I want out...

[HaLo]

Do you guys know ANYONE that could sell me a S14 SR20DE motorset (engine, harness, ecu, maf)? You read right... No "T"...

I can't afford to rebuild my SR20DET and I really don't want to buy another motorset to blow it to pieces...

If I can find somewhere to get that motorset, I might be putting a LOT of things for sale soon...

[AKADriver]

I'd go back to KA24DE if you want to go N/A, but that's just me. Get a nice clean S14 KA24DE with no swirl control and no AIV.

Check out what some people have done with relatively simple mods. One of the guys that instructs at a lot of the track events in my area has his '98 240SX making 161hp at the wheels with a homebrew intake, N1 dual, JWT cams, JWT ECU, and that's IT. That's getting close to stock SR20DET territory... and the 154lb-ft he makes would never be attainable from an SR20DE.

[HaLo]

Maybe so... But S14 SR20DE has VTC, makes 160hp stock, has a higher redline, will make close to the same power as KA with same mods... +, I won't have to buy a lightened flywheel or performance clutch, since I already have them. ;)

I also believe a bit lighter. ;)

[DRIFTING_SIL_EIGHTY]

i maybe able to locate one for you. the only thing though is that im in cali and shipping im assuming will be expensive. if your interested ill get some quotes for you by this weekend.

[TheTimanator]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33615&item=7922918751&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Doesn't say anything about VTC though.
It comes with an automatic. But I would think that the SR20DET transmission would fit. I dunno

[HaLo]

I know... the guy does not ship to Canada though...

I am so confused,... I really don't know what to do anymore.

[kings_blend]

since your in montreal why dont you look over at osaka motors or jspecautosports.com

[wootwoot]

there are a lot of other n/a engines way better than that which you could throw in there. i understand your dilemma though

[AKADriver]

You don't need VTC or a higher redline when you have 2389cc. No replacement... ;)

[atom]

I've seen places like Venus ocassionally have N/A SR's but for what they were charging the price differential didn't seem worth it.......

I wonder how much a Neo Straight 6 clip costs.....:)

[HaLo]

I know, I just really don't like the KA feel of the Engine.. I hated mine at the end..

I don't want to go too custom... it'll get too expensive too quickly.. I might go around the local "JDM Scrap Yards" tomorrow to see what they have..

Anyways.... If you guys have any other suggestions, I am opened to them.

[wootwoot]

wankel could be done for not to much =)

[HaLo]

hello unreliability. ;)

not very practical for Auto-X... won't be legal in Street mod with another manufacturer's engine.

[wootwoot]

pft, wankels are completly reliable and i find that statement to be one of those things that never dies because people dont understand them. vq30 could be interesting and work fine, with a little work you can make that sr20 into an sr24 with highcompression and itb's. there are some crazy ass japanese engines that you can find with some searching around, go for it. just how much power are you looking for? thats the main thing.

[HaLo]

I like wankels... I just don't trust them for my everyday racing car. ;)

Honestly, I would be happy with 200whp, without LAG... but it's pretty expensive on a NA car

[wootwoot]

i think you could get what you want out of a mildly tuned vq30de, it seems like it'd be pushing it extremly hard on a sr20de

[wootwoot]

eh, f it. just go crazy and drop an s2000 drivetrain or rotary in there. thats the only way where i can see the power made will be worth it. otherwise to much weight for the power and things of that sort. a n/a rotary is extremly reliable. hell, the turbo versions are as long as they are tuned by someone who isnt incompetent.

[HaLo]

S2000 drivetrain would be SICK... too bad it's so expensive and a lot of custom work is involved..

Now Tomei has been know to pull 260 ps out of a crazy tuned s14 sr20de so anything is possible. ;)

[atom]

The 250PS was from a S13 SR20DE IIRC.

http://www.tweakit.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=49_32&products_id=120

:bowdown: it comes with TB size up to 52mm. 1100 AUD is only 775 USD. :)

[brianglawson]

www.jgycustoms.com i bought my sr20t there:) great shop and i think they will ship, the actually put an s14 srde in a model A ford once:)

[HaLo]

True!!!
It was from a HIGHLY tuned S13-DE.. hmmm makes you think. :)

[HaLo]

hmmm very interesting..,a bit on the expensive side, since no ecu or maf are included.

