Attempted Ambush in Iraq (vid)

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http://ouray.cudenver.edu/~resimon/Ambush.wmv :eek3:

[ThatGuy]

Another day in paradise for my friends and brothers. :-/

[ch1873857]

geez, you can tell they were scared

[ICKY]

The one guy in the background seemed pretty calm. Yeah, i'd be freakin out too.

[mrmephistopheles]

what I wouldn't give for the opportunity to arrange some meetings with Allah.
just for a few days though. :D

[TurK]

what I wouldn't give for the opportunity to arrange some meetings with Allah.
just for a few days though. :D


wth is that supposed to mean?

[mrmephistopheles]

it means i'd like to go KILL the people trying to KILL Americans over there. And, GENERALLY, those who are trying to kill Americans are Muslim.
Not saying I want to kill all Muslims, by any means. Just those shitsticks that are trying to kill what is now a peacekeeping force in a soon-to be sovereign nation.

I should've been more clear about that. I can see how it could easily be misinterpreted. Appy-polly-logies.

[Bill Roberts]

I did not see anything unclear with MRMPH post. I agree with him and would be happy to do the same. I wish we were not turning into a nation of pussies.

The garbage that is going on with the politically crowd would have gotten them all sent to prison for treason during WWII.

It is either stand up or stand down.

[ThatGuy]

I'm with ya' Meph. Just let me know where to meet you. I've got a few toys I've been wanting to try out. :D

[ICKY]

I did not see anything unclear with MRMPH post. I agree with him and would be happy to do the same. I wish we were not turning into a nation of pussies.

The garbage that is going on with the politically crowd would have gotten them all sent to prison for treason during WWII.

It is either stand up or stand down.

:werd: I totally agree with you Bill :bowdown:

[tsunami0ne]

No one's stopping you from going there and killing them. Go ahead. Go to Iraq and fight. Be a man.

[mrmephistopheles]

Oh, I'm already a man.. I don't need to prove it to anyone.
Besides, someone is keeping me from going over there - my daughter and wife. They're more important to me than anything else.

[cali240sxdrifter]

my broken arm with a metal rod in my elbow is keeping me from going. The airforce doesn't allow it.

[ThatGuy]

I'd be there right now, but my Squadron is still in it's test and evaluation phase. I have plenty of friends and "brothers" there. I would give anything to be along side them. Not because I have anything to prove, just because it's my job, and I take pride in it.

[kanekz]

This clip just makes me think how any of OUR lives....can be destroyed in a few seconds. Any time anywhere.

[0kami]

Oh, I'm already a man.. I don't need to prove it to anyone.
Besides, someone is keeping me from going over there - my daughter and wife. They're more important to me than anything else.

for a man with such high responsibility as you say, your little comment sure does show your true colors. Oh and I can see how EASILY this can be misinterpreted also. :rolleyes:

I took offence in what you stated above, and what I hate the most is when people try to say sorry after saying ignorant shit like that, which leaves me with one conclusion " lets think before we open our mouths " ...but...your a mod, :bowdown: so its your show, and either way, freedom of speech right? so :gives: lets just ram everything up some ones ass for being Muslim.

btw - feel free to ban me for standing up for what i belive in too bro, its no biggy.

[mrmephistopheles]

