New clutch already worn out? Safe to just reuse pressure plate and flywheel?

[choleaoum]

I bought a brand new ACT 6 puck clutch from FRSport and it's already hitting the metal sleeves on the clutch disc! I didn't do any clutch kicks and put barely any miles on it. And yes, I'm a great driver and babied the car.

I saw on eBay they were selling just the disc for 160$~, would I be able to reuse the pressure plate considering the flywheel & pressure plate are practically brand new? There are very very minor hot spots, but I'll have it resurfaced and ask the machinest.

Before I hear it,
I KNOW it saves time to buy a new clutch setup, but I can't dish out an another additional 400$+ for a clutch. I'm thousands in the hole and I can barely drive the car. There are other priorities at the moment, in a perfect world I would just buy a new clutch kit. It also only took me 2 hours to pull my engine out.

Additional notes: The clutch grabs very hard, and doesn't slip at all. The learning curve was very rough, but that's what I expect from a 6 puck sprung. I wouldn't have known the clutch was hitting the metal sleeves on the disc until I pulled the motor out to respray the engine bay.

[anti tyler]

Before you go buying a new clutch, have you absolutely determined it is defective? If it is in fact 109% defective, why don't you warranty it.


Did you have a 'professional' install it? I know at least through most programs they require a proof of professional install and alignment.

[Bnr32gtr]

Sounds like u might not have any/ enough clutch petal free play. If u have no free play just at idling/driving car clutch is riding whole time, will burn up disk in no time. I see it all them time when guys do 5 speed swaps and take all the slop out of the linkage

[KAT-PWR]

My money is on improper install

[jedi03]

I have seen several trucks where driver holds foot on/over the clutch wear it out in less than 2k miles...

[Kingtal0n]

Anyone else ever notice that the more you spend on one of those traditional type single disc clutch,

the less material you seem to get?

If torque is < 300~ I would just use a full face disc, like stock

[choleaoum]

It was a proper install, I've installed a hundred of clutches. There's freeplay in my clutch pedal. The clutch is out of warranty, I bought it years ago and the car just sat. It never smelled like clutch either.

[pacotaco345]

And yes, I'm a great driver and babied the car.

It also only took me 2 hours to pull my engine out.


Dang between you being an expert driver and a master mechanic I woulda figured you either knew how to fix it or made enough money to buy a new clutch.

[KAT-PWR]

Dang between you being an expert driver and a master mechanic I woulda figured you either knew how to fix it or made enough money to buy a new clutch.


Fucking. Done.

:rofl:

[JM216S14]

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This the clutch?

[zombiewolf513]

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[2.5T_/<ouki]

What symptoms were you having that lead you to inspect/pull the clutch?

[cotbu]

The friction material fused to the flywheel and probably the pressure plate.
The problem here is you should have felt this the first time you put it in gear after hiatus. The disc job is to grab the pp and flywheel, id say it did that job too well.;)

I mean look at all the rust it was inevitable, whine and cry to frsport and they might send you a new one even though the fault is not theirs.

[choleaoum]

Dang between you being an expert driver and a master mechanic I woulda figured you either knew how to fix it or made enough money to buy a new clutch.

I wasn't aware that asking for second opinions somehow invalidates everything and became a heinous crime. Weird how that works. Despite your illiteracy (I'm sorry if your dyslexic), you must have missed the part where my priorities are elsewhere such as purchasing a home and investing. Unless you just completely lack critical thinking.

Regardless, I spoke with ACT directly on the phone and said it should be alright to just buy a new clutch disc since my pressure plate wasn't warped and the hot spots were very minor. He states that the 6 puck clutch wears down very quickly and it should not be meant for daily driving.

As far as symptoms, there were no symptoms. I'm repainting my engine bay and I figured I would take a look.

[zombiewolf513]

Still shouldn't wear down that fast. You should be able to get at least 15,000 miles out of it

Did you install the friction disk backwards?

