The 90's were the height of Import Performance...what the hell happened?

[turboshoebox]

Mazda-rx7
Toyota-Supra, MR2
Lexus: sc300/400, GS300/400
Nissan: R32, R33, R34, S13,S14,S15, Z32 etc etc.
Honda:Integra Type R, Civic Type R, S2000
Mitsubhishi: 3000 GT VR4, EVO etc.
http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/03/110-450x326.jpg

Is it just me or none of the modern day cars have the soul of the 90's cars? Bland and boring.

R35...nope
Evo and stil: just not the same
FRS/BRZ: Nice try but no
Z33 and z34: NO z feeling no more
Genesis coupe: meh

http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/03/22-450x340.jpg

[zombiewolf513]

R35...nope

R35...dope*

[civilized_drifter]

Anyone else notice his inability to make a thread worth a damn? Ill answer, as technology advances so does everything else around it. It's simple really, even a southern poverty redneck could answer it. The R35 is a bmf, but you wouldnt know it without someone informing you.

[KAT-PWR]

Anyone else notice his inability to make a thread worth a damn? Ill answer, as technology advances so does everything else around it. It's simple really, even a southern poverty redneck could answer it. The R35 is a bmf, but you wouldnt know it without someone informing you.

You'd think after you were 30 you wouldn't have such a dire need to impress people on the internet. I've only seen him take the general consensus of others and tries to make posts hoping he will be backed up and validated.
Every knows about the "golden" era. Its really really beating a dead horse.
Just do you.

[Cash]

There are plenty of modern day sport coupes and sedans that look nice and out perform the 90s imports you listed. Wait two decades and they too will carry the same nostalgia as the vehicles you listed.

[5280VertDET]

:drama:

Well, this began poorly and will likely end REALLY WELL with lots of useful discussion...

[Malik]

the r35 rules

[turboshoebox]

There are plenty of modern day sport coupes and sedans that look nice and out perform the 90s imports you listed. Wait two decades and they too will carry the same nostalgia as the vehicles you listed.

out performs stock yes....same soul...no

[rv_zenki]

frs/brz: Nice try but no


why not...? The FRS/BRZ is very similar to a 240sx. Light, 4 seat coup, underpowered, great handling. Whats not to like?

[dizzariot]

why not...? The FRS/BRZ is very similar to a 240sx. Light, 4 seat coup, underpowered, great handling. Whats not to like?

Don't waste your time. This kid is just trying to hike his post count up by posting bullshit threads. It's apparent he has no fucking logic to back his claims. Have you ever seen The Departed?

"Do you wanna be a cop or do you want to appear to be a cop?"

[Cash]

out performs stock yes....same soul...no

What do you mean by soul? How did 90s imports have "soul?" I think you're just feeling nostalgic.

[EJ8 944]

The cars of the 90's are the obvious "Cars of the 60's" for the young generations today, this is why the value on many of the popular cars of the 90's are starting to soar in value.

Are there gonna be newer cars, with better technology and equipment? You betcha. Will it be the same? No.

I'll be the first fan boy to admit, I plan to enjoy these cars through my life time, I'm a die hard 90's fanboy. DIE HARD.

http://deepfocusreview.com/reviews/images/diehard.4.jpg

[Bmx240sx]

Yummy


Don't feed the scene kids...

[ixfxi]

hey look everybody...

he made a 450x326 photo compilation of 6 cars - COOOOOOL! :-P

edit: is that an SVX? and whats that 3000GT doing there?!?! YUCK.

[OBEEWON]

I had my S14 up for sale and a cat offered me an SVX for trade. When I said no thanks he sent me a 4 paragraph PM on how great and rare the SVX was and how dumb I was for dismissing it. Which confused me as to why he wanted to trade it for my S14.

[Cash]

Surprised the SVX window style didn't catch on.

[omgRWDgoodness!]

edit: is that an SVX? and whats that 3000GT doing there?!?! YUCK.
Some nutsack in a 3000GT couldn't wait and decided to make a left turn directly in front of me today, would've T-boned him if I didn't slam on the brakes. Stupid car, stupid owners.

[ZX88]

All cars suck.

[EJ8 944]

All cars suck.

Let's give a warm welcome the voice of reason in this thread.
:bow:

[XMcEvilson]

Some nutsack in a 3000GT couldn't wait and decided to make a left turn directly in front of me today, would've T-boned him if I didn't slam on the brakes. Stupid car, stupid owners.lol a 3000GT passed like I was standing still, then about 5 min down the road I see him pulled over with a cop behind

[sil80takashi]

Collapsing of Japanese asset price bubble happend

[Malik]

All cars suck.

i giggled :keke:

[StruckANerve]

Why are all the pics for the current cars crappy four door sedans? Your argument is invalid.

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[imotion s14]

Collapsing of Japanese asset price bubble happend

and their 2-1/2 decades they spend wrecking their economy by throwing good money after bad to recover the "losses" from those assets.

[Matej]

Is it just me or none of the modern day cars have the soul of the 90's cars? Bland and boring.
You are the type of person to whom the pinnacle of performance technology are a purple anodized HKS blow-off valve and an old dented ARC induction box.

