did exhaust laws change?

[BOOGS!]

i got a ticket last night for tint (26708.5) and exhaust (27151) and they were both marked non correctable. exhaust really isnt that loud and tint isnt dark at all. this is my first ticket btw. cop said exhaust cant be touched at all and you cant tint the front driver and passenger windows. (this is in a sedan.)

originally, i thought the exhaust just couldnt exceed 95 decibels and you could tint your front windows at a certain limit just as long as it wasnt the windshield. ive driven this car for 4-5 years like this without problems as well as pulled over a couple times and just let off without any tickets.

did anything change in the past couple years? also just help in general on what to do since this is my first ticket haha.

can i take off tint and change exhaust without paying a huge fine?

[Zenki Kat]

I got a ticket for tint on my 14 but it is suppose to be marked as "correctable" as per say from the lady at the courthouse. I also got a ticket for no front plate, in which was marked "non-correctable" on my ticket and she told me it was suppose to be marked as "correctable" ... on the day of your court day, you have to show proof you "corrected" what you got ticketed on...and he may lower the fine. Typically for a tint ticket, if you don't get it corrected, I believe it's in the 2-3 hundreds $... but once corrected, it's like $50 IIRC..

Cops will be cops and will ticket you for any little reason you can give them..such as tint. They'll check your tint and if you do, even if it's 90% tint, it's still tint and they'll write you up for it. Same with exhaust... my friend got reffed for his exhaust and had to go back to stock. Hope this somewhat helps!

[BOOGS!]

Nah it does help thanks, imma just go fishbowlin' haha. Previous owner put them on but didn't bother me enough to take it off since I never got pulled over for it before that night.

For the exhuast I might try to fight it cause I know it's not that loud, it's only an axleback. Unless the law changed to not touching the exhaust system at all.

[Zenki Kat]

It sounds like the cop was being a dick and was probably having a bad day ha.. You can definitely fight the exhaust ticket, get proof that it doesn't exceed the legal limit.. I have an axle-back as well (Apexi) and they told me if he were to see me again, he'd give me a ticket for it and threatened to take away my car. Good luck! My court date is in May. :(

[chato de shamrock]

So all in all you cannot tint the driver and passenger? Cause I just got mine done (35 rear & 1/4 panels , 50 doors) not even 2 months ago. I was going to go lighter but figured since I'm paying a nice bill to get this done it might as well look like it's been tinted, though it's still not really dark. No point in paying for it to look stock. Last thing I want is to get charged another bill to fix it, plus my time. I daily mine and been driving past/in front of/behind/next to cops who knows how many times already since i got them tinted. Don't have anything to hide from them so I just do my own thing while i'm driving next to or near them. So far nothing.

[slideslidegnarslide]

Damn Cali sucks. Our laws are similar but cops generally don't mess with you for exhaust unless you are being an asshole. Case an point my car has a buddy club spec II and I got pulled over twice. Basically straight pipe because I have no cat and the dummy silencer removed on my sr and they never said anything about it. Shit man he even said damn this is the lowest car I've ever seen you like it this way? He just checked my paper work and I was on my way.

[onehundredoctane]

Leave California and that will solve all your problems.

[Dboyizmlg]

Leave California and that will solve all your problems.

Lmao, I have been thinking about doing this...

[onehundredoctane]

I've argued and gotten out of every window tint violation I've ever been pulled for. Never been pulled for exhaust even with straight pipes, no cat, etc.

States like Florida and South Carolina (plenty of others too I'm sure) don't even have annual car inspections. . . do all the mods you want, go buck wild! Any engine swap you want goes! I have no idea why anyone would want to live in California, other than for the weather.

[BOOGS!]

So all in all you cannot tint the driver and passenger? Cause I just got mine done (35 rear & 1/4 panels , 50 doors) not even 2 months ago. I was going to go lighter but figured since I'm paying a nice bill to get this done it might as well look like it's been tinted, though it's still not really dark. No point in paying for it to look stock. Last thing I want is to get charged another bill to fix it, plus my time. I daily mine and been driving past/in front of/behind/next to cops who knows how many times already since i got them tinted. Don't have anything to hide from them so I just do my own thing while i'm driving next to or near them. So far nothing.

reading around, i found the legal limit for the front is 70% i think mine may be 50% as someone told me but imma try to see if i can measure it at a tint shop. Most cops dont care just as long as they can see you, or at least a silhouette but as zenki kat said, he was being a dick.

