Formula Drift 2016 discussion

[Beas]

Hey guys, I wanted to get a thread going to talk about the season. I thought last weeks long beach event was pretty epic despite the rain. Denofa's battles had me jumping in the stands. knocking out Forsberg with a pass, then vaughn and Aasbo. Impressive.

I did feel pretty bad for moen. wrecking his car on a parade lap has got to be frustrating.

What do you guys think of the new builds?

overall champ predictions? I'm going to predict Odi. I don't think Aasbo can keep blowing motors and win it again.

[turboshoebox]

It's crappy american formula nascar drifting w/ ugly cars and a far car from what og drifiting was. Wait is that what you wanted?

[Mister.E]

Too late to unfuck this thread...

Honestly, I used to like FD...but I used to be a dipshit and I have since realized my mistake.

I like drifting for the style and the fun of the sport. FD is the complete opposite of both of those things. There is ZERO fucking style and it really isn't fun to watch, it's mediocre at best.

[Beas]

I like drifting for the style and the fun of the sport. FD is the complete opposite of both of those things. There is ZERO fucking style and it really isn't fun to watch, it's mediocre at best.

where is this amazing ultra stylish drifting happening that you like? or do you just want to bash on FD cause it makes u feel better?

[Dat_SilEighty]

where is this amazing ultra stylish drifting happening that you like? or do you just want to bash on FD cause it makes u feel better?

Final Bout, DriftMuscle, D1SL (and some GP), plus plenty of grassroots/non-competitive guys all over the world just to name a few...

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[dorkidori_s13]

FINAL BOUT FTW!!! BEST EVENT OF THE YEAR!!!

Formula D... meh, they stopped coming to Vegas, I dont give 2 shits anymore!

Plus OMFGWTFBBQ!!! DRAG RACING THRU TURNS WITH 1000HP CARS THAT NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND CAN COMPETE WITH!!! yeah, real cool!

[future]

Formula Drift was cool.......in 2007-10

[rawgarage]

Formula drift wouldn't be as bad if ppl stopped getting screwed.

Up and comers always get screwed going against the fat cats... ( not the OG's fault but damn) Forsberg vs hollendahl at 2015 Texas explains it.


And fuck Ryan sage ....Deanda is alright but fuck the announcing....

And the chick who interviews is terrible////. Hire Danny George

[RurouniMidnight]

As for round 1 in Longbeach it was a shit show up until top 16. Canceled qualifying Friday because of a drizzle, then people going like 5 miles per hour and spinning crashing during top 32 and those that cant even drift a parade lap and smash into the wall, pretty rediculous. Pair that with whatever comes out of Ryan sage mouth and the horrible cars that people almost seem to go out of there way to look uglier than what should be possible and it makes for a depressing venture. Im glad Chelsea won, i enjoyed watching him go against the odds and take out the top 4 drivers back to back to back was really something and congrats to him. I honestly think the series is in a downward spiral with drivers dropping out and sponsors and well i dont blame them.

[derass]

Formula drift wouldn't be as bad if ppl stopped getting screwed.

Up and comers always get screwed going against the fat cats... ( not the OG's fault but damn) Forsberg vs hollendahl at 2015 Texas explains it.

Here's the video if anyone's wondering:

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[JustCallMeTakumi]

Everyone will talk shit on FD, and I agree it's getting worse every year. It's still drifting and it's still exciting and fun to watch if you follow drivers just like any sport if you follow a player or driver you will get excited for them. Chelsea personally is my favorite driver in FD and I have been following him for years. He's the one that got me into it in the first place. So for me, this event was great and I was jumping all over the stands and screaming and cussing and such as the American that I am lol. Everything was horse shit up until top 16. That top 16 was one of the best judging and drifting I have seen in FD in the past few years of shit. We will see how the rest of the season goes. I enjoyed watching it a lot more than round 1 of the D1GP this year so far.

[OBEEWON]

All hating aside, what is appealing about watching an entire FD event? I can't even go to a grassroots event to watch if I'm not driving. It's so boring.

[chris_240sx]

All hating aside, what is appealing about watching an entire FD event? I can't even go to a grassroots event to watch if I'm not driving. It's so boring.

I feel the same way. I can't go to events if I'm not driving, I'm bored before I've been there an hour.

I still try to watch FD (when I remember it's on), but it does seem to be going down hill. Fewer drivers, fewer big name sponsors, etc. I've pretty much given up on expecting any cool cars in FD, but I'll still watch because it's drifting. Kind of.

[brndck]

Ill be honest, the Long Beach round (top 16) was one of the better rounds ive seen. Yes, the top 32/ "qualifying" was a total shit show, but I think no matter what they did, people would bitch. Cancel qualifying, people call them pussies. Hold qualifying and everyone wrecks, people call them idiots. No-win situation for them.

Watching top 16, and I had a hard time staying interested. When everyone has 1000hp and 90 degree angle kits, I can't manage to be impressed. Some of the tandems were cool, and denofa following Forsberg was definitely impressive, but the rest was meh.

Jrod still irritates the FUCK out of me, how he gets paid to "announce" an event is beyond me.

FD: "hey we should hire a loud guy to yell WHOA DOCTOR a whole bunch at our events"

Sage: I know just the guy

Jrod: WHOA DOCTOR, FORSBERG FORSBERG FORSBERG VAPE WAVE

FD: YOU'RE HIRED

pretty much 0-5% of the FD cars look ok imo, the rest, led this year by mohan, are varying degrees ranging from bad to terrible.

In other news, there are still rad grassroots events happening all over

[krampus]

where is this amazing ultra stylish drifting happening that you like? or do you just want to bash on FD cause it makes u feel better?

Seriously?

[Mister.E]

where is this amazing ultra stylish drifting happening that you like? or do you just want to bash on FD cause it makes u feel better?


THE FUCK?


Do you even grassroots drift bro?

[driftsucky]

FD has gone downhill. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY downhill. That said, I still enjoy watching it because it's one of the few drift events I can readily see as it's going on. Being an old man in the NE with a garage full of commuter cars and kids sport hauling ish, making it to events just to spectate, let alone drive in, is getting more and more difficult as the years roll by. I couldn't tell you more than 5 or 6 drivers, tbh. Outside of the original DA guys, I don't follow too much else. But, I follow those few guys and I'm happy when they win.

That said, I still think that overall, FD has turned to ish. But, it's all I got really. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[KiDyNomiTe]

So my only question/concern is, uhh, what are they gonna do about lack of drivers... I have only seen the top 32 part of the stream so far, but my understanding was they only had 32 drivers, hence skipping the qual. I am hoping that like 15-20 drivers either A, didn't make it, or B, wrecked, because if it carries on that they are hovering around the bare minimum all season long that's terrible... They lost quite a few drivers this season, and from the looks of the top 32, there were another 4-5 guys that don't belong.

[boost]

i think they wanted ~35 "pro" drivers to keep the entertainment up. 60 solo qualify runs was too boring. if you dont make that cut you're in pro2. i think top 8 pro2 for the year get a chance at pro

[Agent S14]

I still enjoy formula D is it getting worse, yes sadly I agree. meeting the drivers is always great though, they are super friendly and love their fans.

[Beas]

All hating aside, what is appealing about watching an entire FD event? I can't even go to a grassroots event to watch if I'm not driving. It's so boring.

for me its seeing my fav drivers advance and do well. Mad mike, wang, denofa. maybe that's why I loved round 1. Denofa has been a favorite for years, and he dominated this round.

I agree though, I cant watch the local pro/am or practice. I need to drive to have fun.

[Beas]

THE FUCK?


Do you even grassroots drift bro?

yep, vegas drift. ill see you out there tonight right?

[Highway Riding]

I still enjoy watching FD Atlanta cause of the track layout!