[RB25GUY]

Mazda-rx7
Toyota-Supra, MR2
Lexus: sc300/400, GS300/400
Nissan: R32, R33, R34, S13,S14,S15, Z32 etc etc.
Honda:Integra Type R, Civic Type R, S2000
Mitsubhishi: 3000 GT VR4, EVO etc.
http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/03/110-450x326.jpg

Is it just me or none of the modern day cars have the soul of the 90's cars? Bland and boring.

R35...nope
Evo and stil: just not the same
FRS/BRZ: Nice try but no
Z33 and z34: NO z feeling no more
Genesis coupe: meh



I was a porter at my Infiniti dealership Pepe Infiniti ( which is the number one Inifinti dealership in the United States for 5 years and counting) for 3 years prior to being a customer care rep I've driven a diverse amount of cars and the 370z nismo was a great z trans shifts good suspension is stiff as hell as far as z's go it was a fun car to drive i doubt you've driven one saying they dont feel like Z's Ive driven Z32s and they are slow as shit even the twin turbo ones they handle like poop mainly because of the worn out 20 pluss year old bushings and tired VG's BRZ are seriously fun in the rain with a legit rear end 4 foor G37s six speeds are dope AF for a sporty sedans R35 well unless you've driven one you cant speak on it because i have and they are fucking amazing just hold the three R's down and hold on. by far the Q50s hybrid was a soulful car as far as newer cars go the thing is just a monster just kills that they dont have manual Infiniti cars as of 2014 just my 2 cents

[Corbic]

My only gripe is that the 4-cylinder engine seemingly ran out of steam.

A 90's B-series or 4G would pull all day against a Lt1 or 4.sux.

Muscle cars, V8s and V6s just got good. 440-700hp V8s, +300hp is the norm for Moms V6 Camry...

Makes everything look weak by comparison. Evo is dead. STI is stagnant and the FRS with 200hp is a joke.

I'm tired of the BS Japanese "balance" logic. No one in America gives a shit.

[TougeSR20Kid]

IMO the main reason why the classic 90s cars are better than the new shit is they are easier to modify. You can typically mess with the motor without throwing a bunch of engine lights. You can physically work on the cars easier, they have more room and less shrouding in the engine bay, but in terms of performance you're just flat out wrong sorry.

The GTR alone invalidates your whole argument. Despite their move from my favorite motor of all time that sounded like pure sex to a v-6 that sounds so-so. That car looks good and performs like a monster.

[kashira kureijii]

I'm not gonna lie, 90's are all awesome and stuff, but that doesn't mean they are somehow endemic to "good jap cars". the same could be said of the 70's era of overhead cams being their strong point, and toyota and nissan coming out with their fist performance engines. what about the 80's? you got ae86's and all those ke corollas (albeit much more badass in japan), fc rx7, and all sorts of other cool stuff. for the 90's How often do you see most of the cars on the list? FD rx7's are pretty rare and expensive, and treally no car in the american market besides a few got anything good anyway, How are ka24e 240's the golden age of nissans? how is a d15?(don't know anything about hondas) powered civic the kaido racer of japan awesomeness? That 90's thing may have been moderately true for every other market, but I don't think it really applies to the US very strongly.

seriously though, they really screwed up on the fr-s. they really should have given it an I4, high hp or not. Thats why you see most "built" fr-s series cars being "built" primarily out of exterior and interior trinkets, rather than any kind of performance mod

[Malik]

but we still get the r35

[LI NY 240sx]

I just don't like that you can't get the R35 with a true manual transmission. If I had the money to buy one, I think that might cause me to look into something else.

[Cheesy Doriftos]

i'd take an R35 over any 90's FWD honda that's for damn sure.

[Matej]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5m8t2ZS7j1r65c3co1_500.gif

[StruckANerve]

The R35 doesn't really apply in this discussion considering it's nearly 100 grand. It's more comparable to ferrari and porche.

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[Cheesy Doriftos]

nsx's and fd rx-7's weren't that affordable to us broke bois in the 90's either.

[TougeSR20Kid]

The R35 doesn't really apply in this discussion considering it's nearly 100 grand. It's more comparable to ferrari and porche.

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How does it not apply in this discussion? Its from this era and from Japan. That is the discussion. I mean lets be real when the Supras and Skylines and FD's came out they were hella expensive also. I mean a regular old Turbo Supra was a $40,000 car in 1995 and thats without any of the extras. In today's money that'd be like $62,000 which still isn't as the GTR is but still high and unaffordable for most.

But this whole argument is very opinion based one. I mean there were other badass cars produced post 2000 from Japan. FRS are pretty dope, so are a lot of the new subies. Did you completely forget about Mitsu Evo's? Sure they're not RWD and driftable but they are pretty beastly street cars nonetheless. I would rock the hell out of an EVO X if i had the money.

[TougeSR20Kid]

nsx's and fd rx-7's weren't that affordable to us broke bois in the 90's either.

Exactly, I forgot to use the NSX as an example but you're correct. The later 90's models sold for like $89k

[feito]

yeah!!! fuck the 60's and 70's!!!

