Am I insane? I think I've gone insane.

[bataangpinoy]

:picardfp:

Consolidated the receipts over the past 2 seasons into an excel workbook and made it reflect the project budget, total to date, and remaining budget for my current s13 coupe. Some stuff got carried over from my last coupe, but most of it is new.

The workbook does NOT include:
Alignments
Street pads/rotors, thermostats, fluids and other basic maintenance.
Wheels & Tires
Cost of the shell
Cost of my bricks, hood and front bumper because they came with the shell
Tires consumed during/oil changes after an event.

Note: The formulas were adjusted to exclude the price of my new helmet.

Ugh. This hobby is bad for my health, 11k of junk into an old s-chassis. Stupid cars. /drunkrant

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[e1_griego]

lol only $10k?

sheeeeit.

[CrimsonRockett]

lol only $10k?

sheeeeit.

Seriously.

I can name just a handful of parts on my S13 that add up to more than $10k.

[bataangpinoy]

lol only $10k?

sheeeeit.

Seriously.

I can name just a handful of parts on my S13 that add up to more than $10k.

I thought I was doing OK on keeping it under 5k... but I doubled that in one season!! 11k in one season! And I have nothing to show for it. Its not like I have anything fancy in there either...

[ixfxi]

<---------- could have bought a GTR (that is, if i wanted an automatic)

[bataangpinoy]

I could have had a decent s2000...

[blkvrtswp]

I'm right there with you, buddy! My advice is to never make a full list like that.....

There is only one thing to do when you dump so much into a car - trade with some other fool who did the same thing!

I mean, you could wave $12k in front of my face and I still would not sell you my 'vert.

[OBEEWON]

Never add up your auto spending.

[Skilz10179]

I spent about 15 on my car in 2014, makes my head spin...

[simmode1]

I could have had a decent s2000...

I think about this ALL THE TIME. Everyday, I see less point in modding an S-Chassis when there are a number of cars 10+ years newer available for the cost that it takes to make a 240 decent. I mean, cars that could keep most ppl happy in bonestock form, at least for a little while... You're almost knocking on the door of turbo BMW money, too.

[!Zar!]

Lol @ Grip Royal steering wheel.

[slideslidegnarslide]

Don't feel bad. I'm up around 10k and still need paint tune alignment and some odds and ends. All said and done I'm sure I'll be close to 15k and the car really isn't that cool

[KiLLeR2001]

Never add up your auto spending.

This.

You can kinda ballpark and add things around, but when you bust out the excel spreadsheet; you are treading on dangerous waters. I'm sitting around $20k into my car that is currently nothing but a shell. If I created an excel sheet like you just did it would probably be much worse than my $20k estimate. Ain't nobody got time for that!

[Levan. B]

I've spent more than that for just paint on my two cars. Lol. It does suck.

[Trinidrift3]

Don't tell the lady, she'll beat yo ass black and blue!

[angel mkiv]

Dam in just the past 2 years I've spent well over 25k into mine..and it doesn't even run..I've been wanting to add up everything and get a actual number but I'm scared on how it will change me..

[claine650]

Couple K in the last week, that's just to start bringing the car back from cheap street and Jerry rig Avenue The PO drove down.
nothing compared to the ballers and big money makers around. All about priorities, as long as spending on your hobby and passion doesn't hurt loved ones I'd say keep on spending baby!..... and drinking.... [emoji4]

[simmode1]

I dunno about all this out of control spending. I got into 240's because you used to not be able to beat their bang for your buck bargain basement performance potential. But now, all the cars we used to set as our 240 builds performance benchmarks have decreased in price to the point that buying them might actually be cheaper & more enjoyable than building a mild 240. IMO, the new bang for your buck performance kings are the S2000 & E36 M3. A $10k 240 MIGHT be able to keep up with them in stock form, but it's doubtful if that 240 will be much to look at. But when you throw a turbo on those two... dear god... watch out. Factory forged engine internals & modern/track ready chassis for under $10k...

[slideslidegnarslide]

^^ this I've been highly considering backing out of the s chassis world and getting into to a more modern chassis. But I love it and I've spent over a year sourcing parts from literally all over the world. Idk if I can just cut ties with it

[bataangpinoy]

Lol @ Grip Royal steering wheel.

Yea, I'm getting over it.
I'm trying to find a Nardi Gara with the horn pad, but its like pulling teeth.

It'll have to do for now though.