Sorry.. I didn't know I wasn't allowed to express my opinion, no matter how it made someone feel.
I never claimed to have 'high responsibility'. I stay at home and take care of my daughter, and I begin college classes in a few weeks. I agree that my comment show my true colors. I have love for my country, and I care about the lives of its inhabitants (including yours). I also stated how my first comment COULD be misinterpreted, so I clarified it!
Now, I'm getting a little confused, so maybe you could help me out. You quoted me saying I'm already a man, etc etc. and you say 'I took offence in what you stated above..' Why would you take offense to me saying I'm a man and care about my family? That makes no sense.
Now, if you were saying you took offense to my first comment, hey, I could understand that. That's why I clarified it with my second post.
Now, let me clarify something: when I said Appy-polly-logies (apologies), I wasn't apologizing for my statement. I was apologizing for the confusion caused by my lack of clarification. Either way, I'll freely admit to saying/writing something before I've fully thought it through. This, however, was not the case today.
As far as your acknowledgement that I'm a moderator, let me explain something.. When I participate in a debate or enter my opinion on a matter, I'm not doing it as a moderator. I'm doing it as Kevin Pratt.
This is not my 'show'. This forum and the server it's on belong to Mark West, whom I happen to be friends with. If he so chose, he could make me a regular user again or even ban me, whatever he wants. Ultimately, however I feel about his actions, I'll respect his decision because it's HIS forum. Not mine.
On the matter of freedom of speech, I believe you have the wrong impression of me. Perhaps my views could best be expressed in a quotation of Voltaire's:
I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it.
I believe in freedom of speech, even when I don't agree with what someone has to say.
I never said 'lets just ram everything up some ones ass for being Muslim'. You did.
I said I'd like to kill the people who are trying to kill Americans. It's a FACT that most of them are Muslims. I just decided to say what I felt in a crafty way (meeting with Allah). I could not care less that they're Muslim! They could be Baptist or Catholic or Methodist, or green and purple polka-dotted for all I care. Religion is not the factor here. Motivation to kill IS. I was simply making a generalization that the majority of those motivated to try & kill Americans are Muslim.

I'm not going to ban you for speaking your mind. This isn't 1984.

Don't take what people say so personally. It's not like I said 'I hate Muslims and want to kill them all', or 'I want to kill 0kami because he's xxxxx or yyyy'. That's ignorant to assume I would feel that way or am somehow making an underlying statement to that effect.
I made a statement and clarified it, and at the same time apologized for the lack of clarification in the first place.
Feel free to think what you want of me. It won't change how I treat you.

[West]

This is not my 'show'. This forum and the server it's on belong to Mark West, whom I happen to be friends with. If he so chose, he could make me a regular user again or even ban me, whatever he wants. Ultimately, however I feel about his actions, I'll respect his decision because it's HIS forum. Not mine.


Ya, I think I wll ban you now. Just because you're such a ubber A-Hole.

:bigok:

[mrmephistopheles]

sounds good! Now i'll have more time to whore up Boostaholic!

[airsoft]

"Lets get back to fuking base is what we need to do"

[ankyle62]

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNDkyMTc1NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg here is a pic from another forum. supposedly this is the truck.

[cali240sxdrifter]

wow, from the video you just hear gun fire, but I thought it was from the HumV's firing back. Crazy shit, blackhawk down style too

[Replicant_S14]

btw - feel free to ban me for standing up for what i belive in too bro, its no biggy.

How magnanimous of you to martyr yourself for the cause . :jerkit:

[0kami]

How magnanimous of you to martyr yourself for the cause . :jerkit:

.......... :rofl:

[bing]

this may be inappropriate but if i didnt have so much to live for i would go over there too... except that i would take the radical side....

yeah you read it right.

shock and awe made me wanna puke...

[airsoft]

Many times do i hear " aren't you glad you didn't join the Marines... " (4 years ago)

I had a slip disc injury at L4 and L5 2 weeks before shipping out. scored 92 on the ASVAB and signed up for 0311 hopefully to get into 0331.

I'm still going, I didn't get surgery so im healing naturally doing lots of painful stretches and therapy.

Almost done with college and ill be applying for OCS. =]

Someones gotta do the job. and im willing to woot. !!

[ThatGuy]

Good luck with the healing process, and good luck in OCS. People question me on a daily basis, "Why the Marines?", and more recently, "Why the Osprey?" You get used to it after awhile. I've been here for 6 years now, and don't plan on leaving anythime soon.

[ankyle62]

people keep saying the same thing to me, but im not going 0311, im doign aviation electronics. i leave for boot camp in sept.

[ThatGuy]

Avionics, that's what I do. Good job, good opportunities in the outside world as well. Look me up on AIM if you have any questions.

[airsoft]

my ambition is to be recon, but from what I hear you can't have an officers rank... so that knocks me out of that boat. if im wrong correct me.

