wheel fitment issue or normal?

[thegr8one013]

i have a s13 hatchback on stock suspension with FN01R-C 17x9 offset +15 with a 20mm spacer and my tire size is 275/40/17. I installed it on my front wheel and tried to turn it to see if it clears but it its hitting the lip in the aft side of the wheel well when i turn the wheel outward.

So i hammered the lip flat but its still really close. I havnt installed my coilovers and lowered it to the height i will be driving it but looking at it, it seems that the clearance is only going to get tighter.

Do i have chassis issues?

Or is this normal and i just need to hammer more?

Wheel Straight
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/thegr8one013/240sx%20build/20150511_172609.jpg
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http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/thegr8one013/240sx%20build/20150511_172527.jpg

Wheel turned Outward
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/thegr8one013/240sx%20build/20150511_172421.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/thegr8one013/240sx%20build/20150511_172255.jpg
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http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/thegr8one013/240sx%20build/20150511_172116.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j204/thegr8one013/240sx%20build/20150511_172034.jpg

[e1_griego]

No, s13s can't really fit that tall of a tire in front, esp with 17x9 -5.

Not surprised to see clearance issues.

[TheRealSy90]

I'm running a 17x10 +0 with a 215/45 up front and don't hit anything after hammering the pinch welds flat. Ride height is set with the fender just barely tucking tire.

[e1_griego]

215/45 vs a 275/40.

[ultimateirving]

It's because of your tall ass drag slicks.. Get some 205-225 tires and you'll be fine.

[FaLKoN240]

If you're running a tire that wide usually you start cutting down the side wall after 255.

Try a 35 or 30.

That particular brand might have a taller sidewall as well.

[e1_griego]

Hoosier makes a 275/35/17 but no one else does.

Def. no 275/30/17.

[thegr8one013]

thanks for the info guys, since this is the tire i have im going to try to make it work. ill try different size spacer and get to hammering

[RalliartRsX]

215/45 vs a 275/40.

They are Hoosiers, so more like 290mm wide.

And for the gentleman who looks at Hoosiers and recommends running 215 width tires............. :picardfp: :picardfp: :picardfp: :picardfp: :picardfp:

And worst off, 215 on a 10 inch wide wheel...............Jesus! I would immediately call the authorities on you if you showed up to my shop asking me to mount a 215 on a 10" wide wheel for attempting to cause serious bodily injury and stress.................

[RalliartRsX]

As el said, some fairly significant fender massaging is required to fit those on a S13. you may want to ask Dentsport (where you got these from) how they went about thier front end setup and what issues they ran into. I am sure they are more than willing to help :)

[Croustibat]

stock wheel+tyre diameter is achieved using 235/40/17 (235x.4 = 94mm sidewall height). 275/40/17 are 110mm sidewall height, so it will have some rubbing issues because of that ... but the main reason it will rub is the width.

So maybe a stupid question but i have to ask. Why a 275 slick tire front, on a RWD car like an s13 ? The standard PAS pump gets overworked moving 235s UHP tyres already ... what are you trying to build ? A 2000HP AWD s13 ?

[FaLKoN240]

They are Hoosiers, so more like 290mm wide.

And for the gentleman who looks at Hoosiers and recommends running 215 width tires............. :picardfp: :picardfp: :picardfp: :picardfp: :picardfp:

And worst off, 215 on a 10 inch wide wheel...............Jesus! I would immediately call the authorities on you if you showed up to my shop asking me to mount a 215 on a 10" wide wheel for attempting to cause serious bodily injury and stress.................

I run a 215/40/18 on a 10 and I haven't died.

Also that wheel is a 9" not a 10".

[RalliartRsX]

I run a 215/40/18 on a 10 and I haven't died.

Also that wheel is a 9" not a 10".


1) ..........That doesn't mean it's NOT a terrible idea. Also, I was referring to the gentleman who said he ran 215 on a 10" wheel (and well, I guess you as well!). The maximum recommended wheel width is about 7.5" for a 215 tire. You are 2.5" WIDER than what is recommended! That is +33% ABOVE what is recommended and deemed safe! Do people do it, sure! Is it a good idea, not in the slightest.

