JZ swap cost stupid expensive

[s13_st]

I've done my research about doing the swap/rebuild. I add up the total cost of parts and it comes out to roughly 20,000. But when I search JZ swap costs on the forums, people are posting some super low costs for the engine + parts needed (3,000-6,000). I remember when my stock sr swap/rebuild was about 7000. My list consists of everything for the jz to run like a new STOCK long block except fuel delivery upgrade and bigger turbo. I can't say I didn't expect these figures, but why is everyone else's investment so far from mine haha. *I swear against backyard/junkyard ideology builds. Something to discuss about?

[simmode1]

I personally have never heard anyone quote $3k to $6k for a 1/2JZ swap... Maybe for an N/A, but certainly not turbo. What I normally hear is around $10k to $12k. I mean, a lot of money can be saved buying used or aggressively shopping for discounts/group buys. Never heard as high as $20k for any stock swap. That's nuts to me.

Probably the cheapest non-native engine I've heard of swapped into the S-Chassis is the VQ at around $7k if you used the FWD version. 1UZ maybe, but ugh. Why? lol

[s13_st]

If I leave out the standalone, the turbo rebuild, twin disc + flywheel, wiring harness, custom exhaust + intake + hard pipes, gauges, oil cooler, converters for tach and speedo, tune. 12k is a possibility and a few other pluses. 12k is def a possibility.

[spooled240]

you must be pricing out brand new, top notch parts. Were you planning on going with a v16x as well? :P

[s13_st]

I like to pamper myself from time to time jk. I'm just doing OEM parts as far as motor stuff goes.

[spooled240]

I'd just get the car running reliably then worry about the performance stuff later. Get the engine running on the stock ecu, stock oil cooler, bypass valve, etc. Then do the blingy shit later like the standalone, etc.

[rawgarage]

I'd just get the car running reliably then worry about the performance stuff later. Get the engine running on the stock ecu, stock oil cooler, bypass valve, etc. Then do the blingy shit later like the standalone, etc.


what he said...

[Corbic]

If I leave out the standalone, the turbo rebuild, twin disc + flywheel, wiring harness, custom exhaust + intake + hard pipes, gauges, oil cooler, converters for tach and speedo, tune. 12k is a possibility and a few other pluses. 12k is def a possibility.



Turbo Rebuild?

Step away from the keyboard and put your credit card away. You are. It ready.

[spooled240]

seriously at 20k you're approaching 20B territory lol

[Corbic]

seriously at 20k you're approaching 20B territory lol



At $20k just buy a car that's actually cool...

[s13_st]

All true. But a 1jz swap has been on my mind for many years. I never really coped with the "just get it going first and then worry about the pluses later" idea very well. I am a pre-planner. I want to map out what I want and know the cost of it, and then dive into the project. Much love and respect for the rotary's and the 7's but not for me. I have a tuned Evo X as well, but I want to get rid of it for a daily driver...

[rawgarage]

I never really coped with the "just get it going first and then worry about the pluses later" idea very well. I am a pre-planner.

I'll be here for the part out when you get too deep and I'll pay pennies on the dollar

[lunchmeat]

I'd just get the car running reliably then worry about the performance stuff later. Get the engine running on the stock ecu, stock oil cooler, bypass valve, etc. Then do the blingy shit later like the standalone, etc.
This. All of it. You can pre-plan all you want, but get it road worthy first. Enjoy it for a bit. Do it in steps. If you park it for a while, with little or no progress, you will lose interest. Seen way to many projects end up going to shit like that. Myself included. I planned out a project car back in 2004, went full tilt on it, then life happened. Got parked for a while, money and time got scarce, and it sat idle for years. I still haven't finished it yet.

[Corbic]

All true. But a 1jz swap has been on my mind for many years. I never really coped with the "just get it going first and then worry about the pluses later" idea very well. I am a pre-planner. I want to map out what I want and know the cost of it, and then dive into the project. Much love and respect for the rotary's and the 7's but not for me. I have a tuned Evo X as well, but I want to get rid of it for a daily driver...



Ever swapped an engine?

[RalliartRsX]

If I leave out the standalone, the turbo rebuild, twin disc + flywheel, wiring harness, custom exhaust + intake + hard pipes, gauges, oil cooler, converters for tach and speedo, tune. 12k is a possibility and a few other pluses. 12k is def a possibility.

1) Turbo rebuild?? Why??
2) Why are you purchasing custom exhaust and induction pipes? There are a multitude of brands which already make conforming parts which are MUCH cheaper than custom and just makes more sense
3) A stock setup does not need a "tune". Get it running first on the stock ECU
4) If you have the proper wiring harness, why are tach converters needed??

I would highly recommend you keep it as simple a stock swap as possible, which also tremendously reduces your cost of admission and downtime

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=594842

Check that link out for all the detailed swap info.

