so i finally decided to do "the swap".....

[AceInHole]

:o :o :o :o :o So yeah, I've had it with my KA. Running on 3 cylinders and inhaling smoke from the catch can and burning crazy oil isn't fun (although it did get a bit of attention at DGTrials... and still dyno'ed at 224rwhp 242rwtq [yes, on 3 cylinders]). So.... :w00t:








time for a new one :P
ultimate weight reduction:
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/carsIM/swap/IMG_8367.JPG

twins!
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/carsIM/swap/IMG_8368.JPG

after a few hours of cleaning.....
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/carsIM/swap/IMG_8369.JPG

half counterweighted like the last generation SR!!:
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/carsIM/swap/IMG_8370.JPG

clutch fun:
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/carsIM/swap/IMG_8371.JPG


:naughty: :naughty:

[mrmephistopheles]

yet another KA? or was this that car's original motor?

[AceInHole]

another KA. the original motor had 124k miles when pulled. it'll get some work done over winter though. big plans for next season. Gotta spin those 335's somehow :D

[mrmephistopheles]

damn.. that's really poor condition for having 124k miles.. any hints as to your plans?

[nismo_sr20_wut]

I thought you finally decided to get rid of the KA trash can and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. Stop trying so hard. All you have are problems with your and everyone KA turbo setsup. Don't people ever learn.

[ThatGuy]

Let's not turn this into yet another KA vs. SR discussion. Can't we just be happy for Ace? I really don't want to see JayDeeEm TyTe, or "Truck Motor" pop up on this thread.

Ace congrats, let us know how this one works on all 4 cylinders. :D

[OptionZero]

yeah, SR people have NO problems. shit man...KA turbo people are idiots


Do you have a single "nismo" part even?

[nismo_sr20_wut]

Then again it's not like you haven't seen a million posts by ace of KA broken problem and fixes and ghetto badaids of all his KA setups. Not just hiim but most KA-T setsup in general.

[nismo_sr20_wut]

Of cocurse SR's have problem too but that's usually user error.

Take a look on zilvia or freshalloy. Whe you see a motor problem post...low and behold..omg KA-T problem NEVER heard of that!?

[mrmephistopheles]

I thought you finally decided to get rid of the KA trash can and stop trying to reinvent the wheel.
Dude.
shut UP.
PJ has had one of the most reliable turbo setups I've seen. Besides, knocking KA turbo for the fact that it's KA is ignorant. I like both the KA and SR. I prefer the SR, in fact. I don't think that one is any better than the other. I know they both have their pros and cons, just like with ANYTHING. I'm certainly not so ignorant to think that what I like is the best and that everyone else should like it.

[nismo_sr20_wut]

PJ has had one of the most reliable turbo setups I've seen.

If that was so...why am I even posting in a this thread. It shouldn't even exsist if that was the case.

[ThatGuy]

why am I even posting in a this thread.

That's exactly what the rest of us are thinking. :fawk:

[mrmephistopheles]

you're posting in this thread because you're being a tool.

PJs motor ate shit because it was in bad condition to start with. His clutch ate shit because he does lots of auto-x and is very hard on it. His 'ghetto' fabrication consists of hacking his MAF to overcome fuel delivery problems, and the use of Home Depot SPL piping and a volvo intercooler.
You can call his stuff problematic, but when you consider there are people blowing up KA-Ts left and right because they're trying to boost too much on stock fuel, etc his is actually quite good.
The reason you don't hear as much about stockish SRs blowing up is the fact that they came turbo from the factory. Teams of engineers spent many man-hours designing the SR's turbo system. PJ had himself and his own research.
You're ignorant.

[nismo_sr20_wut]

I think he is simply trying too hard to reinvent the wheel despite his previous blown motors and setups. Along with the MANY more problemetic KA-T setups you see all over the forms post after post. I can count on one hand the amount of good KA-T setups that haven't had anyproblem but then again most of them are not too extreme. While the same power and RELIABLE setups are much more straight foward with SR route. Sure it's been done a million times but its simple and it works well with little to no head ache. I simply don't know why he try so hard with the KA setup despeite all his previous problem and current ones PLUS all the countless amount of kA-T setups that are having whatever type of problem that there is. I don't want to hear excuses about why the setup did not work. I want to see good results. But time after time after time after time problem after problem after problem with his car AND many other KA-T setups.