[Beas]

I do think if FD had more exciting track layouts it would seem less like "sideways drag racing". it does bother me when they run a track with only 1 transition. florida track last year was horrible. I would love to see them use a road course with an elevation change and 3-4 turns.

[Mister.E]

yep, vegas drift. ill see you out there tonight right?


Nope, I'll be busy tonight. I rarely go to the events anyway; I don't really like to watch other people drift. Once my car is finished you'll see me out there all of the time.

[LockOn!]

Hey guys, I wanted to get a thread going to talk about the season. I thought last weeks long beach event was pretty epic despite the rain. Denofa's battles had me jumping in the stands. knocking out Forsberg with a pass, then vaughn and Aasbo. Impressive.



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If it wasn't for this post, I would not believe that anyone actually gives a shit about this trash anymore.

[LockOn!]

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[Mister.E]

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[Mister.E]

^ Intentionally big af to get the point across

[Beas]

you guys are just bringing the site down. no wonder the "doing it wrong" thread is so popular. If you don't like FD, go somewhere else.

[SoundEfx]

This thread was to discuss FD, not to only praise it.

[Mister.E]

You should create a new thread called Formula Drift Happy Time Discussion where you can be the only one posting and having a good ole' time!


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[1988montecarloss]

*posts on internet*

*strangers disagree*

*whines about strangers disagreeing*

sounds about right, some quality troll posts though, 8/10

[Matej]

Has Formula D ever threatened Zilvia over spreading disdain toward their event?
240SX owners have to make up like 80% of their audience.

Gittin makes up the other 20% because he is a portly fellow.

[bigs]

Maybe i'm just old, but it's funny that people are having a heated discussion about the downfall of Formula Drift. FD started sucking like 8 years ago.

I get that it's all subjective, but it's really sad to me that some people (young and old) are just getting into drifting based on what they see in FD. It's such a poor representation of the sport. That said, It's just the natural evolution of a corporate backed series based on individual achievement and profit, so it's nothing to be mad about.

I designed the graphics for an FD driver 2 years in a row, but this year I didn't get to continue that. Seeing first hand how the nature of the series and big sponsors can basically strip drivers of their personal style is pathetic to me. I really enjoyed working with him when I had the chance, but I can honestly say i'm glad to never be associated with Formula Drift again.

A lot of people will turn this into a style debate, and it shouldn't be. Formula Drift has created its own culture, and its own style. Comparing FD to MSC, D1SL, Drift Muscle, D1GP, Final Bout, your neighborhood grassroots event is to degrade those series/events. Apples and oranges.

They should be paying Forrest Wang for keeping the series alive.

Pair that with whatever comes out of Ryan sage mouth

THIS. When Ryan Sage was announcing with Alexi Smith during FD Japan, it all got put into perspective for me. The Japanese drivers were putting down some seriously impressive runs (based on their builds), and Ryan Sage is so used to overbuilt fucking American FD cars that he was essentially bad mouthing the drivers for not performing well. Alexi was explaining how well the runs were, and you could tell there was an extremely awkward tension between them.

I would pay to fly Alexi out to FD Atlanta and make fun of an American round of Formula Drift. Who wants to set up a GoFundMe?

[dorkidori_s13]

They should be paying Forrest Wang for keeping the series alive.

quite possibly the ONLY thing you and i agree on!

[MrMigs]

I would pay to fly Alexi out to FD Atlanta and make fun of an American round of Formula Drift. Who wants to set up a GoFundMe?

If this were a real GoFundMe, it would be the first time I've ever sent money to someone on it. For the lulz lol do it man

[Ronald_Mcdonald]

I would pay to fly Alexi out to FD Atlanta and make fun of an American round of Formula Drift. Who wants to set up a GoFundMe?


If this were a real GoFundMe, it would be the first time I've ever sent money to someone on it. For the lulz lol do it man

I, too, would back this idea.

[turboshoebox]

Alexi from nori yamo or whatever his utube name is awesome! came across his page on accident.

It's not that i think just cause some thing is american that it is shit. not at all. Of course final bout series has been awesome.

Can america ever embrace another countries stuff with out having to american it up like crazy?

Drifting of course turned into foruma d.

Dance music from europe which has NOTHING to do with american pop arists once it was marketed for the US they watered it down and starned invovled RAP and pop arists with it while in reality it's two diff world.

IT's like WTF america it's two diff worlds why do you keep trying to americanize EVERYTHING that comes to the US.

THE RING and the grudge. OH thanks for turning it in white city with the random white girl in japan

[turboshoebox]

Japan for example loves some types of Us culture. You don't see the guys over there dropping sr20's in classic american cars that they imported there. They keep it v8 like it was supsoed to be

[turboshoebox]

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[MrMigs]

oh man beautiful front wheel fitment. reminds me of this rc car i used to have lol

[Russ]

I honestly don't understand all the hate. I do agree that some of the track layouts are kinda lame. I think Road Atlanta is without a doubt the best event and I have enjoyed every event I have attended there.
And of course there will be some BS judgement calls. That's inherent with any sport. But to write off all of Formula D because of a few bad calls, some retarded liveries, or some wheel poke seems a bit ridiculous to me. If this is enough to turn you away from the hobby then you probably didn't like it in the first place. These "teams" are the ones spending their money, conducting the R&D, and expanding aftermarket support for us as well as making it cheaper.
And then to complain about the V8s seems a bit dumb too-for the same reasons listed above. I think the lack of regulations in this department is what makes it so fun to watch. I get to see rotaries running against v8's, 2jz's, 4 cyls, etc. I'm sure if FD added regulations or limits on that, people would find a way to complain about that too. D1GP cars are now at similar power levels but I don't see anyone complaining about that. So when I hear the argument that FD has turned into a drag race/Nascar event, all I hear is "I don't have the knowledge, skills, or funds to make a car perform above a street car level."

Im sure no one wants my opinion on Final Bout so Ill stop talking.
/rant

[Mister.E]

Im sure no one wants my opinion on Final Bout so Ill stop talking.


Pretty sure I do.

[BuntaSensei]

Pretty sure I do.

i second this notion

[timandytimandy]

The thing people need to realize is FD is a marketing company that uses racing as its medium. They saw a market that no one else was doing in the US at the time and ran with it. FD is what is is.

[Jorgs_7]

i second this notion

3rd that


The thing people need to realize is FD is a marketing company that uses racing as its medium.

THIS. This is why people bitch. Its a monster-hoonigan-BC racing-Enjuku show

[DRIFTER-M]

Some truth on both sides in this thread, IMO.

Round 1 was pretty fun (past the whole BS top 32 crap), but solid as far as battles go. Wang does kill it, dude keeps rocking.

No doubt, as a few others have pointed out, it has been in a downspin since D1 left IMO. Formula D became the HP race, rather than really solely on drifting, for whatever reason. And our tracks/ courses lack the style, so do many of the cars (not all of them).

Still, I think it is good to support all aspects of drifting (from Grassroots, to FB, to FD) as continued growth will always be a good thing (even if much of it is negative). I have pointed out before, but people that complain here and elsewhere, of which I am one on plenty of occasion as drifting has become pessimistic, would do better to focus that energy on righting the wrong for incoming people/ drivers in the scene. I believe being positive and showing in a constructive manner how to do things correctly, would lead to a better growth curve for the scene.

Just ramblings of somebody who has owned a s-chassis for far too long, take it for what it is worth.

[MrMigs]

Pretty sure I do.

i second this notion

3rd that

4th that.
mmm this will be good.. lol

[tlieberman240]

I was there at FD this weekend, and the driving was actually good. Some of the best I've seen **IN FD** for years. Judging was pretty consistent too. Way better when drivers are actually door to door, rather than drag racing the start and driving the car with a 3+ car length gap the whole time.