[choleaoum]

Unlikely considering there's a sticker that indicates the direction lol. That's what I'm assuming but he said with excessive stop and go driving will cause wear because the clutch is so stiff. It's totally fine though, I'm going to put the pressure plate on a lathe and use a dial indicator to see if it's warped. If it's all good, I'll just buy another friction disc. If worse comes to worse, I will just have to buy a whole new clutch or put the project on hold. The minute I keep buying more things for the car it becomes and endless spending spree.

[anti tyler]

Unlikely considering there's a sticker that indicates the direction lol. That's what I'm assuming but he said with excessive stop and go driving will cause wear because the clutch is so stiff. It's totally fine though, I'm going to put the pressure plate on a lathe and use a dial indicator to see if it's warped. If it's all good, I'll just buy another friction disc. If worse comes to worse, I will just have to buy a whole new clutch or put the project on hold. The minute I keep buying more things for the car it becomes and endless spending spree.


Just whatever you do, make sure you get a disc and plate that's rated for your setup.

[pacotaco345]

I wasn't aware that asking for second opinions somehow invalidates everything and became a heinous crime. Weird how that works. Despite your illiteracy (I'm sorry if your dyslexic), you must have missed the part where my priorities are elsewhere such as purchasing a home and investing. Unless you just completely lack critical thinking.

Regardless, I spoke with ACT directly on the phone and said it should be alright to just buy a new clutch disc since my pressure plate wasn't warped and the hot spots were very minor. He states that the 6 puck clutch wears down very quickly and it should not be meant for daily driving.

As far as symptoms, there were no symptoms. I'm repainting my engine bay and I figured I would take a look.

You might lack critical thinking, because if you had any common sense you woudn't have believed ACT when they told you its normal for a clutch to wear out so fast. I have 15k on my 6 puck with a handfull of events, street drifting and stop and go traffic. My car makes around 300 hp/tq and its an ebay clutch. EBAY.

And before you come back and say "oh the car had a few thousand miles on it, that's what I meant by barely any miles", you said you babied the car. No one babies their 1990s nissan shitbox for thousands of miles, and if you did a stock clutch woulda done you fine for tens of thousands of miles. Provide some useful details next time like mileage, pictures, and power numbers instead of pointless ones like how you're a great driver and you pulled the motor in two hours. Speaking of pointless details, since you like to brag about your mechanical skills, driving ability, grammatical correctness and financial life, I own a house; you're more than welcome to bring your car by and I'll help you figure out your problem.

Lastly, so I don't get an infraction for not offering a solution; you can throw another disc at it, but unless the disc was the problem in the first place you'll just burn through that in another (I assume) 500 miles. I suggest actually finding what's wrong with the car before throw more money at ACT. Whether it be install error, driver error, a faulty part or something else. If you leave everything the same you'll get the same result. Post some pictures and numbers so we have something to work with.

[Kingtal0n]

Did you pack the recess in the TOB sleeve with molybdenum sulfide grease as per FSM spec? Did you also apply said grease to the face of the TOB? and Input shaft?

[2.5T_/<ouki]

And before you come back and say "oh the car had a few thousand miles on it, that's what I meant by barely any miles", you said you babied the car. No one babies their 1990s nissan shitbox for thousands of miles

I baby my "shitbox". Just because it's an old car and fu*kbois don't take care of it doesn't mean everyone is that way. I like driving a clean babied ride.

[AquaX]

Paco needs to stfu lol what a loser. To the OP, are you sure no one else drove your car or "borrowed" it? I'm betting someone that doesn't know how to drive took it for a joyride.


Also +1 for babying your ride, especially considering how rare and desirable the 240sx has become. After all its not a Hyundai :p

[JM216S14]

It was a proper install, I've installed a hundred of clutches. There's freeplay in my clutch pedal. The clutch is out of warranty, I bought it years ago and the car just sat. It never smelled like clutch either.

If it was installed properly and you know exactly what you are doing then why are you even posting?

[Kingtal0n]

I prefer automatic transmission for this reason: no clutch to change every 10-50k.

Oh also, its faster

[2.5T_/<ouki]

I prefer automatic transmission for this reason: no clutch to change every 10-50k.

Oh also, its faster

I like being in control of my car.

[pacotaco345]

I prefer automatic transmission for this reason: no clutch to change every 10-50k.