[AceInHole]

If that was so...why am I even posting in a this thread. It shouldn't even exsist if that was the case.
lol. this thread exists because i'm apparently one of the few guys who TRIES to blow motors up. I drove 300 miles round trip to go drifting (with a co-driver) on 3 cylinders. Then came back and dyno'ed it for shits and giggles (hmm, more power than an SR.... only 3 cylinders... something wrong??)

Then again it's not like you haven't seen a million posts by ace of KA broken problem and fixes and ghetto badaids of all his KA setups. Not just hiim but most KA-T setsup in general.

umm... the only turbo problems i've had with the KA-T are a spun bearing and a cracked manifold. then there was the SPEC blowup, and then that tree.... hmm.... i've also slipped a drill into the head once and broke into a water jacket, and then there was that cracked IC on the curb when I let my friend drive my old S14...... oh yeah, i also blew up a tranny.

but then again, my KA survived 124 miles of life, 10k on the turbo. This year alone it's logged 40 dyno runs, 28 autocross events, and a drift event, all at or over 250rwhp, and seeing life at over 7000 rpm (limited at 7300). For a ghetto bandaid motor, I think it's done pretty well. Just imagine what a well tuned KA would do..... wow. makes me wonder....


I'd get an SR if I could get new motors for less than the cost of a rebuild.... but I expect my motors to die. I try to drive them so that they will.

PJs motor ate shit because it was in bad condition to start with.
lol. coming from an $800 car... it's not a bad deal eh??


As far as SR problems... I only ever hear about them locally. For some reason those guys never post on the forums. When a local notorious KA- basher blew up his SR it was his friend that posted it on the local boards. Hmm... he blew his motor up and a month later he's still car-less. I'm down for a day.

Adding up every problem i've had, 2 turbo setups, and 3 KA engines (one of which was sold at ~50k miles with 175 comp across), I've still spent less than a basic bolt-on SR swap.

[nismo_sr20_wut]

I even at one point really thought about a KA-t setup. But after doing much reseach talking to alot of people and doing online reseach and bad results and nightmares countless people have I thought steering clear of itt.

[AceInHole]

I think he is simply trying too hard to reinvent the wheel despite his previous blown motors and setups.

Well, I definitely am trying to reinvent the wheel. The new shape should be released in 2005.

I'm also wondering where you got the idea that I've blown up more than 1 motor......

[nismo_sr20_wut]

Okay maybe not a blown motor but I have seen countless posts about your motor problem what it might be.

[ThatGuy]

So what are you, the Ace KA stalker? I mean seriously, why does his motor mean so much to you?

[AceInHole]

Okay maybe not a blown motor but I have seen countless posts about your motor problem what it might be.

refresh my memory... just name one motor problem of mine related to the turbo, besides 1 cracked ring in my last motor, running more power and 5x the mileage of my friend's catastrophically blown SR motor.

[nismo_sr20_wut]

It's hard not to notice whe every other post is a KA problem or ghetto fix.

[AceInHole]

So what are you, the Ace KA stalker? I mean seriously, why does his motor mean so much to you?

lol... maybe it was my feeble attempt at introducing parts sharing for SR's and KA's. I guess the two worlds were never meant to be one.... :ghey:

[zero.counter]

Just because his motor was not a fad thing and he decided to put it together himself with a relatively beautiful setup, you have to call him or any KA Turbo person an idiot? What, just because it does not come as a complete package ready to go, it changes everything? Funny thing is, it takes research to put a relaible KA Turbo together. He has plenty of engines at his disposal since they are prevalent in the states. Stock internals are just as capable as an SR's and they have many of the same block features, with one of the exclusions being the block material. This could be a KA/SR argument, but I like both, so I won't persist. BTW, SR people do have problems as well, just like any performance engine builder could state. It is tuner responsibility to maintain...

