what hondatech thinks of drifting...

[Dutchmalmiss]

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=922039


interesting....

[TurK]

Haha damn Ricers!!!! They have no idea what Drifting is cuz fast and furious 3 hadnt came out yet...........


:ghey:

[MakotoS13]

pretty sure this is a repost, man. now you're gonna get 2 pages of morons like me telling you that :)

[aznpoopy]

hondatech isn't all ricers. i know a few people on there that are really into HPDE. i feel bad for the more serious ppl on there... they put up with alot of bullshit (as you can see from the thread).

[Phlip]

*singing*
"pissing in the wind"

[pruto]

the funny thing is, its a bunch of honda guys making fun of drifting. mmm... kay... hondas... mostly fwd... can't drift... wow, i've seen this one before. *sigh*

[Mr. Badlose]

They're just mad that they aren't bandwagon material anymore.

[Drift101]

well.. its good they don't like it.... keeps those dumbasses on that side of the fence, we wouldn't want dumbasses like those to be into drifting anyways.....

[Bbandit]

Sometimes, I agree with their opinions...
But to me, its all about having fun, this applies to all kinds of motorsports.
#1 Having fun
#2 Learning
#3 meeting new people
#4 talk smack with each other (especially in autoXes) :)
#5 Having fun

[rps13_fastback]

not all of "them" are like that so don't be so stereotypical!

not all honda drivers are ricers :mepoke:

<-- former honda driver as i bet many of you are too

[AKADriver]

<-- Honda-Tech member here, too, and I did briefly own a 6th gen CX. I'm just in for the road race/autocross forum, though. Yeah, Honda guys are all clueless ricers... which is why they have their own serious wheel to wheel road racing series (http://www.hondachallenge.com/), and we don't, right?

It seems like a pretty civil and on-point discussion with the exception of the inevitable "rice this, rice that" BS. Everyone is so quick to call everything rice. It's so goddamned annoying. Oh, drifting is rice. Oh, but Hondas are rice. Fuck rice. Do what you like with your car.

[TurK]

yeah it is a good thing they think Drifting is gay =)

[mk20116]

*whew* 9 pages of people arguing about drifting and what's faster. grip or drift. hmm.. can't comment just saw flames. although it seems that everybody who was arguing(?) about drifting was getting owned.

anybody have that picture of that quote that goes "even if you win an argument on the net you're still retarded"..(or something like that).

[nightwalker]

annoying read.

I'm still a Honda guy, just not fond of that HondaTech board. What's happening to the 240 now, is what happened to Hondas back in the late 90s. There are still an abundance of old skool Honda guys, but they are completely run over by the idiots.

Oh well.

[TRUENOCOUPE]

Most of them are pissed off cause Drifting is getting attn: than ever.

[ICKY]

I still have yet to meet a cool honda guy. All the ones i know are wanna-be badasses. I'm pretty sure there are some cool honda guys out there, but i havnt met ONE.

[old_s13]

FWD cars are designed wrong from the get-go, they run with their hands and have all their weight up front. Lets analyze the scenerio, we have a community filled with FWD car enthusiasts talking about drifting (which tends to be a RWD sport).

So, you can basically take ALL of the posts there and hit "delete, are you sure? YES." The only FWD "racer" I would ever listen to is that guy driving the stripped out Civic Hatch in Japan that is fully raced out and he's sliding the car all over the track. Why? Because this guy's balls are SO big, he goes against ALL laws of physics and doesnt talk, he DOES.

I mean seriously, the reality is.. it doesnt matter if you're FWD, RWD, AWD, as long as you know what the fuck you are doing behind the wheel and can setup your car to do what you want it to do -- you are badassed. People who own RWD cars and think they qualify as "badass drift specialists" can also suck a nut. Walk the walk, dont talk it.

[Var]

Half of those guys think that drifter consider what they are doing as "racing"

No we're not racing, but it's still a fun motorsport. And besides, road racing is only cool when everyone has identical cars.

[kdv20]

I have a Honda and I have a Nissan. I like both of them for different reasons. My Honda has run a 12.7 1/4 mile on 6psi of boost. My Nissan will be faster, but the Nissan will be good at the drag strip and the road course. Cars do not come from the factory "riced out" people make um that way. The gayness of the car is proportional to the owner’s gayness, regardless of the cars manufacture. When I started playing with import cars over 10 years ago all I cared about was beating domestic V8s. I think the whole import community would be served best by just hating on domestic cars. Hell look what GM and Dodge did to import drag racing, sorry "sport compact" drag racing. GM all ready has a drift car, they will come in with a huge budget and take the fun out of it for Joe average. All in the name of get a share of the "youth tuner market". Look at a "tuner" TV show some time this is how the out side world see this community. Personally I think it is sad. Drifting is neat to watch, but I could never be a competitor in drifting. I need to be timed not jugged.

