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devonkyle77
10-06-2004, 05:13 PM
my buddy found a 86 200sx and wants to get it. but before he buys it, he wants to know if any 240 parts are interchangable and if he can drop sr or ca18 in it fairly easily...is there an aftermarket for these? thanks for any input!

silkkysmoo
10-06-2004, 05:17 PM
:keke: :keke:

devonkyle77
10-06-2004, 05:24 PM
naw man its rwd, and i mean ca18det, not the stock ca single cam

420sx
10-06-2004, 05:25 PM
why would you buy that piece of shit??!

AKADriver
10-06-2004, 05:28 PM
http://www.club-s12.org/

The stock 4cyl engines are crap, including the CA18ET turbo (IMO). That one's too old to have a VG30... probably an N/A CA20E.

KAs, SRs, and CAs bolt into stock mounts. Wiring is up to you though.

Suspension is the biggest biotch, and the main reason I sold my '86, because there was NO info out there back then. Some people swap to S13 front spindles and struts, and I guess you can use S130 280ZX front struts with the stock spindles along with Z31 300ZX rear shocks. Then... figure out springs.

These cars have a cool '80s retro look and the're pretty easy to work on... but it's not really practical to try to make one faster. Best thing is just to keep it stock, maybe throw on some meshies or watanabes, and just rock it as a beater.

devonkyle77
10-06-2004, 05:28 PM
come on now man, if u have nothing good to say dont post

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/240866/1

they have potential...

AKADriver
10-06-2004, 05:29 PM
It comes with ca18de already. But it has FF layout.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong on both. It's the US-market S12 Silvia.. FR, CA20E or CA18ET (SOHC 8 valve), or '87-'88s had the VG30E as an option.

You're thinking of the Pulsar NX.

holisticbeatz
10-06-2004, 05:32 PM
Ohhhhh helll yea they're tunable~! Absolutely fuckin siiik~!

http://tinypic.com/bhq2g

rainier
10-06-2004, 05:54 PM
deng wide wheels.

Var
10-06-2004, 05:56 PM
he sunk his own battleship

ThatGuy
10-06-2004, 06:00 PM
That S12 is now my new desktop at work. Thank you, holistic.

-E-
10-06-2004, 07:07 PM
That S12 is now my new desktop. Thank you, holistic.
:werd: .

TiNMAN
10-06-2004, 07:25 PM
so is your friend still gonna get one??

projectRDM
10-06-2004, 07:55 PM
S12s are the sex. Even better are the older 200SX, S111 chassis. Those are sick women pulling machines.

And that pic is so on, I saved it too.

devonkyle77
10-06-2004, 08:35 PM
yeah i think he is going to get it!
anything to be aware of before getting one?
thanks guys

wootwoot
10-06-2004, 09:04 PM
rust, beware!

MakotoS13
10-06-2004, 09:33 PM
a- a forum that only says nice things cannot be trusted

b- they are cool cars and i've seen em modded so that much is up to you. hell, people soup up 92 berettas...

c- the typical S13 has more rust than.... well... a lot of rust. so i can only imagine what an S12 would be like.

Chernobyl
10-06-2004, 10:05 PM
That race S12... are those hoshino impuls on it? Absolutely amazing!

I love the 80's.

andrave
10-06-2004, 10:23 PM
same boat as my m30. nice car, RWD, decent engines, absolutely 0 aftermarket support unless you manage to special order from japan. but if you are buying an 800 dollar 200sx, you prolly aren't gonna be importing 2000 dollar coilovers.

SW20Racer
10-06-2004, 10:24 PM
my buddy has an 84 200sx it has a solid rear axle isntead of irs. for power he's going with a high compression carb'ed out kade (great option not alot of wiring). for suspension he's using custom front and rear strut tower bars and custom sway bars (cost him all of about $150)and he's using hydraulics so now its super low and super stiff. if you go with ka power the only custom piece you will need is 1 transmission mount. i can give you the name of a guy who mastered this swap just pm me if you wanna talk to him

edit: also i can get you the factory aero kit for like $260 (front bumper piece and side skirts) since there a NO body kits readily available anywhere.

Chernobyl
10-06-2004, 10:30 PM
make body kits out of sheet metal like bosozuku in japan!

Don't forget the angled up 3' tall exhaust with hello kitty exhaust tip.

phrozen
10-06-2004, 11:33 PM
those hoshinos are fucking sick

old_s13
10-07-2004, 12:43 AM
s12's make me want to puke

much like z31's

there are better cars in this world, skip the 80s.. a time when most cars sucked.

SilviaDriver
10-07-2004, 12:47 AM
yes they can be tuned. its called custom turbo.

AKADriver
10-07-2004, 11:15 AM
c- the typical S13 has more rust than.... well... a lot of rust. so i can only imagine what an S12 would be like.

My S12 was rust free! My S13s are worse. They used heavier gauge steel in 'em. That's why they weigh sometimes more than S13s...

Andrew Bohan
10-07-2004, 02:36 PM
isn't that nismo car a 180, not a silvia? the coupe/fb silvia/180 distinction started with the S10 didn't it?

AKADriver
10-07-2004, 02:46 PM
No, the first JDM 180SX was the RS13 in 1988.

There was an S110 "Silvia 180SX" in Europe, hence the confusion.

S110s and S12s in Japan were sold as Silvias or Gazelles. The only difference between a Silvia and a Gazelle was the dealer networks that sold them and some minor trim like seat cloth patterns and grilles. Different Nissan dealers in Japan are either "Red Stage" or "Blue Stage" (though back in the '80s there were at least four different dealer networks instead of the current two) and they get different car lines to sell.

So yes, there were S110 and S12 Silvia fastbacks.

Redtop_240
10-08-2004, 05:11 PM
www.club-s12.org The car is very tunable with the right engine in it, I have had 2 S12's with SR's and one with a High compression KADE setup.....

S12's squat great and make great drag cars...... Driveshaft needs to be modified for all engines including the CA18DET, KA24E or DE, and SR, I have also seen a few with the indestructable FJ20ET (Its a DOHC just not coded properly, basicly its a better form of the SR) and the RB20DET drops in as well...... The wirring is not a hug issue if you get the wirring harness with the engine you buy.....

The CA20 makes a great boost platform seeing as how it is quite an indestructable block, and the CA18ET is crap......

You could aslo go the route of the VG30E or the VG30ET, this car is very versitile when it comes to engine swaps.....

IMO they are great cars.....

Sleeper as hell....

-Jeff
Proud owner of a KA powered S12......
KA-T powered S13
and SR powered S14.....

Redtop_240
10-08-2004, 05:14 PM
yeah i think he is going to get it!
anything to be aware of before getting one?
thanks guys

Be aware you have to basicly use suspension parts from other cars, mainly you need the full suspension spindles brakes etc. for the front off an S13 and rear springs for a 280Z.......

Also be aware that most are either in great shape or really bad shape due to age issues....

-Jeff

Advan
10-08-2004, 10:19 PM
I have an 86 or 87 Pulsar NX. My 70hp, with 98lbs of torque is sitting outside of my yard. I wouldn't mind tuning it up, because dropping that engine and replacing it with something a tad bit better, would be really good. But I figured, it would be better to just save up about 3grand, and buy a 240, unless this lady will sell me her convertible 89 RX7.