[nismo_sr20_wut]

SR has been proven time after time.

Big power, driven hard. it still works. usually no worrys. Go do your KA-t's buddy GF.

KA

Big power driven hard...it MIGHT still work. Tiem to fix the car again while unknowly your friend is dong your gf while working your car.

[ThatGuy]

lol... maybe it was my feeble attempt at introducing parts sharing for SR's and KA's. I guess the two worlds were never meant to be one.... :ghey:

My comment was directed towards nismo_sr20_wut, he's throwing out info like he knows more about your engine then you do. I personaly want an SR, but that's just because my KA is shot and I'm prolly just to lazy to research a KA-T build. But I congratulate you on your build, and again wish you luck with the next one. :D :wavey:

[mrmephistopheles]

This comment was totally uncalled for.

psssst. I think it was sarcasm.

[AceInHole]

It's hard not to notice whe every other post is a KA problem or ghetto fix.

ghetto fix yes, sometimes.... but what problem?? the ECU retune that started with SR20DE guys doing it?? the hacked MAF that came from the turbo DSM guys?? the 4 bar fuel pressure used by FWD SR guys with a JWT ECU tune that accomodates it?? My SS autochrome manifold that attempted to let KA guys use SR piping?? the NPR intercooler with custom endtanks??

The ONLY reason you see a lot of posts from me is because I try to make more/ better power without caring if I blow my motor up. It's called developement. The reason you don't see the SR guys doing the same is because most of them chose that route because it's deemed "safe". They don't feel the need to search for new routes. I'm lucky enough that I got HaLo to try something "unorthodox" with his SR.

[mrmephistopheles]

you make it sound like he's struggling or having a hard time making it work.
The first motor had a busted rod from oiling issues. The second motor was in the car crash (so the turbo kit came off).

Oh shit PJ. Reading your post just now about the drill thru the head, and Asad's wonderful welding.. I'd forgotten all about those.. That was some funny shit.

[zero.counter]

It's hard not to notice whe every other post is a KA problem or ghetto fix.
It's not hard to notice how every other forum is, "I just bought a 240sx and I want to drift like initial D, I am saving for an SR SWAP".

To each their own, so if you have an SR, then good for you. Been there done that...but don't come knocking around setups if you don't know the whole story. First of all, high mileage...because we have lots of land and long highways. Lots of SRs come with less than 70k because there is not much to that island. Second of all, maybe he likes the torque offered by the KA as opposed to the SR. Third of all, aftermarket suppport is increasing for the KA and is only getting better. Fourth of all, many KA enthusiasts are are the boards now discussing ways to improve and already good thing just as SR folks do. Fifth of all, not everyone is a tool and has to join the collective....

[SilviaDriver]

nismo sr20 wut...u are gay. end of story. i think i talked to u before. there are problems with SR people...missing parts..parts not working..blown #3 i believe..i always see threads bout blown #3s.

y do KA motors have problems? are u dumb? they are NA to begin with and u are slapping a turbo on them. EXPECT problems!

the SR was turbo to begin with so they were built to withhold it hence y the less problems

think before u talk.

[zero.counter]

psssst. I think it was sarcasm.
Yeah, you are right. There is a first time for everything and I did not catch that one.


Sorry optionzero... :(

[AceInHole]

SR has been proven time after time.

Big power, driven hard. it still works. usually no worrys. Go do your KA-t's buddy GF.

KA

Big power driven hard...it MIGHT still work. Tiem to fix the car again while unknowly your friend is dong your gf while working your car.
lol. and.... for the NER 2004 autocross season... 2 KAT's and 2 SR's.... who was missing events?? oh that's right. The SR's were, while the KAT's were being co-driven at every single event.

Oddly enough, your little GF story is the exact reason I didn't go with the SR. While the SR guys wait a month for parts, then work overtime trying to afford those parts, I drop in a new motor in a day and get back to life.

[nismo_sr20_wut]

Maybe if you live in BFE.