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[kashira kureijii]

^ NO TE27 LEVIN, 0/10


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[supersayianjim]

yes, the modern cars suck ass. there automatics and un-sporty. Toyota has dropped out of the SERIOUS sports car game. and all that's left is Nissan who are still serious about making a fast 5 speed import car.

[murda-c]

yes, the modern cars suck ass. there automatics and un-sporty. Toyota has dropped out of the SERIOUS sports car game. and all that's left is Nissan who are still serious about making a fast 5 speed import car.

which car is that?

[Corbic]

yes, the modern cars suck ass. there automatics and un-sporty. Toyota has dropped out of the SERIOUS sports car game. and all that's left is Nissan who are still serious about making a fast 5 speed import car.


Yes but look at the other cars we get.

We now have two options of Civic Si and a turbo on the way.

We have a large range of turbo Hyundais and Kias. The Optima is fucking dope as shit.

We also have turbo Subarus and turbo Mazdas.

When you look at USDM Japanese offerings in the 90's, they where actually not the stellar.

Truck motor KA powered 240 secretary cars. Two years for a SOCH Civic "Si" and Two years for a B16 "Si". No WRX, No Skyline, No Evo, No Turbo Soarer, No Turbo anything Lexus. No turbo Sentra, etc.

Mazda did nothing in the 90's. Also if you where 18 in 1993, anything cool would have been astronomically out of your price range. A MKIV Supra was a $60,000 car in today's money.


In 20 years people will be gushing over today. 300hp turbo WRX, Mazda 3, Focus and Fiesta ST. Turbo Mustang and Camaro. Genesis Coupe, Audi S4, BMW 330. +400hp Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, Corvette, M3, and Lexus ISF.

And now we have +550hp Shelbys, Zo6, 911 Turbos, GTRs, CTS-V, ZL1 and of course the 700hp Challenger that costs as much as a 90's Supra.

All the while these cars have gained 50% in fuel economy, have extraordinary safety features, handle better, brake better and have interiors that surpass luxury cars from 15 years ago.

[TurboTiger]

Tons of great options nowadays.

[ixfxi]

and modern cars are drive by wire which sucks fuckin cock
and they are obd-ii which also sucks fuckin cock

id rather have obd2 with useful info vs blinking led bullshit with obd1. however, i wish all manufacturers would have included ecus that give false readings like vw - that would be nice.

you just cant win them all. there are pros and cons to everything i guess.

[Matej]

Old cars are fun to tinker with because they are simple. New cars seem like a nightmare to mod.
Even if automakers make all the 'spiritual' S-chassis/Supra/RX7 successors people want, I think I will rather stick to old embarrassing pre-mid-90s cars as a hobby.
That is unless someone releases an appealing barebones car, similar to the Alfa Romeo 4C.

[turboshoebox]

and modern cars are drive by wire which sucks fuckin cock
and they are obd-ii which also sucks fuckin cock

id rather have obd2 with useful info vs blinking led bullshit with obd1. however, i wish all manufacturers would have included ecus that give false readings like vw - that would be nice.

you just cant win them all. there are pros and cons to everything i guess.

Why is being odb II such a big deal? Had a 97 s14 with sr20 swap, cams, bigger turbo, power FC etc etc. but being obd ii didn't seem to effect me? :confused::confused:

[Matej]

Why is being odb II such a big deal? Had a 97 s14 with sr20 swap, cams, bigger turbo, power FC etc etc. but being obd ii didn't seem to effect me? :confused::confused:
Until you have to plug it in to pass an annual/biennial inspection in various states/counties.

[turboshoebox]

Until you have to plug it in to pass an annual/biennial inspection in various states/counties.

obd1 or 2 it doesnt matter. SR20 Swap is illegal in california. So both have to become friends with a smog guy if u know what i mean :p

[Matej]

Yes, people employ shady/illegal ways of circumventing the inspection, but it still poses a hassle and presents an annoying hurdle to modding OBDII cars in many places. If you go SR you already know what you are getting into, but some people just want to have a bit of fun with their car without feeling like a criminal for modding it.

[tlieberman240]

Height of performance? Pffft

Modern day Evo and STI outperform the R34 substantially.
Hell, the civic type r from like '07 lapped Suzuka faster than the FD, NSX, and R34 by like 4 seconds. The R35 is miles ahead in terms of performance in comparison to all those cars.

If you're talking about aesthetics, fine, but all that is subjective. When you're talking about performance numbers and stats, then get real.

[turboshoebox]

Yes, people employ shady/illegal ways of circumventing the inspection, but it still poses a hassle and presents an annoying hurdle to modding OBDII cars in many places. If you go SR you already know what you are getting into, but some people just want to have a bit of fun with their car without feeling like a criminal for modding it.

so why is obd ii such a big deal then then?

If u are obd 1 or 2 you stilll have to go thru the same hassle to pass smog or inspections?

[turboshoebox]

Height of performance? Pffft

Modern day Evo and STI outperform the R34 substantially.
Hell, the civic type r from like '07 lapped Suzuka faster than the FD, NSX, and R34 by like 4 seconds. The R35 is miles ahead in terms of performance in comparison to all those cars.

If you're talking about aesthetics, fine, but all that is subjective. When you're talking about performance numbers and stats, then get real.