[ThatGuy]

Hmmm, well RECON has officers that are over-seeing everything, so I'm not sure about not allowed. However, most times there are not many open slots for officers anywhere on the Infantry side, so that may be what they're talking about. I recently had one of my Marines go through RECON school, he dropped out 3 days before the final cut. He decided it wasn't for him. He is 33 now and RECON likes a 10 year commitment. He didn't want to be in his 40's crawling through a swamp somewhere with 100lb pack on his back (pussy). He also didn't like the thought of killing. I told him before he left what RECON was about, but it just didn't sink in till he was there. Oh well, he is back to being an Engine Mech. and I got his Ka-Bar. Good luck with whatever you decide, and don't trust recruiters. :D

[240meowth]

they told me people live in sand there, it looks pretty nice? why are we in war with them again?

[Black240sx]

what I wouldn't give for the opportunity to arrange some meetings with Allah.
just for a few days though. :D


I didnt read the whole thread but just a few posts..


but by far this was the most ignorant and stupid post in the history of posts..


I am in no way trying to say that any other religion is better.. I never do and never will!

because to me all religions are the same...

OH, haha.. just to let you in on something... the word "Allah" is the same word you call "God"

so you can go ahead and set up a meeting with God and let him/her know how you feel! :goyou:

bahahaha... yes freedom of speech is a great thing about this country... but you also run the risk of putting your foot in the mouth and sowing people what an ignorant fuck you are!!

What is going on over there is a tragidy.... We are getting killed and we are killing out there..

What you don't see is the videos of US killing and ambushing THEM! do we?? maybe we do but not enough...

oh and you gotta think... WE INVADED THEIR COUNTRY! they didn't come into our land and take it over...

so they do have a right to be pissed off!

I am not condoning the way they are fighting... I am not saying that whay theya re doing is right... but I am not condoning what we are doing either...

WAR is basically "survival of the fittest" kind of thing... We have the technology, equipment, advanced weaponry... they have .. well... barely anything...

but anyways... it is pointless to argue with someone who can't really comprehend something that is bigger than what they normally know off...

[420sx]

yea lets not get started on this subject, because im just gonna bring my flamethrower to the party.

enough with ignorent views spawned by america's propaganda machine CNN, FOX and etc spoonfed by the government and restricted in what they can and CANT say (if you dont undrestand look at constutition under mass media, alot to do with "trying to cause unrest and "false" information"). it all looks like is going great. what you dont see is civilians geting killed daily. yea...... and talk about having reasons to attack Iraq? why?

reasons, none but unjust:
1) Bush had to "do something" after 9/11 otherwise loosing points.

2) thus gains points opening war front in Iraq,

3) Saddam had shit to do with Alka-eda(sp) nor with WMD. maybe 12 years ago, but not since the country being sooo isolated and imbargoed for more than 10 years....

4) Watch how things gonna go after elections. whats going on right now is the puppet and the puppeteer. those iraqies in the new government are on a big payroll. hey, as long as the money is coming and the oil is flowing back to the states its all good and dandy, right?

5) lets see.... the most important part, 9/11 causes stalling in Economy. war=boost. lets see..... hmmm.... WE WILL BRING OIL PRICES DOWN AND SPIKE ECONOMY. damn im good! yea.

well after all Mr. Bush, that didnt turn out that perfect of a plan, right?

[kazuo]

Ignorance on the part of Americans in general leads them to believe "Allah" is some sort of "Arab" version of Buddha or something.

"Allah" is the Arabic word for "God"

Muslims believe in the same God as Jews, Catholics/Christians and so on. (Well, unless you worship Jesus, then they don't, cus Muslims don't believe Jesus = God, to Muslims Jesus = Prophet)

Anyway yeah. Carry on.

[mrmephistopheles]

After a few minutes of internal debate, I've decided to respond to your post.

I didnt read the whole thread but just a few posts..
but by far this was the most ignorant and stupid post in the history of posts..


This is VERY obvious, because if you HAD read the whole thread, you'd have read my clarification of that statement. You want to talk trash about people being ignorant, and yet YOU are the one who is responding to a thread without having read it all. I suppose that's ok. I'll call Ebert & Roeper and let them know they only have to watch the first 25 minutes of movies they review.