[AwhiteS13]

If I leave out the standalone, the turbo rebuild, twin disc + flywheel, wiring harness, custom exhaust + intake + hard pipes, gauges, oil cooler, converters for tach and speedo, tune. 12k is a possibility and a few other pluses. 12k is def a possibility.


Like what are you even asking then.

Of course your gonna dump 20k if you rebuild and replace everything.

twin disc clutch, flywheel, custom this, that, rebuilt turbo. You said you've built an SR before, so why are you surprised?


1JZ with the essentials is going to be cheaper, duh.

[s13_st]

d15, f22, 2uz, and an sr. Done a couple of other rebuilds, just not jz. I'm not surprised by the price. This was meant to be a discussion for others who've done the swap who can chime in. This also isn't my daily driver so I'm not concerned about getting it on the road ASAP.

[s13_st]

Why are people evening questioning why I'm having a turbo rebuilt. Everyone has different definitions of essentials, and that's one of mine with an old engine.

[s13_st]

Someone said there are a lot of hard pipes and intake available for the swap but all I see is cx racing and I've never had good luck with fitment and quality from them. So custom it is.

[RalliartRsX]

Why are people evening questioning why I'm having a turbo rebuilt. Everyone has different definitions of essentials, and that's one of mine with an old engine.

A twin disk, custom everything and a stand alone ECU are NOT considered essentials............

https://i.imgflip.com/1ayopv.jpg

[s13_st]

I'll give you the twin disc.

[s13_st]

And no, not custom everything.

[s13_st]

Thank you experts for the words of encouragement. I hope my JZ swap will be as great as yours one day.

[RalliartRsX]

Don't get offended, but a very similar post to yours pops up daily. If research was done, this post would not exist (and I provided a link to a full step by step swap and parts guide for you to come a much more precise figure in regards to cost).

And time and time again, it ether
1) Doesn't get off the ground
2) Goes about as far as a shell and the purchase of a ton a parts and the purchase of even more unnecessary parts, at which point reality sets in and a feverish partout ensues shortly after..........at which point everything is sold for cents on the dollar because OP and girlfriend broke up, they need a house and now everything needs to go........

Double - triple the price to build a 6 cylinder vs a 4 cylinder is a good baseline.

Either way, good luck! Not my money or m problem lol

[spooled240]

https://i.imgflip.com/1ayqjb.jpg

[s13_st]

Like I said, this isnt my first project. I'm not some kid that's still in high school trying to ride the hype you know? I know the struggle of carrying motivation to finish builds. I've already been there years ago. I just wanted a discussion of a topic, I wasn't really ranting about the costs. I still plan to repaint the entire chassis, mild suspension and body work. My build goes beyond just the cost of this jz swap. I'm well aware of the expenses of doing a build. But when someone says that they'll wait until I fail and give up. Like what's the point of that...I already have more money saved up than I need to complete this swap.

[s13_st]

You spend so much time flaming people for how much money they spend building, but you never flame the companies that charge an arm and a leg for these parts.

[RalliartRsX]

P.S Why do you need to rebuild the turbo if you are going to a bigger turbo anyways??

It's things like this that make my brain............

https://misprintedpages.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/mind-blown-gif.gif?w=662

[s13_st]

Because I'm not going with a bigger turbo :) If I did plan on a bigger turbo, I wouldnt waste $750 on a rebuild. Like I said...this isn't my first project.

[Corbic]

Thank you experts for the words of encouragement. I hope my JZ swap will be as great as yours one day.



Are you like 16?

I don't think you've ever swapped anything. If you had, you'd understand how silly you sound.

You are seriously rebuilding the POS C16 turbos? Why? They are garbage. You don't need a twin disk, ECU, FMIC, exhaust or anything to run those chokers.

You are looking at all of this backwards.
Also, fuck the 1JZ.

Proper Build-

Start with a USDM VVT-i 2JZ for $500
The VVT-i is worth 50hp once tuned.

Now all your parts and specs will be easy to acquire. Have a custom turbo manifold built for $1,200-$1,500. Modify your stock intake, get some turbo valve covers.


Now buy the Collins adapter and clutch setup. It's like $1,600 and comes with a clutch. Have a 1pc shaft made at your local. Now you can run a CD009 for $500. It's stronger, cheaper and better shifting then a R154 and a W58 is a pile of shit.

If your gonna build, use Manley Pro H-beams.

Best to use a cam driven mechanical fuel pump and FIC injectors.

Run a MS3 Pro for a stand alone. Or AEM if your a dork.

My friends 2JZ build is coming along nicely. Entire swap he'll be about $10k deep and making 1k WHP with billet main caps. He is doing all the fab work and assembly himself.

If you are going to keep the stock turbos or run a W58, save your time and money. You'll struggle to get past 350whp.