[proj240sx]

vtc isnt all bad like people make it seem. really unless your going to some crazy ass cams, vtc is your friend. anyway halo im in pretty much the same situation. crapped out s14 sr, no job, full time college crap, and it makes me think about making something N/A. but then i slap myself and say no. yeh it would be fun to have a sr20de, but save your sr20det, take your time rebuilding it with good stuff, and put it back in. and no im not hating on DEs, i just like DETs more. :D :D

[HaLo]

at 5000$ cdn rebuild cost, might as well forget it.

[hurleyboi514]

if you get out, i want your wheels and tires! :) i need more for autox... either way, keep racing, it doesnt matter what you drive (to an extent).

[HaLo]

I'll keep racing N/A or Turbo....
I just want my car back by spring... and the latter seems quite hard considering the cost of it...

[Steeles]

halo if you go this route you MUST get those freaking ITBs for the thing off of tweakit.net!!!! soooo sick

[cali240sxdrifter]

i'd say keep on track on looking for a SR20DE, just be patient. it will come and will be well worth the wait. That and you can save money while on the wait.

http://djdorifto.sytes.net/Pictures/s14zenki3.JPG

they are pretty sick thou =D

[WilloW]

halo if you go this route you MUST get those freaking ITBs for the thing off of tweakit.net!!!! soooo sick

ITBs = sound like sex.

[Jeff240sx]

ITBs = sound like sex.

Or a disease you get after sex...
-Jeff

[nismo2491]

good point jeff. ITB look sexy as shit though
KEvin

[the240sxer95]

how about a VE head swap on the DE block:)

[HaLo]

Source a VE head, that would be nuts... :)

But Definitely I like the individual throttle body idea. Response would be crazy, but the S14 swap won't allow the individual throttle bodies though... though choice. ;)

[Steeles]

ahh crab I hadnt noticed that they couldnt work with the S14s that blows. tough choice indeed, the ITBs and a mild cam on the 13 or the VDC of the S14...

[HaLo]

If I go S14, for sure cams, flywheel, pulley, and headers go on it.. I would want to get as close as possible to 200 crank hp...

I am also considering parting all out and get a Miata.. then again, that would be plain stupid..

Anyways, I'm off to the local scrap yards to check if they have any engines lying around. ;)

[aznpoopy]

hvae you tried e-mailing or calling the company that nissantuner dealt with (his thread in OT about the n/a sr20de)? sometimes companies will put that up to avoid alot of the hassle of shipping alot of junk over the border, but they might be willing to make an exception for a single transaction... also if nobody is bidding on that motor they'd want to make whatever $$$ off of it they can.

[Zemus]

Why not just get the S14 motor, and put all the turbo stuff on it, and get a AFC and tune it a bit, with the higher compression you wont run as high of boost and it will be able to have better responce. Or do you just not want to go turbo again?

[MakotoS13]

larger displacement motors have less turbo lag cause they produce more torque naturally. for our cars forced induction is the only way to go RELALY fast so i'd recomend sticking with a turbo with mild boost on a KA at least as a power adder.

[HaLo]

I was thinking of not going turbo at all..

I just went "shopping" today at local JDM scrap yards, such as the very well known Osaka JDM Motors...

an S13 motorset (with cut or full harness, ecu and tranny, sometimes broken parts such as CAS) sells for 1300-2200$CDN (divide by 1.35 for your currency)

I found 1 S14 SR20DE with cut harness, ECU, tranny, claimed to be in good shape for 900$CDN. I'd have to compression test it... pretty cheap... Seriously considering it...

I don't want to go back to KA.
I don't want to upgrade to another SR20DET (S14 or S15) or RB whatever.

[HaLo]

As for putting the turbo on the S14 motor, I though about it, but it's 10.0:1, it has no pistons squirters either...

[AceInHole]

I still think the KA is capable of more power while retaining driveability than the SR in N/A form. You could even go SOHC since that route is easier and won't require too much custom work. Or buy my '95 DOHC and swap some SOHC pistons in there....

[Bbandit]

^ I agree with PJ

I mean for us guys that are constantly racing our cars.. we need to find the most economical way to get around the demand of high spendings (money wise). Cuz we all know that motors wont last that long if you drive it hard every weekends. And autocross put a lot more stress in motors instead of just doing drag racings... so yea.
Think of it this way... say that you want to go with N/A sr.. what if you happenned to ruin the motor again sometime in the future? will you be able to source the parts? will you be able to acquire them easily and economically? will you be able to get it running with minimal time and spendings?