I am in no way trying to say that any other religion is better.. I never do and never will!
because to me all religions are the same...
OH, haha.. just to let you in on something... the word "Allah" is the same word you call "God"
so you can go ahead and set up a meeting with God and let him/her know how you feel! :goyou:

That's good. Go You. Personally, I don't believe in god. It's not a fact I regularly make public, but I feel in this case, it's appropriate. It's not that I believe there IS no god, I just don't feel there's adequate proof of a higher being. Remember, kids - agnostic, not atheist.
For all I'm concerned it their name for god could be Joe, and I'd still say 'set up a meeting with Joe'. Let me reiterate (which I might not have to, had you bothered to read the thread) that this is NOT AN ISSUE OF RELIGION

bahahaha... yes freedom of speech is a great thing about this country... but you also run the risk of putting your foot in the mouth and sowing people what an ignorant fuck you are!!

That's the great thing about freedom of speech, though! You get to put your foot in your mouth as far as you like, just like you did! As far as showing people one's ignorance, I suggest you don't run around calling kettles black, pot.


What is going on over there is a tragidy.... We are getting killed and we are killing out there..
What you don't see is the videos of US killing and ambushing THEM! do we?? maybe we do but not enough...

I agree, it's terrible to lose lives, atragedy perhaps, especially those of non-combatants.
As far as not seeing videos of US forces killing iraqis, you're wrong. Maybe you just haven't seen them. I've seen a few. Granted, none of them would be on network news, but I didn't see that ambush video on network news.


oh and you gotta think... WE INVADED THEIR COUNTRY! they didn't come into our land and take it over...
so they do have a right to be pissed off!
I am not condoning the way they are fighting... I am not saying that whay theya re doing is right... but I am not condoning what we are doing either...

Sure, we invaded their country - not to occupy it, but to depose a terrible ruler. It's those who were put out of power by this that are pissed off. A great many Iraqi are happy to see Saddam out of power. They're upset that their normal way of life has changed drastically, but they're still happy to see Saddam gone.
You say you're not condoning their actions, but you're not condemning them, either. I'll say without hesitation that the US went about this thing the wrong way. I don't think we should have invaded like we did. Do the ends justify the means? I don't know.


WAR is basically "survival of the fittest" kind of thing... We have the technology, equipment, advanced weaponry... they have .. well... barely anything...

They had enough that we took our time strategically bombing them to eliminate threats to our personnel.


but anyways... it is pointless to argue with someone who can't really comprehend something that is bigger than what they normally know off...

I don't gather what you're trying to imply here. Are you saying I should be a policymaker or a general before I could comprehend what I'm talking about?
In my opinion, it's pointless to argue with someone who fails to listen to the other side's words. An argument is a 2-way street. Stop trying to preach in response to something that ticked you off.

[ThatGuy]

what I wouldn't give for the opportunity to arrange some meetings with Allah.
just for a few days though. :D

I didn’t read the whole thread but just a few posts..
but by far this was the most ignorant and stupid post in the history of posts..

Well then maybe you should have read the whole fucking post. You see, he did not make that comment as a racial slur, or a religious slur, or even a political statement. He made that statement for the same reasons I make statements like that. Because American Armed Forces are there fighting, and the Majority of the people they are fighting are Muslim. He's not saying all Muslims are bad, he's just saying that he would like the opportunity to arrange a meeting with Allah for them. A.K.A. he'd like to send them to see their God. If you people would stop trying to turn everything into a damn political debate, or a Religion Bashing, perhaps you would've realized that. MrMeph and I share a common thread, you see he served his country as a U.S. Marine as I do now. As Marines, Soldiers, Airmen, etc. it is not OUR decision as to who and where we fight. It is just our job to go do it. The statement was made to support the troops. I am not to say that the U.S. Government made the right or wrong choice in sending us over there, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit by and let you disgrace my fellow Marines by turning there actions against them. But go ahead and believe everything you watch on TV and read in the paper. Go ahead and listen to the politicians and reporters. Go ahead and make any comment you want about how bad the government is. Because if it wasn't for the individuals who stand up and pledge themselves to our Armed Forces, you wouldn't have those freedoms.

