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ok well..... to say something is a fact and is proven......... what does that mean? there are things that can change anything no matter how factual u think it is....... nothing is 100 percent......... and ........ my theory is this ..... on religion n stuff......... i just believe in god i have no religion because to me it just seems all religions preach the same thing yet they find a way to say that they are better than any other group. so i say f it..... i'll believe in god...... and thats it......... n e questions?
rabbit23
10-30-2001, 12:14 PM
nismos you and i have about the same theory. i try and follow my own sort of religon i've developed from reading buddist and taoist material. "be good and good things happen". it may sound crazy but everytime i start screwing around i get into trouble. like if i skip class and party all night with friends some unexpected bull shit always hits me (flat tire, forgotten unpaid bill) but if i keep the karma clean just the opposite happens, (pay raise, A on test) that kinda stuff. you guys may think i am crazy, but i am a true believer in karma. i do believe in a higer power just not the way we are led to worship/respect him/her.
BlankFlip
10-30-2001, 12:18 PM
i've actually been questioning that stuff a lot 2. like if the theory of evolution was ever proven to be true, it would go against nething ever said in the bible, which is what is what all the christian religions r based on, no matter what denomination. i also brought up the whole dinosaur topic to somebody that knows a lot about the bible, n he showed me some stuff that mention like serpents n huge strong creatures, which could lead u to think that they could've been dinosaurs, but they didn't just call them that back in the day. i brought the dinosaur thing up b/c of the dinosaur extinction stuff u read n study about, like the huge meteor, n how is could have ended ALL life on earth so i'd like to know what could have happened back then. i also brought up the fact of the solar system n how much more space there possibly could be out there. the bible says god created the earth, 2 lights, n the stars, but it doesn't really get specific u know? so like what if there was life on another planet or something...that could lead u to question some more stuff. i'm still a christian n all i guess, i just question a lot of info n have seriously been looking into stuff like this lately, i've never really read the bible, but i have looked up some stuff on the topics i'm interested in lately. i've also looked to science a lot 2, especially on the internet. but a lot of stuff in the bible is historic stuff like ne info that might be found in a high school u.s. history book, from what i've found, here seems to be documents n stuff to prove it. i'm in no way preaching or nething cuz i'm not like that, i'm just starting to look into everything. i just want to c what the future holds on developments, ideas, theories, n stuff like that b/c i like details. like God created man, i want to know how he did that, of course he's God n all, but like what caused this man to be like he was n all u know? i'm really open minded about everything so i love to hear ne info reguarding life n creation or similar topics.
i havbe a bunch of stuff on my site on religion
i have actually read books that theologins have written.
funny how every other religion changes due to historical fact except christianity?
hmmmmmm
i myself was a christian, now i practice none, only due to the fact of how ignorant most people are.
just my thoughts that are backed up by "HISTORICAL FACTS"
BlankFlip
10-30-2001, 12:48 PM
sorry, but i'm confused, it sounds like u were saying christianity is like the only solid religion or something, n u followed it, but now u don't? could u clear that up for me, i know i'm probably wrong, i just didn't understand it by the way u worded it. n also, what's some of the best stuff u've found out from the books u've read?
vancouvers14
10-30-2001, 01:09 PM
religion/culture-closely-tied-to-religion is the cause of almost every war in history
afghanistan, yugoslavia, rwanda, ww1 and ww2, india/pakistan, isreal/palestine, etc.
most religions seek to divide when they all preach the same thing, just with different names.
religion is supposed to be a personal thing, not something you spread and share. if you want to find faith, find it within yourself first.
Chokudori
10-30-2001, 02:01 PM
I came up with this crazy theory.
The so called "GOD" is actually an alien trying to brainwash us into making us think that they are the superior being so that it will be easier for them to rule us when the time comes...
ok, forget it. It sounds kinda stupid when I actually write it down. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
Religion has caused a whole lot of wars but that's because people distort them and feel that everyone should be forced to believe the same thing. I agree with vancouvers14 that religion is a personal thing, but when you have something wonderful it's natural to want to share it with others. It just shouldn't be forced. If people don't accept what you say, leave them alone. If you know your religion is the right one, you should know that the greater power you believe in DON'T NEED you to defend Him/it. Billy Graham, for example, has invited too-many-to-count people to follow Jesus but he never pointed a weapon at his audience or threatened to wipe out the non-believers.
And I think the ignorant people CAMPPAIN was talking about are those who are closed-minded and refuse to see from another point of view. How can you say your religion is right without learning about other religions and ideas? How can you say God created man without being able to point out the evidence against evolution? Faith is an important factor in religion, but it's important in every religion. If you're lost, you can't take the first path you see and just believe that it's the right one. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
Anyway, back to the original post... I don't quite understand what you mean by "theories of evolution that derive out of opinions on god." I'll just say that I believe evolution takes as much faith as any religion, and there are just as many ignorant evolutionists as there are ignorant religious zealots. Theories on evolution are not solid at all and there are plenty of evidence to suggest that the most popular theories are totally wrong. Scandals don't just happen in the political world. They happen everywhere, even among scientists. I won't go into details but my point is that people should not just believe the first thing they're taught without finding out why there are oppositions.