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[iRONDONkey]

really dumb decisions lol

11k is a good amount to invest and make you more money.

[bataangpinoy]

Don't feel bad. I'm up around 10k and still need paint tune alignment and some odds and ends. All said and done I'm sure I'll be close to 15k and the car really isn't that cool

I dunno about all this out of control spending. I got into 240's because you used to not be able to beat their bang for your buck bargain basement performance potential. But now, all the cars we used to set as our 240 builds performance benchmarks have decreased in price to the point that buying them might actually be cheaper & more enjoyable than building a mild 240. IMO, the new bang for your buck performance kings are the S2000 & E36 M3. A $10k 240 MIGHT be able to keep up with them in stock form, but it's doubtful if that 240 will be much to look at. But when you throw a turbo on those two... dear god... watch out. Factory forged engine internals & modern/track ready chassis for under $10k...


Bingo.. just under 13k all said and done. and its not like I have a car with crazy, baller, over the top stuff.

If only I had the bank roll... Ohlins Coilovers on both cars, P-Fc and tune for the s13, KMS standalone and carbon airbox to open the ITB's on my e30..

And then I'm still stuck with a pair of 22+ y/o cars that are way outdated as far as motorsport is concerned.

[SaUcEy]

Yea... I have a similar parts list. Its awesome to keep track of everything, I just dont write down the prices... lolol

[bataangpinoy]

really dumb decisions lol

11k is a good amount to invest and make you more money.

bruh thats what motivated me to track my expenses. If i had the money combined from both cars, I would have done well in the market.. and have money in a Roth IRA..

[OBEEWON]

Yeah, but you can't drift a Roth IRA.

[dluevanos01]

lol only $10k?

sheeeeit.
:keke::keke::keke: lol

Dam in just the past 2 years I've spent well over 25k into mine..and it doesn't even run..I've been wanting to add up everything and get a actual number but I'm scared on how it will change me..

my advise is don't do it unless you absolutely have to. I did it to calculate an amount to add to my insurance policy and had to show proof of receipts. Long story short I haven't bought anything for my car in two months lol

[NoFlex]

ive spent about $10k withing the last 18 months into my vert.

[dontxploitme]

my buddy spent $10k in about 3 months on his car lol

[Bushido]

nevermind the dollars wasted.

how about the 12 years i've wasted on zilvia...

[angel mkiv]

nevermind the dollars wasted.

how about the 12 years i've wasted on zilvia...

Dammm...that's deep.

[iRONDONkey]

Yeah, but you can't drift a Roth IRA.

yeah... but being financially free >>> drifting.

financial freedom = doing whatever you want= drifting.

nevermind the dollars wasted.

how about the 12 years i've wasted on zilvia...

damn..... DEEEEEP.

i wonder about the older crowd sometimes..
they are late into their 30's and still driving these poverty cars.

if they want to upgrade, they get into a 100k car, something like a GTR.... but people are daily-ing 100k cars now a days.

hell there are lambo owners that are under 30. if you're buying one under 30, then said person has to be a multi-millionaire, at least.

12 years is a LONGGGGG time to make the right investments.

[Almighty So]

eh it's not like you dropped $10k cash on this thing. shit adds up over time.
sure if you had that much in cash at one time you'd probably buy something cooler but that's not the case.

[!Zar!]

i wonder about the older crowd sometimes..
they are late into their 30's and still driving these poverty cars.

if they want to upgrade, they get into a 100k car, something like a GTR.... but people are daily-ing 100k cars now a days.

1. Who says they still have their S-chassis.

2. Who said anything about daily driving an S-chassis. Most of us have more than one car.

[e1_griego]

I still daily one of my two s13s, but I do have another car as well.

Most people I see are financing expensive cars (and then modding cars they don't own outright), and I'm still content with sinking money into a $3k 240 and owning it, and it not really depreciating any more. I try to subsidize my car building by selling cars and parts on the side so I'm not out of pocket near as much as I used to be. And mortgage and life expenses exist now, which means a 240 is still budget friendly to play with.

Plus, it's fun. And pretty much everything on a 240 is liquid if I needed to cash out.

Cars aren't any sort of good investment at this level, and the friends I've made over the last 10 years make it worth it to me.

[iRONDONkey]

1. Who says they still have their S-chassis.

2. Who said anything about daily driving an S-chassis. Most of us have more than one car.
my favorite part is when you missed out on reading "i wonder"

I still daily one of my two s13s, but I do have another car as well.