[Zenki Kat]

So all in all you cannot tint the driver and passenger? Cause I just got mine done (35 rear & 1/4 panels , 50 doors) not even 2 months ago. I was going to go lighter but figured since I'm paying a nice bill to get this done it might as well look like it's been tinted, though it's still not really dark. No point in paying for it to look stock. Last thing I want is to get charged another bill to fix it, plus my time. I daily mine and been driving past/in front of/behind/next to cops who knows how many times already since i got them tinted. Don't have anything to hide from them so I just do my own thing while i'm driving next to or near them. So far nothing.


Yeah..here's a code CVC 26708. It covers “material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows”.

HOW DARK CAN WINDOW TINT BE IN CALIFORNIA? Darkness of tint is measured by Visible Light
Transmission percentage (VLT%). In California, this percentage refers to
percentage of visible light allowed in through the combination of film
and the window.
Windshield Non-reflective tint is allowed on the top 4 inches of the windshield.
Front Side Windows Must allow more than 70% of light in.
Back Side Windows Any darkness can be used.
Rear Window Any darkness can be used.

HOW REFLECTIVE CAN THE TINT BE IN CALIFORNIA? Similar to sun glass lenses, some tinting film
contains metallic elements that help in reflecting incoming light and reducing the glare and heat generated by visible light.
Front Side Windows Must not be more reflective than a standard window.
Back Side Windows Must not be more reflective than a standard window.

OTHER CALIFORNIA RULES AND REGULATIONS
Restricted Colors The tint color(s) of RED AMBER BLUE are not legal by state law.
Side Mirrors Dual side mirrors are required if back window is tinted.
Certificate Requirements Manufacturers of film do NOT need to certify the film they sell in the state.
Sticker Requirements No sticker to identify legal tinting is required.
Medical Exemption State law does NOT allow medical exemptions that would allow you use special tint.


But in a sense, it only took that happening 2 times in 1998 for the California Tint Law to be enacted in 1999. That was two times too many that an officer was killed due to the fact he couldn't see that the driver/passenger had a gun. Depending on the area you live in, I live in LA and it depends on how the cop feels about your vehicle as well.

[Zenki Kat]

Some cops are cool about it, some are very anal about it.

[Zenki Kat]

CHP/Police Dept Perspective:

http://www.murrietainsuranceservices.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Window-Tint-Percent-Look-In.jpg

SoCal Driver's Perspective:

http://www.insurancemurrietasgb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Window-Tint-Percent-SawedOf.jpg

[chato de shamrock]

Leave California and that will solve all your problems.

Yeah I'm actually looking into moving to Texas this summer and giving my notice at my job sometime in the next month or two. Aside from my family and the Dodgers, can't say i'll miss it. Hope Texas isn't full of douches like our Gov't offices are. I mean, there's got to be a good reason why jobs have left our state to go out there.

[chato de shamrock]

Yeah..here's a code CVC 26708. It covers “material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows”.

HOW DARK CAN WINDOW TINT BE IN CALIFORNIA? Darkness of tint is measured by Visible Light
Transmission percentage (VLT%). In California, this percentage refers to
percentage of visible light allowed in through the combination of film
and the window.
Windshield Non-reflective tint is allowed on the top 4 inches of the windshield.
Front Side Windows Must allow more than 70% of light in.
Back Side Windows Any darkness can be used.
Rear Window Any darkness can be used.

HOW REFLECTIVE CAN THE TINT BE IN CALIFORNIA? Similar to sun glass lenses, some tinting film
contains metallic elements that help in reflecting incoming light and reducing the glare and heat generated by visible light.
Front Side Windows Must not be more reflective than a standard window.
Back Side Windows Must not be more reflective than a standard window.

OTHER CALIFORNIA RULES AND REGULATIONS
Restricted Colors The tint color(s) of RED AMBER BLUE are not legal by state law.
Side Mirrors Dual side mirrors are required if back window is tinted.
Certificate Requirements Manufacturers of film do NOT need to certify the film they sell in the state.
Sticker Requirements No sticker to identify legal tinting is required.
Medical Exemption State law does NOT allow medical exemptions that would allow you use special tint.


But in a sense, it only took that happening 2 times in 1998 for the California Tint Law to be enacted in 1999. That was two times too many that an officer was killed due to the fact he couldn't see that the driver/passenger had a gun. Depending on the area you live in, I live in LA and it depends on how the cop feels about your vehicle as well.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I found the website you got this information from when I started going some google searching yesterday. I just want to make sure I got this right. The percentages on the tint films refer to how much light (VLT) goes through the film, for example 35% means that's how much light gets through? And let's say that 50% was installed on my 240's doors then that means I'm technically riding with an illegal tint job that's 20% too dark? Is that correct?