Speaking in the sense of the 90's were the coolest cars of the import sport compact/performance cars. I know I might be being nostalgic but none of the current cars have the same "soul" as the old cars.

The only one I slightly like is the EVO 9 or Z34. R35, STI, BRZ etc etc. does nothing for me. Just not the same.

[tlieberman240]

It's called moving with the times. None of those cars would even be able to come out in today's world thanks to the safety standards and emissions regulations.

Not only that, but these manufacturers are in the business to make money. The companies have no interest in catering to such a niche group of people if it's not going to make them money in the end. Hence, why every manufacturer is filled with Ecoboxes, rather than 2 seater, lightweight sports cars.

[turboshoebox]

It doesn't have to be a two seater to be a sport compact. Within the last 10 years we had

MR-S
Miata
RX8
Evo 8-10
Z33-34
R35
WRX and sti variations etc.
Mazda 3 or 6 or whichever the fuck the turbo ones were
BRZ/FRS
Genesis Turbo coupe
Scion 2 door model (forgot which one is was)
Lexus ISF
Civic SI
RSX type s or whatever the hell it was


I'm sure there's a few I missed but I got most of them as far as the ones that would appeal to the import performance crowd. I understand times have changed but it again might just be me thinking about the good ol days in the 90's when I was much younger but i don't feel the current offering excite me like the way they did during that time.

Sure they may be faster and better handling then the 90's cars but i don't get excited for the past 10ish years of the newer offering like the 90's.

Of course the stand out cars for the 90's were the supra, rx7, 300zx, 240sx, 3000 GT, 240sx as far as US offerings. Of course durring that time was the r32-34 and the S15 even tho it wasn't here for the US market.

[tlieberman240]

So then stick with cars from the 90s?

[turboshoebox]

that's the plan. I can't be the only one that feels this way. sure there are some alright cars of the more recent ones but not ones that invoke excitement like the 90's era

[civilized_drifter]

turboshoebox post your turbo 240 volvo, and you forgot to mention the cappucino. Jeremy Clarkson once said its the epitome of 90's performance.

[Corbic]

Until you have to plug it in to pass an annual/biennial inspection in various states/counties.


Then move.

Some States, like California, are continuing to talk about outright removing pre-OBD II cars from registration and even using another "cash for clunckers" deal.

OBD-2 is great because you can actually know when something has gone astray and what it is.

Modern car ECUs are actually proficient at running cars and can be tuned by their OBD port unlike old garbage like the 240 and its compatriots.

[Corbic]

Yes, people employ shady/illegal ways of circumventing the inspection, but it still poses a hassle and presents an annoying hurdle to modding OBDII cars in many places. If you go SR you already know what you are getting into, but some people just want to have a bit of fun with their car without feeling like a criminal for modding it.


Time to go LS Carb Legal swapping then!

A hair over $7k and it comes with everything to run the engine. Just mate it up to whatever transmission and mounts you need. 430hp, warranty, brand new and 50 state legal in any car.

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff467/AFZombie/Mobile%20Uploads/FE54F4EB-6E19-4C84-9758-B95758B5DAB9_zpswptdldhi.png (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/AFZombie/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FE54F4EB-6E19-4C84-9758-B95758B5DAB9_zpswptdldhi.png.html)

Considering a used LS3 pullout with trans is normally $8,500, that's actually not a bad deal.

[Croustibat]

however, i wish all manufacturers would have included ecus that give false readings like vw - that would be nice.


Actually there are a lot of them. That vw crap was a remote controlled coup to remove a performing foreign actor from US territory. The comparison would really have been funny if they chose a bmw mini with the 1.6L turbo diesel engine, as ...they share the same engine management - and i don't believe a second bmw didn't use the "cheat option". Basically, most diesel engines use cheat one way or another to pass emissions.

And frankly, you want that. Unless you'd rather change your cats and EGR valves every 20.000 miles.

[ixfxi]

Why is being odb II such a big deal?

Until you have to plug it in to pass an annual/biennial inspection in various states/counties.

obd1 or 2 it doesnt matter. SR20 Swap is illegal in california.

you guys are missing the point. visual aside, an OBD1 car will actually pass smog. My SR did and with flying colors. an OBD2 car requires being connected, and OBD2 cars self-check to make sure you pass all the monitors. this is an issue if you want to eliminate smog devices that do little for smog and a lot for complicating our lives. for example, a catalytic converter is a very useful device in reducing smog. a charcoal canister and the EGR valve are in my opinion, pretty useless.


Then move.

Some States, like California, are continuing to talk about outright removing pre-OBD II cars from registration and even using another "cash for clunckers" deal.

OBD-2 is great because you can actually know when something has gone astray and what it is.

Modern car ECUs are actually proficient at running cars and can be tuned by their OBD port unlike old garbage like the 240 and its compatriots.

that wont happen. there are plenty of cars that are pre-obd ONE driving around... so good luck with that.

anyway, i like the data and interface part of OBD2 for ME. I dont like it when it comes to passing smog, but hey... it is what it is.

you talk about moving, why dont you move? some parts of california suck, but its not as simple as you make it seem. when you are born and raised somewhere, its not easy to tell your friends and family "hi, i am moving.. nice knowing you, good luck with the rest of your life, i'll be sure to skype and occasionally visit in case I want to be reminded what fucked up traffic is like after leaving LAX and hopping on the 405 freeway at 4PM"

remember, just because your state does not have a smog program, it doesnt mean that it cannot have a smog program.

