[ZX88]

if your not running eibach sportlines and agx's still gtfo. hahaha

[bataangpinoy]

Purism is stupid. It's one thing to take some styling cues from the early 2000's, but for fucks sake it's 2017. All that time capsule JDM early 2000 bullshit needs to stop. The technology and support has advanced greatly for these cars, get used to it.


Also, I see alot of you dorks hard parking your shit in some trendy back drop with some cut rate photo just for instagram. Lame.
Go and do something cool. Making a pseudo drift car and pretending you're about the culture is dumb if all you do is stance park the car.
Fucking weeaboo's.

Also also; just cause you have fancy, brand-name parts doesn't mean you know how to build/work on cars. I see so many "quality" builds that are hot messes from lack of mechanical aptitude. Be it the owners or previous shops; just cause its fancy with a price tag doesn't mean you know what you're doing.

Also 3x: For the love of all things holy please stop coveting used Bride seats made over a decade ago. Y'all are buying used stuff that someone sharted in for the better part of 15 years. Gross.

Sorry not sorry.

[!Zar!]

stuff
Welcome to 24 posts ago.

[turboshoebox]

Purism is stupid. It's one thing to take some styling cues from the early 2000's, but for fucks sake it's 2017. All that time capsule JDM early 2000 bullshit needs to stop. The technology and support has advanced greatly for these cars, get used to it.


Also, I see alot of you dorks hard parking your shit in some trendy back drop with some cut rate photo just for instagram. Lame.
Go and do something cool. Making a pseudo drift car and pretending you're about the culture is dumb if all you do is stance park the car.
Fucking weeaboo's.

Also also; just cause you have fancy, brand-name parts doesn't mean you know how to build/work on cars. I see so many "quality" builds that are hot messes from lack of mechanical aptitude. Be it the owners or previous shops; just cause its fancy with a price tag doesn't mean you know what you're doing.

Also 3x: For the love of all things holy please stop coveting used Bride seats made over a decade ago. Y'all are buying used stuff that someone sharted in for the better part of 15 years. Gross.

Sorry not sorry.
i get what ur saying but you seem so angry about the early 240 crowd. (based on ur join date on being some what recent.)n

[Standard]

Expect to get parts that do not fit well, and expect to do some modification to them. It takes time and a whole lot of effort to meet the fitment and look of quality parts and that is the trade-off in price.

This is what I don't understand about "purists", holding a standard that they have set for themselves and expecting others to adhere to it. There are many builds on here using second hand parts and the only thing that separates them (already said a few times on this forum) is the execution.

Confused as to why you quoted my post to say this. Aside from the fact it has nothing to do with what I said, I'm not sure I understand what your trying to say here hahah

[dizzariot]

All you instant-gratified kids stay off my lawn...

All you dinosaurs fossilize already.

Says the kid defending shitty 'done-did-it-ma'self' work in the DIW thread. I'll send you a participation trophy in the mail. Until then, get fucked.

'Dinosaurs'...most of us are under 30. We're just not massive fucking dipshits.

This whole thread can be ended simply: you either 'get it' or you don't. Whatever your chosen path is with this chassis you either know what's up or you're just fucking it up. Restomod, purist, drift, stance guys, track guys, and daily driver builds...you can always tell who's going in the right direction for their chosen path. You can even mix and match some of them..but it's the culture vultures that try to dabble in it all for recognition that normally fuck up. The dudes that take shortcuts, the people that try their hand at custom fab work, do a shit job, but leave it and defend it because 'they did it themself', the guys following fads. They all fucking suck. Dudes like the guy I quoted bitching about people hiding behind 'cop out' criticisms then saying everyone against instant gratification is a dinosaur (irony) are just around to make some fucking noise while people will listen.

It is what it is. My ever-evolving understanding of this thread and the word 'purist' leads me to believe that you an be a purist in a chosen path...and you either fucking get it or you suck shit.

[Sailor]

I fucking hate the word "pursuit"

Really? I kind of like that word

[Bnr32gtr]

Yeah I'm not fond of it either when I think of it it makes me think of stuck up yuppie.

[tb13]

Really? I kind of like that word

Its fine if you love a certain chassis and hold you own opinions to a high standard, but when you run around calling yourself a pursuit telling others how to build their cars you are just a close minded prick. I've always just associated pursuit negatively with people like that...

Yeah I'm not fond of it either when I think of it it makes me think of stuck up yuppie.

Agreed.

[CamryOnBronze]

Purism is stupid. It's one thing to take some styling cues from the early 2000's, but for fucks sake it's 2017. All that time capsule JDM early 2000 bullshit needs to stop. The technology and support has advanced greatly for these cars, get used to it.


Also, I see alot of you dorks hard parking your shit in some trendy back drop with some cut rate photo just for instagram. Lame.
Go and do something cool. Making a pseudo drift car and pretending you're about the culture is dumb if all you do is stance park the car.
Fucking weeaboo's.

Also also; just cause you have fancy, brand-name parts doesn't mean you know how to build/work on cars. I see so many "quality" builds that are hot messes from lack of mechanical aptitude. Be it the owners or previous shops; just cause its fancy with a price tag doesn't mean you know what you're doing.

Also 3x: For the love of all things holy please stop coveting used Bride seats made over a decade ago. Y'all are buying used stuff that someone sharted in for the better part of 15 years. Gross.

Sorry not sorry.

https://i.giphy.com/media/R459x856IfF6w/giphy.webp

[Sailor]

Its fine if you love a certain chassis and hold you own opinions to a high standard, but when you run around calling yourself a pursuit telling others how to build their cars you are just a close minded prick. I've always just associated pursuit negatively with people like that...