[kdv20]

road racing is only cool when everyone has identical cars.


So you like NASCAR then.

[sykikchimp]

yeah.. b/c NASCAR is the only series where everyone has identical cars!!! lol

just about EVERY series has rules designed specifically to level the playing field.

see sig..

[sykikchimp]

*singing*
"pissing in the wind"

best post ever...

[Var]

So you like NASCAR then.


i hate nascar..actually i like the cars but i dont like the oval course thing. even FWD classes are hella fun. A guy i know is racing an 80's VW in a class where everyone's car is identical. Same springs and shocks, all stock engine with the same tires. It's more fun this way.


I think the whole import community would be served best by just hating on domestic cars. Hell look what GM and Dodge did to import drag racing, sorry "sport compact" drag racing. GM all ready has a drift car, they will come in with a huge budget and take the fun out of it for Joe average. All in the name of get a share of the "youth tuner market". Look at a "tuner" TV show some time this is how the out side world see this community. Personally I think it is sad. Drifting is neat to watch, but I could never be a competitor in drifting. I need to be timed not jugged.



Nothing is served best by hating. Chrysler did the right thing by building the SRT-4 cause i'm tired of people running 14's in their honda's thinking it's fast. Plus they took advantage of an ignorant demographic by making money on them, but at the same time gave them a good car to run with. If you like to have a slow drag car(slower than 11's) that other people will think is fast, then this is the car to have. I'm glad it took the fun out of it for the average joe, because if the fun was in modifying your car rather than learning how to drive it better then i dont feel bad for you. Plus they already riced it out from the factory but i bet people will find a way to mess up the looks(i'm one of the few who dont think the srt-4 is ugly)

Now like i said before someone needs to serve us a car we want. Who will build the lightweight turbocharged RWD stiff chassis stiff suspension drift car for less than 25K from the factory? Someone please..i dont care how ugly it is.

[G_Fish240]

http://free.inkfrog.com/pix/gfish/emthup.gif

[G_Fish240]

Who will build the lightweight turbocharged RWD stiff chassis stiff suspension drift car for less than 25K from the factory? Someone please..i dont care how ugly it is.

in 2 or 3 years, used mazada speed miatas

[AKADriver]

So, you can basically take ALL of the posts there and hit "delete, are you sure? YES." The only FWD "racer" I would ever listen to is that guy driving the stripped out Civic Hatch in Japan that is fully raced out and he's sliding the car all over the track. Why? Because this guy's balls are SO big, he goes against ALL laws of physics and doesnt talk, he DOES.

.RJ and Evil Drew M on that forum are that guy, except they're here on the east coast. I've watched those guys race in person. They get in the cars and race weekend after weekend. It's not defying the laws of physics unless you're a closed minded fool...

FWD is actually fastest with about 60-65% of the weight over the front wheels. If you made an FF car 50/50 it wouldn't corner for shit. They're supposed to be nose heavy... wrap your mind around that!

[MakotoS13]

s, road racing is only cool when everyone has identical cars.


i love watching jaguars pitted against porsches, vettes stomping mustangs, and other high end companies putting pilots in beautiful machines that i'd give my right nut to drive. the variation and the fact that they try to keep em all pretty level is what makes it so awesome. on some tracks the porsches really shine, on others the C5R's murderize fools... it is a hell of alot better than NASCAR or drag racing.

[Phlip]

best post ever...
*takes a bow*
"THANK YOU, MOTHA*BLEEP*"

[zdude]

they all just want a rear wheel drive car. and they cant have one because none of us will let them, theyll just crash it right away. i hate how they all talk down on drifting when they have never done or tried it.


now dont think that i am posting cuz i think i know a lot about drifting, cuz i know i dont, i know jack shit. the only drifting i do is sliding around corners when i slam shift into second after a stop sign in the middle of no-where, and thats not even drifting, thats being a jack-ass

[Maeda]

I just had a conversation about this today.

Driftings for ricers. Remember that. The honda guys are just reminding us because they're the experts. :D

Seriously though, FF can do very well even on in a touge setting. They lose some advantage with elevation changes, but with the correct setup FF can handle. Plus they get neat little tricks like left foot braking, and ebrake nose tucks without having to put the clutch in which makes for some rwd-esque corner entrys.