The cars have definitely gotten uglier though. The cancelling of qualifying because of some rain is fucking comical. These "veteran" dudes bitch and moan because it's wet and they can't link the course, meanwhile Aasbo and a couple other dudes can still manage to drive the course just fine, and Forrest still basically throws down damn near perfect runs. Sure, the cars are more of a handful, but given that FD is supposed to be the pinnacle of professional drifting in the world, you'd think more than 4 fucking drivers in the series can actually drive when the conditions are less than ideal.

The builds and cost are just too ridiculous now, too. D1 is the same. Everything is like 800+ hp. That's why I still like MSC and D1SL and shit.

[timandytimandy]

Formula D became the HP race, rather than really solely on drifting, for whatever reason.
goes back to marketing and being the "premiere" race series. How better to sell that FD > D1GP / whatever other series than "we have the most smoke / hp / diverse field"
Every aspect of the series isn't run by drivers and it shows. There is too much of a disconnect from drivers to sponsors to the people running it. A sponsor doesn't car how cool a livery is, in their eyes that takes the focus away from their advertisement. FD *didn't* care about contingency / payouts because there were / are tons of pro am drivers willing to pay out of pocket to run the series. Didn't they just raised the winners payouts to like $25k at select events?
Fuck look at golf you come in 50th place at the masters you get $25,200.

[SoundEfx]

(Starts reading up on how to play golf)

From an outsider looking into the drift scene, it's both up and down, but mostly down.

I respect the skill it takes to drift, but when you look at the type of cars used and how they are damaged/destroyed, you lose support really quickly.

In terms of the competition itself, I compare what I see here to what it originated from, and it's sad to say the least. As mentioned before, it's all hype and no quality. Drifters should be close together not miles. I have seen three cars drifting inches from each other and loved it. Here, you can't get two of them.

[Beas]

As a fan of drifting I don't see how you can love one type and hate the other. They all have something different to offer imo. a local practice event is different from final bout which is different from FD. enjoy them for what they are.

Don't forget these guys in FD are making a living doing this. (some of them)

[MrMigs]

As a fan of drifting I don't see how you can love one type and hate the other. They all have something different to offer imo. a local practice event is different from final bout which is different from FD. enjoy them for what they are.

Don't forget these guys in FD are making a living doing this. (some of them)

That's like loving miniature golf and hating professional golf... or like loving to watch NFL but hating to watch flag football... See... it's possible... and it makes sense.

Formula D, D1, D1SL, Final Bout... yea they're all drifting. But everything else that surrounds their foundations is different. Some of these pay homage and/or respect to drifting's roots and to each other, and one of them is the bastard. I think that's what people tend to not like... and people who feel this way are the ones with roots that go much further back than Formula D. Make sense?

[daftcon]

I think what most people don't like, is seeing something which we consider a hobby, and flipping it on its head to market and make money off of. I'm constantly reminded of the saying "keep drifting fun". Well most of us see this as doing the complete opposite. It's become nothing but a chase after horsepower and who can be more flashy than the next guy. Do they have fun?.... I'm sure they do. But it's gotten far away from what we see drifting as... a weekend release with your buds to test what you've worked so hard on for so long. But really, to each his own. In the name of capitalism, make your money. I'm sure that's coming to an end soon enough.

[LockOn!]

In terms of the competition itself, I compare what I see here to what it originated from, and it's sad to say the least. As mentioned before, it's all hype and no quality. Drifters should be close together not miles. I have seen three cars drifting inches from each other and loved it. Here, you can't get two of them.



I would die to see a team based nation series. I don't even care if its Hoonigan VS Faulken VS Rockstar teams. Just make teams compete against teams, the heads up one on one drift battles have killed what I like the most about drifting.

Imagine if we had competitions where a teams of 3 cars ran the course and were judged on how well they mirrored one another, how close they were, and how exciting their run was. Then these teams were eliminated one by one until we were left with two final teams. THEN these teams would pair off and do one on one bouts.

That shit would get me so fucking hype daymn.

BTW, yes, I realized I basically just outlined the old Drift Tengoku local grassroots team battle format. Still my favorite shit to watch period.

[irritatedmax]

I honestly don't understand all the hate. I do agree that some of the track layouts are kinda lame. I think Road Atlanta is without a doubt the best event and I have enjoyed every event I have attended there.
And of course there will be some BS judgement calls. That's inherent with any sport. But to write off all of Formula D because of a few bad calls, some retarded liveries, or some wheel poke seems a bit ridiculous to me. If this is enough to turn you away from the hobby then you probably didn't like it in the first place. These "teams" are the ones spending their money, conducting the R&D, and expanding aftermarket support for us as well as making it cheaper.
And then to complain about the V8s seems a bit dumb too-for the same reasons listed above. I think the lack of regulations in this department is what makes it so fun to watch. I get to see rotaries running against v8's, 2jz's, 4 cyls, etc. I'm sure if FD added regulations or limits on that, people would find a way to complain about that too. D1GP cars are now at similar power levels but I don't see anyone complaining about that. So when I hear the argument that FD has turned into a drag race/Nascar event, all I hear is "I don't have the knowledge, skills, or funds to make a car perform above a street car level."

Im sure no one wants my opinion on Final Bout so Ill stop talking.
/rant

Agreed. And if we're talking about the horsepower wars, who fired the first/most devastating shot...Daigo Saito. Not the American drivers. Didn't he have that same setup in his MarkII before he came to FD and the internet was on fire with how awesome it was? So it's cool there but not in America when the other teams respond (and ruin their programs and reliability).

If you knock it for the engine choice; Japan's V8 is the 2JZ. There isn't another equally high horsepower/reliable readily availalbe engine here. In America, we've got V8's - that's our 2JZ. OMG he did not just say that. Think about it.

That's like loving miniature golf and hating professional golf... or like loving to watch NFL but hating to watch flag football... See... it's possible... and it makes sense.

Formula D, D1, D1SL, Final Bout... yea they're all drifting. But everything else that surrounds their foundations is different. Some of these pay homage and/or respect to drifting's roots and to each other, and one of them is the bastard. I think that's what people tend to not like... and people who feel this way are the ones with roots that go much further back than Formula D. Make sense?

At this point, I'm not sure D1 or D1SL is anymore "in the roots/spirit of what drifting used to be" than FD. That's kind of a hard case to make. Have you seen Kawabata's 1000hp GTR that just won D1? That's more in line with the roots of drifting than Forsberg's 1000hp 370Z? Oh because it was done in Japan, that's right - it's inherently better and JDM tite. D1SL is just D1 a feeder series that's more tightly regulated. Again, I'm not aware of anything that keeps it more in line with the roots you speak of - they still have like 600hp 2J's in the series.

I would die to see a team based nation series. I don't even care if its Hoonigan VS Faulken VS Rockstar teams. Just make teams compete against teams, the heads up one on one drift battles have killed what I like the most about drifting.

Imagine if we had competitions where a teams of 3 cars ran the course and were judged on how well they mirrored one another, how close they were, and how exciting their run was. Then these teams were eliminated one by one until we were left with two final teams. THEN these teams would pair off and do one on one bouts.

That shit would get me so fucking hype daymn.

BTW, yes, I realized I basically just outlined the old Drift Tengoku local grassroots team battle format. Still my favorite shit to watch period.

What made those team drift videos fun were the teams and their characters and the anticipation knowing a lot of the teams were going to pack it in hard. I think that's the sole reason they held those events just for the spectacle - not as a display of driver skill. The driving was pretty darn sloppy in those videos. One or two teams from each event were really smooth and the rest were crashing or couldn't hold formation.

[MrMigs]

Hmmm well... let's just say, in terms of style and performance, FD weighs a whole lot more on performance than style to the point where you have a lot of cars that look downright ugly.

In D1GP, most of cars were always visually appealing, and they performed very well. The balance rarely goes so far off that cars look super bad as a sacrifice for performance. I'd say that's inline with some of the roots.

But I'm not just talking about the cars only. Also about the whole feel of the way the series' is presented to the public from a spectator's point of view.