I fucking hate the word "pursuit"

Do you not like PURSUIT, such as the one for happiness :keke:

[Reece]

Purism is stupid. It's one thing to take some styling cues from the early 2000's, but for fucks sake it's 2017. All that time capsule JDM early 2000 bullshit needs to stop. The technology and support has advanced greatly for these cars, get used to it.


Also, I see alot of you dorks hard parking your shit in some trendy back drop with some cut rate photo just for instagram. Lame.
Go and do something cool. Making a pseudo drift car and pretending you're about the culture is dumb if all you do is stance park the car.
Fucking weeaboo's.

Also also; just cause you have fancy, brand-name parts doesn't mean you know how to build/work on cars. I see so many "quality" builds that are hot messes from lack of mechanical aptitude. Be it the owners or previous shops; just cause its fancy with a price tag doesn't mean you know what you're doing.

Also 3x: For the love of all things holy please stop coveting used Bride seats made over a decade ago. Y'all are buying used stuff that someone sharted in for the better part of 15 years. Gross.

Sorry not sorry.

This is almost like saying a period correct muscle car is lame because there's "new technology".

[tb13]

Do you not like PURSUIT, such as the one for happiness :keke:

I'm referring to calling yourself a pursuit, we should all pursue goals in life, but when you go from pursuing your own goals to trying to tell other how to pursue theirs, you should reconsider what you are doing.

I dunno, I come from the Z32 community and I've been harassed so many times for running certain offset wheels, being too low, etc that I just hate the idea of pursuits trying to make everyone follow their way of thinking a car should be built.

[Phlip]

Wait
WaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWait....

Hold on a damn minute!

I'm referring to calling yourself a pursuit, we should all pursue goals in life, but when you go from pursuing your own goals to trying to tell other how to pursue theirs, you should reconsider what you are doing.

I dunno, I come from the Z32 community and I've been harassed so many times for running certain offset wheels, being too low, etc that I just hate the idea of pursuits trying to make everyone follow their way of thinking a car should be built.

Pursuit:
https://positivewordsdictionary.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Pursuit-definition.png

Purist:
https://blog.e-bikerig.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/clip_55.png

You been arguing all this time over a grammatical error.

[tb13]

Wait
WaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWait....

Hold on a damn minute!



Pursuit:
https://positivewordsdictionary.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Pursuit-definition.png

Purist:
https://blog.e-bikerig.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/clip_55.png

You been arguing all this time over a grammatical error.

Well I'm retarded, let that be on the record. :ugh: Still somewhat applies though, I need to work on my reading skills

[afishysilvia]

Wait
WaitWaitWaitWaitWaitWait....

Hold on a damn minute!



Pursuit:
https://positivewordsdictionary.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Pursuit-definition.png

Purist:
https://blog.e-bikerig.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/clip_55.png

You been arguing all this time over a grammatical error.


:keke::keke::keke::keke: This dude is hilarious...

[bataangpinoy]

i get what ur saying but you seem so angry about the early 240 crowd. (based on ur join date on being some what recent.)n

It's mostly the younger dudes who nut swing over that "golden era" but don't have any knowledge or talent that piss me off. They just slap beat up parts on and tug themselves off about how "neato" their cars are.

This is almost like saying a period correct muscle car is lame because there's "new technology".

No, paying homage to a past era is one thing but you shouldn't ever set yourself behind just because "its what they used to do".

Support for the SR20 here in the states is so far behind. Why? Cause y'all don't want to do new shit. Nistune is a real powerful tuning option, but its not popular. You all want to keep chip tuning your shit or using Power FCs. Or blowing stuff up with megasquirt. Z32 MAF Upgrade? Why do that when you have the access to the newest MAF from the r35? Its so affordable and the VE table is so refined...

Here is the example that I like to give:

On Youtube, there is a 90's CarBoy GP Drift competition where drivers are judged on solo runs. We're talking EARLY 90's Japan. Dudes still in Starlets, AE86' a few old Datsun, CA Powered S13's... Just having fun in cheap cars, right?

And then BAM; Two dudes are competing with a (then new) E30 M3 and an R32 GTR. Two cars that were the PINNACLE of motorsport technology in that era.

Are you gonna tell me that the other guys in the S-chassis or TE/AE chassis wouldn't use whatever they could to give themselves a fighting chance?
If they had the access to the parts and tricks that we have now, you don't think they'd be using them?

[FaLKoN240]

I don't even think you can define "purist" anymore.

Look closely to videos coming out of japan now a days, they run cheap parts all the time too. Knock off wheels, crappy steering wheels and interior parts, generic suspension arms galore.

I think a lot of us see Japan and the "purist" mentality through rose colored glasses.

In reality, as long as the cars are true to style, I don't think anyone really cares anymore. Just keep it lowish, painted one color, and cohesive in the chosen style and it should always look good. Of course I respect people out there still doing it by the book with all legit everything, but when I see kids running US market or replica parts, I really can't be mad as long as it looks like it was put together with care.

As for my own car, I follow the 00' styling, but my parts are about 50/50 replica versus real. Basically if its key to safe and reliable operation like a radiator, clutch, diff or turbo, real parts only. But for things like aero, intercooler piping, exhausts and the like, I really couldn't care less.

I've tried sticking to the JDM quality only tip for the longest time, but it's too expensive when you actually drift and drive the car on public streets. I go through a body kit every year, that on top of tires and entry fees... it's it's not feasible to buy brand new JDM or pay for shipping costs for used stuff from across the ocean.