Also I want to point out that it's great everyone has been posting "in a tasteful manner" like the first post says. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> This is a rather sensitive topic for many people and I hope I don't screw it up. ^_^;
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I know this isn't at all what you were implying, but it just reminded me of something. A lot of people will blame Christianity for stuff like the Crusades, and all the other "religious wars" and ect...
Christianity isn't to be blamed, stupid people are to be blamed. Abortion clinics arn't blown up because of Christianity. There is nothing remotely similar to destroying abortion clinics that Jesus taught.
So easily the media, and overall culture will slap the word "Christianity" on something, or something that happened which totally perverts the teachings of Christ. It's so easy to see the preacher on TV that got arrested for sexual molestation of a minor, or the the guy protesting holding up a sign that says, "God Hates Fags" and then think, "messed up Christians". I'm not here to say who is Christian and who isn't, but a lot of Christians and those who claim to be Christians can do some VERY screwed up un-Christlike things. This can lead to a very distorted perception of true Christianity from a Bibical aspect in the majority of society since the majority of society has read very very little or none of the New Testemant.
dave2u
10-30-2001, 04:44 PM
There was once an animal like all the other animals NO DIFFERENT! It happened to discover that on the plains if it stood up on its back 2 legs it could see further. It discovered that if it stood on its back 2 legs it could pick food from higher places. It started to spend more time on its back legs and they developed.
With spending more time on its hind legs its front legs hands/paws/digits/whatever became more available for carrying out tasks. Simple and basic at first. But over time with these 2 tools out in front of it it realized it was able to solve problems and it learned skills. And its front digits were no longer for walking but advanced tools for solving problems in a way no other animal could. As a result it`s brain developed and it became a thinker , a solver of problems in its environment. It began to think . Its intelligence grew as did its dextrous abilities. It learned to use these assets to solve problems and find solutions and rise above the other animals around itself.
Millions of years passed and those animals had long ago risen to the top of the food chain.
They`re ability to think and problem solve had them building creating solving their way in a direction that was so advanced to the other species it shared the planet with that it could no longer believe that it came from the same place as them. It had them believing in Gods, desperate as it was to find answers . To understand the questions its advanced mind asked. It didnt have the answers so it hysterically made them up. Believing what it chose to believe. It created gods for the sea, gods for the sky and anything else it couldnt understand. A million tribes, a million different struggles to understand. Only the tribes with the most collective skill `s beliefs survived as wars wiped out the weaker tribes and their ideas.
We are animals. With opposable thumbs and much greater intelligence. It scares me to think that people will ridicule the beliefs of tribes thousands of years ago and yet claim their own to be the REAL and TRUE beliefs (religion).
Believing if you sacrifice a baby on a mountain top it`ll save the crop that year is as irrational as believing some guy walked on water or made everything and is always watching over you. It really scares me that people honestly believe in these nursery rhymes. Grown adults!
Its scary that humans NEED to believe like this.
Insecure people who believe in a story because all the people around them who they respect do.
I can understand the ones who believed it or they would be murdered by the stronger tribe.
Its all about not understanding.
Its all about seeking answers.
It`s all about domination.
Its the insanity of not understanding.
The insanity of being top of the food chain with too much time to think.
There are no answers but humans have never been able to handle that.
Concentrate on developing those skills that only humans are capable of.
The more skills you learn the more you`ll advance in the world of the human animal.
Be happy, make a peaceful hippy commune like me S13grl and 96SEchick in the country and reproduce. This is natural! survive as comfortably as you can, protect your environment , the planet that you live on to prolong your own life and the life of your species. THAT is natural. The will to survive!
Try to eradicate the differences human tribes have. Whether it be beliefs , colour , borders. Because this planet is getting too full and if we dont find peace amongst all our diffrent tribes the strong will eradicate that which threatens it. And we will all die!
dave2u
10-30-2001, 04:47 PM
OWWWWW! MY FINGER TIPS ARE BBBBBLLLLEEEEDDDDIIINNNNNGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!
vancouvers14
10-30-2001, 04:56 PM
you can't seperate a religion from its followers and the actions of its followers in the name of that religion.
everyones just trying to pass the blame
Jeff240sx
10-30-2001, 06:36 PM
I really think I am kicking a dead horse here, just because there is so much info here that I haven't even read. I don't like reading, I wait till the movie comes out. But anyway, this is a god questioning post, so I will contribute my cinic views.