For us over here in north america IMO.. KA is the most reasonable option that you have (If you constantly track your car).
I know how you feel about how KA feels.. but hey.. it works for me so far and Im loving it knowing that I have 2 extra running KA block laying around in my storage. Its all about getting used to.. and I'm pretty sure you can adjust your driving style according to the different power band seeing that you have a lot of autoX experience..

There's a guy in NICO.. I think his name is DeviousKA.. he has a high compression single cam KA running on standalones and Custom ITB.. Last time I checked, he was making 180rwhp.. not sure about now.

N/A SR idea is awesome! but again... think about the long term plan and back up plan for it..
If you think that you can get away with this idea better.. then go ahead and do it.

Just giving out another point of view for you to consider... :)
Hope it helps your thinking process :P

[Kid Zelda]

Halo... You're giving up ? [email protected]#@

NOOO.. you punk bi%$h. hahah

[HaLo]

thanks for the advice people..

going N/A is some kind of fantasy I have, after seeing Type-R's do so well in Auto-X...
I am still very tempted, espacially after seeing a S14 SR20DE for 900C$ (670$)... But the REASONABLE option would be for me to get another block, swap everything over and run that another year (like my GF says) and see if I still want to go N/A after...

Though I may gain in reliability, reponse in a N/A setup, my car is completely setup for my turbo...

I'm 70% sure of going with another motorset now. I guess I need to prove PJ a SR20DET can beat a KA24DE+T in SM. ;)

[nrcooled]

Why not a short block? SR20DET short blocks run about 800-1200 and aren't hard to locate. Call up enjuku or heavythrottle and see if they have any shorties sitting around

[HaLo]

Because when I say 1300, that 1300$ cdn, with no shipping cost because they deliver it to my door.

[hurleyboi514]

i like being NA... it may not be a highway/drag/wangan beast, but damn is it responsive!! the car is a rocket on tight mountain roads and open autox courses!! the money i save on all the turbo crap i use on track events and race wheels and tires (which happen to be more bling-ier than my street wheels :D). im running currently: really short ram battery intake with apexi filter, obx header, test pipe, HKS 65mm hiper, flywheel, clutch, S15 diff, ASP pulley, and i removed the AC shizzle. i just bought an SAFCII, that helped alot. i just leaned it out a little bit (not more than 4%) and it run SOOO much smoother. it isnt pig ass rich anymore... so nice... the lesson?? NA is fun :) :)

[HaLo]

Do you consider your car competitive in DSP? Would you need more power? That is the question. Being used to have a lot of power under the foot might trick me in thinking I need the power... But do I really need it? I guess not.

[nrcooled]

In auto-x you really never get out of 2nd gear. You can still be just as competative in a 200hp N/A as a 300hp F/I. I personally don't really like auto-x but you can be very competative in an underpowered car.

Just think, in a drag race you never really start to pull on someone until 3rd. If you never get out of 2nd then it's an even race. It's all about setup.

[HaLo]

I haven't thought about that part nrcooled... And it really makes sense.

Driving a N/A underpowered car is easier too. I drove a friend 90HP civic in SM in my last event and I did as well as I would with my 240sx, without even beating the car up. :)

[hurleyboi514]

its compeititive, i promise... if not, the BMW and Neon guys wouldn't hate me for ruining their championship!! :D

oh yah, and dude, when did u get a Makkian edition Evo??!?

[HaLo]

Damn though call...

[skatanic28]

how bout the z32 vg30de? a little too heavy for you maybe, but its almost at the power you want. if people are swapping in the tt's im sure the n/a would fit a lot better.

[HaLo]

It's too heavy... and too hard to work on...

[nissantuner22]

Hey Halo. Just wanted to let you in on some info. The FWD SR20DE guys have been turbocharging them for years. Its essentially the same motor found in the classic sentras, G20's, and NX's.

It has higher compression, but can still be safely turbocharged. Its lacking oil squirters, but thats not that important anyways.

So the way I figured it when I got my N/A SR20DE, is I can either make it a screamer N/A, or if later down the road, I can turbo it for far less than the cost of getting a DET. Its a good investment. I can either go N/A, or turbo, or stay stock...(ya right)

I'll keep an eye out for some other N/A SR's for you bro, good luck!

[AKADriver]

Yeah, if anyone were to go VG, go VG30E...it's so much lighter and smaller. Or VG33E!