If a replica company can issue something that isn't safety critical, and it works just as well, you'll see me on it.

I just bought a CX racing intercooler set up for my car because I have end of year events I'm trying to make and didn't want to spend twice as much for the real thing. If it breaks because of low quality I may consider getting a JDM one, but they're still not built for my KA-T motorset...

It's mostly the younger dudes who nut swing over that "golden era" but don't have any knowledge or talent that piss me off. They just slap beat up parts on and tug themselves off about how "neato" their cars are.



No, paying homage to a past era is one thing but you shouldn't ever set yourself behind just because "its what they used to do".

Support for the SR20 here in the states is so far behind. Why? Cause y'all don't want to do new shit. Nistune is a real powerful tuning option, but its not popular. You all want to keep chip tuning your shit or using Power FCs. Or blowing stuff up with megasquirt. Z32 MAF Upgrade? Why do that when you have the access to the newest MAF from the r35? Its so affordable and the VE table is so refined...

Here is the example that I like to give:

On Youtube, there is a 90's CarBoy GP Drift competition where drivers are judged on solo runs. We're talking EARLY 90's Japan. Dudes still in Starlets, AE86' a few old Datsun, CA Powered S13's... Just having fun in cheap cars, right?

And then BAM; Two dudes are competing with a (then new) E30 M3 and an R32 GTR. Two cars that were the PINNACLE of motorsport technology in that era.

Are you gonna tell me that the other guys in the S-chassis or TE/AE chassis wouldn't use whatever they could to give themselves a fighting chance?
If they had the access to the parts and tricks that we have now, you don't think they'd be using them?

Why we're still using the old tech is.. it's there, and it works.

I'm into drifting. 3 or 4 years ago, PBM was all the rage. I fell into the hype, bought their coils, arms, subframe risers the whole nine yards.

Only to have all that bullshit flipped on it's head when Naoki, grass roots drifter put everything we thought we knew about drifting on its head.

Dude slays formula d drivers in 600hp cars with all of the leading edge suspension mods on the most technical courses. But he does this with the fabled 15+ year old suspension and tuning you're downplaying.

As for the newer stuff, using new mafs, new tunes, new tech requires someone developing it.

People that have that kind of skill and talent and do it well, they do it for money. V35 maf... I don't even know where to find one, let alone bother looking for one because I have no idea how to set it up.

I can get a Z maf and enthalpy for less than $400. I can do that by buying used parts.

When someone starts developing cheap R35 tunes using mostly OEM quality parts,l maybe the rest community along with myself will consider it, otherwise we're going to continue using our old tech.

[bataangpinoy]

I'm into drifting. 3 or 4 years ago, PBM was all the rage. I fell into the hype, bought their coils, arms, subframe risers the whole nine yards.
Only to have all that bullshit flipped on it's head when Naoki, grass roots drifter put everything we thought we knew about drifting on its head.

Dude slays formula d drivers in 600hp cars with all of the leading edge suspension mods on the most technical courses. But he does this with the fabled 15+ year old suspension and tuning you're downplaying.

Im not going to detract from his ability in that car. Nor am I going to detract from anyone's driving on the west coast. But I wasn't terribly impressed when I saw that event at Grange. That being said, we all have the potential to drive like he does on a dusty 2nd gear track like Grange, Sonoma Sportsland and Balcony in similar cars.

I also wish to make a little note about US drift culture where people overbuild cars beyond what their abilities require. Not saying that anyone in particular is guilty of that, but only wish to point it out.


What separates us from guys like Nakumura-san is seat time.

[kevinphan]

Im not going to detract from his ability in that car. Nor am I going to detract from anyone's driving on the west coast. But I wasn't terribly impressed when I saw that event at Grange. That being said, we all have the potential to drive like he does on a dusty 2nd gear track like Grange, Sonoma Sportsland and Balcony in similar cars.

I also wish to make a little note about US drift culture where people overbuild cars beyond what their abilities require. Not saying that anyone in particular is guilty of that, but only wish to point it out.


What separates us from guys like Nakumura-san is seat time.

haha you could probably put in 10,000 hours of seat time and will never get close to his level of skill

[!Zar!]

I wasn't terribly impressed when I saw that event at Grange.
You blind or just blind?

[!Zar!]

Edit.


Homie is blind.
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/sideofhill/FuncMo%20Street%20Car/eastcourse5_zpswkspmnda.jpg
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/sideofhill/FuncMo%20Street%20Car/vinnyset2_zps8bgv7bw8.jpg

[bataangpinoy]

Edit.
Homie is blind.



Top photo is a 3-4th gear course.
Bottom photo was the skidpad where we test out changes in our setups.
Neither are dusty go kart tracks.

If you're getting at the aesthetics, I'm not into slammed cars or obnoxious body kits. Wheel color wasn't my cup of tea either, but that's what my powdercoat sponsor wanted to do.

What I am into is drivability and challenging myself. If you looked at the thread where you pulled those pics you'll also see these pics.

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/sideofhill/FuncMo%20Street%20Car/ReadySetDriftPoconos-1_zpsxnjtscy5.jpg (http://s1085.photobucket.com/user/sideofhill/media/FuncMo%20Street%20Car/ReadySetDriftPoconos-1_zpsxnjtscy5.jpg.html)

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/sideofhill/FuncMo%20Street%20Car/PoconosRacewayDrift-3_zpsyail7ke4.jpg (http://s1085.photobucket.com/user/sideofhill/media/FuncMo%20Street%20Car/PoconosRacewayDrift-3_zpsyail7ke4.jpg.html)

http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j427/sideofhill/FuncMo%20Street%20Car/de0f6cd6-31be-4f09-a61d-2e6143e2c428_zpsucelnm9b.jpg (http://s1085.photobucket.com/user/sideofhill/media/FuncMo%20Street%20Car/de0f6cd6-31be-4f09-a61d-2e6143e2c428_zpsucelnm9b.jpg.html)

Do you know what that teal hatch chasing me is? Thats the car that became the DeathKart, which was ~450HP 1JZ in this iteration. Mike Perez is no slouch of a driver.