[Beas]

Agreed. And if we're talking about the horsepower wars, who fired the first/most devastating shot...Daigo Saito. Not the American drivers. Didn't he have that same setup in his MarkII before he came to FD and the internet was on fire with how awesome it was? So it's cool there but not in America when the other teams respond (and ruin their programs and reliability).

If you knock it for the engine choice; Japan's V8 is the 2JZ. There isn't another equally high horsepower/reliable readily availalbe engine here. In America, we've got V8's - that's our 2JZ. OMG he did not just say that. Think about it.


I was thinking the same thing about daigo turning FD into nascar or sideways drag racing. whatever they want to call it.

to those of you that haven't seen it, find some footage of top16 from long beach last week. maybe some FD events are lousy, but this one was pretty damn good.

[turboshoebox]

Why is everyone so obsessed with daigo? Meh

[Mister.E]

I like his hair. It's amazing! [emoji7]


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[turboshoebox]

Even as a jdm guy formula d has all american-ed him out. Monster, the achilies tires, the lack of car style etc.

[LockOn!]

What made those team drift videos fun were the teams and their characters and the anticipation knowing a lot of the teams were going to pack it in hard. I think that's the sole reason they held those events just for the spectacle - not as a display of driver skill. The driving was pretty darn sloppy in those videos. One or two teams from each event were really smooth and the rest were crashing or couldn't hold formation.

Still more fun to watch then a sideways drag race money fight sponsored by fuckface energy drink

[Russ]

Pretty sure I do.
i second this notion
3rd that
4th that.
mmm this will be good.. lol


Basically this

...the sole reason they held those events just for the spectacle - not as a display of driver skill. The driving was pretty darn sloppy in those videos. One or two teams from each event were really smooth and the rest were crashing or couldn't hold formation.


FINAL BOUT TRIGGER WARNING
Since you asked, here's my personal opinion on what's wrong with Final Bout...and maybe I'm just an old, bitter hater...but it always seems like Final Bout is a bunch of internet superheros looking for an excuse to publicly bro out out in there admittedly awesome looking cars with lackluster driving while simultaneously hating on people who didn't fit inside their very narrow preconception of what "drifting" is about. From what I've seen on various social media platforms, all of this elitism is in the name of preserving what they believe the true Japanese spirit and style of drifting is about. Basically, if your car sucks ass, you don't deserve to be here so GTFO. Ironically, this is actually the most American way you could handle this situation and in no way reflects my first hand experiences with drifting in Japan. During my time in Japan, I have never once been told my car is shitty or that I couldn't drive alongside someone. It is a welcoming community. Literally no one cares as long as you don't damage the track, disrespect someone else's car (if driving with random people), or do anything to detract from people's seat time. It is a fallacy to say Final Bout is the true definition of drifting.


Also everyone should know I have never attended a single FB event. I am basing my opinion completely off the over-hyped media coverage of these events. I wouldn't be surprised if I changed my mind after attending one (if I could get in). Other than the attitudes of a I described above, FB looks like an awesome. I do believe the people that think that way are in the minority.

Basically, FD and FB are apples and oranges. Don't compare them. One is about competition, pushing the limits of the sport, and money while one is a fashion show/party with your best buds. I can respect both but to say one is real drifting and the other is not is ignorant.

[rawgarage]

Basically everyone should know I have never attended a single FB event.



This exactly why... you hating...

[Nissansota240]

awesome looking cars with lackluster driving

First part is spot on, last part is a crock of shit.

[bigs]

...but it always seems like Final Bout is a bunch of internet superheros looking for an excuse to publicly bro out out in there admittedly awesome looking cars with lackluster driving while simultaneously

And that right there explains it all.

Elaborate on why you consider the driving "lackluster." Your view of "good driving" is so polluted by what you've seen in Formula Drift. Take a step back from this thread and ask yourself, "what makes driving good?" Seriously, let me know what you think. It's a highly subjective matter, but I think you'll still get the point i'm making.

Yes, there are some drivers that are better than others. If that is all you're focusing on, then you're missing PART of the point of Final Bout. It's not solely about car styling, and it's not solely about driving. Final Bout represents a rich profusion of what the majority of drift events/organizations in America have left behind. It's not about this idea of STYLE, which is turning into a marketing ploy for overnight blogs and "companies." It's not about INTERNET FAME. It's the evolution of a subculture in the U.S.

There is a clear and obvious thing happening here. There are people that love Final Bout, and hate Formula Drift. There are people that love Formula Drift, and don't understand Final Bout. That's fine. Unfortunately, in America, we have to exercise a selection process to maintain and promote the "grassroots" culture. There is something to be said about a LARGE group of drivers that feel so strongly about a certain culture, and will stop at nothing to maintain it.

Don't attribute the evolution of social media to the success of Final Bout and its drivers.

Basically, if your car sucks ass, you don't deserve to be here so GTFO. Ironically, this is actually the most American way you could handle this situation and in no way reflects my first hand experiences with drifting in Japan.

Nowhere along the line has it ever been about a car "sucking ass" or telling people to "GTFO." America is not Japan. America has to come up with events like Final Bout to preserve and promote a certain aspect of drifting. People like to blow up the idea of a selection process for a drift event into something it is not. I think it's great that Final Bout is actively forming a niche in American drift culture.

Formula Drift has been around since 2003. Long time followers of the series have noticed an undeniable change in the series - a change which has skyrocketed in the past couple years. I'm not going to elaborate, because those who know, know. Keeping that change in mind, it's quite obvious why some people hate the current state of the series.

Like you said, apples and oranges. In your case, you shouldn't let the taste of apples corrupt the taste of oranges.

[rawgarage]

^ YOU DONT HAVE TO APOLOGIZE FOR FB BEING COOL. PPL LIKE COOL.

the people at FB would still be driving if it wasn't embraced and deemed cool by many

[zerodameaon]

And that right there explains it all.

Elaborate on why you consider the driving "lackluster." Your view of "good driving" is so polluted by what you've seen in Formula Drift. Take a step back from this thread and ask yourself, "what makes driving good?" Seriously, let me know what you think. It's a highly subjective matter, but I think you'll still get the point i'm making.

Seeing as how he is in Tokyo he likely is not as polluted from FD as you seem to think. Its more likely that it is enhanced by actually being in Japan. In the short few days I was in Okinawa I saw better driving out of guys sliding around the streets then I have ever seen in FD.

[bigs]

Seeing as how he is in Tokyo he likely is not as polluted from FD as you seem to think. Its more likely that it is enhanced by actually being in Japan. In the short few days I was in Okinawa I saw better driving out of guys sliding around the streets then I have ever seen in FD.

I mistook him for the guy that created the thread. I guess it's his idea of drifting as a singular thing that annoyed me.

[dorkidori_s13]

Final Bout is basically the OG drifting scene, the way it was when us old guys were young! the styling of the cars, the actual excitement of seeing NORMAL PEOPLE competing who arent backed by huge sponsorships like Monster or Ford, the anticipation of actually seeing JDM culture at its best and brightest. FB still presents drifting from a Japanese perspective... Formula D took an idea and turned it into something completely different. Prior to 1000+hp engines, mega sponsorships and basically sideways drag racing, normal people could build cars to actually compete in professional drifting series events! the first D1GP that was hosted in LA showed off talent from all levels in cars that were easily buildable via a modest racing budget. FD over the years screwed that up big time.

But as with any sub culture that gets popular, it winds up going mainstream and turns into a beast so far removed from what it originally was. FD can go do whatever the hell it wants. They pulled completely out of Vegas so I have no interest left in it... the only reason I went was to set up a booth to sell shirts and meet my customers, the latter of that was the best part! Shaking hands with people and having them say thank you, but thats besides the point. Over the coming years, I would personally LOVE to afford to sponsor and support Final Bout as it is there for people who still yearn for Japanese influenced and styled drifting. Its a return to what made drifting so special for a lot of us out there!