Most people I see are financing expensive cars (and then modding cars they don't own outright), and I'm still content with sinking money into a $3k 240 and owning it, and it not really depreciating any more. I try to subsidize my car building by selling cars and parts on the side so I'm not out of pocket near as much as I used to be. And mortgage and life expenses exist now, which means a 240 is still budget friendly to play with.

Plus, it's fun. And pretty much everything on a 240 is liquid if I needed to cash out.

Cars aren't any sort of good investment at this level, and the friends I've made over the last 10 years make it worth it to me.

whatever makes ya happy mane!
financing cars is a smarter decision, for some people. the most successful friends have i have hold maybe 500k credit lines with amex. their cars are bought with credit. Lol
i should probably add that they are business owners

[!Zar!]

my favorite part is when you missed out on reading "i wonder"


Not when you say a STATEMENT, and not a QUESTION. Numb-nut.


i wonder about the older crowd sometimes..
they are late into their 30's and still driving these poverty cars.

[simmode1]

i wonder about the older crowd sometimes..
they are late into their 30's and still driving these poverty cars.

if they want to upgrade, they get into a 100k car, something like a GTR.... but people are daily-ing 100k cars now a days.

You're making a lot of silly generalizations. Ppl of all ages drive cars older and with cheaper MSRP than an S-Chassis. And who the fuck upgrades straight from a 240 to a $100K car? Lottery winners? Even the most successfull of us around here might go for something less costly to daily, like a Bimmer or a smarter yet, a truck.

[STURGauto]

It's a hobby NOT an investment- just my $.0240

[OBEEWON]

yeah... but being financially free >>> drifting.

financial freedom = doing whatever you want= drifting.


True financial freedom = not relying on a fiat money system.
Not weatlh.

[SaUcEy]

Yea... I thought I would be out of the 240 scene when I bought a new 370Z. Its just a fun platform. I have waaaay more fun in a car Im not worried about damaging vs a new car I only want to push 7/10ths at the track.

Cant beat having a car like that man. Its a blast. Same reason my buddies have e36's, e26's and older 944's. Its not to impress people, its to do your own thing and have fun.

The annoying part is the 240 can actually hold more stuff than the Z... its pretty terrible as a daily to run errands in.. lol

[BossHogg]

I don't even want to add my shit up. I'm sitting close to 20k just in wheels. Already have 20k (at least) budgeted for gtr mods. I spent 5k with full race and that was just for mani turbo and two wastegates, I think the t shirt was free lol. It's best not to add the shit up. I don't even bother with wear item replacement. Those are necessary purchases. I pay cash for everything. Financing anything is stupid. The only thing I will maybe finance would be a house. But I plan on paying cash for that also when it's time for me to have a centralized home base. I travel to much for a house right now.

[BossHogg]

my favorite part is when you missed out on reading "i wonder"



whatever makes ya happy mane!
financing cars is a smarter decision, for some people. the most successful friends have i have hold maybe 500k credit lines with amex. their cars are bought with credit. Lol
i should probably add that they are business owners

It's not their car, it's the banks. They are trying to hard to look like something they are not. Not to mention over paying with interest. No thanks. You want to be a baller. You bring a bag of cash. Watch their faces.

[ixfxi]

^ yes, i agree. words of the wutang, cash rules.

however, this discussion is getting stupid due to some folks inserting their opinions on what their definition of success is. go get a loan, go stretch to finance shit thats beyond your means. apparently, owning a house in your thirties and daily driving an infiniti is so picture-esque for some of you. and for what? to blend in with the rest of the masses.

it doesnt matter what the fuck you drive, or what you own really. because in the end, you aint taking any of this shit with you... (moreso if its financed!)

some of you guys are materialistically brainwashed and are too easily impressed with pointless, shiny shit. Well, back to work! Gotta go get that new Lexus RC-F and buy a house in suburbia!

SUKKAS

[collegekid]

I'm not understanding the point of this thread? I get that you are upset. So what? My education so far in life has cost over $100,000 and I still wouldn't be able to rebuild an engine just based off of what I know. I would probably google how to do that.

There are expensive houses and there are cheap houses. You can live and survive in either one.

You spent about 10 grand on actual car parts. Many people who finance new cars will pay close to that in just interest and other financial bullshit.