[Corbic]

you guys are missing the point. visual aside, an OBD1 car will actually pass smog. My SR did and with flying colors..

But it still fails visual, it's a moot point.

an OBD2 car requires being connected, and OBD2 cars self-check to make sure you pass all the monitors. this is an issue if you want to eliminate smog devices that do little for smog and a lot for complicating our lives. for example, a catalytic converter is a very useful device in reducing smog. a charcoal canister and the EGR valve are in my opinion, pretty useless.


Lots of places are wanting to move away from the sniffer all together, a quick OBD-2 plug and go. Can't do that if Pre-OBD-2 cars are still out and about. I'd also imagine that long term such a system could be fooled much easier.

EGR system ties directly into tailpipe emissions are you are forcing the engine to consume your own exhaust. It also heats up intake temps to cause hotter burns which means less unburnt fuel.

Charcoal traps all the vapor emissions from your gas tank. It either vents to air (and pollutes) or your tank is sealed and explodes from pressure in extreme heat.









that wont happen. there are plenty of cars that are pre-obd ONE driving around... so good luck with that.

Whether it happens or not is irrelevant. What matters is people want it to happen. California has a smog problem because of the geography, China and the fact that old cars don't rot away like they do in the Midwest and East.

Insurance companies also want old shit boxes to go away. The least safest car today is safer than the safest car from 15 years ago.

Insurance companies are also pushing hard for those OBD-2 based capture devices to track your habits. Legislators also want to use such devices to track your mileage and use that to tax you instead of relying on gas sales.

Law enforcement would LOVE to mail you a ticket based on your driving habits every-time you get side ways, brake hard or do a pull.






you talk about moving, why dont you move?


Moved 7 times in my life. Lived in California, South East, North East, Midwest and Europe. I have friends and family all over the country and world.

Make new ones.

My point is, don't be crying your eyes out about issues that are self inflected. Great, SoCal had draconian emission laws, abusive cops, illegal aliens, insane taxes and property that only a Chinese investor can afford.

Rather then crying about how you can't swap engines and you hate OBD2.... Move.


Moving to hard? Not worth it? Then stop crying about your self-induced suffering.

[TougeSR20Kid]

So I'm just gonna throw this out there. There's a lot of counties and areas in California that you don't need to smog every 2 years. I had my Rb s13 registered at my sister's house in Humboldt for like 4 years and never had an issue. I mean sure it looks goofy as shit when I get pulled over in the bay area with a car registered In Humboldt and a drivers License that says I live in San Diego. But as long as you're not a douche to the cop they typically won't care.

My recommendation to anyone that has a modified car in Cali would be get a P.O. Box or make friends with someone in these areas and just register your shit there. Definitely beats having to pay someone off every two years. And just don't drive like a jackass so you won't get pulled over. But if you have a swapped car chances are you probably already do that

[ixfxi]

Corbic, you have all the answers... all bow down to corbic and his infinite mighty wisdom

There are pros and cons to everything.

Want to live in SoCal, where the beach and the canyons are 5 minutes apart? Then you gotta deal with traffic, strict smog laws, the Kardashians, and ghey ass Ryan Seacrest.

Want to live in Arkansas where there are no smog laws and a night out on the town is taking your chick out to Olive Garden, Walmart, and then Krispe Kreme? Well then, dont bitch and whine that the selection of females sucks and that you hooked up with your sister (again)..

[Corbic]

Corbic, you have all the answers... all bow down to corbic and his infinite mighty wisdom

Fucking finally, this guy gets it.

There are pros and cons to everything.

Want to live in SoCal, where the beach and the canyons are 5 minutes apart? Then you gotta deal with traffic, strict smog laws, the Kardashians, and ghey ass Ryan Seacrest.

Want to live in Arkansas where there are no smog laws and a night out on the town is taking your chick out to Olive Garden, Walmart, and then Krispe Kreme? Well then, dont bitch and whine that the selection of females sucks and that you hooked up with your sister (again)..


Again, this goes without say....

Except some of your stereotyping. But if someone in Ak. was crying about the lack of coastline, porn stars and universal studios..... I'd tell them to move.

Also the "Hot Girl" line gets old. Problem is when guys that are 5's think they can get girls that are 9's if they move to the big city. (Since there are so many 9's)

Reality is there are also more guys that are 9's and you'll still be stuck chasing 4's.

More People, More Options, More Competition.

[tlieberman240]

Want to live in SoCal, where the beach and the canyons are 5 minutes apart? Then you gotta deal with traffic, strict smog laws, the Kardashians, and ghey ass Ryan Seacrest.

Want to live in Arkansas where there are no smog laws and a night out on the town is taking your chick out to Olive Garden, Walmart, and then Krispe Kreme? Well then, dont bitch and whine that the selection of females sucks and that you hooked up with your sister (again)..