But I still think the KA is the best NA power option. ;)

I really wish I had just a little garage of my own in which to build a fresh SOHC KA. 1mm overbore, early '89 9.1:1 pistons, remove SCV and AIV, cam, header, 80mm exhaust, intake, ECU or piggyback, maybe bigger TB... 2443cc of fun. :)

[the240sxer95]

why cant you got ITB on a s14?

[HaLo]

Yeah, I understand AKADriver... But I dunno... The SR appeals to me, in it's N/A form now. I never liked my car. Hated how it died at 5000rpm...

If I could get something that pulls all the way to the redline... I'd be happy... And there's somthing I don't like of the KA. It never responded well to my N/A mods... granted, they were crap, but still. ;)

[HaLo]

why cant you got ITB on a s14?

High port + VTC

[MakotoS13]

halo, dude, c'mon... you know where itz at boi!

http://angelcomps.ultraclear.net/OTHER/JDMDUG.JPG

[HaLo]

halo, dude, c'mon... you know where itz at boi!

http://angelcomps.ultraclear.net/OTHER/JDMDUG.JPG


hahaha! I love the drawing... now make one that shows me how nuts I am to even consider this. :D

[nissantuner22]

best pic ever.

[the240sxer95]

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/eagle/racing/000000051.jpg

just do it! mMmm s14 and itbs's! sex

[HaLo]

That's a NEO-VVL engine... That is some crazy power you see there.

For the moment, no one created the ITB system for the S14 SR20DE engine. Tomei has one in production though... :)

[the240sxer95]

nope, s14 sr// with a VE head and itb set up in a s14 chassis

[HaLo]

Hmm... lovely... expensive. :D

[the240sxer95]

i wonder how much it would cost.. someone was selling a complete VE head for like 450?? then you would need to tap in an oil line for the head, the rest on the parts on the car are .. sr16ve pistons which yelded umm 12.0:1 cr.i believe thats a GTiR itb manifold with aftermarket velocity stacks..

then other stuff like stand alone, fuel pump, injectors from a det silvia. and some other goods that you can see.


i wonder how much hp something like this could put out.

[ZK]

N/A sounds like a good idea.

I just got done rebuilding the SR after blowing it and looking at the cost, I could have bought another SR motor! I definitely dont want to go through that again.

[old_s13]

pft, wankels are completly reliable and i find that statement to be one of those things that never dies because people dont understand them. vq30 could be interesting and work fine, with a little work you can make that sr20 into an sr24 with highcompression and itb's. there are some crazy ass japanese engines that you can find with some searching around, go for it. just how much power are you looking for? thats the main thing.

bullshit. i've never known an RX7 to run "faithfully" and take the abuse. never. Never. NEVER.

not saying they arent good engines or strong engines, BUT.. the bottom line is that they cannot take NEGLECT and ABUSE like a lot of other motors I can think about (supra motor, ka, sr). rotary motors are very racey, which means they need proper maintanance in order to survive the beating.. and more maintanance than any other motor i've known.

hence the reason each and every person I know who's had an RX7 (including plenty of customers) all say its a love hate relationship -- when it works, its golden.. when it doesnt, its hell. kinda like going out with an anorexic supermodel who likes to have lots of sex.. the ups and downs, how fun.

[aznpoopy]

bullshit. i've never known an RX7 to run "faithfully" and take the abuse. never. Never. NEVER.

not saying they arent good engines or strong engines, BUT.. the bottom line is that they cannot take NEGLECT and ABUSE like a lot of other motors I can think about (supra motor, ka, sr). rotary motors are very racey, which means they need proper maintanance in order to survive the beating.. and more maintanance than any other motor i've known.

hence the reason each and every person I know who's had an RX7 (including plenty of customers) all say its a love hate relationship -- when it works, its golden.. when it doesnt, its hell. kinda like going out with an anorexic supermodel who likes to have lots of sex.. the ups and downs, how fun.


it's only when you turbocharge the motor that it starts getting finicky. turboIIs last a while but seem to die at 70k or so. FDs are idiotically over engineered in some regards (sequential twins) and then under engineered in others (high heat and a weak ass cooling system). only rx7 people list 'reliabilty mods' as parts of their sigs... ;)

they also die when mistreated *a little*. so buying a used rotary is alot like russian roulette. you never know if the previous owner overheated her or what.

that being said, rx7 n/a rotary motors are VERY reliable when maintained properly. usually this is not hard... flush your coolant every half a year and change your oil at 2000 miles and you are set. my g/f bought her 87 n/a at 160k miles and it still pulls strong (possibly stronger then my s14! T_T). 200k has been reached by some n/a owners.

