240sx speeds and comparisons

[keepitmovin]

Hey everyone when I get my 240 I wanna race one of my friends mustang 92' 5.0 v8 automatic. Do any of you think I have a chance with my 5 speed 240 93' exguast and intake?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> And while were on the topic how will I do agianst a 92 dx accord auto. (im pertty sure ill smoke it) And just one more can someone make a list of common cars I shouldnt even try racing basic mods or stock. Thanks guys. Peace

[my240likenoother]

smoked

[BlankFlip]

can anyone list any 4's that we should stay away from? or any 6's or 8's that we have a chance at?

[nguyen]

I don't think you should race these cars
gsr, any V8s, WRX, talon tsi, RSX, MR2, new celica GT-S
these are just the ones that I can think of

[mike95s14]

240s are slow, unless you have serious mods done, &nbsp;don't even think about drag racing on the streets. &nbsp;You will still get spanked with basic bolt ons. &nbsp;Trust me I know. &nbsp;

[nguyen]

Mike is right, not saying that the ka is a bad motor, but it wasn't made fur racing. If you think about racing it lots then you should get new cams to change the power band a bit. not that I don't like the car, I drive one.

[keepitmovin]

What about compared to a mx-6 ls v6 and what about v4. Thanks

[LanceS13]

The mx-6 would be close, but it would probably edge out a 240 with equal drivers...should be a good race.
4 bangers that will rape a 240 include ITR/GS-R, Celica GTS, Talon/Eclipse (turbo), WRX, MR2, RSX-S (we should beat the baseline), H22 Preludes...can't think of any others right now. &nbsp;Si's and base 'Tegs would give us nice close races. &nbsp;An Accord DX...please....it would have a better chance if you get out of the 240 and hopped on your bicycle. &nbsp; &nbsp;
As far as V8/V6, T-Bird LX and the mid-90's V6 stang come to mind. &nbsp;Also V6 Camaros/Firebirds. &nbsp;I'm sure there's others.
But just race them...you never know how sucky of a driver they might be...you might just pull off a victory. &nbsp;But remember...keep it safe.;)

[Archangel]

there's alot of cars faster out there, but just remember:

You can still beat 9 out of 10 civics on the road. &nbsp;:biggrin:

[Grant]

nope, mustang won hands down.

[keepitmovin]

lol got my bike ready! Thanks for the reply lance you always got good replys. Hey i got a quick question is the ca motor legal in CA. THanks

[LanceS13]

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lol got my bike ready! Thanks for the reply lance you always got good replys. Hey i got a quick question is the ca motor legal in CA. THanks </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
thanks....:)
Being from MS, I can't say for sure about legality issues of engine swaps in CA. &nbsp;But I'm almost certain that all non-factory turbo setups have to be CARB approved...and I don't think the CA or SR are CARB approved. &nbsp;Maybe someone from cali can be of more help.

[bing]

i dont care about dropping the clutch at an intersection,

i could be ANYTHING if we start at one end of the city and race to the other,

i beat a V6 firebird in a 86' crx with like 85hp, clean smoked'em,

[LanceS13]

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i could be ANYTHING if we start at one end of the city and race to the other, </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hummm...glad I don't live in your city

[konkman]

About that hole MX-6 vs. 240sx.

My mom has a 94 mx-6 v6 ls auto with a k&amp;n filter. &nbsp;I'm in a...well look below(with k&amp;n cone, exhaust, hotwires and plugs.

I took her car (my sister was driving the mazda). &nbsp;It was ver close though. &nbsp;The auto was the only thing keeping me on top.

some drivers are dumb...and well they peel like freakin crazy when they pick up and sometime they don't knwo how to switch gears right so u have some chances....and an accord DX...haha..haha and did i mention hahah....

[Speedy2k]

Would a 91 240sx beat a 91 Acura Integra GS

[ca18guy]

Yeah speedy you should be able to beat a Integra GS. Maybe someone can answer my question, can my S13 beat a 87' Dodge MiniVan stock to stock? Just wondering.