Dan0myte
10-09-2004, 11:50 PM
Wow, I'm honestly amazed by the amount of incorrect information floating around about the S12. And this is on Zilvia.net, supposedly the HQ for anything Silvia related. :(

my buddy found a 86 200sx and wants to get it. but before he buys it, he wants to know if any 240 parts are interchangable and if he can drop sr or ca18 in it fairly easily...is there an aftermarket for these? thanks for any input!

Devon, the S12 and the S13 were completely different animals. Nissan started with a fresh slate with the S13, so the only thing that's a direct swap between the 240SX and the 200SX will be the shifter if the car is a mid-year 1986. They upgraded it to the 71C transmission then, which was carried over through the S13 and S14. So any short shifter kit made for the 240SX will also work on the 200SX. Other people have made Tein 240SX coil-over kits work by cutting out the top of the strut towers and welding in 240SX strut tower tops, then the rest bolts in. We're still working on 240SX LSD conversions, which we believe will be an easy swap, but only a few S12 owners have done it, and they haven't described their methods in much detail.

And yes, the CA18DET came stock in the S12 in Japan in 1988, so it's a direct swap. The SR20DET has been transplanted by many people, who report it's very minimal work.

The stock 4cyl engines are crap, including the CA18ET turbo (IMO). That one's too old to have a VG30... probably an N/A CA20E.

The VG30 is a nice engine, especially in a light 200SX body, there's no denying that. That's why I bought one. :) But the 4 cylinder's aren't crap. The CA20E isn't much of anything, mostly just good on gas. The CA18ET is a built engine though. Bart Cepek, a member on Club-S12, changed his CA18ET's turbo from the stock hairdryer T2 to an SR20DET T25 and an intercooler and is a consistent low 14 second, daily driven car. The CA18ET is hardly crap.

You can use S130 280ZX front struts with the stock spindles along with Z31 300ZX rear shocks. Then... figure out springs.

Well, springs are the same story as the shocks. 280ZX springs up front, Z31 springs in the back.

They used heavier gauge steel in 'em. That's why they weigh sometimes more than S13s...

Yes, the steel was slightly heavier, but yet the chassis was lighter than the S13. Both the CA20E and the CA18ET S12 weighed less than a comparable KA24 powered 240SX. The VG30E S12 weighed more though, by a good margin.

The CA20 makes a great boost platform seeing as how it is quite an indestructable block, and the CA18ET is crap.....

The CA20E block stock makes a horrible boost platform. The rods are very long and very skinny, toothpicks basically. The higher compression is a little trickier to run safely as well. The CA18ET came with beefy rods made to handle boost, a shorter stroke for a more responsive engine and a safer compression ratio for higher boost levels. Some people have made CA20ET hybrids, but are limited to 6-7psi before having to rebuild the engine with forged rods and pistons.

Thanks for all the advertising for my website though. :) We always love having new members join the world of 80's performance. hehe. If anyone else has any follow up questions, I'd be glad to help out however I can. There may be people on the forums at Club-S12.org however who may be more eager to share their experiences with modifications and repairs.

Nebuchernezzer
10-10-2004, 07:59 PM
Hiya, i sorta disagree with dan0myte, if you look at a S12 engine bay or lay under it then lay under a S13 and to a lesser extent an S14 you will see that they are just an evolution of the older S12 platform. As a result alot of gear ment of the front end of a S13 will fit a S12, ie coilovers, some strut braces etc will fit with little modification. Also swapping in later engines like the CA18DET (very easy) and SR20DET isn't a big deal if you know anything about engine swaps.
The S12 minus any power options is light, there is one in my local drift club that weighs in at 1050kg with a cage etc. Mine is however much heavier (around 1280kg, about the same as a SR20 powered 180sx with sunroof) cos of all the power options sunroof etc.
S12's squat great and make great drag cars...... Driveshaft needs to be modified for all engines including the CA18DET, KA24E or DE, and SR, I have also seen a few with the indestructable FJ20ET (Its a DOHC just not coded properly, basicly its a better form of the SR) and the RB20DET drops in as well...... The wirring is not a hug issue if you get the wirring harness with the engine you buy.....
Some true some not, yup they can be great drag cars (there is one in oz that runs low 9s on it's original motor, the FJ20ET), yup the tailshaft will need to be modded if you change the gearbox (not nessessary if you fit a CA18DET in place of a CA20E or CA18ET).
Yup they came out in japan with the FJ20E and FJ20ET as options, and they are tough as hell although they are kinda laggy like most 80s turbo motors, they weigh alot and they are noisy rattly things to (they sound bad). If you were to consider that as a swap i'd say rebuild the motor as it's nearing 20 years in age and probably really really needs it.
Also the FJ and the SR are in no way related the SR was brought out around 10 years later and shares next to nothing with the FJ.
It's true that the wiring is easy to though, i did mine in about a week of evenings and i'm not even good at wiring.

gerryb
10-10-2004, 08:10 PM
s13 coilovers bolt straight into the s12 strut tower you don't need to cut the tower top out.

Also the later s12's in Japan only (MKII's 86-88) came with the option of a ca18det .There are a few examples of these floating around in NZ and Australia, that have been imported as used vehicles from Japan.

The yellow and white car shown in the picture in previous threads, makes over 500hp.

Arro
10-11-2004, 08:11 PM
Much as Dan is, I am very dissapointed at the confusing info provided on here. The S12 is a great platform, weighs in less than S13, shares major components with the Z's from the relative years, and UNlike the USDM S13, it could be had in an easilly-tunable turbo variety. For the money you would spend turbocharging a KA, you will have FASTER single-cam CA18ET. Don't let single-cam technology fool you, it tends to have more low-end grunt. There are CA18ET's in the 300 hp arena in the UK, running nothing more than standard-bearing T3 turbos adapted to the OEM engine (and some other home tinkering). It has lower compresion than the KA "pickup truck" engine, so it's going to take higher boost better WITHOUT the necessity of piston swaps.

A number of turbo S12 owners have built up their CA18ET's faster than S13's with more money in them. One of them is actually faster than a stock SR20DET swap into an S13. The enthuiasm and development of these cars is WORLD-WIDE.

Check out Silli's ride, it runs the OEM longblock with cutom IC pipes, FMIC, upgraded top-mounted turbo and header-style manifold, and other little goodies.
http://www.club-s12.org/board/showthread.php?t=7728

This is the natural competitor to the famed AE86, only, you don't have to spend $4,000 to buy it ('86 Corrollas are going for that easy), nor then another $2,500 for the AE's 16V JDM engine, and then more $$$ for the swap labor. You can buy a lightweight, RWD, OEM turboharged hatchback with enough potential to get you into big numbers with creative tinkering, for usually $2,000 or less (that's a car in great shape, not a beater).

And we DO have bolt-on options. We can use S-AFC too, we have standard T2-style turbo flanging, so a T28, or better yet, a BIG28/28 from Foward Performance will bolt right on. The exhaust path is relatively straight so going bigger is pretty easy. The front airdam has a perfect open area ledge for a nice fatty FMIC. The hatch area has MORE useable cargo space than S13 hatch. And it costs waaaaaaay less than S13 to buy, and waaaay less than S13 to modify.