Again, I still don't understand. So far it just looks like you're telling everyone your butthole is on fire because you spent money on something. It almost sounds like a girl put you in the friendzone and you're mad because you took her out to dinner.

[O$mo]

Again, I still don't understand. So far it just looks like you're telling everyone your butthole is on fire because you spent money on something. It almost sounds like a girl put you in the friendzone and you're mad because you took her out to dinner.

So true, do what you love, buy want you want, it this isn't show and tell...

[OBEEWON]

^ yes, i agree. words of the wutang, cash rules.

however, this discussion is getting stupid due to some folks inserting their opinions on what their definition of success is. go get a loan, go stretch to finance shit thats beyond your means. apparently, owning a house in your thirties and daily driving an infiniti is so picture-esque for some of you. and for what? to blend in with the rest of the masses.

it doesnt matter what the fuck you drive, or what you own really. because in the end, you aint taking any of this shit with you... (moreso if its financed!)

some of you guys are materialistically brainwashed and are too easily impressed with pointless, shiny shit. Well, back to work! Gotta go get that new Lexus RC-F and buy a house in suburbia!

SUKKAS

Truth.

Either way you are screwed so you might as well have fun.

[Ramonesfreak2010]

Only $10k? I spent $5k on a VVL head swap. Just spent $4k on a manifold and turbo. I question what the hell I'm doing almost every day. Could have had a down payment on a house or some land.

[iRONDONkey]

It's not their car, it's the banks. They are trying to hard to look like something they are not. Not to mention over paying with interest. No thanks. You want to be a baller. You bring a bag of cash. Watch their faces.

having cash tied up in a depreciating asset isn't smart in some instances.

the return of having that cash in assets to generate higher cash flow is much more beneficial, for them at least. it pays for interest many times over. Lol

[MadScientist]

I bought my 240sx for $16k in 1999.

You don't want to know the tally of parts.
But another 10k will get the car on the streets!
:rimshot:

[xiaphin]

Had 20k in mine and didn't even have aftermarket wheels. Speed=cubic dollars

[spooled240]

Look at the bright side. There are worse ways to spend your money on like high depreciation on a new car or child support to that bitch you were with that one night without a condom. Count your blessings.

I'm 26 and I don't plan on ever selling my s14. I've been down the road of financing cool stuff and I've come to realize there is something really special about having the pink slip to something you've built from the ground up.

[CrimsonRockett]

it doesnt matter what the fuck you drive, or what you own really. because in the end, you aint taking any of this shit with you... (moreso if its financed!)

some of you guys are materialistically brainwashed and are too easily impressed with pointless, shiny shit. Well, back to work! Gotta go get that new Lexus RC-F and buy a house in suburbia!

SUKKAS

Near-death experience taught me that early on. Haha.

Seriously though, seeing the RC-F every day at work...tempting.

:snoop:

[ixfxi]

having cash tied up in a depreciating asset isn't smart in some instances.

the return of having that cash in assets to generate higher cash flow is much more beneficial, for them at least. it pays for interest many times over. Lol

Thank you, Tony Robbins. I dont know what we would do without your sage advice and wisdom. I have read your books and watched your DVDs, you are up there with great minds like Tom Vu.

kzsSpDyBc_4

Some fuckin bullshitters on this forum.

[simmode1]

RC-F weighs over 4000lbs. Literally. And has the ugliest front end since the Genesis Coupe. Literally. Really, guys?

[HeyGirlHeyyy]

having cash tied up in a depreciating asset isn't smart in most* instances.

the return of having that cash in assets to generate higher cash flow is much more beneficial, for them at least. it pays for interest many times over. Lol

*fixed

Sounds like you just got done reading something by Robert Kyosaki. lol

You're not wrong though. The thing is, most of the nerds on here get offended when you point out that spending a lot of money on their cars is really stupid. But we aren't buying these old turds for financial stability...

[Matej]

Sounds like he just started high school economics class.

Modding a car is not having cash tied up in a depreciating asset. It is more like dividing a pile of cash in two halves, and setting one half on fire. Then slowly keep adding money from the other half to keep the fire going.

If you guys were smart, you would all have missile cars featured in the esteemed You're doing it wrong thread.

[OBEEWON]

My Skyline is an appreciating asset.
it also gets me this kind of asset.

http://www.billboard.com/files/media/jennifer-lopez-cover-new-wall-2014-billboard-650.jpg

[spooled240]

she's a depreciating asset though.. lol

[turbo2nr]

I dont feel so bad now after reading this thead... + 1 never add up your build expense..