Anyone play with a nicely set up EG hatch? Theres 3 around my place that can really move...

[sykikchimp]

FWD cars can most certainly handle.

I personally enjoy being able to adjust the attitude of the car with my left, and right foot.

[aznpoopy]

i'm also a bit confused about the irrational hate people have for FF.

the thread on hondatech seems to be the typical forum thread asking why everybody is crazy about drifting. ive seen it here b4 and on rx7club too. it has nothing to do with what ppl are driving, and drift bashers aren't suffering from FR envy. FR drivers bash drift too... i think its just a backlash to drift's popularity...

[old_s13]

aka> FWD is actually fastest with about 60-65% of the weight over the front wheels. If you made an FF car 50/50 it wouldn't corner for shit. They're supposed to be nose heavy... wrap your mind around that!

you mean how weight is required to keep the tires from peeling out? or, do you mean how the the front tires are not only responsible for steering, handling, but also braking.

personally, i think its ALL wrong and in every way.. hence the reason why i've never wrapped my mind around any FWD car. while i have no doubt that there are FWD cars that can perform, the reality for me is that a car has to have great balance. I dont like FF, I dont like RR -- its either FR or MR.

- Mike

[420sx]

FWD cars are designed wrong from the get-go, they run with their hands and have all their weight up front. Lets analyze the scenerio, we have a community filled with FWD car enthusiasts talking about drifting (which tends to be a RWD sport).

So, you can basically take ALL of the posts there and hit "delete, are you sure? YES." The only FWD "racer" I would ever listen to is that guy driving the stripped out Civic Hatch in Japan that is fully raced out and he's sliding the car all over the track. Why? Because this guy's balls are SO big, he goes against ALL laws of physics and doesnt talk, he DOES.

I mean seriously, the reality is.. it doesnt matter if you're FWD, RWD, AWD, as long as you know what the fuck you are doing behind the wheel and can setup your car to do what you want it to do -- you are badassed. People who own RWD cars and think they qualify as "badass drift specialists" can also suck a nut. Walk the walk, dont talk it.

cliffs notes : action talks bullshit walks

[ZK]

There are very fast cars in every catagory, it's all up to personal preference what your weapon of choice is.

I used to own a Honda and I have to say that it is one of the easiest cars to drive fast on the track, the FF drivetrain is very forgiving and the layout is so simple.

If the rear gets loose you can use the accelerator to pull you straight and you are able to get on the gas faster on corner exits. The edginess of pulling hard to the 8000+ RPM redline is awesome. :)

[Var]

i'm with you on this one. FF cars are always looked down upon because they dont have ideal weight distribution and the front wheels are doing all the work. But bottom line is they can easily outhandle other cars because they are usually lighter and can produce tons of front grip with the right setup. Regaurdless of this fact, the driving dynamics are different, which is why i prefer FR. I'd rather go slower in my FR cause i think it's more fun

[0kami]

sounds like the honda tech forum has been playing a bit too much initial d.... :squint:

[Tygma]

those guys are idiots. they dont even realize that honda makes a FR layout car that is "dRfTabLe?" w/e...

FF is really hard to control on touge roads, at least for me.. but im so used to FR.. thats probably why. I find it scary that the front does everything, brake, accelerate, carry the weight, etc etc. It's just not a good feeling.

[0kami]

those guys are idiots. they dont even realize that honda makes a FR layout car that is "dRfTabLe?" w/e...

FF is really hard to control on touge roads, at least for me.. but im so used to FR.. thats probably why. I find it scary that the front does everything, brake, accelerate, carry the weight, etc etc. It's just not a good feeling.

same here, only drove ff a few times, doesn't feel right for me...

[nightwalker]

drove a 92 integra on touge for four years. It's a bit more calming in a FF for me. Got used to see understeer, and backing away from that. Learning to see oversteer was a whole new workout.

[zdude]

used to drive a ff, it was a pos tho and handled like ass, so i never got to experience the true ff experience. but i did experience tons of understeer and tire slippage, much more than i see now on my 240.

[AKADriver]

I've been blessed by mostly only driving damn good FF cars.

My first car was a Neon with the ACR-spec suspension (it wasn't an ACR, just a Sport with the same springs and sway bars)... then I had a GTI with H&Rs and Bilsteins, and then my Protege5, and somewhere in there I had a gutted Civic hatch. Those cars were all really nicely balanced, easy to flick the back end out. Even though the GTI was really front-heavy, the H&R springs are really rear-stiff.