[mrmephistopheles]

ok, Nismo, now you're just trolling.
cut it out (http://www.cutitout.net/) .
If you have something useful to add to the thread, do it, otherwise, stfu.

[AceInHole]

Oh shit PJ. Reading your post just now about the drill thru the head, and Asad's wonderful welding.. I'd forgotten all about those.. That was some funny shit.

lol. at least asad had something to cut up in the end. he was the beginning and end of that story in a way.

This thread made me realize: i've logged over 60k miles on turbocharged KA's. First motor died at around 167k miles, and was turbo'ed at just under 140k. Second motor was purchased at 27k, and sold at 50ish k. Last motor had around 10k on it of turbo before death, but it also was beat on the most (mostly from dyno tuning for hours on end).

[AceInHole]

ok, Nismo, now you're just trolling.
cut it out.
If you have something useful to add to the thread, do it, otherwise, stfu.

lol. it's useful. it just reinforces the whole "SR guys are dickheads" stereotype. I feel bad for you SR guys now...... you know I ain't got nothin but love :hug:



I'm still waiting to hear what KAT problems I've had......

[kaje36]

umm still waiting... still waiting...

some peaple might like to make thing.. and build stuff.. it gives them joy. so you combine that with a car guy.. and he is doing all his own work, and trying to make things better then all the companies out there, even if he doesnt its still fun for him. and your dissing him becouse he is doing something that helps the comunity is creative, and he enjoys ? ... wow......

[AceInHole]

and your dissing him becouse he is doing something that helps the comunity is creative, and he enjoys ? ... wow......

actually i hate this stuff. i can't wait to drop the B18 into my EG. turbos are for people who can't tune good.

[kaje36]

i hate you. you made me go KA. now i want a hybrid engine. whaaaaa"

[AceInHole]

i hate you. you made me go KA. now i want a hybrid engine. whaaaaa"

you went hybrid. S13 head on S14 block. hybrid sucks.

[kaje36]

ok ok ok that hybrid sucks, but I needed that one... stupid compression tester with messed up threads from the factory.. glad I didnt have a sr then....

[AceInHole]

but my setup makes as much power as someone else's built $9000 SR without the ignition problems.... why WOULDN'T you want a delicate expensive harder to replace block to beat on??

[SR20DEe]

turbos are for people who can't tune good.

WERD YO :werd:

[Bbandit]

LOL i couldnt believe people like nismo still exist...

Looks like fun PJ (well, not that fun I guess :) ), I hope you can get this one done without any problems and win some more autoXes :)

[SR20DEe]

I cant wait to drive the beater with hoosiers :D

[AceInHole]

I cant wait to drive the beater with hoosiers :D

Yeah... if only you were driving at the last NER weekend instead of Jimmy.... this motor would still be making 270+ :p (pansy drivah!)

[SR20DEe]

bah screw you ;) one of these days... i'll be faster than you in my own car :D

[AceInHole]

LOL i couldnt believe people like nismo still exist...

Looks like fun PJ (well, not that fun I guess :) ), I hope you can get this one done without any problems and win some more autoXes :)
LoL. if this engine doesn't work I can get another one for another hundred bucks. Big whoop. This one came with the alternator and A/C compressor on it!! Just gotta sell those and it's like a free engine :p

I'll definitely be ready for the next autox. The engine is already in. Just need to crank it tomorrow after I get some fluids for it (which I forgot to get). Next season is what I'm looking forward to now. I'll have a built bottom end KA by then :D

[AceInHole]

bah screw you ;) one of these days... i'll be faster than you in my own car :D

that requires you buying your car from the bank, then getting your Visa "sponsorship" to lend you a snail or two.....