[TurboTiger]

$10k isn't that bad. Consider how much an average new car will cost you nowadays and realize that wouldn't provide you with nearly as much fun as an "old" s-.chassis.

People blow $10k on way more ridiculous hobbies. At least your parts still have some resale value.

[!Zar!]

My Skyline is an appreciating asset.
it also gets me this kind of asset.

http://www.billboard.com/files/media/jennifer-lopez-cover-new-wall-2014-billboard-650.jpg

The only thing an old ass Skyline will attract is this. http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01335/ryanmain_1335257a.jpg

[JSimpson]

Dam in just the past 2 years I've spent well over 25k into mine..and it doesn't even run..I've been wanting to add up everything and get a actual number but I'm scared on how it will change me..

LOL same here, got over $40k in my SR-VE driveline and the thing doesn't even run. makes me sick but still feel the need to spend more haha

[HeyGirlHeyyy]

The only thing an old ass Skyline will attract is this. http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01335/ryanmain_1335257a.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uLVEt.gif

I always laugh at the delusional bros who say "my 240 is a panty dropper. yadda yadda." Pfft, more like boxers coated with pre.

[ixfxi]

i always laugh at delusional bros who think <insert car here> is a panty dropper

cars & money only make you a mark

you gotta have game

[Bushido]

I'll go a step further and say that I am not attracted to the type of women who would even know or care what a Skyline or 240sx is.

[heychris]

Point of fact....only thing you should think about stressing your cash for is a house...or paying off credit cards..

If that's not your game..shit man...life only happens once, enjoy it...

oh and learn how to turn an effin wrench... (not saying anyone here doesn't..just a life suggestion)

Ch

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[fatduece]

Thank you, Tony Robbins. I dont know what we would do without your sage advice and wisdom. I have read your books and watched your DVDs, you are up there with great minds like Tom Vu.

kzsSpDyBc_4

Some fuckin bullshitters on this forum.Worthy of the lulz.

[Ilya]

Unfortunately we live in a country that has severely limited our cars performance by harsh punishment to the driver making it pointless to have a car that goes 200MPH and hold 2Gs in the corners since you can only legally do 65 - 85 MPH, anything above that you will end up paying thousands of dollars. If you take a turn and your tires squeal with the wonderful sound of grip, you will be pulled over and charged with reckless driving, licence suspended, maybe jail time, so no point in having a car that grips. Our governments have failed to invest the correct amount of money into road repairs so there is no use to have a low car to drive each day. With all that limitation, the reasons to spend money on legitimate parts has gone too since you will never push your car to the limit of requiring those parts.

The more you think about it the more appealing a corolla sounds.

[heychris]

^^^^^^^Another totally mis-informed punter^^^^^^^^^^Even your understanding of physics is wrong....

FREEDOM: it's a large part of what makes America great...

You're right, there are laws to keep the masses safe...it's your choice to break them you gotta pay to play.....

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[Ilya]

^^^^^^^Another totally mis-informed punter^^^^^^^^^^Even your understanding of physics is wrong....

FREEDOM: it's a large part of what makes America great...

You're right, there are laws to keep the masses safe...it's your choice to break them you gotta pay to play.....

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....oh boy......:picardfp:

[iRONDONkey]

MURICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[iRONDONkey]

My Skyline is an appreciating asset.
it also gets me this kind of asset.

http://www.billboard.com/files/media/jennifer-lopez-cover-new-wall-2014-billboard-650.jpg


wrong car bro.

http://www.inflexwetrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/IFWT_LamborghiniAventador.jpg

will get you laid. proven and backed by science.

[Highway Riding]

If your on Zilvia it is safe to assume you are insane like the rest of us:) I'm @ 13k for building a perfectly running 2jzgte powered sc300 with blown turbo's. So yea I get it... Highway will now check his checking balance to see if that other 5k I need is available yet :(

[OBEEWON]

The only thing an old ass Skyline will attract is this. http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01335/ryanmain_1335257a.jpg

wrong car bro.


will get you laid. proven and backed by science.

My Skyline has advanced suspension tunning which has been developed to bounce titties out of bras and bunn cheeks out of pantaloons.

