Run Its The Cops!!!

[SoCalS14]

The setup: OK, I cruise out to In & Out in Fullerton, CA for little "import" meet-up. I run into a few guys, there ended up being about 6-7 240's...very nice...However, in the parking lot there are also WRX's, Evo's, and yes, Honda's of every variety. Oh yea, I can't forget about the FC...Nice guy...Clean ride...So what are we doing? Standing around, shooting the breeze, talking about what else....our cars...We stare, laugh, cry at the cars that pass by...some are clean some are funk. Basically we are doing nothing.
The problem: So what happens? A cop shows up...funny thing to because I say "Hey look the PO", and the guy next to me says "ah, he ain't doin nothing"....BAM all of sudden sirens, a towtruck, and a cop on a loudspeaker...Basically chases everyone out of the parking lot, and onto the streets...I felt pretty lucky, I got away... :keke:

The *****: First, I have a real problem with this sort of police action. First of all, we were all "standing in a parking lot"...I have to say, besides a few folks bumpin their stereo's, it was pretty tame night. So we were basically enjoying our hobby...What pisses me off, is that if we were driving a bunch of camaro's, mustangs and chevelle's....THE COPS WOULD HAVE LEFT US ALONE. That really burns me...its like, if they see "imports" they ASSUME trouble is brewing.

Second, whats with the louspeaker and siren? Yea, here is an intelligent idea, lets scare the hell outta a bunch of people, and have them running to their cars, and rushing to leave a parking lot...Sounds safe to you? Sounds like bull**** to me.

Seriously, what the hell is the problem? Have few bad seeds ruined the fun and enjoyment for everyone else? Are we "that bad"??? :rant:

[Brian]

hahah i was gonna go tonight, but i didn't.
awesome.


solution: if you have an illegal car, dont go to stupid gatherings like that.
if you have a legal car. what is there to worry about? let them siren you all they want. my car is legal. i would have stayed.

[holisticbeatz]

pussies.. when the lights turn on and the sirens too, only the ricers scatter like roaches.

[SoCalS14]

They did not break it up until about 11pm...not too bad...I got there at 9....

[Shin_Kudo]

I woulda just walked into the restaurant and gotten in line. The cops have no right to hassle a legitimate customer.

[holisticbeatz]

Yea, I have nothing to fear. Just leave the meth and coke at home.

[Brian]

but they have the right to ticket illegal vehicles.

[Shin_Kudo]

but they have the right to ticket illegal vehicles.

How they gonna know it's illegal, when the owner's not around to pop the hood?

[Brian]

illegal tint
exhaust
height
stickers blocking view
license plates
a nice fat intercooler might provoke some feelings
etc.

[SoCalS14]

My intercooler might give it away...but really your right, I wonder what they would do if I was not around...Wait for me?

[Brian]

maybe.
what else do they have to do?
real work? hahah not likely.
but such is life. if you want to play with your car, you gotta play with the law.

[doh boy]

hahaha, luckily... I left early... I'm the guy with the FC =) How long after I left did the cops come?

Btw, SoCals14, I love your car.. looks great in person, makes me want to trade my turbo II for a zenki, always loved the way zenki's looked (yes I prefer them to kouki's :) )

[SoCalS14]

Man you had great timing, I should have followed you out...They showed up about 15 minutes after you left...it was a sight...

[SoCalS14]

Btw, SoCals14, I love your car.. looks great in person, makes me want to trade my turbo II for a zenki, always loved the way zenki's looked (yes I prefer them to kouki's :) )

Thanks, I appreciate the compliment. It does look quite different in person. Clean FC BTW, I thought it was definitely nice, and from what you described, I am sure it hauls ASS! We should get together for some canyon runs...I am sure we can muster some folks around here...

[Vatche]

so yeah. last time i went to that meet there were tons of cars....doing burn outs and drinkning publicly and stuff, and then the cop comes and drives around just to make them stop. nothing bad happens....i was gonna go but i didnt because of stupid situation like that, if your gonna have a 240 meet, dont meet up with honda guys they always attract dumbass cops, especially in fullerton anaheim santa ana....whatever thats my opinion

[Vatche]

yeah ill go one the canyon run but i have to meet u guys first, i dont trust certain types of people in their cars after a certain incident.... :)

[SoCalS14]

Sounds good, you made some good comments...especially the one about the honda guys...We saw the most hiliarious looking "mugen" civic...Looked like a rolling banner for Mugen...funny stuff...

Anyhow...yea, we should have a little meet-up and decide (if you deem us trustworthy) which canyon run would suit us well...

[NYCRB240sx]

hey guys, sorry to hear about the night as a bust, guess im kind of glad i didn't show up. but then again i wish i could have seen all your rides. well i will have to work it out with you guys and try and meet up sometime soon. very interested to talk chill and check out cars. by the way i have to go down to Mckinney Motorsports so if anyone is interested let me know. i'll give info when i have it. i just have to go and get my intercooler and check on Chris Riggs car (underground-motorsports.com), need parts go to him, great deals. oh and F*&^% the PoPo

[doh boy]

Thanks, I appreciate the compliment. It does look quite different in person. Clean FC BTW, I thought it was definitely nice, and from what you described, I am sure it hauls ASS! We should get together for some canyon runs...I am sure we can muster some folks around here...

thanks! it's pretty quick, but I'm sure your car is pretty quick too! That 'mugen' civic really was something :rofl: :rofl:

Yea, I'd definately be down for some canyon runs, we should call a small meet in So Cal, I'm moving to riverside next tuesday but I'll be back in Garden Grove every weekend. The guy with the silver moss 240sx with the bronze fno1's is going to be living in Riverside too. I'm thinking you would be in Riverside too (UCR)? We should be able to get a nice group of cars, I can think of atleast 2-3 cars besides myself who would be interested.