-END

Sergeant Barry L. Corkle
United State Marine Corps

[Replicant_S14]

Ignorance on the part of Americans in general leads them to believe "Allah" is some sort of "Arab" version of Buddha or something.

"Allah" is the Arabic word for "God"

Muslims believe in the same God as Jews, Catholics/Christians and so on. (Well, unless you worship Jesus, then they don't, cus Muslims don't believe Jesus = God, to Muslims Jesus = Prophet)

Anyway yeah. Carry on.

What does that have to do with anything? We're fighting muslims. Particularly sunni muslims. Why not call them what they are? There's nothing cool or enlightened about going out of your way to show sensitivity to one of the most intolerant, racist and misogynistic groups still left on earth. Their beef with us is that were are NOT those things as a whole and we are in their way of gaining totallitarian rule of the region.

[S14Speed997]

this may be inappropriate but if i didnt have so much to live for i would go over there too... except that i would take the radical side....

yeah you read it right.

shock and awe made me wanna puke...



thats why i hate canada

[HaLo]

lets just ram everything up some ones ass for being Muslim.



time to get my metal underwear out.... Damn, I am so happy to live in Canada.

[kazuo]

What does that have to do with anything? We're fighting muslims. Particularly sunni muslims. Why not call them what they are? There's nothing cool or enlightened about going out of your way to show sensitivity to one of the most intolerant, racist and misogynistic groups still left on earth. Their beef with us is that were are NOT those things as a whole and we are in their way of gaining totallitarian rule of the region.

What does it have to do with anything? People keep saying that Muslims are killing people in the name of "Allah," THIER God, when in fact THEIR God is the same as your (assuming you are Jewish or Christian, etc) God.

Again, this goes to show that people are just fucking ignorant.

Muslims' "beef" with "us" is NOT that "we are NOT those things as a whole."

"Their" beef with "us" is the following (mainly):

We give $3 billion dollars a year to Israel so they can illegally occupy Palestinian land and basically kill thousands of Palestinians.

And we call the Palestinians "terrorists" for resisting the occupation.

I dunno about you, but if there was some foreign army in my land, killing my people, destroying my home, and my only sources of income, leaving me with no running water or electricity, and genrally making life hell for my family and children, I'd be pretty pissed off.

Do you notice how THEY never had a problem with us until we started getting in their business?

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps that is why "they" hate us so much?

Americans are intolerant and racist too, and your comments are evidence of it.

Here's something you may not know:

Most muslims are NOT Arab; the most populous Muslim countries are in South Asia (Indonesia and Malaysia).

Are THEY also racist and intolerant? Cus they probably dislike America as much as the Arabs (which account for the least amount of Muslims overall)

In conclusion, you suck at life.

[Black240sx]

Topics like these need to be disscussed over a 12 pack and free 12 hours...

I'm not gonna be an internet thug... points are made and points are taken..

and read the whole thread. I didn't see enough clarification of the statement even in later posts.. but that's my views and opinions.. see, that's the great thing about opinions.. just like ass holes... everyone has them,


OH and as far as me beliving what I read in the papers and watch on the TV and listen to polititions and reporters............do you realise that you just just mentioned all the different ways taht we get the news???

you tell me how are we supposed to find out what is really going on???

you mean to tell me that the military is telling you guys the truth out there??

that what you see over there in the battle feild is the truth??

I admire the fact that there are people like you guys to go fight for OUR rights to live in the land of free. BUT that does not mean that I agree with eveything that our military and our government does...

Wouldn't it suck to fight for a cause that you don't know what it is???? Kill for a reason but you don't know what the reason is?


Look, I am sorry for anything that I might have said that could be taken offensive but I'll tell you what... I don't know who you guys are... I don't know you guys by names or anything..

BUT, if anyone of you are going to the National convention in Vegas... look me up.... my name is Anand... I will be at the NICO booth... we can have a friendly debate about all this.