[DIENOW]

I'm just here to salute/cheer/celebrate Chelsea's first win in Formula D + brag about how I designed the car's wrap. Carry on fella's!

http://i.imgur.com/Iy26zf8.jpg


#hate #hate #hate #hate #hate

[DIENOW]

And i agree...Final Bout IS way cooler.

[zerodameaon]

Formula D took an idea and turned it into something completely different. Prior to 1000+hp engines, mega sponsorships and basically sideways drag racing, normal people could build cars to actually compete in professional drifting series events! the first D1GP that was hosted in LA showed off talent from all levels in cars that were easily buildable via a modest racing budget. FD over the years screwed that up big time.



This little bit makes me wonder how those who watched the birth of NASCAR felt when it did the exact same thing. Those born into its current form look at it a lot different. It's like those of us who witnessed the birth of FD will view it a lot differently then kids who only find out about it as a factory backed million dollar sport.

[dorkidori_s13]

This little bit makes me wonder how those who watched the birth of NASCAR felt when it did the exact same thing. Those born into its current form look at it a lot different.

thank you for making that point!!! i meant to address it in my post!!! :kiss:

[Russ]

This exactly why... you hating...
sure


...It's a highly subjective matter...

Nowhere along the line has it ever been about a car "sucking ass" or telling people to "GTFO."

Don't attribute the evolution of social media to the success of Final Bout and its drivers.

Like you said, apples and oranges. In your case, you shouldn't let the taste of apples corrupt the taste of oranges.

1. Agree. Your opinion doesn't matter. No ones opinion really matters. It's supposed to be fun. That's it.

2. Disagree. This is my experience in American grassroots drifting. Maybe I'm simply hanging out with the wrong crowd and visiting all the wrong websites.

3. At no point did I intend to knock the drivers or the event overall. Only the select group of people that are adamant Formula D haters and by contrast, hardheaded Final Bout fanatics.

4. Agree. This is my exact point. One is not worse/better than the other. I just don't understand how people could find no merit in Formula D and no flaws with Final Bout.

[Beas]

So, gitten looks to be a pretty big threat this year.

Dai seemed to get very lucky with the calls. several of his battles should have went OMT. I don't see him making it to even the top 8 anymore this year.

Essa seems like he will be more and more of a threat each round. looked to be back to his old self in the new bmw.

[timandytimandy]

Gitten,Dai, Esaa

^ I agree with everything.

Friday was boring, ended up watching clubloose fndp live stream instead.

Bummed Chelsea and tuereks cars broke.

Kenny moen is a beast.

Faruq has no business running pro.

They have 32 qualifiers, have a lottery for starting positions Friday night and the big show Saturday. If there is a odd # winner of previous event gets a by.

[scottie]

Formula Drift = Exclusivity due to high operating costs and competitive cars.

Final Bout = Exclusivity due to high school click'ish decisions from a select few.


The two are completely different competitions and exclusive in their own form. I personally dig local grassroots events as they are honestly the most like Japan. You will see all sorts of vehicles on the track, from JDM livery/parts/style, missile type and completely stock all the to professional competition built cars. Being more of an 'old timer' I used to watch Japanese drifting videos where you saw all those mentioned above on the track at the same event.

One can at least appreciate the transparency of FD and other similar series.

[RB25GUY]

Formula Drift = Exclusivity due to high operating costs and competitive cars.

Final Bout = Exclusivity due to high school click'ish decisions from a select few.


The two are completely different competitions and exclusive in their own form. I personally dig local grassroots events as they are honestly the most like Japan. You will see all sorts of vehicles on the track, from JDM livery/parts/style, missile type and completely stock all the to professional competition built cars. Being more of an 'old timer' I used to watch Japanese drifting videos where you saw all those mentioned above on the track at the same event.

One can at least appreciate the transparency of FD and other similar series.


its funny because in japan the audience doesn't want to see grassroots novice drivers like 80 percent of the drivers here in the states. they would boo the shit outta the rookies with even a little bit a skill they want to see pros drifting, they could careless about grassroot events that dont have pro drivers going all out even if its in there missle cars.....

[kevinphan]

Formula Drift = Exclusivity due to high operating costs and competitive cars.

Final Bout = Exclusivity due to high school click'ish decisions from a select few.


The two are completely different competitions and exclusive in their own form. I personally dig local grassroots events as they are honestly the most like Japan. You will see all sorts of vehicles on the track, from JDM livery/parts/style, missile type and completely stock all the to professional competition built cars. Being more of an 'old timer' I used to watch Japanese drifting videos where you saw all those mentioned above on the track at the same event.

One can at least appreciate the transparency of FD and other similar series.

Finalbout isn't really a competition, at least from my perspective. It is an excuse for a bunch of like minded folks to get together and drive. The first Finalbout that we drove in felt like a weekend at the skatepark. Got to hangout with people from the internet, eat good food, drove cross country, drove on a track I have only witnessed online. It is the entire journey to FinalBout that makes it memorable for those who take part. The people who have not attended FB will not understand the atmosphere. It is pretty hard to beat a bunch of cool looking cars sliding around with 20 other ones right behind them.

The huge difference is attitude, American attitude is to be better than the next guy. You almost always have a competitive spirit and thats great or whatever if you're into it. Even if you aren't the best driver, having a good looking car is no way a downside. Everyone has the internet, google is not hard to use. Building a shitty looking car purposely in 2016 should not happen. People nowadays hop from scene to scene and never learn about anything. American drifting in its current state is laughable, but there are people out there helping promote it in better light and thank you to them for doing that.

[scottie]

Finalbout isn't really a competition, at least from my perspective.

The huge difference is attitude, American attitude is to be better than the next guy.

Interesting. I could have sworn I saw a podium with trophies given out from all the media coverage online.

Another interesting subject is attitude. FB has a certain amount of 'my car is better/cooler/JDM'er than yours' attitude correct?

[kevinphan]

The difference is being humble. And competition, were you there? If not then case closed, ask anybody who drove final bout and let me know if they think it's a competition, it's more of an exhibition. I could be wrong though.

[brndck]

Another interesting subject is attitude. FB has a certain amount of 'my car is better/cooler/JDM'er than yours' attitude correct?
Eh. It's more of a "we all share the same taste in styling so we threw an event". If you don't care about aesthetics, then it's simply not the place for you. There are plenty of local events across the country for dumpster cars and missiles. This is not that.

The "attitude" at final bout is by far the friendliest and most inviting automotive event I've ever experienced, and very reminiscent of the first few ASB events. Like Kevin said, it feels far more like a weekend jam session at the skate park than a competition.

[timandytimandy]

People nowadays hop from scene to scene and never learn about anything.


Building a shitty looking car purposely in 2016 should not happen.


Right on the money.

I might not have the best looking car, but I'll be damned if its the worst.

[Jorgs_7]

But as with any sub culture that gets popular, it winds up going mainstream and turns into a beast so far removed from what it originally was.

The truth.

[scottie]

Eh. It's more of a "we all share the same taste in styling so we threw an event". If you don't care about aesthetics, then it's simply not the place for you. There are plenty of local events across the country for dumpster cars and missiles. This is not that.

The "attitude" at final bout is by far the friendliest and most inviting automotive event I've ever experienced, and very reminiscent of the first few ASB events. Like Kevin said, it feels far more like a weekend jam session at the skate park than a competition.


I guess I should give people of the benefit of the doubt. Maybe the atmosphere is different in the flesh than what I have read lately on social media. Some of the comments from past participants were far from humble. I suppose like most events it is what you make of it. I still want to attend one to see all the well executed cars.


But back to FD ATL, Gitten Jr was fun to watch actually. I have never seen someone flick a Mustang into an entry consistently like he did. The grip was unbelievable (3 wheel action). He always throws down at ATL but he absolutely destroyed every opponent he faced. I felt bad for Matt Fields. It was obvious he was tired of Faruk and essentially punted him out of the way. It was cool to see Dai back on the podium. I think going RHD has improved his performance.