Just swap a RB25 or 5.3/LS1/ Ford 302.

Jason made 390whp on his stock block RB25 before saying fuck it and going 2JZ. He had maybe $5k into that swap. But once again, he did all the wiring and fab and used a Z32 ECU.

[spooled240]

I wouldn't mess with a GE block. You can get vvti GTE's for $2k and that already comes with the FFIM, oil squirters, bulletproof internals and the Aristo A350 trans that you could sell for a couple hundred.

[s13_st]

Are you like 16?

I don't think you've ever swapped anything. If you had, you'd understand how silly you sound.

You are seriously rebuilding the POS C16 turbos? Why? They are garbage. You don't need a twin disk, ECU, FMIC, exhaust or anything to run those chokers.

You are looking at all of this backwards.
Also, fuck the 1JZ.

Proper Build-

Start with a USDM VVT-i 2JZ for $500
The VVT-i is worth 50hp once tuned.

Now all your parts and specs will be easy to acquire. Have a custom turbo manifold built for $1,200-$1,500. Modify your stock intake, get some turbo valve covers.


Now buy the Collins adapter and clutch setup. It's like $1,600 and comes with a clutch. Have a 1pc shaft made at your local. Now you can run a CD009 for $500. It's stronger, cheaper and better shifting then a R154 and a W58 is a pile of shit.

If your gonna build, use Manley Pro H-beams.

Best to use a cam driven mechanical fuel pump and FIC injectors.

Run a MS3 Pro for a stand alone. Or AEM if your a dork.

My friends 2JZ build is coming along nicely. Entire swap he'll be about $10k deep and making 1k WHP with billet main caps. He is doing all the fab work and assembly himself.

If you are going to keep the stock turbos or run a W58, save your time and money. You'll struggle to get past 350whp.

Just swap a RB25 or 5.3/LS1/ Ford 302.

Jason made 390whp on his stock block RB25 before saying fuck it and going 2JZ. He had maybe $5k into that swap. But once again, he did all the wiring and fab and used a Z32 ECU.
All I did was read several different writeups and walkthroughs to do the jz swap. And other tips for some of its weak points. So don't shoot the messenger. You are entitled to think w/e you want, I won't argue with you. If you have more experience then hats off to you. Not running an intercooler with a car that has FI is silly to me. But thanks for taking the time for posting.

[Corbic]

All I did was read several different writeups and walkthroughs to do the jz swap. And other tips for some of its weak points. So don't shoot the messenger. You are entitled to think w/e you want, I won't argue with you. If you have more experience then hats off to you. Not running an intercooler with a car that has FI is silly to me. But thanks for taking the time for posting.



Who said that? I said FMIC.

They come with a stock SMIC. Just have that rebuilt....

[rawgarage]

Hahahahahhah

[tricky_ab]

...I sure do miss cheaper SR parts...

[Corbic]

OP ran off and is hiding from his shame.

[inopsey]

Also, fuck the 1JZ.



whats wrong with the 1jz

[smoked240]

Rb25 swap down to a 1pcs driveshaft and a stage 2 clutch for 5k

[Corbic]

whats wrong with the 1jz



What is right with it?

It's the RB20 of the JZ world.

You are talking about saving like $300 to have an inferior engine.

[tuzzio]

If youre 20K deep into a JZ swap it better be making some serious numbers.

An auto 2jz swap is 2K.

I could see $10K being a much more realistic number for a reasonably modded jz

[Corbic]

If youre 20K deep into a JZ swap it better be making some serious numbers.

An auto 2jz swap is 2K.

I could see $10K being a much more realistic number for a reasonably modded jz



$6-10k is the number.

Engine and Trans maybe cheap, but everything else will nickel and dime you.

[simmode1]

At $20k, just buy a fucking Supra or some equivalent.

Dafuq is wrong with you?

[Corbic]

At $20k, just buy a fucking Supra or some equivalent.

Dafuq is wrong with you?



But it won't have rebuilt C16 turbos!

Also, a TT Supra is more like $40k these days.

[inopsey]

What is right with it?

It's the RB20 of the JZ world.

You are talking about saving like $300 to have an inferior engine.

maybe the 2jz is superior for lag and not torque


1jz thread making full torque around 3k rpm 300 whp on a real dyno

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=500787

2jz making about 400 hp on a number jet dyno (about the same whp as on e real dyno dynamics dyno) full torque at about 5200 rpm

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/sc-1st-gen-1992-2000/462702-dyno-results-pt6262-billet-2jzgte-automatic.html

im going to stop here since we all should know not to question the internet god named corbic

[Corbic]

im going to stop here since we all should know not to question the internet god named corbic


That's the only thing intelligent you posted.