[stealthx32]

:aw:

Concidence, I swear. Spinning at the finish line had nothing to do with it. :eek3d:

[AceInHole]

Haha. Hurry up and get the GT28RS on. I wanna know if I'll want one too :D

[SR20DEe]

:p


to nismo: think of it this way.. pj blew out a ring on the old engine.. BIG FUGGING DEAL... I asked him why he didn't just replace the ring. he said.. becuase .. i can build up the other engine.. I think that this is a FINE FINE FINE IDEA.. that and some evans cooling system non-aquacious coolant and he will never shed a tear for power again :D

[SR20DEe]

:aw:

Concidence, I swear. Spinning at the finish line had nothing to do with it. :eek3d:


wheres my azenis :mepoke:

just kidding dude :p

[AceInHole]

that and some evans cooling system non-aquacious coolant and he will never shed a tear for power again :D

lol. so when are we driving out to west-bumf*ck to go get some for my car... which currently already has its coolent flushed and requires some. ??

[F3600]

Props for AceInHole. Good work there :)

Hey nismo_sr20_wut: The CA18DET surpass the sr20det in every existing aspect so stop being a dick with your Sr20 supremacy :nono:

I dont feel like explaining why , im only spitting fuel on the fire.. hehe Sorry ppl !:P

[mrmephistopheles]

the whole "SR guys are dickheads" stereotype.

Hey fucker, I have 2 SRs! I'm not.. oh wait. I am a dickhead. Just not about what motor is "better".

[AceInHole]

aww come on now. he wasn't saying the SR was the best. he was just insinuating that KA guys don't know how to tune engines by themselves. he may be right, but that's why we do it.... so we can figure it out.

oddly enough, he's tying to say that i've had tons of problems, where I haven't.... even though 90% of my turbo setup is something relatively new to the 240sx community.

[stealthx32]

:mad:

Last NER event...I hit that giant block of metal on the highway on the way up. Bent my 17" Konigs. I've sold the tires off the OEM 16's. 17's Mustangs are shod w/ Kumho V700s. So yeah. I have no street tires. :duh: Yeah, I know. Hard to believe a guy who owns 4 sets of rims and 5 sets of tires, but I have no street tires that are usable currently. I gotta shell out the money for 2 replacement rims... Fuggin' Mass Pike... :fawkd:

[SR20DEe]

I have an SR.. and im sure a I AM a dickhead :D

[SR20DEe]

oddly enough, he's tying to say that i've had tons of problems, where I haven't.... even though 90% of my turbo setup is something relatively new to the 240sx community.

the best idea was the manifold :)

[AceInHole]

Hey fucker, I have 2 SRs! I'm not.. oh wait. I am a dickhead. Just not about what motor is "better".

My best open class challenge NESCC event was done in an SR... B15 SR20DE that is. It's got NOTHING on the super Civic HX that I won Canadian Nationals in, though.... VTEC-E ownz j00.

I like SR's. That's why I kept the drill bits away from HaLo's block :p I just don't think more than a day of downtime is worth having less response and power.

[F3600]

ok ok , well i was reading his post too fast maybe. I was only seeing : SR is the way to go, you lose your time on your shitty Truck engine KA (its not what i think im actually rebuilding my old Ka)

[mrmephistopheles]

i dunno... i liked the 'vented head' technique. as well as the 'unrolled fender SPL'

Aww, I'm messing. PJ has been a great source of ingenuity. He's a resource to the community.

[AceInHole]

i dunno... i liked the 'vented head' technique. as well as the 'unrolled fender SPL'

hahahaha. wait till you see my vented hood.... and the fenders to clear my new wheels :p

[HaLo]

PJ has shown me what a KA+T can do and HOW it can be superior to the SR.

It's because of him that I am attempting a higher compression SR20DET... He has NO LAG, INSTANT RESPONSE, produces as much power as I am, and can beat the crap out of me on a auto-x course. The worse part is, even after his MULTIPLE engine swaps, rebuilds, etc, it still amounts to much less than my bill.

Think about it guys.

I prefer the SR, but I totally respect the KA.

One day, when my 9.5:1 SR will run, I'll get back at you, PJ! :p

(sorry for thread revival)

[AceInHole]

hah. if i had an SR... would I be driving up to Canada on the 22nd just to go autocrossing and pull a crank pulley off an SR?? Would I be driving 6 hours down to DC to do an autocross event in VA on the 15th (well, it's that or drifting in new hampshire....)??

hmmm..... :gives:
it's just another KA.