The CA20E cars, while not posessing a good engine, make great lightweight chassis candidates for most the popular Nissan engine swaps. From riding in a number of S13's and S12 notches, I can tell you that the S12 notchback is actually more stable of a chassis in driving feel. A clean notchback chassis is even cheaper and easier to locate than a turbo variety, and begs for a quickie SR20DET swap-in. You cant get more sleeper than that!

And for the guy who commented about older cars and cited this along with the Z31 as poor choices, he obviously doesn't know the legacy of the VG30ET, the Z31 suspension, nor that Z31's still make very competitive drag cars. AND, for what it's worth, the 280ZX Turbo before it is still to this day very competitive in road course racing, utilizing its 2.8L inline-six turbo engine. If you have any doubts about it, check out this 450whp 280zx turbo, which uses the L-series engine it came with, not some crazy V8 or SR swap.
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme/280zxt/

Nothing is more arrogant than those who drive the new slamming on the old. Learn your history, and know that the old timers still can pump out plenty of power. Do you have 450whp? Or even 300?

An S12 is a great platform for drift, drag, autocross, road racing, and all-terrain rally.

And this forum needs to add "S12" to the choices of Post Icons, and not be so biased against yet another silvia variety. S12 deserves its share of respect just like the other generations. Reminds me of 200SX.org and why we had to get off our butts and create a Club-S12.org in the first place :squint: .

Ok I'm done ranting.

420sx
10-11-2004, 10:51 PM
i still dont see why you would be infatuated with a freakin 18 y.o toaster with rust all over it. 80s cars. yuck.

shinhed
10-11-2004, 11:15 PM
Then don't even bother posting in his thread.


PS.
Being "pinked" is bullshit.
Mrmephistopheles :jerkit:

mrmephistopheles
10-12-2004, 12:07 AM
Then don't even bother posting in his thread.


PS.
Being "pinked" is bullshit.
Mrmephistopheles :jerkit:


:wtc: :wtc:
I'm sorry you feel that way. Would you like another month of being pink to make it feel better? :D
Say the word and I'll make it so.

AKADriver
10-12-2004, 12:46 AM
it costs waaaaaaay less than S13 to buy, and waaaay less than S13 to modify.

No. The only way it costs less is because there's less cool off the shelf stuff to spend money on. People spend $1500 on coilovers for the S13 because they CAN, while the S12 makes do with mismatched S130, Z31, and S13 leftover parts. Sure it costs less, but you're getting what you pay for.

And for the guy who commented about older cars and cited this along with the Z31 as poor choices, he obviously doesn't know the legacy of the VG30ET, the Z31 suspension, nor that Z31's still make very competitive drag cars.

The S12/Z31 suspension is known for one thing... way too much rear negative camber gain under bump. Semi trailing arms were good in the '80s...

I loved my S12, but I'm realistic about it. It's a nice cheap fun car, if you find one without rust and without completely shot rear subframe bushings. Toss some springs and shocks and wheels on it and go have fun.

shinhed
10-12-2004, 07:18 AM
:wtc: :wtc:
I'm sorry you feel that way. Would you like another month of being pink to make it feel better? :D
Say the word and I'll make it so.
Say the word?
Kiss my ass, eat poisonous fugu and :faint:

mrmephistopheles
10-12-2004, 04:11 PM
Say the word?
Kiss my ass, eat poisonous fugu and :faint:

Such mean words!
:nono:

Well, smiley audience, should he stay or go? Yes or no? What say you?



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Oohh.. not good for Shinhed. Oh well. One less waste of bandwidth!

:wavey: :wiggle:

MakotoS13
10-12-2004, 04:43 PM
that's probably the best banning ever in the history of bans.

420sx
10-12-2004, 06:40 PM
muahahahah...... Die Cornolio, die!!!

Nebuchernezzer
10-12-2004, 09:56 PM
I got mine to be different to everyone else actually, in australia the S13 silvia, 180sx, R33 skyline and JZZ30 soarer are probably the most common (barring local cars like SS Commodores) hot cars going around, nothing like being different :) Yup the trailing arm rear end does have it's drawbacks but it's not a big deal really. If you don't like it don't buy one or whatever, the original point of the thread was can you mod them, yes you can, yes they can go fast and handle well and be cheap as chips.

Arro
10-12-2004, 10:00 PM
No. The only way it costs less is because there's less cool off the shelf stuff to spend money on. People spend $1500 on coilovers for the S13 because they CAN, while the S12 makes do with mismatched S130, Z31, and S13 leftover parts. Sure it costs less, but you're getting what you pay for.

No offense, but that's more misinformation. The car in of itself costs a whole lot less, so much so that the savings could pay for a T28 upgrade with FMIC and an aftermarket fuel control system (such as AFC). I can pay, say, $1,500 for the car, another $500 for a T28 (which is a BOLT ON), another $700 for a more than adequate front mount intercooler and piping, another $500 for turbo-back exhaust. That's $3,000. Add in a 190lph fuel pump at around $85, an AFC for another $350, and larger injectors for another $300. $3,735 which is well under $4000. You can't even buy an '89 240SX for that much, unless it's beat to crap and looks to match. And even if you could, you then just have an '89 240SX, bone stock, with it's lackluster KA24E engine, whereas for less than $4K I have a turbo S12 that has all the parts needed to tune it well beyond what the KA can do with simple bolt-ons. Add to that the fact that the CA18ET engine has much lower compression than the KA24E or DE, so it will take good boost levels well past the point the KA engines will pop their tops.

As far as the suspension goes, we have two guys running coilovers and 240SX camber plates. It works. Lowering springs from King Springs or Suspension Techniques. And THEY work. Mismatched? In the first place, you have the wrong "donor" cars listed... it's 280ZX front and Z31 rear. Nothing more, nothing less. You call it leftovers? I don't care if it's left left left over, if it works, and the result is successful, what does it matter? It's still working on a car that, in terms of power plant potential, is superior to the American version of the S13. And can still take all the various swaps the S13 can. And has more cargo area as far as the hatch version goes. So where is the S13's advantage? Looks? If that's it's only advantage, then I'll choose performance and practicality before urethane bodykits and stickers. That, to me, is too "honduh" for my tastes.

The S12/Z31 suspension is known for one thing... way too much rear negative camber gain under bump. Semi trailing arms were good in the '80s...

280ZX and 300ZX deal with it, I'm sure we can, too. Does it outweigh the cost benefits I listed above? I personally do not think so.

I loved my S12, but I'm realistic about it. It's a nice cheap fun car, if you find one without rust and without completely shot rear subframe bushings. Toss some springs and shocks and wheels on it and go have fun.