LMAO So much truth in this statement. CA is rad, and it feels so good to be back, but it has its downsides when it comes to cost and population.

The state I just moved back from was garbage though. Some great people, but damn the town was so beat to hell. It was almost depressing. At the end of the day though, they don't have to do shit to register a car. No smog; no inspection; nothing. That's pretty cool.

But I'll take a state where there is far more opportunity over a state where I can just bypass emissions. #priorities

[Matej]

It is not that 90's cars were the height of performance, it is just that automotive technology was at a point that makes the cars easy and fun to mod, thus defining the tuner culture.
It was right when mechanical injection and inefficient single-cam motors disappeared and DOHC motors, electronic injection, and multi-link suspensions were in. Yet it was before cars became driving computers filled with sensors and various sensitive electronics.
You get a decade of semi-modern yet simple chassis and motors controlled by primitive electronics, allowing teenagers in the 2000s to transform their hand-me-down car into a formidable fun machine in their parents' garages through mods not much more complex than building LEGOs.

[ixfxi]

Also the "Hot Girl" line gets old. Problem is when guys that are 5's think they can get girls that are 9's if they move to the big city. (Since there are so many 9's) More People, More Options, More Competition.

What hot girl line?


It is not that 90's cars were the height of performance, it is just that automotive technology was at a point that makes the cars easy and fun to mod, thus defining the tuner culture.

I just think that the reason most of us like our-generation cars is because we've gotten familiar enough with them that they easily make sense. Thats it. We're dinosaurs... and we're only getting older.

The older you get, the more set in your ways you get. Its as simple as that. I mean, look at Corbic for example.... he's 103 and a complete asshole. :-P

[RickBlaine]

What the heck happened to this thread?

I live in Chicago, and there are not too many rust-free examples of a 240sx. It may be a "secretary's car with a truck engine", but it is a fun car that is easy to work on. Every time I drive my 100% stock 240sx, I get stares, thumbs up, and a stoplight conversation.

I used to have another 90's car- a modified Twin Turbo Stealth- very reliable and very fast. On high-speed runs I regularly clocked 160mph- and I was still in 5th gear (out of 6).

But the 1st generation Mazda Miata is hands down the car to modify, drive, and track. It will make you a better driver at autocross. In the hands of a skilled driver- it will beat a newbie in a Corvette, Porsche, BMW, etc.

Because of my background- I am a regular invitee to Corvette, Porsche, Tesla, etc track days at the Autobahn Speedway in Joliet, IL. After driving these cars, let me tell you that the future is electric motors, not gas engines. The Tesla P85D in "insane mode" will easily give you whiplash if your head is not firmly against the headrest when you step on the accelerator (not gas) pedal.....no joke. It is "violent"- like getting rear-ended by a full-speed locomotive. Try that with a gas engine.

OK, enough posting. Gotta get back to my sound dampening and carpet replacement project on my '91 240sx....

[ixfxi]

^ elon musk in the house

[shawn1331]

I personally don't really like the look of many if any newer cars. But it's mostly due to alot of them looking so similar. I really like strange looking weird cars, not just 90's cars. Any era, anything kinda odd is cool to me.

With that said I'm not in here saying a silvia handles better than an R35..

[Corbic]

. But it's mostly due to alot of them looking so similar.


I absolutely hate this statement.

Within any generation/decade cars tend to look similar.

It's called styling trends.

[shawn1331]

I absolutely hate this statement.

Within any generation/decade cars tend to look similar.

It's called styling trends.

True to an extent. the last few years there hasn't been any real oddballs aside from the newer electric/hybrid cars. Maybe a few others but I also don't loo for new cars bc they're out of my budget atm.

Back in the 70's and 80's there were a lot of really weird looking cars that didn't follow the styling guide. Sure alot looked the same, but a lot of cars were experiments and trying new things. Most of which failed, but it's cool to see them once in awhile.

Alot of theNew cars tend to have low rooflines and small side windows with swooping roofs like the Sonata. A few infinitis and acuras look like the same car etc.

You don't see especially weird cars being designed like you did in the 80's. Examples like gremlins, crx's, mr2's etc.

[Corbic]

You don't see especially weird cars being designed like you did in the 80's. Examples like gremlins, crx's, mr2's etc.


Yeah, sure, no.

http://buyersguide.caranddriver.com/media/assets/submodel/6238.jpg

How is a Soul, Volester, Juke, Mini, CRZ, or Boxster any less weird then those cars?






Alot of theNew cars tend to have low rooflines and small side windows with swooping roofs like the Sonata.

Safety Bro.

Just like how 60's cars all had 7" sealed beams, 70's cars had chrome bumpers and 80's cars had massive rubber cushions.

High Belt Lines are designed to provide side impact protection. 4-door coupe styling is to make the cars appear sporty and improve aero dynamics.

Maybe a few others but I also don't loo for new cars bc they're out of my budget atm.



This is the real answer to your problem.

I'd say we have more "niche" odd ball cars today than ever before.

Everything from the X6 to the Verenza to the Renegade and GTR.