[SoCalS14]

Sounds good...little 909/951 meet-up....A few cars would be the best...maybe no more than 5 or 6...not sure...anyhow, here is my email...

toomuchpj2aol.com

Hit me up...lets do this.

[240Stilo]

Don't hot rods usually meet during the day? Meeting in a big lot at night is just a little more suspicious than day.

[sideviewcivic]

yah there are a few of us on zilvia out in riverside (khoaddogg) goes to ucr and i go to rcc. we had a tapioca express meet awhile back. it was nice, clean parking lot ample lighting. There's also a bi-weekly or monthly meet im trying to hold at www.adamskarttrack.com since i work there ill see about big groups and pricing or something. PM me if theres gonna be a meet this weekend???

[DRIFTING_SIL_EIGHTY]

hey SoCalS14 nice car. sorry i didnt get a chance to go up to you guys cuz my friend was hungry and i had to take a leak so we were inside In & Out. when i came out i was like "WTF where'd everyone go ?" my friends told me what happened with the cops. i had the multicolored (lol) 240 that was like 5 spaces from you guys. sorry to bring you guys out to that spot cuz that was the first time ive heard of a cop tripping like that. i dont go often but whenever i went it was always kick back. well i plan on setting up a meet in the Gardena/Torrance area if anyone is interested. we had one last year and we invited club4ag and an mr2 forum and it was chill. if you guys are bored and wanna have a lil meet this weekend im down.

[DRIFTING_SIL_EIGHTY]

yeah ill go one the canyon run but i have to meet u guys first, i dont trust certain types of people in their cars after a certain incident.... :)

:wavey: i second this. after our meet last year we went for a lil canyon run and one of the guys almost fell off the cliff. im down to go though if im worthy enough :bowdown:.

[sykikchimp]

but such is life. if you want to play with your car, you gotta play with the law.

you know... living in america, you shouldn't have to deal with this. It's farkin unconstitutional.

1st amendment..
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

and 4th
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I don't believe there is probable cause in a car that is not even running with no one driving....

[mrmephistopheles]

Maybe a call to the local PD letting them know what's up would keep shit like that from happening.
If you make arrangements with the owner of whatever parking lot or establishment you're gathering at, and let the local PD know you'll be having a gathering there and that it's been arranged with the location owner's consent. You can bet your bottom dollar that you'll be WAY less likely to be harassed by cops, and if they DO show up, you can pull their pump card by telling them that their dept. should've known about this. If you're doing nothing illegal they have no cause to bother you, and since you're on private property at the owner's consent, they can't shoo you away. If an incident DOES occur the owner of the property can complain to city hall and the police dept for harassment.
It's all about knowing the system and what IS and ISN'T a good idea.
That said, daytime meets are less likely to be messed with, as nighttime meets ARE suspicious, whether you think they are or not.

[pruto]

Brian, your car ain't legal! its so low it makes my car look like its still stock height =p

as for the PO PO stuff. some people have some serious, serious abuse of power issues. But on the other hand, it is preventative measures i guess cause half the time something bad/(fun for us) goes on at these large import meets as penis measure contests start popping up and the peeps start doing other things than chew the fat.

If they really are out of line, and they're just intimidating cause they're asses, i think there is a serious problem. I personally see it as our responsibility as citizens to keep the authorities in check since hell, no one else does. File complaints if you feel you're mistreated, get the officer's badge number and put them on the spot. Illegal actions goes both ways.

sykikchimp: actually, i know of more than one state where it is illegal to be out in masses at night. i forgot which state, but one of them classifies a group of more than 4-5 pedestrians as a "gang" and reserve the right to break it up. constitutional? nope, sane? nope. But policy makers aren't the smartest bunch, they're just smarter than the majority of people who think the law/policy is always right.

[aznpoopy]

look at it from the cops perspective...

it's late at night. there's a good number of kids with cars that look modified. that's two huge flags right there. anytime there is a bunch of kids about there's going to be mischief. imports tend to be a younger crowd then domestic owners. its just a breeding ground for fighting, vandalism, street racing... he'd be negligent to not at least check out what's going on. i'm not saying you guys are that group; but you have to admit that most of the people who 'trick out' their cars are testosterone driven attention whores... trying to be 'tough' and whatnot. don't blame the cops, blame the 90% of import 'tunerz' who ruin it for everyone else.

[TK]

thats the reason i stopped going to those "meets" 2 years ago... why go somewhere to set yourself up. the police are simply doing their job and most of the cars that go there are setting up races later on in the night.

[HyperTek]

this is why cars shouldnt be mainstreamed as entertaining or a hobby, it brings in [email protected]%^... I dont see any problems with car meets or groups of people, but its the [email protected])%* that ruin it.. becuase big car gatherings probably have had bad situations with law enforcement in previous times that pretty much sets up a "standard" that something can happen at any meet.