Rust plagues S13's too, depending on what region the car spent it's life in. I have not a single spot of rust here in California on MY S12. The bushings do wear out, but I am sure that some S13's are beginning to show this wear as well by now if they haven't had theirs serviced. So what? you replace them. No big deal. The funny thing is, I wanted an S13 for awhile, UNTIL that is I discovered the S12 and it's turbo model. We had to create the support base via the creation of the club. Was it easy? Nope. The tuning of suspension in particular has been uphill, but we've got enough now to run with the same kinds of setups the S13 can, with the advantage of a more robust engine platform, less weight, and most importantly, a car platform that costs literally thousands less than an S13 to buy. And even cheaper to repair.

Do I think S12 is a superior platform for all-out racing? Nope. But how many of you ARE all-out? Most of us I imagine are mid-finance or budget racers, in which case the S12, in terms of cost and power potential, has the S13 beat by a longshot, wven pushing that into the swapping world as it were. For the S13 to win on cparison you have to be full race. Otherwise, the S12 will simply give you more.

And that's why I not only picked it, bought it, helped Dan to bring the club to life, but still consider it to be the best choice I ever made. It's nice to know I can build it quite easilly into a competitive drifter, drag, or road race car, the likes of which can compete with all the big dogs depending on what I do to it. And costing a fraction of what they will spend.

Nebuchernezzer
10-12-2004, 11:02 PM
Tru dat owning and modifying cars is supposed to be fun fun, if it's cheap and still fun it's better, if it's cheap fun and competetive it's great. You can make the S12 into that which is what the guy asked in the first place.

Redtop_240
10-13-2004, 12:12 AM
Holy shit the boys from clubs-12.org have opened up the fountain of knowledge.....

HAHAHAHA...

Represent .........

Redtop_240
10-13-2004, 12:20 AM
:wtc: :wtc:
I'm sorry you feel that way. Would you like another month of being pink to make it feel better? :D
Say the word and I'll make it so.


Off topic Id like a deffinative answer on if your gonna buy my RAS's....Ive been kinda holdin out for ya since you were the first to say you wanted them....

brokenben
10-13-2004, 12:34 AM
Holy shit the boys from clubs-12.org have opened up the fountain of knowledge.....

HAHAHAHA...

Represent .........

word. this thread caught 4 new members.

cls12vg30
10-13-2004, 08:07 AM
I haven't been here in a long time, and so as long as the S12's are representin', I thought I'd re-register and join the fun.

Somebody writing off the S12 as an "old toaster" is even more stupid than all the 95-98 B14 200SentraX owners who look at my S12 and remark about how "the 200SX has evolved". Uh, no. The S12 "evolved" into the S13. Your "200SX", being a Sentra, evolved from, you guessed it, the SENTRA.

Sorry, got into a bit of a rant about one of my pet peeves.

Those of us who live in hospitable southern climes don't much have to worry about rust. And I have seen some very well-cared-for, rust-free S12's and other older japanese cars in northern regions as well.

Any schmuck can buy a new car, or one with a massive bolt-on aftermarket. (Not to say that you S13 guys are schmucks, far from it, just making a point)
But it takes balls to drive and mod an old car with near-zero aftermarket, and count on your ingenuity. And it helps a lot to have a diverse, close-knit group like Club S12 to share experiences and ideas.

old_s13
10-13-2004, 10:04 AM
And that's why I not only picked it, bought it, helped Dan to bring the club to life, but still consider it to be the best choice I ever made. It's nice to know I can build it quite easilly into a competitive drifter, drag, or road race car, the likes of which can compete with all the big dogs depending on what I do to it. And costing a fraction of what they will spend.

arro.. nice post, very informative.

i must say though.. the s12 is a butt ugly car. that enough would stop me from buying it. :)

do you have any pics you can post of some NICE looking S12's? interior and exterior, i would like to see something to change my thoughts... PLEASE.

hehe

Nebuchernezzer
10-13-2004, 04:55 PM
Tis true that they aren't the most attractive of cars, i have a coupe which i much prefer over the 'fat bum' hatchback.
This is my car as it was at the last drift day, when i get around to fitting my jetspeed front bar and getting some bomex or vertex skirts and rear pods it'll look good i reckon, although i don't think it looks to bad now even, i've got all the parts sourced just need the time to fit em now....
http://photobucket.com/albums/v337/Garlo/IDA%20drift%20day/?action=view&current=DSCF1347.jpg
http://www.users.on.net/~vanede/poser-jarich.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v471/Nebuchernezzer/My%20Car/?action=view&current=DSCF0834.jpg

AKADriver
10-13-2004, 05:28 PM
...well under $4000. You can't even buy an '89 240SX for that much, unless it's beat to crap and looks to match. And even if you could, you then just have an '89 240SX, bone stock, with it's lackluster KA24E engine, whereas for less than $4K I have a turbo S12 that has all the parts needed to tune it well beyond what the KA can do with simple bolt-ons. Add to that the fact that the CA18ET engine has much lower compression than the KA24E or DE, so it will take good boost levels well past the point the KA engines will pop their tops.

My S13 is in visually and mechanically near perfect condition. It cost me $900. My other S13 had faded paint but was perfect otherwise, $2300. They're out there. The post I quoted mentioned how much it cost to mod, anyway, not to buy, and the parts cost the same for the same stuff. And I don't have the wrong donor cars listed... the S130 is the 280ZX. Again, I OWNED AN S12, a nice rust-free '86 N/A. I know all this stuff, I lived and breathed it.

The "KA = junk" stuff needs to stop, too. The SOHC ha's 8.6:1 compression, that's not unfriendly to turbocharging. It also makes 140-155 solid horsepower out of the box and can actually make power NA, something the SOHC CA can't do. Now, the VG30E on the other hand... that can. But again, the KA isn't the POS everyone used to make it out to be. I've never had good luck with an SOHC CA, though... my plan for my S12 had I kept it would've been to swap in a KA24DE!

The S13's advantage at a fundamental level is suspension geometry. Beyond that, there are just plain more options out there. I know it's possible to make STAs work (look at the BMW M-coupe). I know it's possible to put together a good suspension with mixed and matched parts. I also know after one S12 and two S13s that it's nice to not have to accomodate for that stuff.

Most of us I imagine are mid-finance or budget racers, in which case the S12, in terms of cost and power potential, has the S13 beat by a longshot, wven pushing that into the swapping world as it were. For the S13 to win on cparison you have to be full race. Otherwise, the S12 will simply give you more.

Respectfully disagreed. I've spent less on my S13s (even though I got my S12 for $600) and done much more.

The S12 is a great car, but it's not quite as good, and it's limited by age and obscurity.

Nebuchernezzer
10-13-2004, 07:03 PM
The S12 is a great car, but it's not quite as good, and it's limited by age and obscurity.
This is true, it can be a good option if it's cheap tho, mine cost me $300au (like $150 US or somthing) and given that S13s over here are between $5000 for a NA Silvia Q's and $25000 for a very late 1997 model RPS13 180SX Type X it's a much different market to the US. I can't really comment on how the S12 might be cheaper or not in your domestic market.

Arro
10-13-2004, 08:20 PM
Well, I don't know where he is buying his cars here, but the average price for an '89 240SX in southern California is $3000, with a typical low of $2000, and a typical high of $4000 (this is bone stock, and excludes swapped or modded in any way), as shown in Auto Trader (go online and see for yourself). So I consider your experience to be an exception to the norm. And the OLDEST average 240 is still therefore more expensive than the average S12, which seems to hover around OR UNDER a grand.