[shawn1331]

I don't really think a juke is all that weird looking though. Aside from the kinda slightly odd headlights they're pretty similar to a sante fe, a tucson or cayenne kinda looks like a 4 door juke.

Kia soul looks like a cube, or an element.

Volester yes is a weird looking car i agree, which is neat. Dont like them but still like to see car manufacturers trying shit.

Minis have looked basically the same the entire run of there life. minor changes every generation but same basic idea.

CRZ sorta yeah, looks like a prius from the rear which is odd.

And boxsters I wouldnt say are exactly a unique car. Sure they are different then your average car but since introduced in the mid 90's look basically the same and similar to some euro roadsters like lotus'.

So to me the cars you named with the exception of 2 or 3 look similar to a few different models throughout other brands and have looked the same in some cases for 20 years.

Again, personal opinion which for whatever reason you seem to have a hard time grasping others.

Btw, what is a verenza? never heard of it and a quick search shows nothing. There is a Venza, which isn't unique looking either.

[Corbic]

I don't really think a juke is all that weird looking though. Aside from the kinda slightly odd headlights they're pretty similar to a sante fe, a tucson or cayenne kinda looks like a 4 door juke.

Juke has 4 doors, and a Caynne looks nothing like it. Juke is also a quarter the size of a Tuscan.

How good is your vision?


Kia soul looks like a cube, or an element.

Not really but Ok. Cube is asymmetric with dash carpet, Element is plastic clad with suicide doors. That actually makes each pretty unique, or at least as unique a CRX or Gremlin was in its time.

Minis have looked basically the same the entire run of there life. minor changes every generation but same basic idea.

So what? CRX barely changed over its 8 year span. The Mini is still a unique design that sets it apparent. That was your gripe, "new cars look the same, we don't have quirky unique designs today"


And boxsters I wouldnt say are exactly a unique car. Sure they are different then your average car but since introduced in the mid 90's look basically the same and similar to some euro roadsters like lotus'.

Name me another mid-engine flat-6 sports car? You stated the MR2 as unique. It's not, it looks just like a Fiero*

Lotus looks nothing like a Boxster and it's not even a "real car", it's closer to a bare bones kit car with Juke styling. CRX looks like a Starlet or 323.

As I said, we have more niche and unique cars today than we did for decades.


So to me the cars you named with the exception of 2 or 3 look similar to a few different models throughout other brands and have looked the same in some cases for 20 years. .


So you should totally be happy? That means the 90's never left us! It's 1995 still since nothing has changed.


Again, personal opinion which for whatever reason you seem to have a hard time grasping others.


I have no problem with opinions. I have problems with bullshit. When you say the 80's rocked because we got the "unique cars" like the CRX and MR2 but then say a CRZ and a Boxster are run of the mill.

It's a consistency issue. As I said. I hate people saying "oh, cars today all look the same.... " that's a bullshit statement.

[shawn1331]

I have no problem with opinions. I have problems with bullshit. When you say the 80's rocked because we got the "unique cars" like the CRX and MR2 but then say a CRZ and a Boxster are run of the mill.

It's a consistency issue. As I said. I hate people saying "oh, cars today all look the same.... " that's a bullshit statement.

Lmfao alright pal.

My problem is when people who can't take others thoughts shove words down others throats that were not said. But hey, to each their own.

[irax]

Fuck me for not seeing this was an old thread... :picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp: :picardfp::picardfp:

[brndck]

Lmfao alright pal.

My problem is when people who can't take others thoughts shove words down others throats that were not said. But hey, to each their own.

This thread is officially the worst thread on zilvia..... I can't believe I fell for the click bait title.

fucking graveyard threads. shit was stupid two years ago, its not any fresher now. :picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp:

[irax]

fucking graveyard threads. shit was stupid two years ago, its not any fresher now. :picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp::picardfp:

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FUUUUUCk... why was it at the top of the page on the front page then HAHA fuck me man.. my bad

[BossHogg]

It wasn't just cars guys. Everything was better in the 90's. Music, nintendo, style, shoes, wheels, JGTC, MTV (early 90's), cartoons, cereal, toys etc. The only thing that sucked in the 90's...ironically....was our import crowd haha. FWD hondas and eclipse/talon lololololol waste. It wasn't until the 2000's that the rwd import crowd kind of came around on a mainstream level. Which as fanboy as the movement was, I believe, was a good thing. Which is one reason why I'm kind of glad about this 25 year law.......because we kind of get to relive the 90's, as adults. Instead of dreaming/reading/playing a video game. You can just buy the pile of shit now. Evo, impreza, skyline, silvia, 180sx, soarer, gloria, cedric, and whatever other odd little jdm car you could want. It's old, but new. It's almost like plugging in your old nintendo and going back and beating a game you never could as a kid. It's fun. But honestly, I wouldn't expect kids that were born in the 90's to even understand. You had to be a teen on up. But I love the 90's. I always say the 90's was our version of the 70's.