[Beas]

so, looks like tires de-beading is now a huge issue.

[Mister.E]

Was it Orlando? That was the only shit track that would consistently pop people's tires off.

[Beas]

yeah, Orlando. worst track of the series. 2 years in a row the event has been horrible there. I wish they could move to a road course.

[derass]

I just caught a quick clip from this last round and saw what looked like a group of new recruits being sworn into the Air Force during the opening ceremonies. Previously at Long Beach, it was a precision drill demonstration. Is it just me, or has the Air Force been putting more effort into gaining new recruits through FD?

[Beas]

Is it just me, or has the Air Force been putting more effort into gaining new recruits through FD?

recruiting is the only reason they would be involved with FD. smart if u ask me. whats weird is that means our tax dollars are going to FD. I wish all my tax dollars went to FD rather than some bums welfare.


Anyway, I'm happy to see different drivers on the podium this year. denofa, bluss etc.

[tlieberman240]

Was it Orlando? That was the only shit track that would consistently pop people's tires off.

yeah, Orlando. worst track of the series. 2 years in a row the event has been horrible there. I wish they could move to a road course.

They constantly switch from one track to a different one every couple years in Florida. Every layout being more garbage than the last.

They should just leave that shithole and go back to Vegas.

[zerodameaon]

They constantly switch from one track to a different one every couple years in Florida. Every layout being more garbage than the last.

They should just leave that shithole and go back to Vegas.

Vegas and Sonoma, but then it would go back to people bitching about to many events on the west coast. Though right now they are east coast heavy even if you don't include Fort Worth Texas.

[tlieberman240]

Vegas and Sonoma, but then it would go back to people bitching about to many events on the west coast. Though right now they are east coast heavy even if you don't include Fort Worth Texas.

Sonoma was boring. Long hand brake through a late apex right hand corner, long transition back to the left. Done. Lame.

Vegas was rad. That track required some balls, especially when the drivers were flicking the car on entry against a wall at triple digit speeds.

ATL is ok. NJ is one of the best rounds in the series, I think. Low speed, tight and technical, tandem runs are typically really good there.

[Chronumn]

They constantly switch from one track to a different one every couple years in Florida. Every layout being more garbage than the last.

They should just leave that shithole and go back to Vegas.

No! Haha I like seeing the cars come down here. Homestead is cool.

[dorkidori_s13]

i miss having a booth at the Vegas FD and getting to meet some of you guys in person :(

[zerodameaon]

Sonoma was boring. Long hand brake through a late apex right hand corner, long transition back to the left. Done. Lame.

Vegas was rad. That track required some balls, especially when the drivers were flicking the car on entry against a wall at triple digit speeds.

ATL is ok. NJ is one of the best rounds in the series, I think. Low speed, tight and technical, tandem runs are typically really good there.

The track FD used was lame, there is a lot more track there. Hell if you use the drag strip you can turn what FD had into very tight and technical if you go back over a spot used that the beginning. Regardless it was still better then anything Florida has had.

[kingkilburn]

Almost every track FD uses is boring banked sweeper bs. A steady hand and high power wind the day.
I want to see the American drivers hit that recent FD Japan Ebisu course. Most wouldn't even qualify.

[Mister.E]

ujMbBHmwIQ4

This is pretty damn funny

[MrMigs]

This is pretty damn funny

fukking lol good one hahaha

[ehhhregartless]

Drawn from this. I didn't have a strong opinion about FD and for the most part liked it but this is ridiculous

https://youtu.be/I35HlW5S0-E

[Mister.E]

He flicked it too hard for a transition like that. The extreme angle almost made him park it. Props to McQuarrie for actually avoiding that.

[scottie]

If/When a Drift Series puts forth rules which heavily favor the chase car, the rule(s) need to be abandoned immediately. No other series in the brief history of this motorsport has ever allowed a chase car to drive thru the lead car and advance.

Think about it. Forsberg (and crew) had a Win-Win scenario. The 1st Clipping point coming off the bank was designated an "accel" area followed immediately by a "decel" area to allow transition for the right hand sweeper. Forrest had been transitioning early the entire event, including qualifying. Mcquarrie was able to avoid contact the first run and every subsequent run after (had 2 one more times) Mcquarrie was able to adjust his line and stay with Forrest. This is called being a professional.
Now Forberg squares off with Forrest and you know their spotter has made note of the angle/transition and the fact Forrest was running this section slower than most. Forsberg loses Forrest in the smoke, decides 'hey this is an accel section so why not stomp the gas pedal'. He hits Forrest due to difference in speed and somehow advances. This put Forsberg in a Win-Win. Outcome 1 - He is on Forrest's door coming out of Clipping 1 and likely advances. Outcome 2 - He hits Forrest, team cries fowl for lack of speed, advances. How the shit do you allow this to happen as a 'legit' organization?

[LockOn!]

as a 'legit' organization?

Annnnnd there's ur problem.

[brndck]

Annnnnd there's ur problem.

this is why you MUST understand, FormulaD is WWF, with skid cars.
if you try to take it seriously as a motorsport, you're just gonna be irritated.

[timandytimandy]

He flicked it too hard for a transition like that. The extreme angle almost made him park it. Props to McQuarrie for actually avoiding that.

I wouldn't say it was the flick, more the surface transition.

I feel like a lot of people bitching don't have experience driving a course with such an aggressive transition like that. At our local events we have two massive cracks mid sweepers that sends newer people spinning all day if you don't quickly lift at the right time because of the violent weight shift and traction change.

Its well known Forrest had tire / traction issues so his choices were lift and let Chris on his door or stay on throttle and try not to spin.

To me it looked like he maxed his angle out and the car started to spin / angle locked so he let off throttle to scrub angle (and speed), aka parked it.


If/When a Drift Series puts forth rules which heavily favor the chase car, the rule(s) need to be abandoned immediately. No other series in the brief history of this motorsport has ever allowed a chase car to drive thru the lead car and advance.

Its a catch 22, if you favor the lead car its basically a drag race. Or if the lead car is significantly slower you could technically win a round in sr swapped s13 where it would be extremely difficult to chase properly in a current fd spec car.

[Cortius017]

The ONE last driver who had any sort of style or any of my personal respect has now left. He was the only reason I bothered to watch. I still have respect for him, but now I lost a lot of care for fd. Fuck it. Its fucked now

[LockOn!]

this is why you MUST understand, FormulaD is WWF, with skid cars.
if you try to take it seriously as a motorsport, you're just gonna be irritated.


I prefer making an analogy with MonsterJam. The cars are so ridiculous now too. I like street cars :cool:

[Mister.E]

I still have respect for him, but now I lost a lot of care for fd.


I have no respect for the way him/his team just straight up rage quit the very moment that they thought they had been screwed. He is still a great driver though, you can't argue with that.

[brndck]

I have no respect for the way him/his team just straight up rage quit the very moment that they thought they had been screwed. He is still a great driver though, you can't argue with that.

if you paid attention to how many times they'd been shafted previously, it makes a bit more sense. I think this was just the straw that broke the camels back.

[Mister.E]

if you paid attention to how many times they'd been shafted previously, it makes a bit more sense. I think this was just the straw that broke the camels back.


I don't really follow FD at all, for obvious reason. It was hard to avoid this incident though. Which underdog hasn't been screwed in FD? It was a weak way to go out though. If your shit broke, then tell people instead of letting them dog you out like that. They went silent and I still haven't seen an official statement from Forrest regarding his thoughts on what happened.

FD should change their slogan to "Forsberg gets the win."