I am not sure how you consider age and obscurity to be limitations... I think it was said quite nicely that the only real limitation is the tuner ;)

And on a side note, A KA has been stuffed into an S12 already. But a CA18ET has been recently stuffed into a 240SX. Chew on that ;)

My WHOLE entire point is that a few of the people on here really slammed the S12 out of ignorance, and while you show yourself to be pretty knowledgable, even you can't seem to show how the S13 is more than marginally better than the S12.

And as far as looks go, that's purely subjective. I happen to like the 80's hatchbacks. Not a big fan of the notchback tho. But again that's an individual thing.

I think this one is slick. Certainly loads better looking than the eight-sixes that so many people masturbate to.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/385000-385999/385636_39_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/385000-385999/385636_59_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/385000-385999/385636_61_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/385000-385999/385636_54_full.jpg

Arro
10-13-2004, 08:49 PM
Rare S12 Silvia Grand Prix wide body (OEM)
http://www.tati-motorsport.nl/public_html/images/projects/nissansilvia/emiel1.jpg
http://www.tati-motorsport.nl/public_html/images/projects/nissansilvia/emiel2.jpg

Japanese S12 Driftin'
http://www.geocities.co.jp/MotorCity/9185/snc02.jpg

Japanese S12 club (they don't really talk much with us, sadly)
http://www010.upp.so-net.ne.jp/s12/2003/030201/03020101.jpg

Lookie what some Japanese guy stuffed into there :)
http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/s12/2002/zama0205/zama020507.jpg

Maybe one day Club-S12 will have a meet like this:
http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/s12/2002/mt2002/mt0201.jpg

Yes they look 80's. Nothing wrong with that.
http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/s12/2002/nis2002/13.jpg

Arro
10-13-2004, 08:58 PM
The powerful (although somewhat noisy) FJ20ET, the Silvia engine that is often unnoticed (found in some JDM and Australian S12's):

http://turbovan.com/gallery/engines/fj20.jpg
(this isn't in an S12. I can't find the S12 pics that had it. But it shows you the engine)

Nebuchernezzer
10-13-2004, 09:13 PM
Only jap market S12 silvias and gazelles had the FJ20ET, australia only got the CA20E, the FJ powered cars in oz and new zealand are all imported.
In europe i think they got the NA FJ20E tho.
My own car is SR20DET powered, did the conversion myself, it's not harder than a S13 (given that the floorpans are near identical), didn't cost to much doing the conversion myself.
That is an S12 by the way, it's the ex JMS S12 silvia that is now owned by Decksla on our forums. 400 and somthing hp i believe.
The pics don't work properly tho, u might just have to post the link.
http://photobucket.com/albums/v471/Nebuchernezzer/My%20Car/?action=view&current=Dscn1634.jpg

Dan0myte
10-13-2004, 09:55 PM
do you have any pics you can post of some NICE looking S12's? interior and exterior, i would like to see something to change my thoughts... PLEASE.

Well, there's mine,
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=26959&page=94&pp=30
(half way down the page).

It's stock, but I still think it looks pretty decent. But then again, I still listen to AC/DC and Trooper, so I could be a bit biased. ;)

Johnnyfive
10-14-2004, 12:00 AM
It's an invasion!!!! Hi I'm also from Club-S12 :D

here's a good looking one

http://home.sprintmail.com/~locklear/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/goldengate.jpg

http://home.sprintmail.com/~locklear/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/newengine.jpg

Mine's a little rusty but mine has only been in the N.E. for all of it's life. If anyone wants to see it just ask

brokenben
10-14-2004, 12:08 AM
wat the hell? there BETTER be a zilvia thread over there ;)
seriously tho.. thanks for the pics.. might start one as a project car somewhere down the line..

edit: that grand prix is pretty sick.

old_s13
10-14-2004, 12:02 PM
again, no disrespect.. i know we all have "appreciation" for the cars we own.. and no one likes to hear negative comments. but all i can say is thank GOD cars dont look like that anymore.. the hatch looks acceptable.. i am okay with that look.. but the coupe, its just ugly in my opinion.

80s were the worst for me.. i cant imagine anything good about the 80s. the early 280ZX looked way ugly compared to the sexy 240Z and earlier Z cars. The Z31 is not a completely ugly car, but the shit is far from pretty when compared to the Z32. You can tell when a car is designed nicely, look at the new Z33.. appearance wise its HANDS DOWN one beautiful car.

THe S13 is okay, depending on how its modified. Stock, it has no balls.. so whatever you do to bring that out will make the S13 look good. This is what separates the men from the boys when it comes to making a car look nice. Im not a fan of body kits, i think some fender rolling or pulling, some nice quality wide wheels.. and a nice stance.. you're good to go.

andrave
10-15-2004, 08:21 PM
ok, well can anyone tell me if the suspension tricks that work on those s12's would work on my m30? I think they might share the same front suspension design, and I know they share the same vg30e with the se's.
My M has that rear trailing arm shit too, I'm not a big fan myself. However, it uses coilover type struts in the rear, so I'm certain that z31 shocks wouldn't work, as they use sep. coils.

Arro
10-16-2004, 01:49 AM
again, no disrespect.. i know we all have "appreciation" for the cars we own.. and no one likes to hear negative comments. but all i can say is thank GOD cars dont look like that anymore.. the hatch looks acceptable.. i am okay with that look.. but the coupe, its just ugly in my opinion.

80s were the worst for me.. i cant imagine anything good about the 80s. the early 280ZX looked way ugly compared to the sexy 240Z and earlier Z cars. The Z31 is not a completely ugly car, but the shit is far from pretty when compared to the Z32. You can tell when a car is designed nicely, look at the new Z33.. appearance wise its HANDS DOWN one beautiful car.

THe S13 is okay, depending on how its modified. Stock, it has no balls.. so whatever you do to bring that out will make the S13 look good. This is what separates the men from the boys when it comes to making a car look nice. Im not a fan of body kits, i think some fender rolling or pulling, some nice quality wide wheels.. and a nice stance.. you're good to go.


Hahah you are obsessed with looks over performance ;) No offense :rofl:

And FYI, the 280ZX takes its styling cues directly from the 240Z/260Z/280Z, so much so that they utilize many of the same mechanical components. So it's kinda doubletalk to talk tup the looks of the 240-280Z and then slam on the 280ZX. But whatever ;)

A rounded edge doesn't make a car sexy. Case in point, the new VW Beetle, or any new Hyundai. There's nothing wrong with 80's car looks as long as the car in question is *clean*. If this was not so, then the 80's Corrolla hatchback wouldn't be selling for $5K and up.