So once I engage the pedal of the clutch fork pivot part and mash the acceleration selector foot then lady parts of reproduction nature unveil and I can insert my passion and the three of us jam on like Dave Mathews and his brethren on a Saturday night after sipping non alcoholic beverages spiked with alcohol and marijuana.

[Bushido]

on the topic of picking up broads with your motor-carriage:


VglD8xIm5Yk

[iRONDONkey]

someone go try that with their 240 or skyline and record it.

LUL

[spooled240]

Hell, I'll bet 99.9% of women wouldn't see the difference between a R32 and an old mazda protege lol

[JBB]

I have to agree with a lot of the other responses here. I have somewhere around 17 into my build and havent had a running car in 8 months. Its the name of the game

[blkvrtswp]

So once I engage the pedal of the clutch fork pivot part and mash the acceleration selector foot then lady parts of reproduction nature unveil and I can insert my passion and the three of us jam on like Dave Mathews and his brethren on a Saturday night after sipping non alcoholic beverages spiked with alcohol and marijuana.

Spam-bot reported. :keke:

Seriously, I like working on my S13. I know every freaking bolt and clip, most torque specs without looking them up and my plans stretch at least 2 years into the future on a car I have already owned for 7 years.

When people ask me 'When will it be done?' I just laugh. I'll NEVER be 'done' with it!

[ixfxi]

If you take a turn and your tires squeal with the wonderful sound of grip, you will be pulled over and charged with reckless driving, licence suspended, maybe jail time, so no point in having a car that grips.

tires that grip dont squeel, jagoff

[collegekid]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't worry too much about the time I've spent around the car, nor the money I've spent on it. I don't think of working on my car as some kind of trench warfare.

Don't be confused and think I'm romanticizing my car and writing haikus about it either.
It's just fun. That's it.



It is the way my life is structured that whenever I get some time to work on the car, it's fun.

It wouldn't be as much fun if I had no responsibilities other than to eat, sleep, shit, and work on the car. If someone had given me every part I want, and I had as much time as I want with it, then I would not have as much fun as I do now.


This is coming from a 23 year old engineering student with 5 actual hard classes, who is in the middle of helping his dads business move 5 doors down the same shopping center to a bigger store, while working 40 hours a week making shit money, and still sleeping 7-8 hours a night. There are people who work harder than me and achieve more.


Can we all stop engaging in the pissing contest? Can we stop with the cries for attention?
I'd like to just have fun while I am on this planet. There might not be an afterlife to enjoy eternally. Let's just help each other have fun before we all get married, have kids, get stuck in a 40 year mortgage, work until we are like 65 years old and die shortly after.

[Ilya]

tires that grip dont squeel, jagoff

If they are not squealing, you are not driving hard enough. :hsdance: :2f2f:

And if you are not driving hard enough, no point in having grippy tires or a car that grips. Its all a perception just like freedom

[Davetwoforty]

well, I'll shed some great insight in here. 1st off, the e36 m3 isn't your average cheap bargain car. I know, just sold mine. it was a 97 s52 cosmos black 2dr coupe. absolutely loved it, till the maintenance costs kicked in. The suspension alone set me back 2k, for starters. I've yet to dive into aftermarket parts and their labor. Joining the bmw crew, coming from a s-chassis, was quite overwhelming. But also greatest experience in my 10yrs of modding cars. Power to weight from factory, the e36 m3 is hands down best money for the buck on the market. With a tune, exhaust, muffler delete, and off the shelf bolt ons, you're looking at easily 300hp. Switch gears, the s13 let's face it, is a slow f'n turd.. lol But power to weight ratio = stupidly fast. If one purchased the s14 sr20det, got a used 2871r with all bolt ons, you're looking at price of the e36 m3 stock, except you're faster and lighter for the exact some price. Since I have deep experience in s13s, i know all well of costs and it became worth it to keep things Nissan. Hope this insight helps alittle. Feel free to ask questions or comments per conversation/thread.

[Davetwoforty]

also, purchased s13 sr20det redtop with all bolt ons w/fmic, piping, wiring etc for 2300. Then bought a super clean 92 s13 shell w/spare sr redtop for 2200. Everything paid for from the sale of the m3, and for under 5k. m3 alone cost me 5k + 2800 in "needed" maintenence , or about 8k. Lesson learned here is, knowledge & experience are what will make or break your pocket.

[bataangpinoy]

i have an s14b23 in my e30 touring (aka wagon). maintenance on a US e36m, or any US m5x/s5x is childs play in comparison lol