[LanceS13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Speedy2k on 11:26 am on Oct. 26, 2001
Would a 91 240sx beat a 91 Acura Integra GS
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I think the 'Teg should trail by a few tenths...so you should beat it, but you wouldn't spank it. &nbsp;If the driver is better than you, he still has a chance.

[BlankFlip]

would my 240 beat a dodge aries? after seeing the video on this site http://sr20power.com/phpBB/index.php i'm not 2 sure. u should definitely watch it if u got a fast connection, or even wait if u got a slow one. there's also a bad ass 240sx 1/4 mile run w/ a nice burn out, it's all under the video section. the dodge minivan thing just reminded me of it.

[Speedy2k]

Hmm that sucks... the Integra has 130hp and 121lb of torque. &nbsp;The 240 has 155hp and 160lb of torque.

Where does that power go?!?!?

[LanceS13]

'88 Dodge Caravan (assuming no changes from '87)
I-4: 96 hp/133 ft.lbs.
V6: 136 hp/168 ft.lbs.
curb weight: &nbsp;3351 lbs.
what do you think? :biggrin:

[LanceS13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Speedy2k on 11:51 am on Oct. 26, 2001
Hmm that sucks... the Integra has 130hp and 121lb of torque. The 240 has 155hp and 160lb of torque.

Where does that power go?!?!?
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into pulling the extra 150-200lbs the 240 has over the 'teg

[Speedy2k]

Oh I see

[BlankFlip]

how much do our cars weigh again?

[240booster]

welll i don't know about ya but i can smoke v6 camaros and mustangs all day &nbsp;stock ... but my sister's camaro can out handle my 240 neday though. But also the 240 has alot more horsepower potentail than ne &nbsp;honda integra or other smaller 4bangers ....... i saw a GS-R at nopi dyno fully modded out LMAO wouldn't register much over 200hp!!!!!

[ca18guy]

Your sisters camaro can out handle your 240 ? What did she do to her car.

[LanceS13]

about the minivan issue...this is a vid clip of a Dodge minivan running 12.722
<a href="http://webpages.krausonline.com/spaul/pauls_van.mpg" target='_blank'>http://webpages.krausonline.com/spaul/pauls_van.mpg</a>

to 240booster....Hondas are no slouch...especially the GS-R. &nbsp;It has 170hp stock. &nbsp;And it has alot more than 200hp potential. &nbsp;SCC featured one that had well over 400hp...I want to say 490hp. &nbsp;And I know of several blown Civics running 9's. &nbsp;The ITR motor has ~200hp and it's just a hopped-up GS-R motor. &nbsp;So don't be so quick to brush Honda off...there are alot of rice boys out there, but there's also a few hardcore tuners that know their stuff, too.

[mrace240sx]

You wont touch the '92 mustang V8, I raced my buddies and he smokes me everytime. Even with exhaust and intake I doubt you will win. Although I was able to slingshot myself up alongside him once and we were neck and neck. I have beaten V6 Mustangs and Camaros from a rolling start but Ive never raced one off the line. The base models on those cars are not that fast, V6 and VERY heavy. Stay away from any GT, or the Z28 and SS model camaros they will destroy you!

Have any of you actually raced a stock Celica GT-S yet?
I think a modded 240sx should be able to win, I keep trying to get one to go but havent been able too yet.
Ill post results as soon as I hunt one down.

Ive beaten 2 MX-6's from a stop now, if you drive your car right you should be able to win, depends on how far you are willing to beat on your car hehe. If you are modded and they are stock it should be no problem.

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[LanceS13]

A Celica GT-S has 180hp and only weighs about 2400 lbs. &nbsp;They have at lest 1/2 of a second on a stock 240...run sub 15.5. &nbsp;They're faster than GS-R's and GS-R's are faster than us. &nbsp;The Celica GT is a more likely match.