So you want to compare a VVTi Manual 1JZ on a Mustang Dyno with whatever small ass stock location turbo to a Non-VVTi Automatic 2JZ with a PT6262 on a Dynojet.

6262 is also a what, 700hp Turbo and he's only making 450? Omfg lag?

I'm sure your going to spout off some internet nonsense about 1JZ heads but the realty is they don't flow any better then the 2JZ NA heads. I'll take the off the shelf pets and 500cc of displacement thank you.

Fuckers pay $3k+ for 200cc stroker kits. Why would I pay more to get a smaller displacement engine made from harder to get parts?

[inopsey]

That's the only thing intelligent you posted.

So you want to compare a VVTi Manual 1JZ on a Mustang Dyno with whatever small ass stock location turbo to a Non-VVTi Automatic 2JZ with a PT6262 on a Dynojet.

6262 is also a what, 700hp Turbo and he's only making 450? Omfg lag?

I'm sure your going to spout off some internet nonsense about 1JZ heads but the realty is they don't flow any better then the 2JZ NA heads. I'll take the off the shelf pets and 500cc of displacement thank you.

Fuckers pay $3k+ for 200cc stroker kits. Why would I pay more to get a smaller displacement engine made from harder to get parts?

ok heres a stock 2jz with stock turbos

still only gets full boost at 4k rpm while the 'inferior' 1jz is 1k rpm earlier

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/performance-and-maintenance/609060-2jz-gte-vvti-stock-twin-numbers.html

shouldnt you be trolling a mustang form with all your shit talk of displacement being such a great advantage to make power?

[Corbic]

ok heres a stock 2jz with stock turbos



still only gets full boost at 4k rpm while the 'inferior' 1jz is 1k rpm earlier



http://www.clublexus.com/forums/performance-and-maintenance/609060-2jz-gte-vvti-stock-twin-numbers.html



shouldnt you be trolling a mustang form with all your shit talk of displacement being such a great advantage to make power?



"Full Boost" what the fuck are you even blabbering about.

You are comparing two completely different modified engines on two completely different dyno systems.

How is a 1JZ going to make more power if everything is the same except the displacement?

Here ya go.

http://dustrunnersauto.com/1jz-vs-2jz/

As far as trolling. If you are so worried about how soon you get "full boost", just do what I did....

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Cobrahhh/DD4C47C8-5666-4459-AC76-46B7F7D816F5_zps2uzfy2ev.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Cobrahhh/DD4C47C8-5666-4459-AC76-46B7F7D816F5_zps2uzfy2ev.jpg.html)

[conrad_s13.5]

if it means anything...

I spent less than 7k to do a proper 1jz swap, and its been the best choice Ive made with this shitbox s13 so far.
Mods: FMIC, Competition Clutch, 1pc driveshaft, exhaust, bigger intake, stock boost.

I planned to upgrade turbo, injectors and shit eventually but stock is everything I always wanted my built SR's to be.

I daily this car, drive it to the track, drive the track, drive home and to work the next morning.

In 2.5 solid years of abuse Ive replaced a powersteering pump (I may or may not have been at fault for destroying) and an ALT.
Both parts which and can be bought locally. Another plus

1JZs are neat.

[simmode1]

But it won't have rebuilt C16 turbos!

Also, a TT Supra is more like $40k these days.
Geezus fucking Christ.. It's been so long since I've even bothered to look... Looked at local CL to verify and shit yeah... there was a damn N/A listed for $40k. Bihhhhh...

Ok well, anyways... there are a number of other cars I'd prefer to spend $20k on rather than JZ swapping a 20-30 year old shit box.

$10k is my limit as far has how much I'd want to pour into a 240.

[Corbic]

Geezus fucking Christ.. It's been so long since I've even bothered to look... Looked at local CL to verify and shit yeah... there was a damn N/A listed for $40k. Bihhhhh...

Ok well, anyways... there are a number of other cars I'd prefer to spend $20k on rather than JZ swapping a 20-30 year old shit box.

$10k is my limit as far has how much I'd want to pour into a 240.



This goes back to just grab a SC300, they come with 2Js lol.

I'd build a Boostang. Sucker is basically a badass drag/street right from the get go. Easy to build rear and suspension. If you want Auto a th400 is dirt cheap.

This guy built a 200mph 1000whp stang for like $10k total.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/static.carthrottle.com/workspace/uploads/posts/2015/04/2ektawj-552bdc23add8f.jpg

[Corbic]

Geezus fucking Christ.. It's been so long since I've even bothered to look... Looked at local CL to verify and shit yeah... there was a damn N/A listed for $40k. Bihhhhh...



Back in like 2005 Super Street listed their top $10k used car picks. It was like EM1 Si, NA Supra, GSX, and Impreza RS.

They then had their $10k S13 build to show how it could stomp stock Evos and STis.