[Mister.E]

http://news.formulad.com/2016/fd-news/forrest-wang-returns-to-formula-drift/

[Mister.E]

I don't like Gittin, but he basically said what I wanted to say.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160625/ef0665345934cb0a205fc102c60cb51f.jpg

[@(O_o)@]

Vaughn should know a lot about suspension. About $5000 worth of suspension knowledge.

[Matej]

In many other motorsports, using the moment your suspension breaks (if the claim is true) to your advantage by befuddling and sabotaging your opponent would be a dastardly yet really exciting and impressive maneuver. The kind of stuff that makes you love or hate a driver. The way you hate the really good team that always beats your hometown in sportsball. Formula D needs this.

But instead, in drifting it turned into high school princess drama. Feelings were hurt. Judges awarded a participation trophy to Forsberg. Wang threw a hissy fit. Drivers lost respect for each other. Gittin lost his appetite. Boo-hoo. Apparently growing beards and driving 1000hp cars has nothing to do with being manly after all.

Wang should have been awarded the win if he finished drifting the track, whether he made Forsberg hit him intentionally or not. That is good entertainment. If neither of them finished the run, then neither should have been awarded anything. To me, there is no scenario in which Forsberg should be the winner, but I assume Formula D rules are pretty stupid and are all about playing nice and fluffy and stuff.

[OBEEWON]

ujMbBHmwIQ4

This is pretty damn funny

Holy crap this is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
Too good.

[irax]

I love Final Bout... but I think it is mostly because of the cool name and good video editing.

[xilovelsdx]

To me, there is no scenario in which Forsberg should be the winner, but I assume Formula D rules are pretty stupid and are all about playing nice and fluffy and stuff.

Yep in literally every other similar situation the lead was awarded the win when the chase runs into the lead.

[PandahZ650]

http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/FormulaDriftAccelerationMap-620x463.png

Where Forrest slowed up and eventually got hit by Forsberg was in an acceleration zone. Yes Forsberg had a shallow line off the bank and less than ideal angle off the bank, but with the speed of the cars in Formula D no matter what if you expect someone to be hard on throttle at a certain point and they're not, chances are you're going to slam into them. Also didn't help that the chase is pretty much always blinded transitioning off the bank to inner clip 1 at NJ. With any competitive motorsport, you drive to what the judges are asking. The judges wanted drives to accelerate off the bank and through inner clip 1, Forest did the opposite of that and threw a bunch of angle and slowed up. If Forest threw that angle and kept speed this would've been a different story, if Forest threw big angle to scrub speed coming into outer zone 2 this would've been a different story. Forest slowed up in an acceleration zone, plain and simple.

3J46tgtyvpo

[driftsucky]

ujMbBHmwIQ4

This is pretty damn funny
I'm more on Vaughn's side of this (call it bias from DA days and saltiness from Wang never bringing drift sumi-e to the Android platform and me not getting a chance to enjoy it since my wife took my iPod almost 8 years ago), but this may be the funniest version of this I've ever seen. I can't stop laughing.

[OBEEWON]

I don't like Gittin, but he basically said what I wanted to say.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160625/ef0665345934cb0a205fc102c60cb51f.jpg


Wow, this just made me lose respect for Gitten. Even if he feels this way this isn't his place to say it. Super unprofessional.

crap. this is an FD discussion and I said unprofessional. Jokes on me.

[OBEEWON]

Good lord,
I've never seen prostitutes look so awkward.


http://omgdrift.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/FDNJ_Saturday-12.jpg

[xilovelsdx]

(call it bias from DA days and saltiness from Wang never bringing drift sumi-e to the Android platform and me not getting a chance to enjoy it since my wife took my iPod almost 8 years ago)

Damn you are dumb. That was Calvin Wan not Forrest Wang.

[xilovelsdx]

3J46tgtyvpo

3_jO1R5sOLI

Sure looks like he just dropped speed hard right before the hit. Not.

Regardless his shit was broke he got hit everything got fucked up and a call was made that was dumb the whole situation was dumb.

[OBEEWON]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7756/27702830070_017fbd62dd_b.jpg

forrestwang808Dear Fans, Sponsors, Friends, and Family*

There have been many questions as to why *I announced to leave the series so sudden*ly. *I want to let everyone know that the inci*dent between Chris Forsberg in NJ was not* the cause of it. *Sure, at that time there were a lot of em*otions on both sides of the team and we f*elt disappointed with the outcome. *I decided to announce my retirement becau*se I felt that it was necessary to have m*y voice be heard, as I felt there were is*sues with judging and the direction that *Formula Drift is taking. *I appreciate how the sport of drifting ha*s evolved over the years, but I feel that* there is less emphasis on driver skill a*nd style. *It is a challenge to adapt and adjust to *the changes but smaller teams like myself* with a limited budget makes it almost im*possible to keep up with the competition. *I think that by implementing some new cha*nges, it can be more exciting and will ch*allenge the drivers as drivers. *

Formula Drift has been open ears with my *ordeal and has been very supportive and a*re willing to listen to what I have to sa*y. *It will be a challenge for everyone but I* believe that it is important to work tog*ether to make drifting a sport that will be appreciated by all. *

I’m passionate about drifting and have de*voted my life to it. *I don’t want to disappoint my fans, crew,* sponsors and fellow drivers. *I’m excited to return to complete rest of* the season of 2016 Formula Drift. *I appreciate all of the support from ever*yone, especially my fans, to give me the *courage to speak up and return to the ser*ies.

Thank you* -Forrest Wang*

[driftsucky]

Damn you are dumb. That was Calvin Wan not Forrest Wang.

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[Matej]

They should make the entire series like this incident. It finally added some entertainment and people are actually talking about Formula D.

First of all, completely scrap the current format.

Make it so that the leading driver tries to psych out the chase car. Changing angle mid-drift, changing speeds, go wide one run and narrow the next, reverse entries, ride the wall, whatever you can do to make the other driver mess up and show that you have more skill. The chase driver's job would be to stay as close to the lead car as possible while mimicking its every move to the best of the driver's abilities.

That would really require some talent and showcase the skill of the drivers. No more having them follow some perfect computer-generated line. If I wanted to see that, I would watch autonomous cars drifting.
We all know that Formula D will never look cool like grassroots drifting with pretty cars, so they may as well make it exciting to watch, because right now it has nothing going for it.

[Mister.E]

this just made me lose respect for Gitten

This was something I never had

[Beas]

We all know that Formula D will never look cool like grassroots drifting with pretty cars, so they may as well make it exciting to watch, because right now it has nothing going for it.

you should try actually going to an event. watching a livestream is much less exciting no matter what series it is.

[brndck]

Make it so that the leading driver tries to psych out the chase car. Changing angle mid-drift, changing speeds, go wide one run and narrow the next, reverse entries, ride the wall, whatever you can do to make the other driver mess up and show that you have more skill. The chase driver's job would be to stay as close to the lead car as possible while mimicking its every move to the best of the driver's abilities.


kumakubo used to do this all the time. he would mash down the straight, enter with tons of angle, slow waaaaaaaaaaaaaay down till the apex, then rocket out to the next section. mostly it was due to his power levels/setup being way better than everyone else, (you can thank koyama-san for this). People would complain about it then too. Eventually everyone else just improved their cars till they had comparable power/grip levels.

[Ronald_Mcdonald]

you should try actually going to an event. watching a livestream is much less exciting no matter what series it is.


I've been to an event, and I still agree with him.

[brndck]

I've been to an event, and I still agree with him.
bruh. you still alive????
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/29/man-named-ronald-mcdonald-shot-at-north-carolina-sonic-drive-in.html

Man named Ronald McDonald shot at North Carolina Sonic Drive-In
Published June 29, 2016
· FoxNews.com
A man named Ronald McDonald was shot during an argument at a Sonic Drive-In last week in North Carolina.

WNCN-TV reported the shooting occurred in Lumberton Thursday. The 36-year-old McDonald, who is the husband of one of the managers, was in the middle a fight with an employee, identified as 24-year-old Telvin Drummond.

