Need help n opinions on fitting 18x12 for S14.....

[project180]

Wassup guys, still debating if I should buy this rims, size is front 18x10 -10 and rear 18x12 -16. I already have 30mm front wide fenders, so Im pretty sure it'll handle the 18x10 -10. But what Im worried about is the rear, with 50mm overfenders will it be flush with the 18x12 -16, or will it still stick out 1-2 inches more. Well need advice fitting these really hugh rims.

Heres some pictures....
http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v135/S3Slide/f92c942c.jpg
http://home.thirdage.com/Computing/project180/01Rear18x12.jpg
http://home.thirdage.com/Computing/project180/02Rear18x12.jpg

Thanks in advance!!

[TurDz]

sorry man, but this was my exact reaction when I saw pics: :eek2:

[sticky240]

sorry man, but this was my exact reaction when I saw pics: :eek2:

I'll take your :eek2: and raise you :eek2::eek2:

again, I can't help, but I must say those are some big f'ing wheels

[Zemus]

I told you on zipties... their not going to fit... sell them to me..

Just throw tires on them, streach em, and they fit on the back, it say and shows it in the post on zip tied..

[240Stilo]

Looks like 2 wheels welded together, crazy big. Maybe you can sell them to someone in the Dodge Viper crowd if they don't fit and I do believe they will not fit. But, prove me wrong anyways. :wiggle:

[rupertaker1]

That is insane.

But if you're serious, I will stick my 18x13's on my Kouki next time I'm at the shop and take some pictures. Although they have tires, they are 335s....It won't be the greatest example, but whatever.

[Bbandit]

50mm widefeders for the rear? hmmm.. I think it will still stick out a bit.
But Its going to look hot if you stretch your tires and give em some (or maybe lots of) neg camber.
as long as all of the wheels clear coilovers, you're good, You can always modify everything to make it fit.

[CoasTek240]

as long as all of the wheels clear coilovers, you're good, You can always modify everything to make it fit.
W3RD
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If you use a 50mm wide fender that will give you about 2" more to fill in, but even with those on the wheel may stick out about 1 1/2" - 2". So just run stretched tire and lots o' camber but dont give up my friend make it fit!

[wanganwonder]

. . . you HAVE to do it . . . it's not even a choice . . .

[orion::S14]

That's [email protected]#%ing rediculous.

I mean, if you want to run 315s, get a 17X11 with a reasonable offset and make them fit properly.

If you're gonna do 12" wide wheels and run a 255...WHY?

Even then, those will rub. Unless you add 4-5 degress of negative camber, then you have as little traction as a 205 tire!

I can see this for the JDM-bling-ness of it, but for any performance...?

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[/tired of a cars 'coolness' being judged on width/offset alone] - Brian

[Salty_X]

http://store3.yimg.com/I/jspec_1801_4233470

Get some of these and attach them to your 50mm overfenders. They should fit then..

[Zemus]

http://store3.yimg.com/I/jspec_1801_4233470

Get some of these and attach them to your 50mm overfenders. They should fit then..


MY FLAIRS :-D.. Yea, we made that joke before. ITS AN OVERFENDER ON THAT OVERFENDER!!

Yea, they will never fit.. send me your pay pal adress and ill take them off your hands :-D
http://img44.photobucket.com/albums/v135/S3Slide/f93aa591.jpg

IIRC that is the pics of the back of somone elses car with the same wheels, just need to put a 255 or somthing on the back, should be fine.

[mk20116]

*speechless*
:tweak: :tweak:

[BlackS14]

I agree with Orion on this one....understanding you guys like the nice flush look with a decently wide rim, but Jesus H Christ......this shit takes the cake. I personally think it's rediculous to even bother with putting them on. Taking a 12" wheel and stretching a 255 width tire on it and possibly still facing haveing to run 4 or 5 degrees of neg camber is so retarded....

Sell the wheels and buy some others with a better offset, not as wide and throw some 275 or 285 on them....it'll look 1,000 times better than what it would look like...God forbid you found some miracle way to make them fit.

I thought Henry (Nitekids) was pushing it with a 245 on a 10.5......this is by far worse...lmao!!!

*EDIT*...just re-read the first post and noticed you said you were debating on buying them. That means you haven't....then don't.......

-Bill

[Zemus]

Right, listen to all of them.... SELL THEM TO ME!!! Ill buy em for somewhat you payed for them :-D, and I know what you payed for them

Edit : Right now im running 15x8.5 -27 offset right now with 215/50/15s on em and their hardly streached..

And they will stick out 33mm more than that.. which isent that much more, and I am running those lil flairs that were just posted. Stop being babys..

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid109/pfa0644e6dfb411600e4a95b102bd03ce/f92c9428.jpg

More pics of his wheels

[theronin]

this lip thing is getting outta hand.