[TUnity2]

Yeah,well one morning it was me in blue s13, my girlfriends in her red prelude, and another one our friends in a blue protege' driving to an autocross. were were NOT speeding but since the 3 of us were driving in a line he "assumed" we were up to no good (at 9am on a SUNDAY). he pulls us over and gives us all a speeding tickets for the same exact speed. i knew it was BS so i went to my cousin who is in the sheriffs department in that area and he talked to the officer and you know what he told him,
hehe this is golden,
" They looked like a scene out the the fast and the furious". HAHAHAHA i got the tickets fixed and he lookes like a fat, old, bald headed bastard while my higher ranked cousin laughes in his face.

[SoCalS14]

You all have made some great points. I truely believe that some bad seeds/immature idiots have ruined our ability to hangout. Its to bad that in the ten years I have been into the "car" scene (whatever that means), nothing has changed...Oh yea, except when I had a domestic...I was never bothered...and we use to hang out at a gas station!

"Just some good'ol boys...never meaning no harm..."

[Nissandriver714]

What's funny about the meet to me was how different each crowd seems to be. Honda/Acura owners were making the most noise with their muffler. Some truck was blasting music rediculously loud. 240s seems pretty laid back. Some people drag as they leave for no reason, I bet you that's what got the cops attention. Team 505 anyone? Whatsup with the smoke, lights, and shit??

[SoCalS14]

I remember that Integra!! Thats shit was hilariously stupid!!! Looked as though he had his own club right in his car! I know Team 505? Unfortunately they had a B-series with them...

[misnomer]

mrmem hit it on the head. The legal precedence to move you guys out is loitering. Look at it this way: you are in the parking lot of a business (this is private property, "right to assemble" means nothing), taking up parking places, likely making some noise with stereos and whatnot. You blame the police when the complaint likely came from the business. If you get consent from some business owner before using their lot beforehand, then there is no need to leave. The police likely won't show up, and if they do they aren't going to do anything about it. Shit, what's with the running anyway if you weren't doing anything wrong? Why not speak to the cop? Find out what the problem is, he may even give you some advice on where to meet up. Cops are people too :P

On the other hand, I do like how you went about telling your story. Glad you aren't one of those F*CK THE POLICE assholes :-)

[mav1178]

Who's to say the property owners allowed such meetings on their property?

Perhaps the manager of that In-N-Out called the police to break up the gathering?

You can assemble peacefully all you want, but you also have to respect private property.

As for legal arguments, well, by all means get a good lawyer.

-alex

[slideyourride]

is it like that in every in and out? at my local in and out.. all the Cars show up and show off their rides.. and every 5 min a cop does a roll by and sometimes come into the parking lot and tries to hide behind a garbage dumpster.. hahaha.. they try to kick us out.. but we just say "we are waiting for our friends so we can eat" .. works like a charm.. all i say is fuck the po's :rl:

[psychedelicbeats]

fuck the police. they buy into propaganda and exposure more than the citizens

[mrmephistopheles]

All of you who say fuck the police need to wake up and smell the coffee.
You're not NWA.
They're doing a public service.

Grow the fuck up.

[G_Fish240]

Sad that in todays America its "Guilty untill proven innocent"

[misnomer]

Arright. . . somebody got rid of the rant smiley. I liked the rant smiley. Now I need to rant without a smiley. Thanks, jerks.

Hilarious, the original poster just finishes talking about how some immature people tend to ruin otherwise great gatherings. . . I try to shed some light on what actually might have happened (police usually respond to complaints-- they don't wander around looking to get in everybody's way). . . Immediately afterward we get not one, but TWO ignorant posts. Your attitude that the police are an enemy is only going to cause you and people near you trouble.

Consider the In n Out: how much business are they going to lose because a group of kids is parking in their lot blasting music and making noise? I am not comfortable parking my own car near a group of teenagers hanging out at night. Not that I don't trust teenagers, but kids tend to be careless and they oftentimes don't have respect for other people's properties. OK, so maybe I don't trust teenagers, but I don't trust them for good reason. I was one of them not long ago at all.

A police officer is a civil servant, they are here for us, not against us. Grow up, guys. Your attitude may have been a hit in high school, but it only makes you look bad in the real world.

[SoCalS14]

Consider the In n Out: how much business are they going to lose because a group of kids is parking in their lot blasting music and making noise?...

A police officer is a civil servant, they are here for us, not against us. Grow up, guys. Your attitude may have been a hit in high school, but it only makes you look bad in the real world.

original poster here...I have to admit the line for the drive thru was huge...Packed all night...Plenty were patronizing the establishment...How could you not? Its In & Out...But I do acknowledge your point...fully.

Second, I agree fully with you last statement...and I think it goes to the heart of the problem...Folks just DO NOT grow up sometimes...

[old_s13]

What pisses me off, is that if we were driving a bunch of camaro's, mustangs and chevelle's....THE COPS WOULD HAVE LEFT US ALONE. That really burns me...its like, if they see "imports" they ASSUME trouble is brewing.

this has to be one of the more ignorant comments i've read in a while.

point being? if you were ANY group of individuals with noticeable cars in a parking lot at night, you'de get noticed. shit, even if you DIDNT have a car, a bunch of people in a parking lot, would get noticed. the loud speakers, exhausts, motors, and flashy cars will of course, attract attention -- both good and bad.

its not the few seeds that fucked it up for "everyone," its the type of meeting you guys decided to have, that caused the probem.