[HaLo]

If you had a SR, you'd have much downtime. I KNOW.

Downtime BLOWS. (espacially in a country where you store your car in a garage 5 months of the year)

[Salty_X]

I've got twenty bucks that says Nismo SR20 Wut is Nitekids.

Think about all the Nitekids characteristics present here:
Devout SR20 loyalty, major KA bashing.
Hates HRE wheels.
Posts pictures like this (http://www.sillbeer.com/upload/files/battleshipwheels.jpg ).


I think it's time for Meph to bust out the banstick and regulate.

If not, fuck it, he's still acting like a douchebag.

[OptionZero]

I noticed he even posted on a lexus forum's car of the day thread or some shit.

[ThatGuy]

Whoever he is, I think he's doin it just for the attention. Seems like he'll pick a fight for any reason. I almost feel bad for him.

[nightwalker]

Nismo Sr20 wut..... what a fuckin truenocoupe.

[ledzeppelin240]

Nismo Sr20 you are stupid. It had to begin somewhere with someone with a KA-T...It is all evolving to the point of more and more reliable turbo set-ups, a lot of trial and error as well as blowing motors.

IF the wheel was just left alone where would be today??? Riding on stone cause no one decided to change it at all. You are always going to hear the negatives before you hear the positive on something. There are always going to be more people complaining because that’s the way it usually works. The bad KA stories are a lot more plentiful than the good KA stories, due to the fact that when something works people are less likely to talk about it. You are just another "Blind Enthusiast".

[Steeles]

back on topic sounds like a fun weekend Ace :) yeah downtime sucks my SRs been down for 6 months waitning on parts and chit :p your back running in a day i hate you people :D

[AceInHole]

i got bitched out by my landlady for swapping an engine in the parking lot, so i had to cut it short and just get it runing instead of spending more time cleaning..... but it's done:

my dirty yet improvable and now 4 cylinder engine:
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/carsIM/newswap/IMG_8380.JPG

still running a safe fuel map untill i get to the dyno :p
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/carsIM/newswap/IMG_8381.JPG

car seems to sit a bit lower with the heavy KA in it :eek:
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/carsIM/newswap/IMG_8383.JPG

see it smiling?? happy car. happy. :w00t:
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/carsIM/newswap/IMG_8385.JPG

[fastpace]

That is classic, at least it took you a day to finish it. I worked on my ka-t at my apartment for 2 weeks and didn't get in trouble, but oh well :gives: . Glad everything is working out for you.

[MakotoS13]

i tore down my whole S13 in front of my apartment. if all goes well i'll be lookin for a pad with a garage before december so i won't have to use the shop so much :)

keep on a rockin ACE. cars like yours keep me goin back and forth between the SR KAT camps.

[240Driver39]

well...addding late to this thread..not sure how i missed it...i dont really remember complete destruction from pj's threads, more a shitload of ideas for a lot of a guys just lookin for some more power without having to swap out their perfectly fine motors. With that said..there will be 2 more aceinhole specials at my apt at school this year....mine and my friends..should be fun times...oh yeah...its cool when ur roomate swapped his 80k ka out for an sr too and just has it lying around...haha.

[KOUKI KA-T]

Nice work Ace, I gotta do something about my timing before my motor ends up being another KA18DET as well.. Did you decide to install the BTM on this motor?

[Bbandit]

Congrats maing!

Oh btw, are you still using spec stg 3 clutch?
I have one too in mine but Im kinda skeptical about its longetivity..
I heard their moto is "it will break before it wears out"

[AceInHole]

Congrats maing!

Oh btw, are you still using spec stg 3 clutch?
I have one too in mine but Im kinda skeptical about its longetivity..
I heard their moto is "it will break before it wears out"
I'm selling the SPEC to a friend. My car came with a 6-puck clutch with a white pressure plate.... and I have no clue what it is... but it holds great :p

Nice work Ace, I gotta do something about my timing before my motor ends up being another KA18DET as well.. Did you decide to install the BTM on this motor?
I have the BTM on order. I'm hoping to have it by this weekend.....