[toreno]

about 75% of the people here on Zilvia dont even drift and claim they are badass because they have a RWD car. Only 25% of the people here have nice cars, and the rests of you 75% of POS here. I dont know why you guys are all worked up about. Most of the kids here on Zilvia are posers. You know who you are. So why hate on hondas?

[toreno]

and yea, there are plenty of idiots on Honda-tech, but it seems like there have been a lot of idiots here on Zilvia also.

[0kami]

and yea, there are plenty of idiots on Honda-tech, but it seems like there have been a lot of idiots here on Zilvia also.

No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide. :rolleyes: -fightclub

[nightwalker]

WHAT!?!?!?! THERE are IDIOTS on ZILVIA! When did this happen??? FUCK, I'm leaving!!!

[oojpeeoo]

just too many ignorant ppl that are too lzy to do research on sumthing for themselves and bag on the stuff they they duno about

[old_s13]

I just dislike driving FWD cars...

well, how about this....

I very much dislike driving FWD cars, but moreso, in the canyons.

[ledzeppelin240]

$20.00 says that when they see the videos of the honda's out drifting (or attempting) they are treating those people like gods...I am also glad they don't appreciate drifting. Once somethig becomes a fad it is ruined untill the next fad comes along. Although a true enthusiast will not car what happens cause they are doing it because it what they want to do and enjoy, not to be cool...

[sykikchimp]

about 75% of the people here on Zilvia dont even drift and claim they are badass because they have a RWD car. Only 25% of the people here have nice cars, and the rests of you 75% of POS here. I dont know why you guys are all worked up about. Most of the kids here on Zilvia are posers. You know who you are. So why hate on hondas?

stfu poser... :blah:

[MakotoS13]

No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide. :rolleyes: -fightclub

"trapped in this clockwork of spacemonkeys" - T.D.

[MakotoS13]

about 75% of the people here on Zilvia dont even drift and claim they are badass because they have a RWD car. Only 25% of the people here have nice cars, and the rests of you 75% of POS here. I dont know why you guys are all worked up about. Most of the kids here on Zilvia are posers. You know who you are. So why hate on hondas?

what the hell would me not drifting have ANYTHING to do with the fact that i am a badass, you jDm/TytE DRFT fanboy?

[No Motiv]

i think that is the only forum where ppl argue more than ppl argue here...lol

i feel bad for the one kid who has a 240FB trying to explain stuff to those ppl nicely and truthfully and he just gets flamed!.....

I'll tell you i have a Integra and an S13.....all my driving friends all drive FR cars....or basically i hate honda assholes..and i drive a honda

[Brolewigi]

The funny thing that they dont state. For most situations the suspension and engine are set up for racing. It is just the style that is being used while racing. They are just mad because they are FF. and it is honda power.

[0kami]

The funny thing that they dont state. For most situations the suspension and engine are set up for racing. It is just the style that is being used while racing. They are just mad because they are FF. and it is honda power.

kindda like a female on her period...
it's starting to make more sense now... :eek3:

[sykikchimp]

...and I disagree with whoever said you can get on the gas earlier in FF. Not true at all. Get on the gas while your still turning, and you start to push. Get on the gas while your still turning in FR, and you turn harder.

[KiDyNomiTe]

You'll never get it until you try it, there are plenty of RWD owners who have seen vids and are all confused about why we do it, I was, until I tried it.

[that180guy]

when will this bullshit about drifting this, mad jdm tyte yo! this fucking end. its sooo fucking annoying, a post every other week about sum kinda shit.

personally, :bowdown: FR all the way but everything else gets respect, just not my preferance.

u driff, u drag, u touge battle, u circuit/road/track race, etc.......just go do your damn thing

were all car enthusist, and for the shit talkers and haters....just let them be ignorant

[nightwalker]

didn't you guys learn in kindergarten that you don't make friends by talkin shit?

[zdude]

didn't you guys learn in kindergarten that you don't make friends by talkin shit?


haha, who wants to be friends with all the jack ass cocky sons of bitches in my town that drive civics?? not me...anyway, i just dislike the popularity of civics in my town that are owned by high schoolers that drive like jack asses cuz they think their car is fast. there are a select few hondas in my town that can actually stand up for themselves, and the owners are kickass...i have nothing wrong with honda, they make great cars, its just their unlucky cheapness/affordability that high schoolers look for. poor honda, i feel sorry for them cuz they get the bad name of ricer quality...

end of rant

[420sx]

it is indeed the "Trendiness" of things that kill the passion. and about being a jack ass.... and what was that word you used..... umm.... was something descrbing people on here..... ah, yea.. - nice... well f-u-c-k you.