My coupe had a near stock S15 SR20 around a course that is 3rd-4th gear, in a car with stock knuckles (just rack spacers and extended lower control arms). We put on an awesome show that day. I'm not saying that I'm an all-star or anything, but I definitely don't care to hype myself up or brag when something exciting happens. It's irrelevant to being a good driver.

Ya'll hype boys need to calm down and get your skills up. Les bickering and more driving. We can all be as good as our JDM heroes with enough seat time. Maybe not you Zar, you seem to run your mouth/keyboard more than you run the circuit.

[!Zar!]

blah blah blah
Fuck out of here with all that.

Your car is ugly as fuck.

Your sponsor likes ugly as fuck things

Get on Naoki's level.
8HA-JP5e8NU

[!Zar!]

blah blah blah

P.S.

Suck my dick from the back.

[bataangpinoy]

Fuck out of here with all that.


Haha. A video where you're not even driving, how cute!

Zar, you seem to run your mouth/keyboard more than you run the circuit.


I don't care about Nakamura-san, how about you show me where your level is at baby boy? Where in Canada are you? We should meet at an event next season and see where our skills stack up. I'll gladly come to your home track. Pick your favorite 2nd gear oval/infield.

[turboshoebox]

All I asked was if anyone here still runs mostly exclusively jdm parts and this whole debate comes up lol

On another note I dunno why people love fortune cookie auto coils.


Dg5>

[!Zar!]

talking all that good shit
Sorry. My car is only allowed near cars which don't look like skittles.
https://i.imgur.com/iCrRTFm.jpg

[bataangpinoy]

Sorry. My car is only allowed near cars which don't look like skittles.


The geriatric home called, they'd like their nurse's boat back please. On a real note though, you are literally the kind of person I said I dislike in this thread. You aren't as cool as you think you are hotboi. I'm glad someone got a pic of your car where you actually managed to drift it. Also, what kind of cut rate event allows people on track without SA2010 helmets? You look like a muppet with that gaudy chrome bulb on your head.

Is that how you reflect your ego to get everyone to think you're good at this? Or is it a radar to potentially attract you a boyfriend?

[!Zar!]

more blah blah blah

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/be/43/cb/be43cb2f3d26be58aa0df952a476add4--drake-quotes-wall-quotes.jpg



(=

[bataangpinoy]

drake motivational quotes? i'll drink to the death of your manhood. =)

[dizzariot]

All I asked was if anyone here still runs mostly exclusively jdm parts and this whole debate comes up lol

On another note I dunno why people love fortune cookie auto coils.


Dg5>

This is why I say you fancy yourself a purist. Have you used either? Have you ever used one? Or are you just nutswinging DG5 because they have history?

Back to Abo-Moon.

Wanna know who else drifts with them? Feel old yet?

ISTVYBVTTFVCKING
https://chariotz-cdn.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/Portals/0/Users/2608/Projects/6963/Optimized/Scion_FR-S_StayCrushing_RevealShootJenna-24.jpg

[jumpman2334]

jesus this thread is giving me cancer. thanks zilvia.

[I<3BEWBZ]

Lol trashing Naoki and Super D. Go away

[!Zar!]

drake motivational quotes? i'll drink to the death of your manhood. =)

The only thing shittier than your clapbacks, is your car.

[turboshoebox]

This is why I say you fancy yourself a purist. Have you used either? Have you ever used one? Or are you just nutswinging DG5 because they have history?



Why u so mad that I prefer dg5 over some shit budget American brand. I only have experience with dg5 but not red neck auto cause I wouldn't dip in that booshiet

[dizzariot]

Why u so mad that I prefer dg5 over some shit budget American brand. I only have experience with dg5 but not red neck auto cause I wouldn't dip in that booshiet

Dude are there any purists in this world anymore? Or are you the Last Purist. Gosh you're so pure. So God damn Japanese. Your sweat probably smells like udon.

[s14unimog]

As said already by a few, Japanese sourced parts don't ensure quality - especially these days and paying for it to make it to our shores can sometimes price it out. E-commerce has done a lot to down sizing this planet and that ease of mfg. sourcing has translated to lower priced parts all over though. A lot of that "quality" is built in the very same practice as the "junk" so it can be tough to justify/identify what makes something "better" than another. Obviously there are clear examples of where they're different.

Either way, I think the "purist" we're trying to label here is a late 90's / early 2000's group that did not have the ease of access to information (sourcing) that we have now. We're still out there though (believing I'm probably in this group) and do more lurking than posting simply b/c a newer generation seems more interested in what time it is; not how the clock is made. Who knows, who cares. You either do it for you or the wrong reason.

Sheesh, I have posted anything A WHILE....

[kevinphan]

Top photo is a 3-4th gear course.
Bottom photo was the skidpad where we test out changes in our setups.
Neither are dusty go kart tracks.

If you're getting at the aesthetics, I'm not into slammed cars or obnoxious body kits. Wheel color wasn't my cup of tea either, but that's what my powdercoat sponsor wanted to do.

What I am into is drivability and challenging myself. If you looked at the thread where you pulled those pics you'll also see these pics.


Do you know what that teal hatch chasing me is? Thats the car that became the DeathKart, which was ~450HP 1JZ in this iteration. Mike Perez is no slouch of a driver.

My coupe had a near stock S15 SR20 around a course that is 3rd-4th gear, in a car with stock knuckles (just rack spacers and extended lower control arms). We put on an awesome show that day. I'm not saying that I'm an all-star or anything, but I definitely don't care to hype myself up or brag when something exciting happens. It's irrelevant to being a good driver.

Ya'll hype boys need to calm down and get your skills up. Les bickering and more driving. We can all be as good as our JDM heroes with enough seat time. Maybe not you Zar, you seem to run your mouth/keyboard more than you run the circuit.

I'm not sure who mike prez is but he sure did build a huge piece of shit

The geriatric home called, they'd like their nurse's boat back please. On a real note though, you are literally the kind of person I said I dislike in this thread. You aren't as cool as you think you are hotboi. I'm glad someone got a pic of your car where you actually managed to drift it. Also, what kind of cut rate event allows people on track without SA2010 helmets? You look like a muppet with that gaudy chrome bulb on your head.

Is that how you reflect your ego to get everyone to think you're good at this? Or is it a radar to potentially attract you a boyfriend?

You do bicker a lot for someone whose too busy on the track in 4th gear rocking SA42069 helmets

[yomisiu]

which helmet do yall recommend wearing while on the short bus?

[Bnr32gtr]

^Bicycle all day bro

[yunglinguine]

Define purist

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171213/126f671a3683aed53291b0837535d192.jpg

[tricky_ab]

Define purist


https://media.giphy.com/media/blqEBWV6iFjGM/giphy.gif

All I asked was if anyone here still runs mostly exclusively jdm parts and this whole debate comes up lol


*Hand up in the air*

Though this is because my car wasn't sold here so...

[bataangpinoy]

Lol trashing Naoki and Super D. Go away

I openly stated that I don't wish to detract anything from anyone's ability to drive. I have respect for Nakamura's abilities as a driver.

The concept of Super D is cool, but the track choice was lack-luster imho. That's really all i have to say about it lol.

The only thing shittier than your clapbacks, is your car.

Haha whatever you say man. I genuinely hope we cross paths some day, it will be interesting!


haha you could probably put in 10,000 hours of seat time and will never get close to his level of skill.

You do bicker a lot for someone whose too busy on the track in 4th gear rocking SA42069 helmets



Probably not lol As I'm sure you're aware, there aren't so many opportunities for grassroots tendem competition events here in the northeast. I would have gone to Lock City this weekend and then gone snowboarding the day after if they didn't cancel the event :/ Me and a few buddies were all ready for a nice weekend trip.

You should come to NJ for Slayride! $160 for a single day pass, $265 for a two day pass. We all signed up for Sunday, but I might end up being able to do both days if my Saturday appointment can't make it to my shop.

I just realllly don't like Zar. I have no respect for people like him. If you look up nutswing in urban dictionary it's a picture of him in the chrome scuba helmet.

Why u so mad that I prefer dg5 over some shit budget American brand. I only have experience with dg5 but not red neck auto cause I wouldn't dip in that booshiet

DG5 is cool and all, but support/repairs for those units are damn near non-existent. You could send them to Feal for a rebuild, but as far as I'm aware thats really one of the only places than can rebuild those JDM brands not offered in this market.

Having support for a product direct from it's manufacturer is a big deal for alot of people, especially guys which short service intervals. I have Blitz ZZ-R's on my current car and although they're on the west coast, I can get replacement cartridges direct from either FR-Sport or Blitz NA HQ.

Dude are there any purists in this world anymore? Or are you the Last Purist. Gosh you're so pure. So God damn Japanese. Your sweat probably smells like udon.

LOL $10 bux says he has a hentai girl sticker somewhere on his car

[Reece]

Christ

IDK what the fuck happened here but trashing Super D is something that someone should definitely not do if they would like to be taken seriously. I don't think their choice of track has anything at all to do with this thread.

Back to something somewhat on topic I suppose?
I think the reason why people still use chipped ECUs and PowerFCs and the like is because they work. Why reinvent the wheel? I don't think having more options is necessarily a bad thing, I'll likely be going with Nistune myself, but I just don't really understand why things that have been tried and true need to be tried again.

I'd also like to know why it seems like the general assumption of a """"""purist""""" is that they don't drive or have little driving skill lol.

[slider2828]

I know there a lotta hate in this thread, but this is pretty entertaining to read... I am trying to stick to the whole jdm theme at least body wise, but suspension still all UK and US parts...

Either way.... most entertaining thread I have read in zilvia for a long time! and HyperTek came back for a little.... dayum hot s30 there....

[JustinChillenBallin]

P.S.

Suck my dick from the back.


LMAAAAAAAOOOO please tell me you listen to Bodega Boys as well?

[TheRealSy90]

I put together a fully fledged out AEM Infinity 506 setup for my redtop sr, with an AEM sensor for every engine parameter I could think of ran to the ecu. Failsafes for everything, with a custom built harness to suit from wiring specialties.
Over 800 for the custom harness, 1200+ for the ecu, and over 1200 in just the additional sensors.
3200 bucks for the baddest standalone setup I could put together myself, all to run like 400hp...

Then I went to Super D; came home and sold that entire setup because I can do the same thing (and have) with a simple RS Enthalpy ROM tune and it ran perfectly fine, and i'd have 2400 dollars left over for whatever the fuck else.