[OutlawLui]

Like reviving a dead cockroach

[brndck]

.......because we kind of get to relive the 90's, as adults. Instead of dreaming/reading/playing a video game. It's old, but new. It's almost like plugging in your old nintendo and going back and beating a game you never could as a kid. It's fun. But honestly, I wouldn't expect kids that were born in the 90's to even understand. You had to be a teen on up. But I love the 90's. I always say the 90's was our version of the 70's.

i'll just be over here.....

http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/14/12187296/nintendo-nes-classic-edition-announced-price-games

[kashira kureijii]

This whole thread was just shoeboxes attempt at getting zilvia cred, little did he know, the way to get cred isnt praising 240"s , it is criticizing them. Just learn from the OG"s and talk about how much you hate 240"s and luv bimmers or mustangs, and youll get all the zilvia cred.


Also does that NES thing come with Earthbound? I never got to play earthbound, and it is quite famous


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[Corbic]

I always say the 90's was our version of the 70's.



Except the 70's sucked compared to the 50's and 60's.

[Green Arrow]

The 50s were the pinnacle of sports car technology

[Corbic]

The 50s were the pinnacle of sports car technology

The 50's saw the rise of the modern sports car. It would have been an exciting time to see the just dramatic improvements year after year in cars.

We are in a similar time now. Hybrids, Electrics, Turbo-Everything and Muscle Cars making +700hp. 90's suck by comparison.

160hp B16 Swapped Civic is like :facepalm: today. Fighting V8's? Can't even fight minivans.

[OBEEWON]

90's women were better too.

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=21236574https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEsbYRZsfyg6O2PXoLrVgAUoY3Npo-XxlFen2E4mdLoq9c9Rw5http://data.whicdn.com/images/179455824/large.jpghttp://www.allure.com/beauty-trends/blogs/daily-beauty-reporter/topanga-2.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3VBswtuBTETVQs-CHFhB_VClQvvKCva4EK8nov0RAc5yjKMpXPg

[hanzbrady]

90's women were better too.

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=21236574https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQEsbYRZsfyg6O2PXoLrVgAUoY3Npo-XxlFen2E4mdLoq9c9Rw5http://data.whicdn.com/images/179455824/large.jpghttp://www.allure.com/beauty-trends/blogs/daily-beauty-reporter/topanga-2.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3VBswtuBTETVQs-CHFhB_VClQvvKCva4EK8nov0RAc5yjKMpXPg

Kelly Kapowski was literally anything and everything I could ever want tbh

[Green Arrow]

I wish you had been in the fifties, all your knowledge could have propelled us into the 2000's instantly. But you'd be sore to find out it was mostly European cars that progressed in that era. No mustang to babble about and no corvette to attempt to compare it to. Also you'd have hard luck finding a stage for your spouts, much less anyone to hear them....long live corbic

[GoodShow]

its really easy.

Government and economy happened.

The Japanese economy was slipping and so were global sales, partially due to americans desire to buy the new craze which was SUV, the bigger the better mentality. So poor sales and lower demand, saw many of these cars go bye bye.

If you want to know more look up Nissans history, they almost lost it all at the turn of the century.

Then you have big government regulations that push saftey standards( higher belt lines on cars ( making them bigger and uglier, not to mention fuel economy expectations and goals set by our government which has a huge affect on the design and manufacturing of cars in other countries since our market is the biggest. So the 4 cylinder cars make less power and better fuel economy to offset the average fuel economy required by the american government for all auto manufacturers. So without those dinky boring 4 cylinders they make and all these hybrids, they could not make 700 Hellcats and 600 Hp GTR and all these cool things everyone wants to buy.

Just my opinion based on facts. Sorry I did not site them.

[TheRealSy90]

The sad part when it comes to fuel economy is we had cars in the early 90's that got better fuel economy than the better stuff you can buy now. Hell I think there were cars in the 70's or 80's that had the potential to get 30mpg or more. But supposedly the oil companies didn't like that.

[GoodShow]

The sad part when it comes to fuel economy is we had cars in the early 90's that got better fuel economy than the better stuff you can buy now. Hell I think there were cars in the 70's or 80's that had the potential to get 30mpg or more. But supposedly the oil companies didn't like that.

Are you kidding, they had almost 40 mpg vehicles in the 70s.

[Corbic]

The sad part when it comes to fuel economy is we had cars in the early 90's that got better fuel economy than the better stuff you can buy now. Hell I think there were cars in the 70's or 80's that had the potential to get 30mpg or more. But supposedly the oil companies didn't like that.



Are you retarded?

My father's Fusion Energy gets 54mpg, has more pick up then a 90's V8 Camaro and more luxury then a loaded S-Class and a safety factory greater than a Sheridan tank.

[TheRealSy90]

I was talking more towards miles per gallon. Cars in the 70's could get 40's we are still there with all our technology somehow.


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[Corbic]

I was talking more towards miles per gallon. Cars in the 70's could get 40's we are still there with all our technology somehow.


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Correction.

Absolute gutless shit cans with no A/C, no safety equipment, no convince features and the styling of a garbage can could almost get 30 mpg while failing to even meet the most lax modern emissions.

[TheRealSy90]

Even if modern ones aren't gutless, you aren't getting good mpg flooring it idc what you drive... And we got by without all that stuff back then. Guess I don't see the need for it all aside from "innovation" and america's need to have a new model every damn year.


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[Matej]

Are you retarded?
Triggered.