You want to hang out and talk cars, go inside the restaraunt and eat.. meet with your friends, talk cars. i'm not against what you guys did, but use some common sense.

IF I WAS in that situation, and cops came blazing sirens.. I would have locked my car and gone inside to get a bite to eat. They cant ticket my car for me not being there, and they cant impound it. Difference here is that you were with a bunch of kids, who think like kids, and run anytime they see "5.0 po po" blah blah. Shit, i'm 26 and I have enough sense (and balls) not to run anytime i see a cop. Folks who run, run because they're either scared or hiding something.

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[mav1178]

Sorry, but until the event is called a car show and treated as such, to business and police it will be treated as a large gathering.

And unfortunately large gatherings with no security = trouble. No matter how much you keep the peace, all it takes is for two assholes to ruin everyone's night. And in America, that happens ALL THE TIME.

So, until someone changes society and make everyone more humble and more respectable towards each other, this game of cop hating will continue.

-alex

[rizzle]

If police receive enough complaints then they will take action. Most likely you guys had a few idiots out there doing stupid shit and burning the spot. Or the cop was a total dick and felt like fucking around with you guys. I know if I was a cop and was bored one night I would find something to do.

"hmmm look at all these imports and all the kids hanging out not doing shit"...........
" fuck it"...
*turn on sirens* ...
" haha"

not a big fucking deal until you have cops blocking off exits with thier cars and about 3 tow trucks :(

[old_s13]

So, until someone changes society and make everyone more humble and more respectable towards each other, this game of cop hating will continue.

-alex

yep, because in japan people meetup in parking lots all the time.. and the thing i found amazing was, everyone was peaceful and respectful.

only out here will you find idiots who have nothing better to do than start shit and act ignorant.

[sideviewcivic]

I have noticed that certain areas are actually looking at meets and gatherings as a profitable measure. out ini riverside during the summer we had a meet near UCR, we notified the owner and he even gave us a 50% discount on drinks that day. it wasnt just 240s, you had honda/acura, domestics, toyotas... cops came by and everyone waved. peace officers made there presence known and me personally if i see someone being an assclown and law enforcement is nearby, i wont hesitate to give your liscense plate and which car and have you harassed by them. like at the shine street meet in the beginning of the year. it was laid back until that guy in the decal'd S14 started revving his engine and doing burnouts. i work with law enforcement so if kids are out at nite you will be noticed if you have someone go up and speak to the officer more than likely they will comply. i have actually had officers that liked the cars and got out and were checking out the imports and comended the owners for using there time in something like a car then smoking weed or some random sh*t

[nismo2491]

All of you who say fuck the police need to wake up and smell the coffee.
You're not NWA.
They're doing a public service.

Grow the fuck up.
thanks bud.
yeah everybody that calls police assholes or shit like that can suck my c*%& yeah maybe there are a few badseed fucking asshole cops but who is the first people you call, or first to the scene, when something happens, car gets broken into, you wreck, shit like that. police are and should be held to the same respect as military. I'm going marines but when I get out I would like to be a cop. show some damn respect people. and grow the fuck up.

What pisses me off, is that if we were driving a bunch of camaro's, mustangs and chevelle's....THE COPS WOULD HAVE LEFT US ALONE. That really burns me...its like, if they see "imports" they ASSUME trouble is brewing.
and to that comment I say this. I live in a small area and if you've been in minor trouble with the law, tend to speed, throw or go to parties you usually know almost all the cops. so basically if your a teenager that follows the normal rule of thumb for teenagers you know cops. most the cops here are pretty cool and sometimes only a few years older. I know about 5 of them offhand that owe more money to there credit cards for building up a civic, or eclipse, or whatever than I owe on mine for my car. I also know a couple that have musclecars. yeah the older guys are probably like "god damn imports, get some real power" but they don't discriminate. I mean shit, a good number of punk asshole kids drive old musclecars, at least around here.

KEvin

[twitchy]

thats funny you US people. Up here where I live, the cops come check out our cars and smoke doobies with us.

[MakotoS13]

i come from a family with plenty of law enforcement background. everytime they make a traffic stop they're trying to figure out if you're going to shoot at them or not. you think that kind of stuff is easy? if i get pulled over for doing something stupid i don't give the cop crap, ya know why? cause i have the balls to say "oh man, i messed up and got caught, time to pay up".

just admit it, a good chunk of those people LIKE the fact that they get hassled so they can act like billy badass on the internet later on. lie to me all ya like but at least be honest with yourselves...

[alkemyst]

Well cops are just like everyone else, only now they 'got da power'.

I am 33 years old....I have gotten in to my share of trouble, but generally I play by the book.

I sold my 1997 GTI VR6 in 1999 to go back to school. I bought a 1996 Saturn SC2....at first I thought it's = suck, but I grew to like it, the handling was very good and braking was great..it was comfortable. Not a bad college car at all and I started 'practicing' mods on it. By the end it was a really nice street car. It wouldn't win much 1/4 mile races (low 15's) nor top speed runs, but it was a fun and cheap car.