Do people have sex with Cows and not get arrested for animal cruelty or deemed an phsychopath by society?? Sure. Is it a safe and good idea, not the in the slightest.........

But to each his own I guess :facepalm:

2) Regardless of wheel width, they are 275 HOOSIERS They are not true 275 and more like 290mm once measured out. 275 Hoosiers on a 9" wheel work, but not quiet ideal. In addition, the tire is extremely tall, so he is bound to run into major issues for fitment.

OP, start with the wheels with no spacers and go from there. In addition, do a full suspension travel and steering radius measurment as those will also come into play, while using no spacer. You need to form a baseline before anything else.

[e1_griego]

lol @ telling someone wanting to run a 275 hoosier to run a 215.

Sigh.

[TheRealSy90]

So now this is an anti tire stretch thread lol... I've been running 215's on a 10" and 225's on an 11" for over two years, went off track and dirt dropped tons of times, have never popped a bead or any stupid shit that you think happens...

[RalliartRsX]

So now this is an anti tire stretch thread lol... I've been running 215's on a 10" and 225's on an 11" for over two years, went off track and dirt dropped tons of times, have never popped a bead or any stupid shit that you think happens...

:picardfp:

The vehicle is clearly not a drag (for the gentleman who questioned why he is fitting drag slicks (lol) on the FRONT of a RWD car :picardfp: ) or drift car and has nothing to do with anti stretch and ALL to do with a functional, safe setup.

.............I don't even know why I bother.....

[thegr8one013]

As el said, some fairly significant fender massaging is required to fit those on a S13. you may want to ask Dentsport (where you got these from) how they went about thier front end setup and what issues they ran into. I am sure they are more than willing to help :)

yea i just found his number and hit him up. he told me he was using 15mm spacers. i got to 8mm to see what happens and it clears with some wiggle room after hammering the the lip down

[thegr8one013]

stock wheel+tyre diameter is achieved using 235/40/17 (235x.4 = 94mm sidewall height). 275/40/17 are 110mm sidewall height, so it will have some rubbing issues because of that ... but the main reason it will rub is the width.

So maybe a stupid question but i have to ask. Why a 275 slick tire front, on a RWD car like an s13 ? The standard PAS pump gets overworked moving 235s UHP tyres already ... what are you trying to build ? A 2000HP AWD s13 ?


Whats standard PAS pump?

My car has a ls1 in it and im trying to do road racing. i bought these wheels with the slicks on it because i got an amazing deal on them

[RalliartRsX]

PAS = Power Assisted Steering (aka Powersteering Pump)

[thegr8one013]

edit. was just posted above me

[thegr8one013]

i bought these wheels from a 240 road racer who still uses the same size slicks on his new wheels.

I do appreciate all the helpful info but The stupid comment of are you trying to build a 2000hp awd car is a reason why i dont like to post here. a forum is meant to get the community of similar enthusiasts together to HELP them!

[Croustibat]

As i wrote already, that was a genuine question. When i don't understand something, i ask for an explanation. Seems legit. Does that sound strange to you ?

I still cannot see the point in a road racing LS powered S13 running high profile 275 hoosiers front, so i am asking why you'd do would do that. Because except on a high power, AWD drag race car, i can't see a reason.

I hope the reason is not just "because i bought them for cheap" ...

Also i think you are misinterpreting enthusiasm for help. Enthusiasm does not help, it just makes you spend money. Help usually comes from people that are actually not afraid of asking questions that you may have overlooked.

You will find tons of enthusiasts here ready to tell you how cool their piece of crap looks with its frame rails scaping the ground, and how they handle so well with -45° of camber. But they sure won't help make you car handle better.

[RalliartRsX]

Croustibat, I think one of the reasons why he wants to run the 275 is, not only did he get a dreat deal, but one of the Fastest Time Attack 240sx in North America ran it and had great success. Actually, that same car runs this same tire setup on a different wheel and has been campaigned very successfully.

Hard to argue with sesults ya know :).

But I do see your point however.