Again I refer back to my original point that we are a legitimate tuning platform in the Silvia history, a platform that can and does enjoy the same modern techniques and toys the subsequent generations do. SHow yo' respect :p

andrave
10-16-2004, 02:25 PM
everyone has their own tastes, and just about all the platforms mentioned (including the new beetle) can be made to perform brilliantly (hpa anyone?) if the right amount of love, time, and money is invested. Neither the S12 or S13 chassis are amazingly good looking or specatular performers from the factory, so its really a mute point. But anyone, does anyone familiar with S12's know if they share the front suspension with the M30?
I was told that I could swap s13 front suspension on if I went with s13 spindles, controls arms, TC rods, etc. However I don't want to lose my ABS, so I don't know if I coud bolt my M30 brakes onto the s13 spindles, and I'm looking for answers. This seems like an unlikely place to find them, but from what I've seen of 200sx it looks a whole lot like my M30 so I figured its worth a shot.

racer98
10-17-2004, 12:09 PM
thats the next project car but a CA18DET will drop right in it but the wiring will require a lot more work yes the S13 suspension is interchange able and the LSD is too finding some one who has past experence working on these cars will be alot harder


now since in cali you cant do any thing too make it faster for smog laws :nono: you can sorta bend the rules on this b/c the books say for a S12 200sx Turbo CA18ET where as a CA18DET can be some what be put in its place but, we cant do this.


this might not fly with others but if you have the time too do it, it will be a fun project car when finished

they only made the turbo S12's for 84,85 and very few in 86

andrave
10-17-2004, 01:07 PM
yeah wasn't 86 when they started selling the se v6, which sort of replaced the turbo?

old_s13
10-17-2004, 03:55 PM
A rounded edge doesn't make a car sexy. Case in point, the new VW Beetle, or any new Hyundai. There's nothing wrong with 80's car looks as long as the car in question is *clean*. If this was not so, then the 80's Corrolla hatchback wouldn't be selling for $5K and up.

the corolla is a badassed car because its built well, light, and because the 4AGE hauls ass.. its a rev happy motor that isnt so powerful (stock) but is an absolute joy to drive, it can take a hell of a beating. as for the S12, i cant say the same for it.. never driven one so i wont comment, but i cant say i exactly like the car.. thats all.


Hahah you are obsessed with looks over performance No offense

no offense taken. actually, i prefer a mix of styling and performance.. which the S12 doesnt have, again.. just my opinion, no offense.

Farzam
04-23-2007, 08:20 AM
I hate to bump old threads but...

I found a local 85 200sx turbo for sale, which looks to be in immaculate condition.

This thread had a LOT of people saying different things, does anyone know a site I could go to in order to find the truth?

Btw. Keep this thread open. I want to know more info.

Also if you know if there's any stylish aero for these things...

g6civcx
04-23-2007, 08:31 AM
http://www.club-s12.org/

The stock 4cyl engines are crap, including the CA18ET turbo (IMO). That one's too old to have a VG30... probably an N/A CA20E.

KAs, SRs, and CAs bolt into stock mounts. Wiring is up to you though.

Suspension is the biggest biotch, and the main reason I sold my '86, because there was NO info out there back then. Some people swap to S13 front spindles and struts, and I guess you can use S130 280ZX front struts with the stock spindles along with Z31 300ZX rear shocks. Then... figure out springs.

These cars have a cool '80s retro look and the're pretty easy to work on... but it's not really practical to try to make one faster. Best thing is just to keep it stock, maybe throw on some meshies or watanabes, and just rock it as a beater.


I bought his car. Everything he said is true.

Structurally the S12 seems to do better than the S13 because Nissan used thicker sheet metal in the S12. So even though they're older, the S12 usually doesn't have as much rust as the S13. That's also the reason why the S12 is stiffer and weighs more.

There is no aftermarket for drivetrain or suspension unless you do a conversion. So don't plan on being able to swap in parts like you can with the S13.

The engines are old and will need constant maintenance. As said above, any engine bolts in like an S13, but the S12 uses weird tri-state electronics that you would need to ditch and rewire.

It was fun while it lasted. I sold the car to a 16-yo high school girl, and I do not regret it at al.

oldschoolsilvia
04-23-2007, 12:18 PM
I hate to bump old threads but...

I found a local 85 200sx turbo for sale, which looks to be in immaculate condition.

This thread had a LOT of people saying different things, does anyone know a site I could go to in order to find the truth?

Btw. Keep this thread open. I want to know more info.

Also if you know if there's any stylish aero for these things...

Like posted many times before www.club-s12.org All the info you need

And about the body-kit question, there is not anything haha. Erebuni made a kit many many years ago but of course it is not made anymore. You can trim a kit from an S13 to fit onto the S12.....

yarou
04-23-2007, 12:38 PM
i just skimmed through the thread, its a great car if you give it enough love. im sure others have already given you enough info, plus you can always refer to club-s12.org

ill take this opportunity to whore

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f102/nenhenry/ks2.jpg

oldschoolsilvia
04-23-2007, 12:57 PM
Haha I love your car man :bigok:

deadpirate
04-23-2007, 01:19 PM
i just picked up a s12. damn thing is clean as hell!!!!!!!

for being almost 20 years old, and sitting under a oak tree for the past year...there is harldy any rust on it...now spider webs...thats a different story all together

Pank
04-23-2007, 03:52 PM
I happen to love s12's, they're like the nissan ae86, except not really at all

ixfxi
04-23-2007, 07:24 PM
s12's make me want to puke

much like z31's

there are better cars in this world, skip the 80s.. a time when most cars sucked.

this guy, ladies and gentlemen, is a fucking god. listen to his words of wisdom, and stop reviving threads from 1982.

ThatGuy
04-23-2007, 07:27 PM
Hahaha, why don't you just work it out with mrmeph and get that old screen name back? old_s13 = :rofl: :rawk:

Farzam
04-24-2007, 05:40 AM
I'll revive what I want.

And i've been to club-s12...but honestly I kinda hate that site's layout.

I just want to have like a chat with a s12 guru and see if I should bother driving out to test drive the car.

Kn1ves
04-24-2007, 07:15 AM
anyone in the LA area that want to buy an s110, hit me up

ProjNightshade
04-24-2007, 08:34 AM
anyone in the LA area that want to buy an s110, hit me up

is it a coupe or liftback? I'd probably make a drive for the right price for a coupe...got any pics/more info?

oldschoolsilvia
04-24-2007, 12:09 PM
I'll revive what I want.

And i've been to club-s12...but honestly I kinda hate that site's layout.

I just want to have like a chat with a s12 guru and see if I should bother driving out to test drive the car.

I say if the car is clean enough, go take it for it a drive. Im sure its only a few hundred bucks like every other S12 for sell...... I honestly dont think its that bad of a car......

ixfxi
04-24-2007, 02:52 PM
I'll revive what I want.

yeah well...

you're gonna need someone to revive your FACE.

leave this thread alone. the fucking s12 sucks, period.

Pank
04-24-2007, 03:33 PM
yeah well...

you're gonna need someone to revive your FACE.

leave this thread alone. the fucking s12 sucks, period.

nuh uh!!!!
mgslgnth

JewGal
04-24-2007, 04:15 PM
anyone in the LA area that want to buy an s110, hit me up

OOH, an S110. Please post pics.

For all those b*tching about reviving an old thread, why not? After so many years, is the info no longer relevant? Get real.