Anyway on to the story...me and my Japanese wife are heading to the Island of Palm Beach to Citibank...it's closest branch to us. I enter the island in my blacked out black Saturn and Sheriff Barbrady is on my a$$ the moment I cross the bridge (to the island)...he is 6 inches from me for about 3-4 mins. I do everything right...my wife is confused. We get to Citibank and the asshat pulls up behind me 'T' style. No sirens, no lights. We get out of the car and walk up to the bank (I am thinking he is just being an a$shole and seeing who I am...

as soon as we open the bank door he gets on his squawk box and demands us to come back to the car with our hands in clear view. Needless to say the bank all poured out into the parking lot as this 'cop' tells me how he could have shot me. We went back and forth esp. when I told him flat out I just finished school and I made more than a cop going into it and now much more....plus I would have loved him to shoot him over going into a bank I need to use to conduct international banking with Japan....can't really explain it all here though as you have to know West Palm Beach and the surrounding community.

He gave me a ticket with no explaination, no envelope who to pay, just a citation number and no fine listed.

Turned out he gave me a 'tint' ticket (my windows were both down during my driving, he did have me raise them and checked them, but didn't tell me what the reading was...he checked my lights, my tires, checked seatbelts, and under the hood).

I had to call the police department to find out what to do with the ticket. Apparently this 'new cop' thought working with millionaires made him the new sheriff in town. His Sargeant explained the ticket I got, asked if my tint was illegal (I said it was, only a little though not the limo/5% tint the citation was for), he told me what the fine should be, how to pay it over the phone and that it was not a remove and inspect type offense.

He also assured me that he would be talked too.

:)

[nismo2491]

yeah that sounds like FACS or fucking asshole cop syndrome. but there are fucking assholes in all kinds of work, cooks, waiers, cashiers, etc. you get your share of asshole ones.
KEvin

[old_s13]

thats funny you US people. Up here where I live, the cops come check out our cars and smoke doobies with us.

do they have running water up there too? ;)


just admit it, a good chunk of those people LIKE the fact that they get hassled so they can act like billy badass on the internet later on. lie to me all ya like but at least be honest with yourselves...

true that, bigtime. thats why its fun to call idiots out, for being stupid. oh shit, its the po po, lets ruuuuuuun! its a fuckin human being doing their job, they're WORKING for chrissake. everyone is human, everyone likes to fuck around from time to time. i have customers who are cops, they tell me they want clear sidemarkers even though they are illegal. they've told me "put amber LEDs in there so its less visible, that way some of the other cops wont clown me" .. then he later told me that some hardass cops would even site him, so he's like "can i keep my originals just incase."

serious man.. what a joke. funny shit though, i get e-mails from TONS of domestic car owners wanted "clear lights y0, but with amber bulbs so that they dont get hassled by the po po" -- and what do you think, a DOMESTIC car owner says this.

everyone has to deal with the law, everyone. its just a matter of HOW you plan on dealing with the law.

[Shin_Kudo]

It sucks that these asshole cops make themselves known, it makes it much harder for the cool cops. (Or near-future cool cops, in my case.)

[SilviaBoston]

Here in Boston a few people are trying to round people up to meet up at 24hr car washes because you can stay there as long as you want and not get busted....instead of running from parking lot to parking lot. If a cop does say some thing just throw a few cars in the wash and thats that...whats he gonna do?

[SoCalS14]

What pisses me off, is that if we were driving a bunch of camaro's, mustangs and chevelle's....THE COPS WOULD HAVE LEFT US ALONE. That really burns me...its like, if they see "imports" they ASSUME trouble is brewing.

this has to be one of the more ignorant comments i've read in a while.

point being? if you were ANY group of individuals with noticeable cars in a parking lot at night, you'de get noticed. shit, even if you DIDNT have a car, a bunch of people in a parking lot, would get noticed. the loud speakers, exhausts, motors, and flashy cars will of course, attract attention -- both good and bad.

its not the few seeds that fucked it up for "everyone," its the type of meeting you guys decided to have, that caused the probem.

You want to hang out and talk cars, go inside the restaraunt and eat.. meet with your friends, talk cars. i'm not against what you guys did, but use some common sense.

IF I WAS in that situation, and cops came blazing sirens.. I would have locked my car and gone inside to get a bite to eat. They cant ticket my car for me not being there, and they cant impound it. Difference here is that you were with a bunch of kids, who think like kids, and run anytime they see "5.0 po po" blah blah. Shit, i'm 26 and I have enough sense (and balls) not to run anytime i see a cop. Folks who run, run because they're either scared or hiding something.

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Old S13, you can say what you like, but I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT ("ignorant"). I just want to make that known.

Second I have owned both domestics and imports. When I use to run with domestics, all we ever got at an IN & Out was "hey nice cars" . Because if you have ever been inside one, you'll notice how they market this idea...the nostaglia of a by-gone era where musclecars ruled the streets...

Lastly, if you actually took the time to read my ENTIRE post, you will notice that, although I do not appreciate the WAY the police made their presence known, I ACTUALLY FINISHED THE POST WITH THE QUESTION:

"Have we screwed this up?" "Are we really that bad??"...and it appears, especially from what other posters have mentioned...YES WE ARE. Period. End of story. I am not flaming the cops...maybe questioning their tactics...but thats all...

Everything that folks have mentioned, especially concerning proper ways of organizing, are great suggestions. And it is a service to all those reading this thead to know HOW to do this properly.

I did not run...I walked...I noticed that others were running...

And by the way, I am hiding something...the SR under the hood...