[mike95s14]

If you want to acheive some sort of pride in racing, go autox. &nbsp;It's addicting, and I find it better drag racing. &nbsp;I wouldn't consider drag racing on the streets unless I had around 220 or more hp. &nbsp;After I got spanked by a caddy, I finally realized this. &nbsp;And all I had was intake, header, exhaust on a 95 240sx se. &nbsp;I shifted around 5200 or so RPMs. &nbsp;My engine was roaring, but the caddy just flew by silently.

[LanceS13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from mike95s14 on 2<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8 pm on Oct. 26, 2001
If you want to acheive some sort of pride in racing, go autox. It's addicting, and I find it better drag racing. I wouldn't consider drag racing on the streets unless I had around 220 or more hp. After I got spanked by a caddy, I finally realized this. And all I had was intake, header, exhaust on a 95 240sx se. I shifted around 5200 or so RPMs. My engine was roaring, but the caddy just flew by silently. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I do agree that autoXing is alot more fun than street racing (which is 10x more dangerous) and drag racing. &nbsp;But if you do engage in a straight line battle, at least shift past the peak power point at 5600rpm. &nbsp;I/h/e will push it up further than that...maybe around 6K. &nbsp;No wonder you lost shifting at 5200rpm.

[mrace240sx]

Yea I lost to a friend of mine while he was driving his grandmas caddy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
Its embarrasing but hey, thats twice the engine of my 240sx and cost a helluva lot more money. I actually took it pretty well off the line but then it blew past me.

[BlankFlip]

that's why i'm afraid to go street racing (nothing really dangerous), it just seems like there's way 2 many cars that can take ours, i can't wait to get revenge w/ turbo.

[mike95s14]

Hmmm... &nbsp;Where does the fuel cut off? &nbsp;I don't quite remember, maybe a little past 6000? &nbsp;That's why I hesitate to shift pass 5500. &nbsp;Is it bad for the engine to shift in or near the redline even though my i/h/e let's me go past it? &nbsp;

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If you want to acheive some sort of pride in racing, go autox. It's addicting, and I find it better drag racing. I wouldn't consider drag racing on the streets unless I had around 220 or more hp. After I got spanked by a caddy, I finally realized this. And all I had was intake, header, exhaust on a 95 240sx se. I shifted around 5200 or so RPMs. My engine was roaring, but the caddy just flew by silently. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I do agree that autoXing is alot more fun than street racing (which is 10x more dangerous) and drag racing. But if you do engage in a straight line battle, at least shift past the peak power point at 5600rpm. I/h/e will push it up further than that...maybe around 6K. No wonder you lost shifting at 5200rpm.
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[LanceS13]

Dude...redline is at 6900 for S13's and 6500 for S14's. &nbsp;Fuel cutoff for S13's is at 7K...don't know for S14. &nbsp;You're shifting a good 1500rpm before redline and about 500rpm before peak power.

[msilvia]

A few random thoughts:

The Celica GT-S would straight-out kill a 240. &nbsp;They run low 15's stock and I keep reading about good drivers dipping well into the 14's with just a few basic bolt-ons.

The Celi GT would probably beat the 240 as well... it's only about 2500lbs w/ 140hp and ~133 lb-ft.

I dunno about the base RSX either. &nbsp;It's got like 160hp and 140lb-ft and I think it weighs about the same as an S13. &nbsp;I suppose a DOHC S13 would give it a good run, but the heavier S14s would probably be out of luck.

Aside from a million other reasons to not drag race like a tool on the street, you're only likely to look stupid racing a 240 (at least if you're staking your ego on it) unless you've done serious mods. &nbsp;Even aside from other sports coupes, there's a ton of cheap family haulers that could beat you. &nbsp;

Go to an autocross. &nbsp;Learn to turn. &nbsp;Then tell people mouthing off to go to the track with you, and watch what happens even if they've got a good hp advantage.