I love to talk to people about these things, make me think harder!! haha... oh and I learn a few things too.... I don't claim to know everything... becuse I don't... there is always more to learn, even an ignorant person will teach you something if you comprihend what they are trying to say!

[420sx]

one thing you can do for yourself, get your info and news from FOREIGN independent sources. read a few of them a day( like me ) and just pick the bullshit out.

[sil80doriftu]

Hey I didn't read all of this post but if their are any of you out there wanting to do something about all the crazy liberal protesters (not all lib protesters are crazy) go to WWW.PROTESTWARRIOR.COM. These two guys started the site because they were tired of the liberal bs going unchecked. They are unique in the way they protest, it's effective (and quite funny as well). Listen to what they have to say and their method of dealing with the issues. I heard about it on FOX news and they have been featured on MTV's choose or lose. I used to spend all my net time on zilvia or surfing for car stuff now i've been so much more into politics because of protest warrior. Give it a look.

[RedlineRacer]

I did not see anything unclear with MRMPH post. I agree with him and would be happy to do the same. I wish we were not turning into a nation of pussies.

The garbage that is going on with the politically crowd would have gotten them all sent to prison for treason during WWII.

It is either stand up or stand down.

Totally agree with you man. These anti-war activist need to shut up and let out leaders handle this. This is what has made our country so strong. We show everyone we aren't just all talk.


About the muslims: Why should anyone be affended when talking about the iraqi muslims. They don't even follow Allah's teachings. Muslims are suppose to love everyone (even Jews). Doesn't look like they follow that too good. And when did palestine only belong to the arabs?

[RedlineRacer]

Picture from protestwarrior.com
http://207.234.130.239/nimages/the_sign.jpg

Thats a retarded statement. How many wars has this country faught in that haven't been about those exceptions?

[mrmephistopheles]

At some point in what I was writing yesterday, I'd cut part of my statement out to put somewhere else and never found a place to put it, of course, being me, I quickly copied something else and erased what I'd written..

Here's a summation:

I don't approve of the US's invasion of Iraq, specifically the way we went about it...
I DO approve of our ultimate aim in the matter (deposing Saddam Hussein).
(part of what I was saying was responding to the statement of things being 'tragic' over there)

It's tragic that people are getting killed, but it's also tragic that Kuwaiti women and children were raped and murdered by Saddam's soldiers during their invasion of Kuwait. It's tragic that Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people. It's tragic that the players of the national soccer team lived in constant fear, knowing that if they lost a game, some of the team would be killed.
I had some other statements like this, but they escape me at this point.
In short, I'm glad Saddam is out of power and I think it should've been done long ago.. but I think we went about doing it the wrong way.

[Replicant_S14]

What does it have to do with anything? People keep saying that Muslims are killing people in the name of "Allah," THIER God, when in fact THEIR God is the same as your (assuming you are Jewish or Christian, etc) God.

Again, this goes to show that people are just fucking ignorant.

Yes. You've said that twice now. Anyone with a highschool education knows it already and I still don't understand why it matters. Are you saying that because muslims pray to the same god as christians and jews we should have no quarrel with them?



"Their" beef with "us" is the following (mainly):

We give $3 billion dollars a year to Israel so they can illegally occupy Palestinian land and basically kill thousands of Palestinians.

And we call the Palestinians "terrorists" for resisting the occupation.

OK, assuming I agree with that premise, who we give money to and how much is an internal debate for us to decide. Since palestinians have a vested intrest in vilifying zionist the weight of their crying foul has to be taken with a high degree of cynicism. You can argue that King Faisal may have made a mistake, but the situation today is what it is.



Did it ever occur to you that perhaps that is why "they" hate us so much?

My 2 year old nephew hated me the other day because I didn't give him candy. I didn't lose any sleep over that either.



Americans are intolerant and racist too, and your comments are evidence of it.

In conclusion, you suck at life.


aaahhhhh... there we go. Now we're at the meat of it. Your intolerance of my intolerance is making me intolerant. ;)
BTW- by definition I would be a culturalist (if there were such a word).