[nismo2491]

yeah but it still was a pretty ignorant statement you made. a gross generalization if you ask me. you could have been like "if were were domestics he PROBABLY would have left us alone" but you still made a gross generalization, sorry but old s13/Mike is still right.
KEvin

[SoCalS14]

yeah but it still was a pretty ignorant statement you made. a gross generalization if you ask me. you could have been like "if were were domestics he PROBABLY would have left us alone" but you still made a gross generalization, sorry but old s13/Mike is still right.
KEvin

Gross generalizations??? Given the over abundance of idiots driving imports, the marketing of stupid thematic depictions (ie. F&F) I do not believe this statement to be a gross generalization. I truely believe that domestics are cut much more slack then imports. Period. Mike is full of shit.

edit: Mike is PROBABLY full of shit...given I cannot attest to whatever else he might think.

[sykikchimp]

just a warning.. keep it civil, or take it to PM.

[wylin]

If you want to have a fun and safe meet/ event you should:

Obtain a license or local permit (usually less than 100$) for your event from the local municipality who will then alert law enforcement not to BOTHER your event, also arrange rental fees or agreements w/ the establishment owners/ lease holders where you are going to have your event (so that your parties do not break the law by loitering), and post up rules that bar parties from entering and creating reasons for law enforcement to come to your event because of citizens complaints such as: do not allow stupid behavior to happen such as burn out and public drunkenness.

[wylin]

Sorry, but until the event is called a car show and treated as such, to business and police it will be treated as a large gathering.

And unfortunately large gatherings with no security = trouble. No matter how much you keep the peace, all it takes is for two assholes to ruin everyone's night. And in America, that happens ALL THE TIME.

So, until someone changes society and make everyone more humble and more respectable towards each other, this game of cop hating will continue.

-alex

We should take an example from texas's book (especially california) and allow everyone to carry a firearm as long as it is not concealled. That would reduce the number of ASShats that try to act tough and show off.

[SoCalS14]

If you want to have a fun and safe meet/ event you should:

Obtain a license or local permit (usually less than 100$) for your event from the local municipality who will then alert law enforcement not to BOTHER your event, also arrange rental fees or agreements w/ the establishment owners/ lease holders where you are going to have your event (so that your parties do not break the law by loitering), and post up rules that bar parties from entering and creating reasons for law enforcement to come to your event because of citizens complaints such as: do not allow stupid behavior to happen such as burn out and public drunkenness.

Everything that folks have mentioned, especially concerning proper ways of organizing, are great suggestions. And it is a service to all those reading this thead to know HOW to do this properly.

Been said, and agreed with.

[MakotoS13]

We should take an example from texas's book (especially california) and allow everyone to carry a firearm as long as it is not concealled. That would reduce the number of ASShats that try to act tough and show off.


what? i'm a texan that'd gladly carry a colt on my hip if it were legal. i think the law is that it has to be concealed so as not to freak people out.

[sykikchimp]

In NC guns have to be in the open, or locked in the trunk. It's the officers discression if a weapon is concealed or not. If it is, your screwed.

[nismo2491]

Gross generalizations??? Given the over abundance of idiots driving imports, the marketing of stupid thematic depictions (ie. F&F) I do not believe this statement to be a gross generalization. I truely believe that domestics are cut much more slack then imports. Period. Mike is full of shit.

edit: Mike is PROBABLY full of shit...given I cannot attest to whatever else he might think.
I don't think its the matter of what cars are hanging out, but more of what the people look like. think of it this way if you were a cop.
you're driving by and see a bunch of 16-late 20s guys hanging out with their imports, you're going to think eventually a race or fight or something will break out. same thing but this time its guys in there 30s and 40s hanging out. you'll probably cut them a lot more slack. same situation with the young kids but this time musclecars, you'll think the same thing as the first time most likely. and last situation is 30s and 40s with musclecars, you'll think the same thing as the second time.
basically its a matter of who drives what. the majority of modded imports are driven by teenagers/young adult males who as a general demographic group are trouble makers, not meaning major felony crimes, but just mischevous stuff. whereas most musclecars, are driven by guys in there upwards of 30 who usually are generally law abiding citizens. if you were a cop who would you be more wary about hanging out in a random parking lot? businessmen, or testerone filled young adult males?
I rest my case. Your witness.
KEvin

[SoCalS14]

Thank you, I will start my cross...

What mainly comes to my mind would be what is currently being pushed as the norm...Imports driven by stupid kids...I call this a "recency effect"...the most recent available information would be stupid kids driving imports...So what I am saying is, IMPORT CARS themselves are a "cue" for mischievious individuals...hard to face eh? I think it sucks.

However, if it were a group of decent looking musclecars, with some mid twenties drivers (I'm 27)...I bet they would be left alone, if not complimented on there cars...Face it, people, especially the older gen's can appreciate musclecars MUCH more than imports....on average...Again the location fits in here...In & Out markets this very musclecar, nostalgic past...

Now mind you, I limited my comments to CARS, you are talking about people, and I have already agreed that folks were not being smart about their presence...