[Jeff240sx]

Well. &nbsp;You are forgetting about the most dangerous 4 cylinder ever. &nbsp;The S2000. &nbsp;
Why is it that and everybody thinks that a couple hundred pounds in the Integra LS is the main factor. &nbsp;It's not. &nbsp;If going just by the s14 weighs 2770 pounds, with 155hp, it has 1 horsepower per 17.8 pounds. &nbsp;The Integra, assuming 200 pounds less, would be 2570 pounds for 130 hp. &nbsp;This equates to 1 horsepower per 19.8 pounds. &nbsp;We have the advantage of the power:hp, but they have MUCH less driveline loss, by bieng FWD.
Standard FWD cars have 15% losses, compared to 25% for RWD cars. &nbsp;So 15% off 130 is 110.5 useable horses. &nbsp;And the 240sx, assuming 25% losses, would sit at 116.25 RWHP. &nbsp;Now is when the power to weight ratio comes in, which the integra, theoretically, would be an extremely close race, with 23.23 pounds per hp, as opposed to our 23.82.

But my point is not that weight makes a difference. &nbsp;It is the power to weight ratio. &nbsp;Followed up by our RWD's 10% more driveline losses than FWD cars. &nbsp;This makes our cars much less agressive. &nbsp;
-Jeff

[ca18guy]

I'm sorry but the power loss from front to rear drive is not that drastic. There is no 25% driveline loss, at most I would expect 20% loss out of any car, and that's at most.

[Speedy2k]

And I thought RWD is better for racing... hmmm

[ca18guy]

Speedy don't make me go on a long rant about how rwd is better then fwd, just take my word for it that you have more potential with rwd. I hope you don't think the 240sx versus a 91' Integra GS would be close. Here is the stats for both cars, I on;y have the stats for a 96' Integra GS (probably faster then a 91') but here is the comparision:

96' Integra GS
1/4 mile: &nbsp;17.0 @ 81.9mph
0-60: 9.4 seconds
140 bhp
124 lb ft

91' 240SX
1/4 mile: 16.2 @ 85.4mph
0-60: 8.3 seconds
155 bhp
160 lb ft

So your 240SX should be able to beat the Integra easily.

[LanceS13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Jeff240sx on 11:23 am on Oct. 27, 2001
Well. You are forgetting about the most dangerous 4 cylinder ever. The S2000.
Why is it that and everybody thinks that a couple hundred pounds in the Integra LS is the main factor. It's not. If going just by the s14 weighs 2770 pounds, with 155hp, it has 1 horsepower per 17.8 pounds. The Integra, assuming 200 pounds less, would be 2570 pounds for 130 hp. This equates to 1 horsepower per 19.8 pounds. We have the advantage of the power:hp, but they have MUCH less driveline loss, by bieng FWD.
Standard FWD cars have 15% losses, compared to 25% for RWD cars. So 15% off 130 is 110.5 useable horses. And the 240sx, assuming 25% losses, would sit at 116.25 RWHP. Now is when the power to weight ratio comes in, which the integra, theoretically, would be an extremely close race, with 23.23 pounds per hp, as opposed to our 23.82.

But my point is not that weight makes a difference. It is the power to weight ratio. Followed up by our RWD's 10% more driveline losses than FWD cars. This makes our cars much less agressive.
-Jeff
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close...but not quite
I think a 240 put (155fwhp) about 130hp to the ground stock and a GS-R (170fwhp) puts about 155hp to the ground stock from a few dynos I've seen. &nbsp;Based soley on those two cars, FWD has about a 9% loss while RWD has about 16% loss. &nbsp;
BTW, I did say the 130hp 'Teg should trail by a few tenths given equal drivers. &nbsp;A GS-R, however, would kill a 240.
ca18guy, the '91's were a little lighter but did have 10 less hp, so I think the times were similar. &nbsp;Both of those times seem about 2 tenths high, though. :-/

