V-mounted intercooler

[suhster85]

What would be the benefit, if any, of having the intercooler mounted like the Signal auto Sil-80's?
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[kaje36]

very short pipeing, and useing arodynamics to pull air threw the intercooler

[suhster85]

would the cooling of the intercooler still be the same? and also im guessing that this would cost alot more, and would you need more custom parts aside from the intercooler piping, such as radiators and what not? Is the reason that more people are not doing this simply a cost issue or are there any other issues to deal with in doing this sort of intercooler setup?

[240Stilo]

Takes more effort to do it that way. When it comes down to..."it costs more to do it this way"...people on zilvia do their best to avoid that route and thats the bottom line.

[Drift Style S14]

has anyone come out with a kit to alow for this or maybe instructions on how to do it?

[Dousan_PG]

its easy to do if you have the fab time and skills
the key to a v setup is DUCTING!!!

[Drift Style S14]

it looks like they did a little cutting into the support also. kinda nervous about doing that. I would love to do that and make some carbon fiber sheets about 5 or 6 layers thick and make the ducting out of that. Wonder if my teacher would let me use that much carbon fiber...

[The ROMAN]

Some other benefits might be that it's low key, you don't see a shiny front mount and theres less chance of it getting damaged.

[suhster85]

that is the main reason why i asked this question.

[eyustfu]

theres no kit out for it, all custom work. i think the benefits are better throttle response due to the shorter intercooler piping as well as a distribution in the air flow that is needed to flow to the radiator/intercooler.

[legin2]

come on peopleyou all know why they do this... its pretty simple and obvious... :hammer: what do these cars do all the time? drift! what hapenes when they make a mistake? the crash! what hapens when they hit their front bumper with the intercooler snugly fitted behind all that frp? it gets damaged then they cant compete for the rest of the race! :hammer: what hapenes when the intercooler is top mount? it doesn't get damaged. :hammer:

[Drift Style S14]

come on peopleyou all know why they do this... its pretty simple and obvious... :hammer: what do these cars do all the time? drift! what hapenes when they make a mistake? the crash! what hapens when they hit their front bumper with the intercooler snugly fitted behind all that frp? it gets damaged then they cant compete for the rest of the race! :hammer: what hapenes when the intercooler is top mount? it doesn't get damaged. :hammer:

are you serious? I could understand that if that thing was sitting right over the block but look at the picture. with where that thing is sitting, which is throught the support on the second picture and flush on the support on the first picture, when they hit a wall or what ever its going to seriously move shit around and mess shit up. :-/ well now that i look at it, it might have to be a nice hit, but still i highly doubt that its due to protecting the intercooler and such. Whos to say that they aren't doing it to mimic the jgtc 300 and jgtc 500 cars, don't most of them run a similar setup?

[legin2]

actually it is to protect the intercooler. I have read that in a few writeups about that particular car. I dont know if you have ever owned a car with a frontmount, but even flies will bend the shit out of the fins, and a little bump can crush them rather easily. so yes, it is to protect the intercooler... I dont remember what type of intercooler it is but I know it aint cheap, and to toss out a fmic because you bumped someone is not fun.

[Buffalo Daughter]

You guys are all wrong. It does serve a purpose.from what i know about the v-mount is that the turbo spools up quicker and less boost lag. I guess the shorter the distance the air has to travel to and from the intake or just turbo and through the intercooler to the throttle body helps the turbo spool quicker. I think the whole just in case it crashes theory is prolly like a like an added bonus. Alot of the japanese drifters nowadays do it if they can afford the fabrication. If you pick up the new Drift Tengoku there is an insert about these shop car's that all have the v-mount set-up.I think some of them are from Garage D-friends. I've also seen a stagea wagon do it and a couple of vg30dett powered s13's use them. They have function.

[Steeles]

there are several benefits to this setup. one of which is air to the radiator. with the cars going sideways its hard to get air in evena large front opening. having a front mount blocks some airflow to the radiator. less air car runs hotter. v mount setup both the radiator and the IC are getting ass much airflow over them as possible. but as Dousan said the KEY is ducting in this setup. more irflow over both surfaces = decreased temps = happy engine. yes there is a little more protection.. find pics of when the signal car wrecked in Jersey.. I think I have a link somewhere I'll find later

[kaje36]

its not realy a drifting setup, its a le-mans setup. cooling of the intercooler is greater becouse of the duckting and the heatsoaking of the radiator. you also have the arodynamics causing more downforce. also every bend every inch of pipeing causes turbo lag. think of all the bends a stock exhaust has, its insane,.. and its the same for most intercooler setups.. bends EVERYWERE.

also there is a kit for this.. a some of the options mags have showed it. there are some peaple that scaned it in over on FA, last I knew the pics were still up.

[Steeles]

its a race car setup. JGTC uses it as well. lets not get into semantics.

ad how does it create more downforce?

[KiDyNomiTe]

That setup is maximum efficiency. One big problem with FMIC is air to radiators, but the radiator gets air, and so does the FMIC, and the piping is shorter. Also with the hood scoop they have it draws air through the intercooler for more flow.

[sideviewcivic]

only intercooler that i know that has been developed to help the restrictive airflow an intercooler creates for a radiator is apex'i intercoolers. less efficient design they have but more airflow to radiator. altho v-mount can be made very effective if you create a ducting system like on the c-west JGTC S15 look in one of the hyper rev books. it shows the design of it.

[Steeles]

sideview - theres other fin designed ICs out there ;) (bar and plate vs fin (i forget exact name :p))

[Buffalo Daughter]

some of the guys in the new issue of drift heaven show you have to make ducts out of cardboard for the v-mount setup.Pretty cool if you have the setup.

[Steeles]

ugggh please say you didnt mean to type cardbooard but had a box in your lap.... use aluminum. cardboard?!/! WTF?!?!?

[Buffalo Daughter]

ugggh please say you didnt mean to type cardbooard but had a box in your lap.... use aluminum. cardboard?!/! WTF?!?!?
no yeah serious doods was using cardboard. Shit was mad ghetto spl special. They measured it out cut and then taped. It looked ghetto rigged for sure.

[Buffalo Daughter]

ooops double post.

[sideviewcivic]

tube and fin is the most widely used design of intercoolers. less of available surface area is actually put to use. (around 60-70% is actually used). Bar and plate is the most efficient design (using anywhere from 80% and up) and therefore costs more to be made HKS type S i think is an example of bar and plate.

[Steeles]

BD - wow thats crazy.... you'd have to redo that ducting like every other morning if you parked outside and definately everytime it rained!!

Sideview - see you DID know :D

[suhster85]

is there a specific reason on the Vmount set up they do not use BOVs?

[Steeles]

they can afford to rebuild a turbo. what people dont realive is that a BOV is NOT NECCESARY. they were developed to prtect early turbos from the air coming back and hitting the blades. modern turbos have advanced enough that they deal with with this alot better. yes it'll still eventually shorten the life of the turbo but its not nearly as bad as when systems were first developed. its one of those things that they've become so mainstay most people think of them as a mandatory.

note I did not say they werent useful and they do serve a purpose but arent mandatory