[thegr8one013]

I bought the set for the wheels since they were a good price. I figure I use the slicks since it came with them since a sr20 s13 owner road raced with them. I was not aware how built it his car was untill later but I'll wear them out since I have them already.

How is that a genuine question? How many people do you see with 2000hp 240sx? How many people do you see with awd 240sx. So how is that a genuine question when that type of 240 isn't even common to begin with?

[rawgarage]

Huge ass tires...

[e1_griego]

http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/DSCF6279.jpg

http://www.speedhunters.com/2008/10/car_feature_gt_gt_dentsport_240rs_maxi_e2/

[Croustibat]

I bought the set for the wheels since they were a good price. I figure I use the slicks since it came with them since a sr20 s13 owner road raced with them. I was not aware how built it his car was untill later but I'll wear them out since I have them already.

How is that a genuine question? How many people do you see with 2000hp 240sx? How many people do you see with awd 240sx. So how is that a genuine question when that type of 240 isn't even common to begin with?

Exactly, i have never seen one. And until i read that article linked above, i have never seen an s13 ( we have them named 200sx here) with these tyres either. 240s might not be common where you live, but i see them every week here, and they all have a turbo when stock. So I am quite familiar with boosted japanese engines. Even on a 800HP R32 skyline i have not seen that kind of tyres. We got a 900HP supra at the shop, it runs 315s on the rear and is wide front too... but it is a 900HP supra. Not a 400HP s13. I have not seen the use for larger than 255s front on an s13 tbh. And it already is a pain to fit these, so yes, i wonder why would someone fit that much larger tyres.

As you can see, the linked car is a fully developped race car. It has everything to the extreme; lightness, power, aero, transmission, suspension, tube chassis, tubed arches ...

If you are not going for something similar, i still can't see the point. that kind of tyre is going to require dry sumping your engine at the very least. Are you going for this ?

[e1_griego]

Oh I totally understand wanting to run a 275, just hard to pull off. I've stopped at 255s (and I run 245 r-comps) because I'm not ready to fall down that rabbit hole of cutting.

With enough effort you can fit 315s on the front a 240, just takes a lot of fender work and careful attention to offset.

[RalliartRsX]

Oh I totally understand wanting to run a 275, ..............

This right here. A 275 Hoosier tire is not out the realm of normalcy

[thegr8one013]

Exactly, i have never seen one. And until i read that article linked above, i have never seen an s13 ( we have them named 200sx here) with these tyres either. 240s might not be common where you live, but i see them every week here, and they all have a turbo when stock. So I am quite familiar with boosted japanese engines. Even on a 800HP R32 skyline i have not seen that kind of tyres. We got a 900HP supra at the shop, it runs 315s on the rear and is wide front too... but it is a 900HP supra. Not a 400HP s13. I have not seen the use for larger than 255s front on an s13 tbh. And it already is a pain to fit these, so yes, i wonder why would someone fit that much larger tyres.

As you can see, the linked car is a fully developped race car. It has everything to the extreme; lightness, power, aero, transmission, suspension, tube chassis, tubed arches ...

If you are not going for something similar, i still can't see the point. that kind of tyre is going to require dry sumping your engine at the very least. Are you going for this ?

I didnt say 240sx were rare where i live i said 2000hp 240sx is not common and neither is a awd 240sx. so ill ask again, how does asking me if my car a 2000hp awd 240sx a genuine question??

Also if you read what i wrote before i was not aware until AFTER i bought the tires that his car was so built (modified). so im not going to just throw away the tires or even attempt to try to sell them. ill just use what i have for now which i was i made this thread, to receive advice on what to do

[Croustibat]

the 2000HP AWD was an hyperbole really.

Anyway, advice then : keep them for the rear, but do not use them on the front. This will make the car more understeery than stock, you might be able to balance it with a beefier rear sway bar. The V8 low down torque will love the stickies.
How is your V8installed ? firewall work to put it the most possible rearwards, or does it hang in the front ? Alumium or iron ?

[e1_griego]

It's not like he's running 275/245 stagger. 275 all around should be fine. In my mind it's all about balance.