[Speedy2k]

Ok how about this <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

91 240sx vs 1996 Chrysler Intrepid ES

Intrepid ES:

214hp @ 5850
221lb @ 3100

weighs 3415lb

[zephyr]

dude...I hate to say it but youre on crack for asking that question

[Jeff240sx]

Ok. &nbsp;Unless you actually dyno your car, who the #### knows what the driveline loss is. &nbsp;But 15% and 25% are pretty common numbers in terms of &quot;how much.&quot; &nbsp;

And Keepitmovin, I'd have to say that rwd is better for racing, as the power that gets to the wheels basically stay there. &nbsp;There is not much in the way of our car's tires loosing traction accidently, but my friends Integra will peel out almost every race.
-Jeff

[240sxtreme]

if you're thinking about racing someone, check out carpoint.msn.com. &nbsp;that's what I use to look up stats.

I haven't raced much non-bracket drags, so the only thing I've beaten non-bracket is a 2nd gen Rx7 NA.
I'm pretty sure I'd beat any SI mod for mod.
I often wonder about the mx6 v6, lost to one, but he was running 75shot nitrous, so next time I come up to one, I'll run him to find out.

pretty much, look up stats on the carpoint website, and look at the HP/Torque, and the weight.

[LanceS13]

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Ok. Unless you actually dyno your car, who the #### knows what the driveline loss is. But 15% and 25% are pretty common numbers in terms of &quot;how much.&quot;
Jeff
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I think a 240 (155fwhp) puts about 130hp to the ground stock and a GS-R (170fwhp) puts about 155hp to the ground stock from a few dynos I've seen. &nbsp;Based soley on those two cars, FWD has about a 9% loss while RWD has about 16% loss. &nbsp;
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Just thought I'd point that out....25% is too much. &nbsp;Maybe not for AWD, but it is for RWD...unless a particular car has a horribly inefficient drivetrain.

[Pimpbot5000]

I don't know why everyone thinks you have to have the most tricked out car to go street racing, and if you lose a street race you'll get completely degraded or some shit like that. I go racing with my 240 (intake and exhaust) in milpitas, ca, which happens to be one of the biggest scenes in the country. If you win you win, if you lose you lose, its no big deal. People just race for fun.

Oh yeah, and about that 5.0 mustang...go ahead and race it. Any muscle car made before '96 is garbage. 5.0's run mid 15's, any slightly modified 240 would easily be an even match. Any any F-body from the 80's (Z28 and GTA) had no more than 200 hp in a 3200 plus pound body. I consisntantly beat my friend's '79 Z28 with my 240.

Don't be afraid of V8's unless they were made past 95 or 96. They're just oversized slugs.

[BlankFlip]

i haven't ever drove a 5.0 mustang or nething like that, but r u serious about them running 15's? cuz i get reved at by them all the time around here n my initial reaction is to back off.

[Archangel]

Street racing is only about 60% car. &nbsp;The other 40% is the driver. &nbsp;(Assuming both are manuals)
I know people who I could beat in my s14 even if they are driving a corvette (Disclaimer: this is an exageration <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> )
Two cars that are anywhere close in weight and power (240 and Integra), and the outcome is solely on the driver.
I garuntee a friend of mine could drive my stock s14, and beat my other friend in a moded 99 vtec prelude.
Reason: &nbsp;my one friend is a great f**king driver, and my friend with the prelude can't shift very well.

Bottom line: its all about the driver.

[DragonReborn214]

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I don't know why everyone thinks you have to have the most tricked out car to go street racing, and if you lose a street race you'll get completely degraded or some shit like that. I go racing with my 240 (intake and exhaust) in milpitas, ca, which happens to be one of the biggest scenes in the country. If you win you win, if you lose you lose, its no big deal. People just race for fun.