[nismo2491]

Yes I did bring up groups. I did not say that imports are limited to the teenagers/young adults/mid-late 20's males (just for easier reading lets say 30-)but I merely stated that it the major demographic. whereas the major demographic for musclecars is middle aged+ (for easier reading we'll use 30+, by no means is 30 the definite cutoff) males. also if you look at minor crime rates (ie street racing, loud parties, noise problems, underage drinking, minor drug use, etc) the majority of those are being commited by the 30- guys. yes there will always be a few 30+ guys involved in that stuff but normally its the 30- guys (And in no way am I excluding females from this its just that they are a definite minority in the car scene)
here we face the problem of image. the image of the 30- group is young, dumb and full of cum. whereas the image of the 30+ group is of course more mature, less apt o break laws, etc.
now here is where that image comes into greater play. as a cop if you look at a group of 30-'ers with decent musclecars you will most likely think somebody who has a steady job, good head on their shoulders, and generally more mature. if as a cop you look at a group of 30+'ers with imports these guys usually stick the more expensive imports, ie the late model rx-7, rx-8, bmw's, 350z, etc. the musclecars of imports if you will.
also take into play the groups reaction. as soon as he hit his lights they ran even though they weren't doing anything illegal. as a cop if that happens what would you think?
personally if I am at any type of meet and a cop rolls up I am usually the one to walk over and introduce myself to the officer in the most mature and polite way I can and ask if there's a problem. if there is he will then usually tell me plain out. be it the building owner does not want us there, we don't have permission to be there, etc. if there is not a problem he will usuallysay something like he's just checking it out to make sure we're behaving. I then go relay that information to the group and if he said we have to leave everybody leaves in a normal manner, rather than getting out as fast as possible, if he says we're cool we stay.
in closing of this counter-counter-counterpoint I ask this question.
If you as a cop, see a group of 30- imports hanging out somewhere and a group of 30+ imports hanging out who are you more apt to bother?
KEvin
my response shall come tomorrow, I'm hitting the sack.

[SoCalS14]

Yes I did bring up groups...

...as a cop if you look at a group of 30-'ers with decent musclecars you will most likely think somebody who has a steady job, good head on their shoulders, and generally more mature...

...If you as a cop, see a group of 30- imports hanging out somewhere and a group of 30+ imports hanging out who are you more apt to bother?
KEvin
my response shall come tomorrow, I'm hitting the sack.

Kevin you are a good sport...At least you acknowledge the fact that I have proven my point...

...You note that 30-'ers with decent musclecars are perceived more favorably...

Thank you.

Now on to what you mentioned....

I agree. 30-'ers with "upscale" imports will most likely be perceived in the same fashion as 30-'ers with decent muscle cars...

One thing to note here...It can be said, that the honda's of today are really no different then the mustangs and camaros of yesterday...Cheap, available cars you can modify.

I would, as a cop, based soley on the INDIVIDUALS, be skeptical of the 30- group...Again, your question focuses on individuals rather than cars...Buts its cool, I am not going to bullshit to make a point...your right about individuals...and so I wrap this up by saying...

Closing arguement...

Who is more associated with import cars? Young stupid kids/racers. The media promotes this, individuals (by their actions) prove this...and it all ends up in Joe-bag'o-donuts-cop's head. And THAT is why imports attract MORE attention than musclecars.

The defense rests your honor.

[nismo2491]

I concur with the defense actually on who is most associated with imports.
KEvin
good debate

[bkfill]

happen at the carisma meeting a few days ago also

[old_s13]

i never get hassled with my car, its got an SR and has a complete stripped interior. i've had them ask me if its stolen, i tell them that i'm rewiring the car and they leave me alone.

if your car looks like its ready for F&F, then thats your problem for making your car excessively flashy and having poor taste. not saying you are or arent, i cant tell since ive never seen your car -- but i can speak for my OWN car and say i dont get hassled.

now, if its ANY authority that IS going to waste time hassling, its CHP and motorcycle cops. if you're gonna talk shit, atleast talk about them.. because they're the ones who hassle EVERYONE.. not just imports, ANY ONE.

wake up man, you just make things seem like the world revolves around you and your SR. big stink, you should've walked away and gotten a soda. a car sitting in a parking lot isnt going to get towed by the cops.. "fleeing" from the scene is. people run when they've got shit to hide.

[SoCalS14]

i never get hassled with my car, its got an SR and has a complete stripped interior. i've had them ask me if its stolen, i tell them that i'm rewiring the car and they leave me alone.

if your car looks like its ready for F&F, then thats your problem for making your car excessively flashy and having poor taste. not saying you are or arent, i cant tell since ive never seen your car -- but i can speak for my OWN car and say i dont get hassled.

now, if its ANY authority that IS going to waste time hassling, its CHP and motorcycle cops. if you're gonna talk shit, atleast talk about them.. because they're the ones who hassle EVERYONE.. not just imports, ANY ONE.

wake up man, you just make things seem like the world revolves around you and your SR. big stink, you should've walked away and gotten a soda. a car sitting in a parking lot isnt going to get towed by the cops.. "fleeing" from the scene is. people run when they've got shit to hide.

Its good to know you are comfortable about being asked if your car is stolen...I figure thats obvious when I hand him the registration. I don't know about you, but I don't enjoy someone, no matter who, accusing me of stealing.

You say you don't get hassled, but cops have asked you if your car is stolen...hmmm...ok. I buy that. Then you say the CHP harasses everyone...whats it gonna be? Are you hassled or not?

My car is not a F&F look'a like, no stickers, no neon, no street racing...