[Zenki Kat]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I found the website you got this information from when I started going some google searching yesterday. I just want to make sure I got this right. The percentages on the tint films refer to how much light (VLT) goes through the film, for example 35% means that's how much light gets through? And let's say that 50% was installed on my 240's doors then that means I'm technically riding with an illegal tint job that's 20% too dark? Is that correct?

The percentage is referred to the amount of light going through, correct. I got the info from the same website you're probably talking about. And yes... 50% is 20% too dark than the "suggested" 70% ... Technically speaking, 70% is basically no tint lol do you sort of understand?

[Zenki Kat]

According to the images I have previously posted above, 70% does fall in the NO TINT section.

[Akito86]

In CA is "illegal" to have any tint in front windows at all unless oem ��
Now exhaust is correctable i would bolt stock go to sheriff show them but must likely they will send you to court n just talk to judge explain what sheriff office said and should only be a $25 fee at the window at court. Only$25?? I can buy groceries with that .. Those greedy bastards..money money is what police wants.

[ChopSuey89]

I got pulled over in my g35 coupe a few years ago for tint literally had the car for 2 days and the cop tells me that any tint on the front windows was illegal, so no tint on the front driver and pass. Doors. And he was nice enough to give me two options, a ticket or remove the tint on the spot so I asked how much the ticket would be, he said it'd be $150 and double if he saw me again. I took my tint off cause I figured he would folllow me and pull me over again. Lol as for exhaust, my shit sets off alarms left and right, I drive by the police station everyday and haven't been pulled over yet.

[chato de shamrock]

Thanks Zenki Kat. I understand it now.

In CA is "illegal" to have any tint in front windows at all unless oem ��
Now exhaust is correctable i would bolt stock go to sheriff show them but must likely they will send you to court n just talk to judge explain what sheriff office said and should only be a $25 fee at the window at court. Only$25?? I can buy groceries with that .. Those greedy bastards..money money is what police wants.

The greedy bastards are those making the laws in the city and state. The police is just one of their tools to get that. Parking enforcement working until 9 P.M. sounds so stupid. But that's just the country we live in. People trying to see where they can get more and more money out of others. Last time I took a drive to an arts and crafts store located next to a bank. The area gets very crowded after hours when people come home from work or from the restaurants and night life. As I drove there I thought of quickly parking in the bank's parking lot, then running to the arts store cause i knew parking was going to be a pain. Sure enough it was a pain to find a spot, but the bank's in that area were all renting out their parking spaces with valet at the entrance. I had to go inside the ally behind the store and just park there while I ran in for no more then 5 minutes. Valet was looking at me like, "dude?" as I got off my car, but the guy at the store said where I left my car was considered their parking area.

[koukikat180sx]

FYI...

Source: http://www.chp.ca.gov/news_traffic/qanda.html

The main requirements for legal window tinting in California are:

1.The windshield and front driver's side and passenger's side windows cannot receive any aftermarket tinting.
2.If the rear window of a vehicle is tinted, the vehicle must have outside rearview mirrors on both sides.


The law prohibits any person from driving any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows, with certain limited exceptions.

However, legislation signed into law effective January 1, 1999, exempts from the above prohibition specified clear, colorless, and transparent material that is installed, affixed, or applied to the front driver and passenger side windows for the specific purpose of reducing ultraviolet rays. If, as, or when this material becomes torn, bubbled or otherwise worn, it must be removed or replaced.

[funes]

You can tint your 2 front windows and/or windshield with 80% or 90% Tint and you are going to be fine according to the law.

[racer98]

i got a ticket last night for tint (26708.5) and exhaust (27151) and they were both marked non correctable. exhaust really isnt that loud and tint isnt dark at all. this is my first ticket btw. cop said exhaust cant be touched at all and you cant tint the front driver and passenger windows. (this is in a sedan.)

originally, i thought the exhaust just couldnt exceed 95 decibels and you could tint your front windows at a certain limit just as long as it wasnt the windshield. ive driven this car for 4-5 years like this without problems as well as pulled over a couple times and just let off without any tickets.

did anything change in the past couple years? also just help in general on what to do since this is my first ticket haha.

can i take off tint and change exhaust without paying a huge fine?


where did you get pulled over ? what city and LEA cited you Local or CHP ?

[racer98]

I got a ticket for tint on my 14 but it is suppose to be marked as "correctable" as per say from the lady at the courthouse. I also got a ticket for no front plate, in which was marked "non-correctable" on my ticket and she told me it was suppose to be marked as "correctable" ... on the day of your court day, you have to show proof you "corrected" what you got ticketed on...and he may lower the fine. Typically for a tint ticket, if you don't get it corrected, I believe it's in the 2-3 hundreds $... but once corrected, it's like $50 IIRC..

Cops will be cops and will ticket you for any little reason you can give them..such as tint. They'll check your tint and if you do, even if it's 90% tint, it's still tint and they'll write you up for it. Same with exhaust... my friend got reffed for his exhaust and had to go back to stock. Hope this somewhat helps!


couple of things
- no front tints
- put your front plate on your just asking to get your hood popped
- make sure your rear plate light is working and illuminated
- make sure you have all working head lights and tail lights
- make sure your wipers arms are in place
- 3rd brake light is working

as far as modified exhaust - it has to look stock - if you want a good set up
G35 sedan muffler or a STi stock rear muffler if you want sound - open it up and gut it out. Looks stock and works.

anyone running turbo'ed setup - make it all look stock. and dont drive like a dick.

if you should be cited..........
do not wait for the court date - go and get everything fixed and signed off well in advance of the date - pay the fine.

[krazy13]

stupid question... Can't you go to a referee to get the decibel's checked on the exhaust? I know they do that and will give you a certificate letting people know what level it is at. Correct me if I am wrong.

[MrMigs]

You're right

[EDacIouSX]

seems like cops went on a huge bust this weekend harassing a ton of people. anyone else experience this? Nice of them to choose mother's day weekend.

[JSimpson]

I've argued and gotten out of every window tint violation I've ever been pulled for. Never been pulled for exhaust even with straight pipes, no cat, etc.

States like Florida and South Carolina (plenty of others too I'm sure) don't even have annual car inspections. . . do all the mods you want, go buck wild! Any engine swap you want goes! I have no idea why anyone would want to live in California, other than for the weather.

In Indiana if we have a car sitting there that looks like it has the potential to move, its legal. Zero regulations for us haha. Only thing the cop is supposed to look at is the VIN and in the 5 240s I've owned and had the cop come inspect, he never once looked at the vin, just signed the paper, off to the BMV, got a title and was never inspected again.

[DiceDealer]

if you know your laws regarding exhausts, you should definitely know this:

unless you have removed the OEM smog equipment or altered it in a way that hinders it from performing as it was originally intended; there is nothing wrong with modifying your exhaust. in other words, as long as you still have a Cat, you're fine. its the same as them trying to say u cant have an intake, but if you haven't done anything else to the emissions system (such as remove or bypass the MAF/MAP) they cant say or do anything.

I got pulled over because some rookie cop tried to tell me that ANY modification the exhaust was illegal. I told him to call it in to his CO and ask if what I told him was true. he then returned to me, apologized for disturbing my night, and told me to drive safely

[MrMigs]

I want to be leaf...

If true, *slow clap*

[Dboyizmlg]

if you know your laws regarding exhausts, you should definitely know this:

unless you have removed the OEM smog equipment or altered it in a way that hinders it from performing as it was originally intended; there is nothing wrong with modifying your exhaust. in other words, as long as you still have a Cat, you're fine. its the same as them trying to say u cant have an intake, but if you haven't done anything else to the emissions system (such as remove or bypass the MAF/MAP) they cant say or do anything.

I got pulled over because some rookie cop tried to tell me that ANY modification the exhaust was illegal. I told him to call it in to his CO and ask if what I told him was true. he then returned to me, apologized for disturbing my night, and told me to drive safely

Prove it with legal documentation, or I don't believe.

[EDacIouSX]

Prove it with legal documentation, or I don't believe.

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=veh&group=27001-28000&file=27150-27159

[Dboyizmlg]

^ I do apologize for the question.

It came to my attention and I have done a lot of reaserch on this lately.
So basically modified cat-back,muffler, is NOT illegal if it is still equiped with a catalytic converter. Also, it has to be 95db(a) and under noise level.

We can can the biggest fart cannon we would like, as long as it meets these two requirements

[BOOGS!]

Meh. I just a stock one back on, gives one less reason to pull me over for. I went to the chp to try and get the violations signed off regardless if it was checked non-correctable, and cop said he won't sign it even if my exhaust was under 95db cause it doesn't look stock. Dude threatened to give me a ticket for ride height because I was getting all "technical" saying the ride height was legal as long as headlights were above 22" and exhaust could be under 95db.

Saying I don't know shit and he knows more than me. FOH, wit yo high ass horse.

[Dboyizmlg]

Meh. I just a stock one back on, gives one less reason to pull me over for. I went to the chp to try and get the violations signed off regardless if it was checked non-correctable, and cop said he won't sign it even if my exhaust was under 95db cause it doesn't look stock. Dude threatened to give me a ticket for ride height because I was getting all "technical" saying the ride height was legal as long as headlights were above 22" and exhaust could be under 95db.

Saying I don't know shit and he knows more than me. FOH, wit yo high ass horse.

I agree with you on the one less reason to pull you over for.

But he's being an ass for not wanting to sign it off.
If I where you, I would print out documentation of vehicle codes for the citiation, and highlight the TWO reasons why it isn't illegal.
Prove that it's under 95db(a), and it still has a CAT.

Take that to the judge and show it, that way the judge will dismiss the infraction.
Trust me this shit works! I've been to so many court days and have witnessed people get away with some crazy shit.

Last month I was there this chick got a "text while driving ticket", the only reason she got it was cause she had her phone in her hand while driving.
Well long story short, she was able to prove to the judge that she wasn't texting! She was on her Navigation! Lol, judge dismissed charge!

There is no law against against navigation on your phone while driving!
Find the loop holes, and use them! We have our rights!

[BOOGS!]

I agree with you on the one less reason to pull you over for.

But he's being an ass for not wanting to sign it off.
If I where you, I would print out documentation of vehicle codes for the citiation, and highlight the TWO reasons why it isn't illegal.
Prove that it's under 95db(a), and it still has a CAT.

Take that to the judge and show it, that way the judge will dismiss the infraction.
Trust me this shit works! I've been to so many court days and have witnessed people get away with some crazy shit.

Last month I was there this chick got a "text while driving ticket", the only reason she got it was cause she had her phone in her hand while driving.
Well long story short, she was able to prove to the judge that she wasn't texting! She was on her Navigation! Lol, judge dismissed charge!

There is no law against against navigation on your phone while driving!
Find the loop holes, and use them! We have our rights!

being this is my first ticket, i dont really know how it works. do i have to send money in by mail before court date and go to court on the court date? or do i just go to court on the date it says on the ticket and pay it there? i want to ask the judge if i can have the violations changed to correctable.

about the exhaust... i went to get a decibel test at the state ref and it passed at 91.5db, but i didnt have my 3rd cat :o lol. i honestly thought there were only 2 haha i bought the car with the exhaust on already. so i found a used stock cat, which is also illegal haha, and put entire exhaust system back to stock.

[Dboyizmlg]

being this is my first ticket, i dont really know how it works. do i have to send money in by mail before court date and go to court on the court date? or do i just go to court on the date it says on the ticket and pay it there? i want to ask the judge if i can have the violations changed to correctable.

about the exhaust... i went to get a decibel test at the state ref and it passed at 91.5db, but i didnt have my 3rd cat :o lol. i honestly thought there were only 2 haha i bought the car with the exhaust on already. so i found a used stock cat, which is also illegal haha, and put entire exhaust system back to stock.

What I would do is go to court, talk to the clerk and ask to see the judge regarding the citation. They will schedule you to see the judge in a couple of days. Then that's when you speak to judge, tell him/her that the citation is supposed to be correctable, but the officer marked it as non-correctable.
The judge will grant that for you, and will ask you if you have/are going to correct the exhaust.
In California the correction once signed by a law enforcement officer, is $25.00, you pay that at the clerks office.

Just be honest with the judge, and explain your situation clearly. Judges really appreciate that.

[Dboyizmlg]

3rd cat....? On a 240sx?

240sx only have one cat, one resonator, and muffler.
Each one of those is to lower emission, and for noise reduction.
240sx don't have 3 cat.

[BOOGS!]

3rd cat....? On a 240sx?

240sx only have one cat, one resonator, and muffler.
Each one of those is to lower emission, and for noise reduction.
240sx don't have 3 cat.

oh dont know if you read the whole thread but im the op. this is for an is300

[Dboyizmlg]

oh dont know if you read the whole thread but im the op. this is for an is300

Oh, sorry.
I was unaware of that, lol

[S2k_bwhite]

Depends on the police officer and what mood they are in. Really shouldnt be that way though.