Oh yeah, and about that 5.0 mustang...go ahead and race it. Any muscle car made before '96 is garbage. 5.0's run mid 15's, any slightly modified 240 would easily be an even match. Any any F-body from the 80's (Z28 and GTA) had no more than 200 hp in a 3200 plus pound body. I consisntantly beat my friend's '79 Z28 with my 240.

Don't be afraid of V8's unless they were made past 95 or 96. They're just oversized slugs.
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Bro... You don't know what you are talking about. Fox Body mustangs will rock you. Normally modded 93 5.0L Cobras run low 10's. Hahah. You are smoking something.

[BlankFlip]

what r the specs on the mustang gt's, those r what i meant to say, i just figured he was talking about those b/c he said 15's. so does nebody know much about these cars, from experience or just specs?

[Pimpbot5000]

DragonReborn214, I don't remember saying Cobra anywhere in my post, I said &quot;5 point mother f#cking 0&quot;, as in stock; non special edition nothing. I know for a fact that that 5.0's run 15.0's STOCK because I drag race at Sear Point open run nights and have witnessed it. Of course a modded 5.0 (or anything for that matter) could run faster, but I'm just saying that 80's and 70's muscle cars are not all that, and that import drivers shouldn't be so scared of them. They are heavy, underpowered (for they're engine size) and inefficient. My friend's lightly modified GSR butt f#cks 5.0's all the time at Sears Point (not bracketed) and in Milpitas.
Oh yeah, and as for your '93 Cobra that you mentioned. I just witnessed on get beat last night by a '73 Datsun. DOMESTIC POWER AT ITS FINEST!

P.S. Blankflip, as far as specs, 5.0 gt's have 225hp in the early nineties and most likely a lot lower in the 80's.

[BlankFlip]

r the 5.0's the gt's, r they v6's or v8's? r those the ones that run 15's stock? if so then i'm gonna be doing a whole lot more racing. i'm dead serious when i say that mustang gt's r like the main car u c around here.

[Pimpbot5000]

As far as I know, the GT's are the 5.0's, and those are the ones that run 15's (which are V8's). Go ahead and race a few of those 5.0's around your area, and even if you lose, you'll be surprised how well you hang. I don't mean to sound like you should go out there and &quot;5.0 hunt&quot;, because a mid-modified one is fast as #### (or even one thats running just x-pipping), but if it isn't deafning loud, it most likely isn't.
Another fun muscle car to pick on is an 80's Z28 or IROC. They range from 180-205 hp and are A LOT slower than a 5.0.

[BlankFlip]

okay, i just looked up some mustang gt specs, n the one on this page is 4.6 l not 5.0, but it's a v8 that runs a 19.5 s 1/4 mile, i seriously had no idea it was that bad. how fast do the s14's do 0-60 in? neway, here's the link.

http://www.autofan.com/april99/2/specs.htm

[BlankFlip]

i found a mustang 5.0 1/4 mile time n hp specs. this page also has a lot of cars that r right at the same speed as us basically. this page gave me a good idea of what cars we can actually have a good race w/, especially if we have some minor mods done. n the 5.0 was a v8 running a 15.608 1/4 mile w/ 225 hp just in case u don't wanna look on the site for it.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8353/quad4intro.html

(Edited by BlankFlip at 3:17 am on Oct. 29, 2001)

[Pimpbot5000]

Cool, thanks, at least now I have some evidence to support what I'm saying and it doesn't look like I'm blowing hot air. Dragonboy can go jack off to the sight of &quot;91 5.0 Mustang GT [email protected]&quot;.

As far as that other site is concerned, that 19.5 or whatever quarter mile is a typo. The 4.6 liter newer mustangs ran 14's. I don't suggest messing with those for a while.

[vancouvers14]

i've beaten a 4.6 mustang and an old 4.9 thunderbird, the mustang by half a length, and the thunderbird by a little bit less.

with the right parts and a great launch, you can keep up.