OMFG huge lip!!!!1!!!!!!1111 u da man cause u got huge lip and low offset!!1!!111!!1

[orion::S14]

I'm gonna go ahead and call anyone who runs these stupid sizes a ricer...

There, someone said it.

Why...well, you're doing something that will hurt performance to look cool. Ricer...

I can see a nice 17X10, +35...that would still be a little too low an offset to run god widths, but pull the fender a little, camber it in -2 or so, and run a 275...to aid in handling and help put down the power you're making.

I dunno, it's getting bad.

Flame all you like...there's a point when it goes past cool and becomes stupid. Bigger isn't always better...

Next thing you know we'll all be buying bigger and bigger wings...oh, wait.

- Brian

[Zemus]

whos says you have to run skinny wheels, and lots of camber. Im just saying if he is running a 50mm fender, he can easly run a 295 easly in rear

[orion::S14]

And 295s would fit properly on a 12" rear wheel, which should be about a +30 offset to fit as much wheel under the fender as possible...and they'll still stick out the 2" that a 50mm overfender will give you.

But we're talking about a -16 offset...! 2 more inches further out than needed to fit I'd bet.

I'm just saying that it's not proper fitment, and is chosen based on looks alone...which would be fine if it didn't hurt performance, but it does.

And the notion that lower offset makes you and your car automatically cooler is annoying...that's all.

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- Brian

[po1z5che__]

whos says you have to run skinny wheels, and lots of camber.
who also says you cant have your car bright green with a ridiculus spoiler.
this lip thing IS getting out of hand :blah:

[theronin]

i think orion and i are reading each others minds

[Zemus]

And 295s would fit properly on a 12" rear wheel, which should be about a +30 offset to fit as much wheel under the fender as possible...and they'll still stick out the 2" that a 50mm overfender will give you.

But we're talking about a -16 offset...! 2 more inches further out than needed to fit I'd bet.

I'm just saying that it's not proper fitment, and is chosen based on looks alone...which would be fine if it didn't hurt performance, but it does.

And the notion that lower offset makes you and your car automatically cooler is annoying...that's all.

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- Brian

First off, do you really think a 18x12 +30 offset would fit... wait.. no it wont. IT WILL RUB. Second, you think low or neg offsets hurt performance or do nothing for it, its called a wider wheel base. If we are talking 18x12 +30 compare to 18x12 -16 w are talking 46mm more track in the back, on EACH SIDE. Im not go with mm and such, but thats I would say easly 2 inchs on each side, making the track an extra 4 inchs wider on the overall back. I mean you would rub if it was a +30, im sure you could get away with 18x12 0- +10, but im almost possative that +10 would rub on coilovers. Personaly id rock 50mm fenders for these, and they would fit fine. Like I said in my other post, I run 15x8.5 -27 right now with a 25mm overfender, with a lil bit of camber, and they work GREAT, so if a 18x12 -16 offset would stick out 33mm more than a 15x8.5 -27 offset and im added 25mm to my flair basicly, it wont be a big deal if they stick out 8mm more.. Im sick of people bashing on low offsets cuz they look ghetto, IMO its a nice way to improve some handling with a wider track.

[BlackS14]

I personally am not bashing low offset wheels as a whole, but -16.....damn.

In the end it's to each his own (goes the saying), but just a little too aggressive for myself. Hell, right now I'm trying to figure out decent widths and offsets on a set of SSR Prof SP1's that will yeild me having a decent lip (not overkill), nice tire out back (275 or so), and not have to run crazy neg camber and pulling the rears too much....

Hey, Brian....might be sending you a pm here shortyl in regards to this...see whatya think....

-Bill

[MakotoS13]

if you can fit 12 inches of contact patch under each rear fender without anything protruding i say go for it in any way you can. get the 50mm molded fenders and mold the overfenders to em so that they look like on piece. the car may look a bnit odd but... so would a C5R cruising on the street.

improvise that shizzle, man. contact patch is where its at.

[orion::S14]

My 9", +25 rears have about 1.5" more clearance towards the coilover...so add 1.5" to each side of the wheel to get a 12" width, same offset...and it'll fit...maybe...hehe.

Maybe +30 is a stretch, but I could almost guarantee that a +20 would.

See here:

http://home.thirdage.com/Computing/project180/02Rear18x12.jpg

It's not real clear, but see how much the coilover is leaning in...and how the top of the wheel would be about ~2" away from it.

And...you are right about the wider track...but if you have to lean it in with -4 camber to fit, you reduce the contact patch such that you have less overall grip. So wider track with less contact patch = no better handling (but that's been pointed out already).

I'm really not trying to get into an argument about this, I'm just ranting about the rediculous level this offset/lip thing has gotten to...

To each his own, and that's cool...but for me, "function over form". If you really need a 12" rear wheel, make it fit the car properly, and run a reasonable tire on it. My .02...

We can agree to disagree on this...

- Brian