Oh also, its faster
This guy's onto something


I baby my "shitbox". Just because it's an old car and fu*kbois don't take care of it doesn't mean everyone is that way. I like driving a clean babied ride.
I didn't say people don't take care of their car. My car looks and drives like a "clean babied ride" and I don't baby it, fuckboi.


Paco needs to stfu lol what a loser. To the OP, are you sure no one else drove your car or "borrowed" it? I'm betting someone that doesn't know how to drive took it for a joyride.


Also +1 for babying your ride, especially considering how rare and desirable the 240sx has become. After all its not a Hyundai :p
You need to go back to high school stfulolroflloser. If someone drove OP's car without him knowing he has bigger problems.

[2.5T_/<ouki]

I didn't say people don't take care of their car. My car looks and drives like a "clean babied ride" and I don't baby it, fuckboi.

Ok cutie ;). Hope your day gets better.

[Kingtal0n]

I like being in control of my car.

They have a computer that we use to dial/control exactly when I want the trans to shift, and how hard I want it to shift based on TPS position and engine vacuum. It does this with consistency that cannot be matched by a manual transmission. It also has a clutch which simulates the 1:1 connection between engine and input shaft, exactly like a manual trasmission, so you cannot even tell the difference at the wheel speed (eliminates converter slippage) and yes some can do this under WOT with Nitrous/Boost.

Anyone that posts what you just posted "blah blah blah control" has never been in a vehicle with a fully built automatic behind a twin turbo V8 engine.

[2.5T_/<ouki]

They have a computer that we use to dial/control exactly when I want the trans to shift, and how hard I want it to shift based on TPS position and engine vacuum. It does this with consistency that cannot be matched by a manual transmission. It also has a clutch which simulates the 1:1 connection between engine and input shaft, exactly like a manual trasmission, so you cannot even tell the difference at the wheel speed (eliminates converter slippage) and yes some can do this under WOT with Nitrous/Boost.

Anyone that posts what you just posted "blah blah blah control" has never been in a vehicle with a fully built automatic behind a twin turbo V8 engine.

Sounds pretty fun, but again, I like being in control, meaning pressing the clutch and shifting. I guess I've never been behing a twin turbo V8 engine lol. Hope your day gets better also.

[Kingtal0n]

I like being in control, meaning pressing the clutch and shifting.

If I have a button in front of me, and everytime I press it, you get a shock. Is that not control? I dont need a clutch to push or shifter to move- that just wastes time. And If I set my button to auto press itself- isnt that also a form of control?

I think you need to re-define your version of what is a "control system".

[2.5T_/<ouki]

If I have a button in front of me, and everytime I press it, you get a shock. Is that not control? I dont need a clutch to push or shifter to move- that just wastes time. And If I set my button to auto press itself- isnt that also a form of control?

I think you need to re-define your version of what is a "control system".

I never said what a "control system is", which would more than likely be the ECU if we are talking vehicles. Not everybody is about "going fast", but nonetheless, your ride sounds awesome. Don't get all bent out of shape. Have a good day.

[choleaoum]

You might lack critical thinking, because if you had any common sense you woudn't have believed ACT when they told you its normal for a clutch to wear out so fast. I have 15k on my 6 puck with a handfull of events, street drifting and stop and go traffic. My car makes around 300 hp/tq and its an ebay clutch. EBAY.

And before you come back and say "oh the car had a few thousand miles on it, that's what I meant by barely any miles", you said you babied the car. No one babies their 1990s nissan shitbox for thousands of miles, and if you did a stock clutch woulda done you fine for tens of thousands of miles. Provide some useful details next time like mileage, pictures, and power numbers instead of pointless ones like how you're a great driver and you pulled the motor in two hours. Speaking of pointless details, since you like to brag about your mechanical skills, driving ability, grammatical correctness and financial life, I own a house; you're more than welcome to bring your car by and I'll help you figure out your problem.