This thread rocks:mephfawk:

ixfxi
04-24-2007, 08:36 PM
Hahaha, why don't you just work it out with mrmeph and get that old screen name back? old_s13 = :rofl: :rawk:

first of all, its too much work.

second of all, i shouldnt be on this forum... too busy with work.. but god, the shit talking is just so fucking good. its like cocaine. its like that part in OLD SCHOOL when will ferrel starts tasting the beer and says "ahh.. its so good.. cold on the lips.. so good"

third and lastly, i am working diligently on getting re-banned. its part of my self-destructive nature.. you know, part of destroying and eventually rebuilding.

its like, everytime i reinstate myself into zilvia.. its a better, newer version of myself. so, i think i've pretty much expired this life.. i can feel it, getting real close to termination. then, i'll come back a year or two later with...

new_s13

ps: make your sig smaller man, that shit is the biggest waste of bandwidth.

420sx
04-24-2007, 10:12 PM
holly fuckin shit i just saw my old post from like 3 years ago... and mike wasnt banned. memmories memmories

suphamsup
04-24-2007, 10:15 PM
cus u aint got a life lol

420sx
04-24-2007, 10:23 PM
believe me im much better off then you. be cool bitch ;)

ixfxi
04-24-2007, 11:35 PM
cus u aint got a life lol

posts like this are great. they always make me go "huh" and just shake my head.

1) who is this person
2) he has 5 posts
3) hes talking shit

ah yes, forums are great!

yarou
04-25-2007, 01:35 AM
posts like this are great. they always make me go "huh" and just shake my head.

1) who is this person
2) he has 5 posts
3) hes talking shit

ah yes, forums are great!

not to mention a couple red squares

TRD84
04-25-2007, 03:16 AM
man s12's are badass. buddy of mine has one with a ca18det swap. wasnt that hard of a swap. and man, with just a downpipe, fmic with a boostleak, and no tune that car is pushing crazy power. i love the way people look when he smokes them. dont under estimate these cars. sure they might take some work but hell, you will enjoy your time spent. imagine spending less than $3500 on your car and pulling away from a $30,000 evo 9. < thats when i knew i had to get one! good luck to you guys looking for s12's and hope you join the s12 community.

scribbles6
04-25-2007, 03:50 AM
s12's are dumbass clean, my friend had one and it easily kept up with my 240 and it was way toquier, he had an 88 i think with a vg30e. running real good, had lot's of plans but unfurtenately he got in an accident on the freeway with this truck and my friends 240 and we all ate shit. the car sucked ass after, my friend that owned it got sent to texas with the marines, my other friend (took care of it) so he pretty much killed it and it is no longer around. now he has an aw11. pretty nice can almost keep up.

either way. s12's are nice and clean. although there really is no aftermarket for them. if you do find some, you are a lucky ass mother...

johngriff
04-25-2007, 04:29 AM
A badass S12 will Never Exist in the U.S.

Maybe Aus, Maybe Europe.

But no one in the US has the balls to drop more than $20 into an s12. (except maybe eric)

Biggest reason not get an S12: If it is stock, you will look like a drug addict driving it around.

So it would have to be dumped, loud as hell, and on some nice dished wheels for cops to not think you were on your way to get your next fix.

then again... you'll get pulled over anyways

I have owned a couple of them, they are fun little cars.

I would NOT buy another.

NeedCAforS13
04-25-2007, 08:48 AM
A badass S12 will Never Exist in the U.S.

So it would have to be dumped, loud as hell, and on some nice dished wheels for cops to not think you were on your way to get your next fix.

:( mine starts to qualify. sometimes. when it runs haha

check, check, and check.

http://www.sfldrifters.com/gallery/files/5/8/osw5199.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v79/nhanced_civic/Driftday/driftn2.jpg

oldschoolsilvia
04-25-2007, 09:51 AM
either way. s12's are nice and clean. although there really is no aftermarket for them. if you do find some, you are a lucky ass mother...

There are parts out there that work, you just have to know what other cars to get parts off of..... You just have to get creative, isnt that right "needcafors13" the guy who figured out the fox body mustang rear shocks fit on the S12 :loco: haha......

And his car gets my vote for a badass s12 in the US :naughty:

johngriff
04-25-2007, 11:45 AM
Oh sean... I almost forgot, its been so long since i've seen pics of you car.... Do that de swap.... plus we all know florida isnt technically part of the us ;)

ixfxi
04-25-2007, 12:18 PM
JEWGAL

JewGAL.. possibly related to GameJew? hehe

NeedCAforS13
04-25-2007, 12:19 PM
any idea how dett manifolds and stuff would fit in there? I'm sure that would grenade the s12 tranny pretty quick though.

and have you wired up that de yet? haha I'd rather let you invent the wheel, and I'll just copy :P

ixfxi
04-25-2007, 12:20 PM
A badass S12 will Never Exist in the U.S.

>buzzer<

marco's friend had a nice S12 with a sr20det. lots of work.

ixfxi
04-25-2007, 12:22 PM
s12's are dumbass clean, my friend had one and it easily kept up with my 240 and it was way toquier, he had an 88 i think with a vg30e.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g227/scribbles6/sign.jpg

1) i assume thats your 240sx.
2) i assume its powered by a KA24
3) it should be pretty obvious that a vg30 should be able to keepup with a ka24

420sx
04-25-2007, 12:47 PM
what a fucking waste of time and money. just butt ugly car. 80s shit is gross. the hatch is ok i guess, kinda like the corolla but the coupe.... i dont think even a mother would love it why would you?

oldschoolsilvia
04-25-2007, 01:59 PM
what a fucking waste of time and money. just butt ugly car. 80s shit is gross. the hatch is ok i guess, kinda like the corolla but the coupe.... i dont think even a mother would love it why would you?

My mom loves driving my S12, its funny that you said that because my aunt bought the car new in 84 and she is a mom and she loved it also........ :D

Baka Sama
04-25-2007, 02:20 PM
Dont Do It Farzam!!!

Sure it may be cheap and fun but you will regret getting such an old car! Save your money and put it towards your 240sx or towards somethign else. I learned my lesson with my old MK2 Supra... I had all these plans of engine swaps and even a friend who agreed to do it for me for 400.00. Long story short I spent more money fixing and rebuilding the car and never had enough to do the engine swap. I had to sell the car just to break even.

Save your money. The s12 isnt worth spending that much money on. If you want a retro car get a 86. At least it has a strong fan base.

oldschoolsilvia
04-25-2007, 02:28 PM
So you are telling him to not buy an old car because they are to expensive, but then you told him to buy an 86 which is an old car like you said. But isnt spending 2000 or 3000 dollars on just buying a decent 86 expensive?

But I agree with you old cars are expensive, I found that one out myself haha.....

Baka Sama
04-25-2007, 03:14 PM
Well Im saying if he must have a 80's car he should atleast get one with strong aftermarket support.

johngriff
04-25-2007, 03:38 PM
You'll have clearance on the deTT in there, LOTS, its comming out of storage and back over here to get wired, I'll snap pics when it is here. Dude, who cares about grenading the trans, those are like a dime a dozen and dirt cheap, just keep pulling new ones from the yard.

Plus, the ca20 trans holds up against the sr, i think the dett scene will be cool.

yeah, that red hatch was kind of clean, at least a clean swap, he sold it to someone, and I think the car went to hell, and had the engine removed to be swapped into a 13...?? hearsay? idk..