Both men shot at each other and McDonald was struck by the gun fire. The station reported that he was being treated for injuries and they’re not believed to be life-threatening.

[Ronald_Mcdonald]

bruh. you still alive????
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/29/man-named-ronald-mcdonald-shot-at-north-carolina-sonic-drive-in.html

That's hilarious, but it's not my actual name.

[Matej]

you should try actually going to an event. watching a livestream is much less exciting no matter what series it is.
Someone always says that those who have never been to a Formula D event should not criticize it, yet I think Monaco Grand Prix or Pikes Peak are exciting and I have never been.

[OBEEWON]

This was something I never had

LOL dang.

msgln\gth

[driftsucky]

I've been to formula drift events and I enjoy them for what it is. But, I'd much rather spectate at a final bout event. That's really just the nature of corporate/mainstream venture tho (fd). It's a machine built for the masses to enjoy. It's filled with advertisements and endorsements and V8's and smoke and ridiculousness. And if you take it as that, it's enjoyable. If you watch it at simply face value and don't try to mold it into something it CLEARLY isn't and hasn't been for YEARS, it's enjoyable. And if you take someone who only knows drifting as FD and try to introduce them to a Final Bout/grassroots style event, they'll think it's boring. They don't get the spirit or the fun or the comradery or the community of what drifting really is. FD is a live action incarnation of any given F&F movie before 4fast4furious. It's the corporate exploitation of an underground culture, molded to fit the masses for profit. But, that's what IT is supposed to be. I think we're just upset because back in 02/03, it wasn't that. And I'd imagine that FD might have been the reason that many (younger guys) picked up an option/hot version video so they kinda feel betrayed. Personally, Drift Alliance used to be my favorite group of guys. When they "made it", I was happy. Then, just like a great cover band that ends up getting a major label record deal, they went to crap shortly after and I stopped enjoying them as much. Perhaps others feel the same way. Just a theory.

[xilovelsdx]

I watched a 30 min raw file of Final Bout, and all I gotta say is that shit was so fucking boring watching everyone fall on their asses on the first entry. It was just nerve wrecking and embarrassing to say the least.

Ed4Dgxwe_cw

[tricky_ab]

Wow, this just made me lose respect for Gitten. Even if he feels this way this isn't his place to say it. Super unprofessional.

crap. this is an FD discussion and I said unprofessional. Jokes on me.

Jr is a chatty patty...

I watched a 30 min raw file of Final Bout, and all I gotta say is that shit was so fucking boring watching everyone fall on their asses on the first entry. It was just nerve wrecking and embarrassing to say the least.

Ed4Dgxwe_cw

And what does this have to do with the Fomula D thread?

[driftsucky]

I brought up Final Bout. Maybe he's referencing it.

[tricky_ab]

I brought up Final Bout. Maybe he's referencing it.

http://www.aux.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/23.gif

[driftsucky]

I meant to put a shoulder shrug emoji in there and forgot it. lol

[xilovelsdx]

I brought up Final Bout. Maybe he's referencing it.

Dis :wavey:

[OBEEWON]

Jr is a chatty patty...


http://thatplum.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/dame-dash-interview-thebreakfastclub-2015-tp.jpg

[driftsucky]

http://thatplum.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/dame-dash-interview-thebreakfastclub-2015-tp.jpg

I saw this picture and just went through that entire interview in my head. I laughed for a solid 7 minutes.

[OBEEWON]

Hahahahaha. I watched it again myself. Never gets old.

[conrad_s13.5]

Judges have been steady making questionable calls, Forrest has been on the shit end of those calls a few times now, and Forsberg just drives to win. Bending the rules as far as they go, pulling off being a clueless veteran somehow.

All that drama was just the perfect shit storm, that if anything brought to light that the judging needs some serious restructuring.

Maybe they need more than 3 judges..?
Maybe they need to judge differently. Why have an angle judge if thats not what they're looking at anymore?
They need figure it out though.

[pacotaco345]

I've been to formula drift events and I enjoy them for what it is. But, I'd much rather spectate at a final bout event. That's really just the nature of corporate/mainstream venture tho (fd). It's a machine built for the masses to enjoy. It's filled with advertisements and endorsements and V8's and smoke and ridiculousness. And if you take it as that, it's enjoyable. If you watch it at simply face value and don't try to mold it into something it CLEARLY isn't and hasn't been for YEARS, it's enjoyable. And if you take someone who only knows drifting as FD and try to introduce them to a Final Bout/grassroots style event, they'll think it's boring. They don't get the spirit or the fun or the comradery or the community of what drifting really is.

I went to FD Long Beach and Final Bout SSW this year.. I fell asleep in the grandstands at FD (granted being hammered drunk probably contributed to that), but it was fun walking around and drunk poking fun/yelling ridiculous slander at cars surrounded by people who actually took it seriously.

Made a 14 hour mission one way to SSW on Saturday night with a friend because we had nothing better to do and from an entertainment standpoint it was less than spectacular. I did get some rides with a few friends and enjoyed roaming the pits sober, seeing (mostly) cool cars and talking to people from the internet though.

It all just depends on the attitude you show up with

[driftsucky]

I went to FD Long Beach and Final Bout SSW this year.. I fell asleep in the grandstands at FD (granted being hammered drunk probably contributed to that), but it was fun walking around and drunk poking fun/yelling ridiculous slander at cars surrounded by people who actually took it seriously.

Made a 14 hour mission one way to SSW on Saturday night with a friend because we had nothing better to do and from an entertainment standpoint it was less than spectacular. I did get some rides with a few friends and enjoyed roaming the pits sober, seeing (mostly) cool cars and talking to people from the internet though.

It all just depends on the attitude you show up with
Yeah. I think that's the most accurate observation (and possibly unbiased lol). When I started drifting, the coolest thing in the world was seeing guys that you drove with make it "pro". It USED to be really cool. IN all honesty, like I said before, seeing the DA guys go up against the guys I watched in DVD's was kinda surreal. It was like hometown hero makes good. It's not that anymore...at all. I wouldn't even want to see any of my friends or even the drivers I look up to go pro (unless it was like a viable financial means for their family...then, I'd be like ok lol). I'd rather go to a chill event and do pit stuff and whatnot. But, if/when I do go to FD events (on occasion) I just see it as a nascar/monster energy event. Then, I'm cool with it.

[kingkilburn]

How the fuck did Ghitten even get into the final? Heilbrunn had clear advantage on both runs of the first set and even more advantage on the omt.

I love drifting but Formula D needs to fucking go away.

[driftsucky]

...Formula D needs to fucking go away.

You need the machine to keep the masses away from the real stuff.

[kingkilburn]

I don't subscribe from the members only mentality. It's a big part of why I'm not a fan of FD and UFC.

[Crazyced]

Saw my 1st drift event at FD round 5 here in Canada. Got lucky because the Friday top 16 got rained out so on Saturday we got to see both FD Canada and FD USA.

I obviously have nothing to compare it to but I found the show fantastic and most of the feedback I could find agreed that is was a great event overall.

[dorkidori_s13]

Saw my 1st drift event at FD round 5 here in Canada. Got lucky because the Friday top 16 got rained out so on Saturday we got to see both FD Canada and FD USA.

I obviously have nothing to compare it to but I found the show fantastic and most of the feedback I could find agreed that is was a great event overall.

You should probably make it a point to get out and see a FinalBout event... will make you completely forget about Formula DudeBro!

[brndck]

Saw my 1st drift event at FD round 5 here in Canada. Got lucky because the Friday top 16 got rained out so on Saturday we got to see both FD Canada and FD USA.

I obviously have nothing to compare it to but I found the show fantastic and most of the feedback I could find agreed that is was a great event overall.

its interesting to see the perspective of someone who is JUST getting introduced to the sport.

glad you enjoyed it! :snoop::snoop::snoop: