225/50/16 rubbing?

[justinhustle]

anyone having some rubbing with this size up front?

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

I run that size on 16x8 with a +26 offset on my S14. No rubbing at all. We put those wheels on my brother's S13 and no problems.

[orion::S14]

I run 225/50-16 Kumho 711s on S14 SE wheels (16X6.5, +40) on my S13.

No rubbing, looks and fits nice.

- Brian

[CoasTek240]

I run 225/50-16 Kumho 711s on S14 SE wheels (16X6.5, +40) on my S13.

No rubbing, looks and fits nice.

- Brian
does anyone have any pictures by chance?

i'm going to be running z32 16x7.5 up front with the 225 50 16... maybe 215.
i'm fairly sure it should be aiight as far as clearance issues i might need a lil spacer.

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

http://www.speedmonkeyinc.com/SMS13.jpg

http://www.speedmonkeyinc.com/IMG_2816.jpg

[Maeda]

Please people. Wheel's are not buried treasure. We are ont wheel pirates. You don't need to hide them in the fenders from other wheel pirates.

Get a proper offset. There's no excuse for +40 or +26 on a S14, unless you conned a honda owner for his wheels, but don't do that and IF you do, get a spacer thats +20 or more.

Buy an offset that'll rub a little. Then make your fenders match. =)

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

Please people. Wheel's are not buried treasure. We are ont wheel pirates. You don't need to hide them in the fenders from other wheel pirates.

Get a proper offset. There's no excuse for +40 or +26 on a S14, unless you conned a honda owner for his wheels, but don't do that and IF you do, get a spacer thats +20 or more.

Buy an offset that'll rub a little. Then make your fenders match. =)

Whatever poser. My setup works, and works well. Sorry it doesn't meet your "super flushness JDM drift" or what ever standard you base your opinion on.

[Maeda]

Oo ouch. It hurts. Looks like you analyzed my position to the tee making me hurt. Youve exposed my fundamental personality flaw that i've been trying to hide with my car and internet posts for years!

First of all where have I ever stated I'm a drifter? I think as long as i've been on this forum i've always proclaimed myself as a 'poser' of sorts. I'm not a drifter. Nor do I proclaim myself as one. I like it, but thats not all i'm about.

Second. Your setup may "work", but what I commented on would make it work better. To top if off this wasn't directed specifically at you, it was toward the 240 community as a whole. SINCE WHEN IS +40 or even +30 an acceptable offset!? With a proper offset you'll have a wider wheel base, thus making more grip. Not ONLY will the wheels work better, the wheels will also look better because they will now be matching the natural body lines of the car's design (the fender?). When's the last time you looked into any of that? Now its your turn shut the fuck up.

[SaintlyCharBoy]

SINCE WHEN IS +40 or even +30 an acceptable offset!? With a proper offset you'll have a wider wheel base, thus making more grip. Not ONLY will the wheels work better, the wheels will also look better because they will now be matching the natural body lines of the car's design (the fender?)...Now its your turn shut the fuck up.

first, the 240sx was designed in original trim with +48mm offset wheels, anything different will effect the scrub radius up front, adversly effecting the performance for the every day driver (granted i agree that many here are not "every day drivers, and want the added stability afforded by different wheels)

having a wider wheelbase will NOT "make more grip" wider wheels do that. having a wide wheel base can enhance stability, but it does dick for actual grip

aesthetics are opinion based

please stop being a dick

[Brian]

i have some imput on tires rubbing:

you (everybody who doesnt know) need to understand that a certain tire will fit perfect on one car, but will rub on another car, even if it is same type of car.

you will have to factor in.
wheel size
type of tire
height
camber
caster

right now i run a 17x9 +9 on the front of my s14. i am having troubles fitting a 215/45/17 in there. i have had to play around with different camber settings and height settings for a while now. i still don't have it right.
so, with tire rubbage, you really have to do some work yourself. changing something small might make a tire rub, or not rub. you just gotta tinker.

[Maeda]

first, the 240sx was designed in original trim with +48mm offset wheels, anything different will effect the scrub radius up front, adversly effecting the performance for the every day driver (granted i agree that many here are not "every day drivers, and want the added stability afforded by different wheels)

having a wider wheelbase will NOT "make more grip" wider wheels do that. having a wide wheel base can enhance stability, but it does dick for actual grip

aesthetics are opinion based

please stop being a dick
Ok, this is DoriftoSlut from maeda's computer since mien is sucking....

First off, I did some math a while ago because Duffman and I were arguing about wide low wheels a LOOONG time ago. With a 17x9 +10 or something around there, the CENTER of the contact patch does not move that far from stock. Thsi is what affects scrub radius. Yes, the more contact patch you have the more grip/friction you have than THAT alone contributes to "heavier" steering, but a wide, low offset wheel is not always as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

Next, one of the best handling mods imho is widening your track. I was drifting without my 20mm +3mm spacers in the rear earlier this year... my car was not nearly as stable. Put them back on and almost 2inches of track added and I was gettign the rear grip I was used to.

Like Brian said, stuff that works on one car my not on another cause of alignment settings, chassis modifications, fenders, ride height, etc... Well, thats my response for now...

And I am a super poser wannabe JDM D0reefut0 m0nkEy. Or.... i just like having a nice looking car. Which i happen to drift. So shut the F. All of you. It has nothing to do with wanted to be "JDM" Thats what all you guys use as the "Standard I'm Butthurt 'Cause I got Weaksauce Sunken Battle Ships Wheels Reply".

[SpeedMonkeyInc]

I am not arguing in favor of +40 offsets. I don't like the look of a sunken wheel any more than you do. My 17s are a +33. It looks like ass, but it clears. You personally have evaluated a +26 offset on an 8 inch wide wheel with 225/50/16 tires on an S14? People either say "I like those wheels" or "I don't like those wheels" I have never had anyone say "damn, you really need 6 more mm of offset"
You posted for no reason other than to state your opinion on high offset wheels. What is the purpose of this thread? Somebody wanted to know if a certain tire size rubbed. So I answered the original post, and you posted just to make fun of my set up and any other like it. So you shut the fuck up. I posted to add constructively to the topic, you posted because you think your funny.

[the240sxer95]

its not like they were aftermarkey wheels.. he did mention they were STOCK se wheels..

[Maeda]

I am not arguing in favor of +40 offsets. I don't like the look of a sunken wheel any more than you do. My 17s are a +33. It looks like ass, but it clears. You personally have evaluated a +26 offset on an 8 inch wide wheel with 225/50/16 tires on an S14? People either say "I like those wheels" or "I don't like those wheels" I have never had anyone say "damn, you really need 6 more mm of offset"

I'm glad your comming to terms with this and I have seen what a 16x8 225/50/16 on a +22 car, not a +26 though, looks like. I'll be the first then, I like your wheels but you need a better offset.


You posted for no reason other than to state your opinion on high offset wheels. What is the purpose of this thread? Somebody wanted to know if a certain tire size rubbed. So I answered the original post, and you posted just to make fun of my set up and any other like it. So you shut the fuck up. I posted to add constructively to the topic, you posted because you think your funny.
Orion said that his tires on + 40's still fit fine. That sets the lower limit to the offset problem. You stated that +26 also works. What i'm stating is very relavent, considering that it adds to this progression and sets the upplimit for how good you can get without rubbing. I'm sure the poster doesn't want to make the mistake of a crappy offset.

[orion::S14]

does anyone have any pictures by chance?

http://www.ka24development.com/file_images/S13/S13-2.jpg

Doesn't illustrate "flush-ness", sorry...but you can see the tires fit with just a hint of "bulge".

And you know the 7.5" Z wheels are a +45 offset...those typically WILL NOT clear with anything more than a 205, unless you run a ~10mm spacer, then you can fit 225s.

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As for the offset argument...you can read my stance on it in the "18X12, -16" thread, if you like...

- Brian

[nightwalker]

wider track owns

that's all there is to it

if you've driven on wide track low offset wheels, you wouldn't go back to a sunken battle ship.

[cdlong]

ok, i feel like filling in some info that justin left out, since i put those wheels on his car. he's got z32 TT wheels with the 7.5"s up front (of course) on an S14. the front left tire rubs on the strut a little but the right doesn't. i said he should just get 215s up front because he has to get new tires anyway, but i guess the more contact patch the better, if possible.

the car is currently not lowered but it will get coilovers in the near future so that will open up a hole 'nother can of worms. spacers will be necessary then, but they aren't now, despite what orion said.

[sykikchimp]

stock wheels are +40.

widening track is one way to reduce lateral weight transfer.

[AKADriver]

The center of the contact patch moves with the offset. Otherwise, it wouldn't widen the track. Duh. +10 will have 30mm more scrub than the stock +40 (and 60mm more track altogether).

Like charlie said, widening track is one way to reduce lateral weight transfer. It's not a bad idea.. to a point. There are plenty of negatives, too.

Running lower offsets than those that fit within the stock fenders must work for you just fine... but it's not the ideal solution for everyone's car. Some of us simply don't like the idea of rolling fenders and rerouting the wiring harness. It's not the sort of "this will always work" solution that you can offer to everybody that comes in here asking questions. Being insulting about a perfectly functional wheel setup is just stupid.

Besides.. you know if you're running a 215 or 225 tire that's pushed all the way past the bodywork, there must be a ton of room between the wheel and suspension that you're wasting that could be filled with more tire. I know at least one person on this forum has run 245s up front... he could just as easily call you out for running skinny azz economy tires.

My stock wheels look, fit, and perform just fine. :fawkd: You sunk my battleshit!

[Maeda]

More tire does not equal better.
At least in some cases.

How would a 245 in the front feel on turn in? Crappy
Or how about too much tire in the rear? Push

I've run 245s on the front as well. It SUCKS.

[TheSnail]

My car will be on the road in a week. Since you guys look like you know what your talking about. How will 17, 33+ 245 front and 33+ 275 rear with no PS run? I know its a bit off topic, so you dont have to answer. Thanks,
-Snail

[FiKtIOn]

Maeda, a 245 or lower will have no sensed loss of turn-in speed.

A 245 Hoosier maybe, but any street tire you will NOT feel affected.

A large(r) tire in the rear will NOT push.

I run 245's all around on my 325i, and turn-in is excellent, and it definitely doesn't push.

[TokyoNights]

My car will be on the road in a week. Since you guys look like you know what your talking about. How will 17, 33+ 245 front and 33+ 275 rear with no PS run? I know its a bit off topic, so you dont have to answer. Thanks,
-Snail

Thats the exact sizes Im running but on 18in wheels with +30 +35 on a s14,, the rears rub like a bastard but the fronts are fine. Im gonna put the 245 on the back and get 225 for the front,,the tires just look to big on the car right now(overkill)

[cdlong]

A large(r) tire in the rear will NOT push.

I run 245's all around on my 325i, and turn-in is excellent, and it definitely doesn't push.

he meant larger than the front. anytime you have a wider tire and thus a larger contact patch in the back the front will break away first. (generally, on our cars, MR and RR setups are a different story.)

[Var]

So wait...if i put some 255 in the front, 275 in the rear with some toyo ra1's, with front alignment being

-.5° total toe
-2.5° camber

and rear

0 toe
-1.0° camber

would my car push/be neutral/oversteer

at the limit
on turn in


front rim 17x9 +24
rear rim 17x10.5 +24

assuming i have helical lsd

i know there's no way to tell me for sure, but what do you guys think?

[cdlong]

i suck at the internet

[cdlong]

if you can get those specific specs you obviously have adjustable parts that can be tuned. tune it to whatever you like. and adjustable sway bars help with tuning balance a lot too. but i personally would start with matched wheels and tires all around.