Just because there's newer, better stuff out there, doesn't mean its the "best" option. At least not for a car that's sole purpose was to go have fun drifting. Stick with what works the best for the money.
But still, throw SAFC's in the trash.

[FaLKoN240]

I put together a fully fledged out AEM Infinity 506 setup for my redtop sr, with an AEM sensor for every engine parameter I could think of ran to the ecu. Failsafes for everything, with a custom built harness to suit from wiring specialties.
Over 800 for the custom harness, 1200+ for the ecu, and over 1200 in just the additional sensors.
3200 bucks for the baddest standalone setup I could put together myself, all to run like 400hp...

Then I went to Super D; came home and sold that entire setup because I can do the same thing (and have) with a simple RS Enthalpy ROM tune and it ran perfectly fine, and i'd have 2400 dollars left over for whatever the fuck else.


Just because there's newer, better stuff out there, doesn't mean its the "best" option. At least not for a car that's sole purpose was to go have fun drifting. Stick with what works the best for the money.
But still, throw SAFC's in the trash.
Heh heh... my SAFC helped me get my Enthalpy tune to that sweet spot and my car is a rocket now.

[afishysilvia]

P.S.

Suck my dick from the back.

Lol this made my day :naughty:

Love this damn website and all the people on here with such huge egos. All that goes out the window in person...I bet there’s many of them on here. All the power they have is on zilvia bashing people. Got my first red mark for being a “smart ass.” Pretty sure I know from who..again....little people...doing little things doesn’t bother me. Keep killing it Zar,

No new friends...

[!Zar!]

LMAAAAAAAOOOO please tell me you listen to Bodega Boys as well?
Double topping all day, son.

Keep killing it Zar,

LOVE YOU TOO, BOO




On another note. This is the best thread on zilvia in a while.

[TheRealSy90]

Heh heh... my SAFC helped me get my Enthalpy tune to that sweet spot and my car is a rocket now.

I would have talked to Martin and told him exactly what you adjusted. He could have sent you a better map for the ecu.
I had the same thought that I would use an SAFC to "fine tune" the Enthalpy ROM which was against Martin's advice.
So of course I started with the SAFC settings all zero'd out initially, then I started trying to fine tune it, and it would work for a day or so and then i'd have to adjust things again.
Finally one day I just uninstalled the SAFC like Martin suggested and the ROM tune ran better than it ever had before, specifically at partial throttle areas and was more reponsive. The SAFC was interfering with the ECU even with no adjustments being made.

[smellslikecurry]

This thread is hilarious.

I don't see whats wrong with building a period correct car. Its not like you're putting a safc in a fucking Tesla. Its a goddamn 240sx.

[tuzzio]

P.S.

Suck my dick from the back.

brown nosin'. I like it.

Who else is into buttstuff?

INB4THELOCK

[afishysilvia]

brown nosin'. I like it.

Who else is into buttstuff?

INB4THELOCK

https://i.imgur.com/TrpAjU2.jpg?1

[slider2828]

https://i.imgur.com/TrpAjU2.jpg?1

This ish right here got me hella laughing LOL!!!

[deolio]

What separates us from guys like Nakumura-san is seat time.

I bet you think you could be as fast as Senna if you had as much seat time too. There’s this thing called talent that all the seat time in the world couldn’t teach you. Shit, Tony Angelo could probably have 10,000hr more seat time than Naoki and still be sleeping on D.A. bro’s sofas, surfing coat tails to his next meal.


Anyway, yeah there are purists left, but they’re few and far between. I’m sure once these cars become collectible, there will be a resurgence.

[dmragecm]

if your not running eibach sportlines and agx's still gtfo. hahaha


I have a K's badge and Buddy Club wheels. I am the the ultimate pursuit

[BayS13]

I bet you think you could be as fast as Senna if you had as much seat time too. There’s this thing called talent that all the seat time in the world couldn’t teach you. Shit, Tony Angelo could probably have 10,000hr more seat time than Naoki and still be sleeping on D.A. bro’s sofas, surfing coat tails to his next meal.

I remember when Sonny beat Tony Angelo at GGF with his stock KA and Tony was in the FD. Garbage.

[FaLKoN240]

I remember when Sonny beat Tony Angelo at GGF with his stock KA and Tony was in the FD. Garbage.

Miss that coupe with the R32 tails.

[LockOn!]

Dude you guys really need to just block that Pinoy guy. His shit was way too annoying back in like 2015 or even earlier. All he does is derail threads. Peep my sig.

Every time you guys quote him and I see his posts I die a little inside.

Also, I've never seen his car before today. Looks like shit lol.

[Jo_Galezo]

Wow, just read up on this and had a very.... very good laugh. As for "purists" and the new generation of car owners. Being 20, a lot of people my age don't care to spend however long to look for a specific part or an authentic part & rather slap on whatever they can find that mimics what they want. A lot of people are in it for scene points & a lot of people aren't in it for scene points but just dont want to wait 3 years to save up however much money to build the car they want so they go the cheap route so that they can feel good about their car & not that they just bought something and had it sit there looking ugly.

Random PS : Idk man, zilvias an intresting place, this is my first year using it or even knowing how to use it and manuever properly but i really love it, i always wondered how it was years ago when it first started & information wasnt as widely available. Now no one has any excuse to find out what they want to know about the schassis.


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[tuzzio]

i always wondered how it was years ago when it first started & information wasnt as widely available. Now no one has any excuse to find out what they want to know about the schassis.


This place has good information from like 2001 that is still applicable today, but everybody these days wants to be spoon fed answers without searching first. If you don't say dumb shit or live in florida, you'll be fine here.