Lastly, so I don't get an infraction for not offering a solution; you can throw another disc at it, but unless the disc was the problem in the first place you'll just burn through that in another (I assume) 500 miles. I suggest actually finding what's wrong with the car before throw more money at ACT. Whether it be install error, driver error, a faulty part or something else. If you leave everything the same you'll get the same result. Post some pictures and numbers so we have something to work with.

You only validated my point. I don't have a 1990 shitbox, I have a swapped SR20 510. You obviously have terrible critical thinking skills. Especially since you opted for an eBay clutch and you want to take jabs at someone elses financial decisions. You seem to have the case of little man syndrome since you have the need to talk about owning a home, neither was I bragging about my mechanical skills. It was useful information to note for other readers that I am saavy with a wrench. I did not correct your grammar anywhere, not even sure where your getting that assumption from. Unless your stating that I'm a shitbag because I don't type like I'm 12?

You have contributed nothing. You even go to state that I lack critical thinking skills and I lack common sense because I listened to the technician who works for the company that manufactures the clutch I am using? Not sure if you are serious. :picardfp:

[zombiewolf513]

You probably had some gunk or something on the flywheel or pressure plate. Didn't seat properly and destroyed the friction surfaces.

[Psychomoongoose]

You still never answered Kingtal0n

Did you pack the recess in the TOB sleeve with molybdenum sulfide grease as per FSM spec? Did you also apply said grease to the face of the TOB? and Input shaft?

[FaLKoN240]

Please don't use the report post button because someone hurt your feelings.

[Z32TwinTurbo]

I find it so unusual that a bunch of 30 year old men are sitting on a forum talking shit to each other over a worn clutch. You have my permission to slap me if I am acting like this when I'm 30 :down: :confused:

[bardabe]

I find it so unusual that a bunch of 30 year old men are sitting on a forum talking shit to each other over a worn clutch. You have my permission to slap me if I am acting like this when I'm 30 :down: :confused:

When you have done something right in life and have a Carreer that pretty much allows you to fuck around at all times you start to get bored and need to kill time at different times of the day (like when you are installing new OS on a support call, or someone is installing new software / phone system in your office). Chances are the question he is asking has been answered in the infinite depths of zilvia. "Search N00b" is nowhere near as fun as hurting feelings.

[pacotaco345]

I like how OP still hasn't provided any useful information like what was involved when he installed the clutch or god forbid SOME PICTURES OF WHAT HAPPENED.

Look dude you can hate me all you want and make friends with all the ACT reps but their job is to sell you product. If you fucked a clutch and they can make it seem like they're helping you by getting you to spend another $160 bucks before actually figuring out the problem that's what they're gonna do. So stop telling us pointless crap like the chassis the motorset is in, your driving skill, your mechanical skill, your financial situation, etc. You just open yourself to look like an idiot.

Pull your head out of your ass and listen to what zombiewolf, Kingtal0n, KAT-PWR and I have been saying instead of getting butthurt. Who knows you might get a running car out of it.

edit: you can report that too I'm okay with a timeout

[choleaoum]

I like how OP still hasn't provided any useful information like what was involved when he installed the clutch or god forbid SOME PICTURES OF WHAT HAPPENED.

Look dude you can hate me all you want and make friends with all the ACT reps but their job is to sell you product. If you fucked a clutch and they can make it seem like they're helping you by getting you to spend another $160 bucks before actually figuring out the problem that's what they're gonna do. So stop telling us pointless crap like the chassis the motorset is in, your driving skill, your mechanical skill, your financial situation, etc. You just open yourself to look like an idiot.

Pull your head out of your ass and listen to what zombiewolf, Kingtal0n, KAT-PWR and I have been saying instead of getting butthurt. Who knows you might get a running car out of it.

edit: you can report that too I'm okay with a timeout

:picardfp: Boy are you still here? The thread is done, I already replaced my clutch. I'm going to listen to the ACT reps. You must not have anything better to do. Get over it.

[Kingtal0n]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a90/kingtal0n/Kingtal0ns_240sx_2/P1220540_zpsqqdkl1gt.jpg


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a90/kingtal0n/Kingtal0ns_240sx_2/th_P1220538_zpsodafde6q.jpg

you gota lube the recess where the shaft rides before trying to stick it back in