When i say clean, i mean, Clean Aero, good suspension, good power, not "close to stock w/ a swap", muffler shop exhaust with a magnaflow and homedepot intake.

JewGal
04-25-2007, 06:41 PM
So you are telling him to not buy an old car because they are to expensive, but then you told him to buy an 86 which is an old car like you said. But isnt spending 2000 or 3000 dollars on just buying a decent 86 expensive?.....

Part of his screen name is "BAKA".
What did you expect?
:duh:

Baka Sama
04-26-2007, 04:32 AM
Part of his screen name is "BAKA".
What did you expect?
:duh:

Part of your screen name is Jew... So Im surprised you even spent money on a car at all.

Clif notes- Dont Do It!!!! If you MUST do it, atleast buy a car with more aftermarket support and a larger fan base.

yarou
04-26-2007, 05:36 AM
Clif notes- Dont Do It!!!! If you MUST do it, atleast buy a car with more aftermarket support and a larger fan base.

If you are dedicated enough to find out whats out there and available, do research, find the time to see what does in fact work, and have the creativity, skills, and knowledge to make it work, DO IT. And of course assuming that most people who are interested in buying an old car and "tuning" it is an enthusiast , this shouldn't be a problem.

420sx
04-26-2007, 06:17 AM
s12 will never be baller. it will always be that transformer car from the 80s

JewGal
04-26-2007, 03:20 PM
Part of your screen name is Jew... So Im surprised you even spent money on a car at all.

Clif notes- Dont Do It!!!! If you MUST do it, atleast buy a car with more aftermarket support and a larger fan base.

If you ask me, an S12 would be an awesome car to get because of it's lower fan base of ignorant, un-informed [email protected] like, Baka Sama.


If your skilled and don't mind getting creative with your aftermarket gear, an s12's cool.

Baka Sama
04-26-2007, 03:28 PM
Dont get your panties all wet hun. Its just a joke, take it like a man.

Lower fan base = less information = more time figuring stupid shit out = less time driving the car and having fun. It WILL be a money pit. Dont bother, its not that nice of a car. My $0.02.

But then again your an idiot anyway so...... Buy it!!!! Its an awesome deal!

yarou
04-27-2007, 01:17 AM
Dont get your panties all wet hun. Its just a joke, take it like a man.

Lower fan base = less information = more time figuring stupid shit out = less time driving the car and having fun. It WILL be a money pit. Dont bother, its not that nice of a car. My $0.02.

But then again your an idiot anyway so...... Buy it!!!! Its an awesome deal!

There's actually quite a bit of information on club-s12.org, and the money-pit situation will depend on the condition of the car. I know for sure you can build a fun s12 with 3g's and that includes the money spent on buying the actual car, however I'll admit that there will be a lot of DIY work which anyone buying an old car shouldn't be complaining about.

And let me fix that sentence for you Baka Sama, you probably shouldn't sound stupid when you're calling someone else an idiot.

"But then again YOU'RE an idiot anyway"

xcusememisswyn
04-27-2007, 01:27 AM
I would love to get an s12 and drop a few dollars in it. Everytime I find one though, the owner never picks up their phone, or sold it they day before.

Money pit? It's a fun cheap car, I would swap to s13 suspension, run fence pipes on a CA or some stupid shit, and drive the fuck out of it... All that could be done for under 3k and with basic knowledge from club-s12.org. And it would blow away any s13 that you can find for that price nowadays, seems like a damned good deal to me!

plus, custom work makes it all the more fun, Baka's just scared to break a nail or some shit. quit being a bitch and get your hands dirty

and +1 for not sounding stupid in the same post where you call someone else an idiot, think it out next time

ayuaddict
04-27-2007, 01:36 AM
Dont get your panties all wet hun. Its just a joke, take it like a man.

Lower fan base = less information = more time figuring stupid shit out = less time driving the car and having fun. It WILL be a money pit. Dont bother, its not that nice of a car. My $0.02.

But then again your an idiot anyway so...... Buy it!!!! Its an awesome deal!

oh shit, lets keep our cars stock so we can drive them more!

what...the...fuck?

gabe30
04-27-2007, 01:43 AM
i hear about tons of s13's breaking down alot also.. and those are obviously newer..

baka sama.. it sounds like you are lazy.. who cares about the larger fan base.. we obviously know you wouldn't take the time to figure anything out for yourself.. so just let the enthusiasts do it

!Zar!
04-27-2007, 02:27 AM
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http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r118/artlovessilvia/weeaboo.jpg

Baka Sama
04-27-2007, 07:39 AM
I use to go to clubs12.org a long time ago when I was into 80's cars. I think my old SN is still active. Anyway my 2 cents = my own personal opinion. If you dont like it, dont take it. Not to mention he also made another post about how he wants a RWD car that DOESNT look like a box. Unless your really into s12's, What is the purpose of getting it? To be different? 3k can be spent on better things like a s14 or a down payment on a used s2000 IMO. Ive rode in a s12 my old boss use to have and I was not impressed. To those who have them and fix them up, great. More power to you. But I would never get one.

Oh and the idiot thing wasnt ment for JewGal. So yarou, you can chill the fuck out protecting your Hime, Mr. Hero.

ayuaddict, what are you talking about? Really, is anyone here talking about keeping anything stock? No.

What is with Zilvia lately? It must be true what they say. If enough pussys are together long enough they all have their period at the same time..

xcusememisswyn
04-27-2007, 11:02 AM
, What is the purpose of getting it? To be different? 3k can be spent on better things like a s14 or a down payment on a used s2000 IMO. Ive rode in a s12 my old boss use to have and I was not impressed. To those who have them and fix them up, great. More power to you. But I would never get one.

3k into an s12 > 3k into an s14 or down payment, which only turns into another 15k at least. I own both, and I would still drop 3k on s12 if I could get one.

Just think, its two less trips to Europe for your little pen pal, bang an American and drive an s12, life is good!

Baka Sama
04-27-2007, 11:40 AM
xcusememisswyn, Grow up. Its like you guys feed on drama.

Get the s12.

ixfxi
04-27-2007, 01:31 PM
Whats with all the name calling, seriously this is so pathetic.

If we just focused on the main topic, which is the s12 sucks, PERIOD.

I wrote that decades ago. Why continue arguing about stuff I am right about?

JewGal - stop ranting. Its pointless. Sit inside an S12 and you'll realize how amazing it is, the beauty of its 1980s interior. Seriously.... PICK ANOTHER CAR.

Bakasama - shuttup. Stop egging people on.

Everyone else - Die.

Thank you.

420sx
04-27-2007, 02:02 PM
bro, you forgot to say *fuck you very much*! haha

Baka Sama
04-27-2007, 02:16 PM
Whats with all the name calling, seriously this is so pathetic.

If we just focused on the main topic, which is the s12 sucks, PERIOD.

Farzam - stop ranting. Its pointless. Sit inside an S12 and you'll realize how amazing it is, the beauty of its 1980s interior. Seriously.... PICK ANOTHER CAR.

Everyone - Die.

Thank you.

Fixed, Your welcome