[nightwalker]

I have dreams of one day getting a hold of a renesis motor set, and combining it with a early model miata chassis or S13.

[hurleyboi514]

rotories can take ALOT of abuse if they are properly cared for....

[TheTimanator]

it's only when you turbocharge the motor that it starts getting finicky.

that being said, rx7 n/a rotary motors are VERY reliable when maintained properly. usually this is not hard... flush your coolant every half a year and change your oil at 2000 miles and you are set. my g/f bought her 87 n/a at 160k miles and it still pulls strong (possibly stronger then my s14! T_T). 200k has been reached by some n/a owners.
my freind had a 1st gen with an 12a? i think. anyway, he went through two motors and gave up. When he bought the car, the previous owner said not to run the car under a 1/4 tank. He was sitting at the light to turn into the gas station. The gauge had just gone below 1/4 and started smoking and running like crap.... I forgot how the second one went.

Anyway, this thread is about Halo and him being a quiter :smash: j/k
that s14 sr with a VE head and itb sounds like a pretty cool set-up though. Why is the NEO-VVL engine so "exspensive"?

[that180guy]

finally a sr20de thread.....soo hard to find good info on a rwd sr. usually i just leach off the fwd sr guys. we should keep it going :)

[HaLo]

Rareness... and it's a recent engine...

[wootwoot]

bullshit. i've never known an RX7 to run "faithfully" and take the abuse. never. Never. NEVER.

not saying they arent good engines or strong engines, BUT.. the bottom line is that they cannot take NEGLECT and ABUSE like a lot of other motors I can think about (supra motor, ka, sr). rotary motors are very racey, which means they need proper maintanance in order to survive the beating.. and more maintanance than any other motor i've known.

hence the reason each and every person I know who's had an RX7 (including plenty of customers) all say its a love hate relationship -- when it works, its golden.. when it doesnt, its hell. kinda like going out with an anorexic supermodel who likes to have lots of sex.. the ups and downs, how fun.


i'll agree to most of that. my friend has his 2nd gen turbo II fully built though, his best run is 11.69 on drag radials and race gas. they can push crazy amounts of power, but if you do it wrong(run lean, small ports creating hotter air) then you will blow the motor in no time. in naturally aspirated trim they can last a damn long time if properly maintained though, as allready said. i was thinking more along just a street ported 13b, probably close to 200whp and extreme lightness/simplicity. it was more of a dicking around thing then anything. 1st gen rx-7 would make much more sense to build then put the engine in a 240. for simplicity's sake i say for the the s14 sr20 de and build it.

[Zemus]

Im supprised DeviousKA has yet to resond to this thread, NA talk is where he is at. I talk to him very frequently on aim, very nice guy and know his stuff. He gave me a lil formula for a nice lil NA motor.

KA24DE Head
Z22 Block
Z20 Rods
KA24DE Pistons or any KA pistons after a lil boring

If Build very nicly with the right parts and Injection system, it can run up in the 10k range because of the smaller stroke. But to run 10k lots of engine work as to be done, as does the oil system and fuel system. If you want to go big power and have a GRIP of money, you go ITB. Or you can do what im planning on doing which is Side Draft 50 or 45mm carbs. Also on the handling prospective you can put this motor closer to the first wall, and lower in the engine bay, its also a bit shorter, and you can run a 280zx tranny which has better gearing (all of this info was given to me by DeviousKA) I might be missing alot (im almost sure I am) also I might be a bit off on some stuff, but you guys get the Jist.

KAZ22D (if you go carbs) MMM Sounds sweet

Oh yea, and if you can get it into the 10k RPM Range, you can run somthing like 250RWHP :-D Not bad

For more info talk to DeviousKA :-D

[wootwoot]

^^^ i like that...

[HaLo]

I really like that ^^^^

But I have made my decision.. ;)

[wootwoot]

......and it is.....................

[that180guy]

Rareness... and it's a recent engine...

no its not?
unless your talking specifically about the s14 vtc model
i was goin into the lines of the non-vtc models, equipped in silvia q's and such.
no vtec for me. but if sumbody landed the neo-vvl...thats pimp juice :wackit:
i want pure na hp! ( + the extra wiring for the vtc looks complicated to me...not a fan of wiring)

edit: u can call me an idiot for that, but thats what I want

[HaLo]

Rareness was sr20ve... neo-vvl one... not sr20de s14 with vtc. ;)

Anyways, I have chosen to stay turbo... invest on another motorset, and build on the side on a 2 years span a 9.0:1 forged internals SR20DET.