[Almighty So]

If you don't say dumb shit or live in florida, you'll be fine here.

Two of the major keys to Zilvia success.

[Sailor]

i always wondered how it was years ago when it first started & information wasnt as widely available. Now no one has any excuse to find out what they want to know about the schassis.

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I also wonder how much harder it would have been, when everything was basically word of mouth. The idea of being a purist probably didn't have as much of an influence

& I second that there is no excuse, too many people post. There is so much information on this forum. All you need is a little bit of time to really work out how to dig for information on Zilvia, and time to read and comprehend articles and advice

[Jo_Galezo]

Yeah ^ & honestly within a couple of years, the 350z will replace the schassis and then within many years of that. The frs will be next. Its inevitable at this point.


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[KiDyNomiTe]

I've found adding too much new technology to old cars can be more detrimental than beneficial. Face it, most big companies these days are not going out and real world testing new technology on old machines. It is just being passed down because it worked great on a newer car. The older stuff is tried and tested and usually built for this old tech.

I have run into issues such as buying fancy new style tension rods with the curve in them for clearance and all that mess, only to have one break on me at top of 3rd gear mid drift. So now I run Ikeya Formula ones. They work, they look cool, and they were fairly priced. I know people who have run fancy new clutches and broken transmission after transmission only to eventually switch to older technology and be fine. I run an ORC twin plate, no issues. I used to run Enthalpy, and an old Haltech, never had rocker arm issues, switched to an infinity, broke a rocker right away.

Point is, we are talking about 20+ year old cars with 20+ year old components. Some of these JDM companies have been working on these parts for all 20+ of those years. It works pretty well. If its not broke don't fix it.

Of course, as I mentioned earlier I do have an AEM Infinity in my car, still in there even after the rocker arms, because there are some things I personally prefer to be newer, and I enjoy the logging capabilities. It took some time for me to figure out what to do about the rocker things, but there was basically no good info out there because it is so new. Also most largely because tuners in the US tend to prefer new technology. If I lived in Japan, I would probably have a PFC.

Oh and Super D rocked. Being able to drift in 3rd and 4th gear does not make you a good drifter.

[feito]

Ok guys, you really need to keep discussing this very serious issue...
It's been a couple days now without seeing this beautiful thread on top.
Are there any JDM purists left on this magnificent forum, or not?!!

[!Zar!]

Safe to say, all the OGs brought out by this tread still adhere to building legit cars.

[Kingtal0n]

I like my 240 to look original- from the outside

I was at the light making a left, and two S13's pull up in the right turning lane next to mine. I hear them making jokes about my stock looking S14 etc... "Its an SE dog!"

Light turns green and we come around the corner, of course he floors that ol' KA engine, I guess they both did. Well by the time they realized my stock exhaust was hiding something it was too late, I heard him bouncing from the rev limiter after I got a couple cars ahead. I let off and let them race past me to the next light, where they quickly made a right and disappeared...

It just wouldn't have been as fun if my car was noisy/graphics/painted/kits/etc... pure or not

I guess I care more about pureformance

[CamryOnBronze]

I like my 240 to look original- from the outside

I was at the light making a left, and two S13's pull up in the right turning lane next to mine. I hear them making jokes about my stock looking S14 etc... "Its an SE dog!"

Light turns green and we come around the corner, of course he floors that ol' KA engine, I guess they both did. Well by the time they realized my stock exhaust was hiding something it was too late, I heard him bouncing from the rev limiter after I got a couple cars ahead. I let off and let them race past me to the next light, where they quickly made a right and disappeared...

It just wouldn't have been as fun if my car was noisy/graphics/painted/kits/etc... pure or not

I guess I care more about pureformance

I would venture to guess that any S chassis owner that would mock a clean, stock-appearing S-14 instead of think it was cool is probably a bone head.

[Krusty_s13]

I would venture to guess that any S chassis owner that would mock a clean, stock-appearing S-14 instead of think it was cool is probably a bone head.

Just Florida things.

[tricky_ab]

Just Florida things.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/LqV9mtgpCoB1K/200.gif#5-grid2

[dizzariot]

I would venture to guess that any S chassis owner that would mock a clean, stock-appearing S-14 instead of think it was cool is probably a bone head.

This is why we love you.

[Kingtal0n]

I was reading page 1 and I also have to agree about the "instant gratification" theory. Seems like many just want to buy these cars completed, not build anything.

ex. I have a friend who sold an S13, this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq0AfuOltKQ

Pretty much done, done done. He built it, and moved on.


The fellow he sold it to, a nice guy, unfortunately knows nothing of cars. The guy called me over once to diagnose a mis-fire, I Knew right away what he had done and even told him over the phone before I came out. He had replaced the plugs and only gapped 3 out of 4 of them.

It's one thing to read online how to do something and try to follow a list "recipe" for fixing or maintaining a vehicle,

and it is another thing entirely to understand what you are doing to the vehicle and why, what it really needs/wants, not just what the list says to do to it.
Talk to ur cars :D

[pacotaco345]

Oh boy...

I'm by no means a purist but I do take care in putting together my car (in every sense of the phrase); I've had the same chassis since I turned 15 in 2008. Don't get me wrong, my car has an SR, PFC, analog defis, etc because I like late 90's early 00's styling, but it has a fake bride, fake vertex, phase 2 suspension arms just because they get the job done. It looks good (imo), goes good, stops good, turns good so I don't mind the handfull of knockoff stuff that's on it; I'll replace it when I have the money/time to do so.