Lastly, no, I do not think the world revolves around me and my SR, there were quite a few individuals in that parking lot besides me...I was merely questioning the police tatics, and the discrimination they have toward import enthusiasts...or, like Nismo stated, 30-'ers...Maybe you like to be spotlighted...like you are when they think you stole your car, but I don't.

I DID walk to my car...and left the premises..."fleeing from the scene"??? I was asked to leave...I left. why push my luck? I just spent plenty of money on an engine I would like to retain. That I DO CARE ABOUT.

Break out the sniffing salts...you need'm.

[MakotoS13]

One thing to note here...It can be said, that the honda's of today are really no different then the mustangs and camaros of yesterday.

bullcrap. that's like saying ricky martin is as good as johnny cash.

you are the exact kind of person i made my whole first rant about. you WANT this so you can feel like you have some cause to fight against, some purpose for existing. you piss and moan about people doing their jobs when you'd do the exact same thing in their position.

if i was a cop and i saw 6 vipers in a parking lot late at night and 4 imports a cross the street who do you think i'll question first? the guys with less to lose. simple as that, dude. thats why high end folk don't get questioned NEAR as much as us.

deal with it you big baby.

[old_s13]

deal with it you big baby.

seriously man, this guy is such a pussy its not even funny.

i sit here reading his bullshit and think "why is he whining so much." dude, its a fucking parking lot.. cops rolled by. here you are and you go online and make this big pissy fit of a post about it.

do you have nothing better to do? am i egotistical and a dick for calling you out? are you going to tear and catch feelings over it?

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... sob sob, TEAR.....................

- mike

ps: who cares if a cop ASKS me if my car is stolen? thats not harassment, he's not sweating me. i would be pissed if he impounded the fucker, but they dont. why? because i'm pimp like that, i am honest and respectful, and know how to speak to people who risk their lives -- show some respect thats all. you make everything sound so sceney and trendy. if there is someone i want to talk to, i get their number and talk cars with them. this whole late-night-parking-lot-chilling thing.. just a waste of time.

[SoCalS14]

Wow....I didn't know Zilvia was full of tough guys...Right on...I guess you are pimp :jerkit:

Talk about having lives? Have you forgot this is a online discussion forum? I try to engage in a little friendly discussion, an experience which I had one night which you obviously disagree with, and you start name calling?

I think you need to grow up...What do you think this is? The playground?

AND then you have the balls to talk about respect? and knowing how to talk to people? Sure bro...sure...I buy that.

Your full of complete shit aren't you? :barf:
come on, admit it...you are uh?

I think your name should read: punk_S13 ...because thats all you are.

And Makato...No, I wasn't saying Honda's are AS good, I said they are modded and favored like they (older cars to which I refered) were...

[*NismoS13*]

Everytime something like that happens to my group and I, we stay where we are calm and wait for all the ricers to haul ass out of there. Then, when the Police come and ask us what we're doing, we simply tell them we're just hanging out and didn't feel like running from them as it would cause problems and a dangerous situation.

Most of the time, they simply tell us that we did the right thing and leave us alone.

As long as you're smart about things when those situations arise, you won't have a problem.

[old_s13]

Talk about having lives? Have you forgot this is a online discussion forum? I try to engage in a little friendly discussion, an experience which I had one night which you obviously disagree with, and you start name calling?

I didnt forget, of course this is an online discussion forum. For one, its on the internet. Second, we discuss here. Third, its a forum for talking shit -- nothing more, nothing less. Who cares if someone comes off as brash, its just chit-chat.. you cant seriously take anything *I* have to say as personal. Why be polite and super nice, when you can be a dick and make funny jokes about stupid situations. Its not about being "pimpy" its about knowing how to shoot the shit.


I think you need to grow up...What do you think this is? The playground?

Yes, Zilvia.NET is a playground. Our playground. Learn to play with the other kids or you'll need to get transferred to lesser forums like .. well you know.


Your full of complete shit aren't you?

pretty much, I am.


come on, admit it...you are uh?

dude quit pushing me, I already say, yes, I am full of shit.


I think your name should read: punk_S13 ...because thats all you are.

i aint no punk, but you a new fool (hehe)


nismos13> As long as you're smart about things when those situations arise, you won't have a problem.

yeah well, we already found out the answer to that one, didnt we. ;)

[SoCalS14]

Third, its a forum for talking shit -- nothing more, nothing less.

Nice to know this forum is ran like so...

i aint no punk, but you a new fool (hehe)

I may be new to posting on this forum, but I've been involved with cars my whole adult life...Musclecars to imports...been there, done that ('cept drifting, not a drifter)

The one thing I have noticed my whole life, there is always someone out there willing to talk shit, nothing good to say... :blah:

I have also noticed that these folks either have shitty cars, shitty jobs or shitty girlfriends...hehe...Just sucks they make everything shitty around them...it too bad really...

[mav1178]

in before the lock! HAHAHA

mike you r0x. j00 winn4r!

-alex

[nismo2491]

wow went from a nice friendly debate to a heated argument. niiiice job guys.
in before the lock.
<---- post whore.
KEvin

[SoCalS14]

wow went from a nice friendly debate to a heated argument. niiiice job guys.
in before the lock.

Yup...thats what you get from guys with Mikes attitude...

[sykikchimp]

Disrespect is not acceptable. That includes name calling.

One more time, and you will both be punished. consider this your warning.

thread locked before you can be more childish.