[ThatGuy]

I have chosen to stay turbo.

:w00t: :bigok: :bowdown: Yay!!!

[that180guy]

Rareness was sr20ve... neo-vvl one... not sr20de s14 with vtc. ;)

Anyways, I have chosen to stay turbo... invest on another motorset, and build on the side on a 2 years span a 9.0:1 forged internals SR20DET.

yeap...those rare onces

awww..boooooooo!!!
and i thought i had a new buddy to talk to about na sr's :cry:

[HaLo]

It's the picture... it convinced me.

But you can always speak SR20 N/A with me... I really love N/A Engines... I have quite an open-mind. I may not like some things, but everything can fascinate me. :D

[ThatGuy]

I may not like some things, but everything can fascinate me. :D

So I was thinking of building a Pedal Powered Wheelchair. What do you think?

[91CRXsiR]

kinda like going out with an anorexic supermodel who likes to have lots of sex.. the ups and downs, how fun.


wheres the down?? :bigok:

[HaLo]

So I was thinking of building a Pedal Powered Wheelchair. What do you think?

Won't be as fast a VTEC though. ;)

[wootwoot]

thats ma boy

[CKAMC]

Hey Halo I have a b14 *sentra* SR powered and man these motors are so freakin easy to come by... even the VVL! I find VVL heads everywhere and there are some aussies I know on another forum that are about to complete a s13 bottom end with a sr16 n1 head. VVL isnt hard to come by at all You just have to be in the right area

As for De edition i have been trying to kill *wasnt meaning to but my early driving skills were pretty mean to the motor* the baby and it would smack me back in the face and laugh at me for all the attempts. check out what the FWD kids have to say over at Sr20forum.com they can help

Overall do what you want just make a well informed decision that all i have to say

[240Stilo]

Thread should be locked before Halo changes his mind.

[HaLo]

HaLo can't change his mind, because the engine should be here within a few hours. :p

[98sr20ve]

You made the right choice. I have a SR20VE powered B14. 189whp, 150ish ft pounds of tq, 8000rpm redline. Nice setup but a S13 just deserves a DET of some sort. The VE makes a great HPDE engine. Very reliable and easy to drive. I use it as my daily driver. My S13 is going turbo. Just seems like the right thing to do.

[nissantuner22]

Dont worry guys, you can still talk N/A RWD SR20DE's to me!!

[HaLo]

And... I love the concept... but can't get the wanted power. :(

[98sr20ve]

And... I love the concept... but can't get the wanted power. :(

New JWT VE cams plus the Hot shot headear should push that whp to the 220+ range. Still not turbo power but not bad. Add a 2.2 block and you would be in the 235+ range with the right supporting mods and big $.

[mrmephistopheles]

it's too bad the X-trail uses a transverse layout. If it didn't, I'd be all over that motor.

[Marty]

yay you picked the turbo route

[TurboB15sentra]

I don't understand why people are so quick to jump on the DET motorsets.. Don't you realize that you can make 400whp on a stock DE motor? Hell, you can make 325-350whp on 93 octane if you tune it correctly. Here's the easiest, most cost effective way..

SR20DE motorset (S13)- 500.00
JWT or Enthalapy tuned KA ECU (there's no rocket science here)- 500.00
Stock KA harness (cut and solder 6 wires for the IACV and knock sensor plugs)- freebie
Stock KA MAF- good for 260whp
370cc injectors- 50.00 on Ebay
Stock T25 setup- 250.00 used

Now, you have a setup with a tuned ECU that will be more responsive and make more power because of the higher compression ratio (9.5:1).. and it's not nearly as costly as a DET swap. Not nearly as much work involved either. The KA harness will plug right in to the SR20DE motor. You have to cut and solder 4 wires for the IACV and knock sensor.. but that's it. You don't have to repin anything under the dash or in the fenderwell. Just plug it in and go. People in the FWD camp have been making big power on stock DE blocks for 10 years. Hell, I built a car this year with a stock KA ECU running a DE motor.. using an AFC. At 12-13psi, the car went 12.80's on slicks.

http://www.fi-r.com/images/BensSilvia4.jpg
http://www.fi-r.com/images/Benscar1.jpg

No doubt, a T28 would be better.. hell, you could still build it cheaper if you bought a brand new T28! ;)

Travis

[nissantuner22]

Preach it brother Travis. Let the whole world know.