As for everyone talking about final bout and super D, there's still a lot of cobbled together, half-assed polished turds rolling around those events with JDM parts on them. I think !Zar! hit the nail on the head earlier when he said it's all in the execution. I have more thoughts on "purist" events like that but I got real drunk one night and ranted in my blog and woke up to death threats on facebook so I'll keep my opinion to myself now.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171219/e01a17cd9a696a714252ca87b985417e.jpg

Also, +1 to whoever said Japanese stuff doesn't necessarily mean quality anymore. My VIS aero fits perfect and my DMAX fenders fit like trash and make my car look like a pre-runner from the front left.

[Krusty_s13]

Also, +1 to whoever said Japanese stuff doesn't necessarily mean quality anymore. My VIS aero fits perfect and my DMAX fenders fit like trash and make my car look like a pre-runner from the front left.

Some of that DMAX stuff is HOT GARBAGE.
Shit, I have some bomex stuff that fit like shit and has required WAYYYY too much work. Luck of the draw i guess.

[CamryOnBronze]

My DMAX hood fit better than my Koguchi Power hood. Go figure, lol.

[jumpman2334]

I got real drunk one night and ranted in my blog and woke up to death threats on facebook so I'll keep my opinion to myself now.

drfting is srs biz yo.

[brndck]

My DMAX hood fit better than my Koguchi Power hood. Go figure, lol.

lol im the exact opposite! i think my whole car has custom bent itself around the hood, just to improve the fitment of KP goodness.

[lunchmeat]

I have more respect for someone who takes pride in their car, even if they can't afford the most high end bits, than someone who throws money at their car and makes an expensive shitbox.



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[LockOn!]

I have more respect for someone who takes pride in their car, even if they can't afford the most high end bits, than someone who throws money at their car and makes an expensive shitbox.



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Me too, if the car is one color or a cohesive scheme, with panel and wheel fitment that doesn't look like it was put together by a toddler or blind person, I can totally over look "fake" parts.

[brndck]

I have more respect for someone who takes pride in their car, even if they can't afford the most high end bits, than someone who throws money at their car and makes an expensive shitbox.


Me too, if the car is one color or a cohesive scheme, with panel and wheel fitment that doesn't look like it was put together by a toddler or blind person, I can totally over look "fake" parts.

this is what we mean when we say "execution".

a car with mid range parts, but a cohesive game plan and quality work can end up looking better than just buying expensive name brand parts and throwing it together with shitty setup and poor workmanship.

buying quality parts is important.

doing quality work is more important.

[smellslikecurry]

I'm an asshole purist and this bothered the fuck out of me.

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/25015430_2182221455399470_2072532212372209664_n.jp ga

[EJ8 944]

The front end fitting like total garbage?

[Sergio180sx]

I'm an asshole purist and this bothered the fuck out of me.

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/25015430_2182221455399470_2072532212372209664_n.jp ga

Lol is that a fake mishimoto? the M is not centered lol

[merlz]

My DMAX hood fit better than my Koguchi Power hood. Go figure, lol.

Yeah my Koguchi Power hood fits like absolute shit. But i refuse to get rid of it because i love the look of it so much.

First and last piece of fiberglass i put on my car lol.

[spooled240]

The front end fitting like total garbage?

Lol is that a fake mishimoto? the M is not centered lol

mismatched headlights also :tweak:

the car is not that bad though compared to some of the atrocities that have been posted on this forum

[turboshoebox]

I have more respect for someone who takes pride in their car, even if they can't afford the most high end bits, than someone who throws money at their car and makes an expensive shitbox.



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this honestly sounds more like you are a bit envious of people who can dumpbig bucks into their car on the best parts. someone who spends top dollar on their car of course has alot of pride in their car

[lunchmeat]

That's like saying I envy TJ Hunt or some shit.

The money isn't the issue, as others said, it's all in the execution.

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[smellslikecurry]

mismatched headlights also :tweak:

the car is not that bad though compared to some of the atrocities that have been posted on this forum

Its really just that mishimoto symbol that bothers me lol. Nothing fundamentally wrong with the intercooler itself. #justpuristthings

[Krusty_s13]

Its really just that mishimoto symbol that bothers me lol. Nothing fundamentally wrong with the intercooler itself. #justpuristthings

Mixmatched headlight, shit panel fitment, tidal wave in the bumper, etc etc etc.

[pacotaco345]

First and last piece of fiberglass i put on my car lol.

I remember when my car was all OEM metal, then someone backed into the quarterpanel with an F250 :(

[feito]

Mixmatched headlight, shit panel fitment, tidal wave in the bumper, etc etc etc.
quoted for truth

[!Zar!]

That S13 needs these things.
https://static.wixstatic.com/media/6f9b53_5e9276721f33445eafc0df9c66da440c~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_498,h_316,al_c,q_90/file.jpg
https://www.auto-collectstorm.com/product-page/pre-order-storm-s13-bumper-fitment-guide

[Sailor]

They make everything for the s13

[I<3BEWBZ]

Mixmatched headlight, shit panel fitment, tidal wave in the bumper, etc etc etc.

I hate seeing oem Silvia bumpers cut up for front mounts.

[smellslikecurry]

Garage thrash is coming back in 2018. Fanboi purists unite!

[Almighty So]

So that’s not just some troll? Hoping for the best lol

[BayS13]

So that’s not just some troll? Hoping for the best lol

Nope not a troll! I know some of the people involved in JP!

[Reece]

Garage thrash is coming back in 2018. Fanboi purists unite!

Hearing this makes me appreciate my Thrash less to be honest lmao