I dislike organized religion period. Organized religion is mad. It costs so much to go there, as far as donations. The church doesn't pay taxes or much else, but there is a board up front with the weekly offering for the past week, and for that week in the previous year, and all they say is more, more, MORE! It is nuts... the last week they get $2500, and they want more. And then what they teach you is "God is a guy that lives in the sky, with 10 commandments written on stone tablets, and if you break one of them, he will send you to suffer in #### for all eternity, and yet he loves you." This goes along with the Nazi-ish sermon. As soon as you enter, it's "Walk, sit, bless, kneel, pray, stand, sing, read, sit, stand, kneel, hellfire, stand, brimstone, sleep, wake, sing..."
And finally, beliefs are horrible. Ideas are easy to change. But beliefs are not. And there are those nutcases with organized religion, mostly in the middle east, who have the hundred year war and kill millions of their people, all fighting for whose god is better.
I personally have an idea that there is a higher bieng. And Karma, and a few others. Mostly Hindu and Bhuddist. Anyway. That's my thoughts. Don't believe one thing. Have many ideas, and an open mind.
-Jeff
BlankFlip
10-30-2001, 07:36 PM
everybody that's posted here seems to be open minded, i definitely am 2. i agree w/ that find faith in uself thing. but there r a lot of religions that say that u should spread the word of ur religion to benefit others while u live. personally, i hate when ppl do that, i don't need nebody preaching to me about stuff i already might know, n act like i'm "lost" n need to be found or something. who's to say that they're right n i'm wrong b/c i add my own personal beliefs to what i believe in. n danio, i meant that the theory of evolution would contradict the bible, it's 2 sketchy now to be 100% true. if we did evolve over time n all, i would totally agree w/ it if it was completely proven. if ur christian, is says god created man since the beginning of time in his own image (i can't remember which of the 7 days it was now), so if evolution is true for humans and we did evolve over time, then guess what, the very first page of the bible would be wrong. i do believe there is a God n heaven n stuff, that's just my beliefs, but times change n i think if all of those religions would have been created today, they would be different than how they were originally created, not in all cases though. i'm mostly referring to the bible, it probably wouldn't change the teachings of morals and what to do in ur life, but would explain stuff in greater detail, like creation. sometimes i think that we just get the basics in this life n that when we die we can fully be able to grasp n understand how this world works n was created as much as we want.
BlankFlip
10-30-2001, 07:41 PM
jeff 240sx, i don't agree w/ that ten commandments thing u said, that if u break it, then u go to ####, i don't think ne religion practices that. ne form of christianity that has to do w/ the ten commandments teaches that u can be forgiven, nobody's perfect. i mean, i can understand if u don't like religion n stuff, but it sounds like u haven't looked into what u were talking about much. not mad or trying to insult u or nething alright <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> .
rubbersidedown
10-30-2001, 08:35 PM
my turn to put my 2 cents in! :-) I believe in God. I believe what the bible says, but i don't like to conform to any type of organized religion. I've a few friends who are different religions than mine (i'm catholic) and they all seem to believe in the same thing.. but it appears that aside from the general belief of God that they share they have their own "personal beliefs" that they try and force on their followers. Like some of them don't accept gays, others believe that dancing is like devil's play or some crap. I feel that anyone can believe anything they want. All i know is that no matter what i believe in a try to be a decent person. of course i'm not perfect but i try. :-) I feel as long as you try to be a good person and recognize what you do wrong than you're ok in my book :-) and i'm not gonna sit here and tell anyone what is right and wrong. i feel that is up to the person to decide that.
BlankFlip
10-30-2001, 08:46 PM
hey rubberside, i fully agree w/ u, i'm even in the same situation (catholic n stuff). i don't like how ppl say, oh u should only listen to christian music or don't watch ne movies that will corrupt ur mind, it's not like i'm gonna watch a scary movie then try n kill ppl. i just try to be a good person though n i talk to nebody, no matter what religion, there r actually ppl that won't hang out w/ u if u don't believe what they do.
for me...i don't believe big bang...or any of that let there be light shit...it's bacterias that some what formed to fish then this then that then monkeys then US humans...the sperm and the egg...thats how it is i don't care what and whoever thinks of how we all came about but this one seems the most believeable...i don't believe in praying to get better when sick or for luck...when your sick get your ass a #### Advil...and for luck well thats you against the odd....u win u lose...thats life for ya....anyone think of the same too???
LanceS13
10-31-2001, 12:23 AM
I don't believe in the Big Bang Theory...and I am a Christian. And as was said before, I'm technically Southern Baptist, but I have my own beliefs which I derive from reading the Bible and conversing with God.
As far as evolution and the Big Bang...I find it much easier to believe that a "higher being" created everything than to believe that so much order came out of so much chaos. Everything is ordered and has patterns, down to the sub-atomic level. Now this isn't to say I don't believe in some sort of "assissted evolution". I do believe that humans were created after the image of God himself as said in the first pages of the Bible. However, lesser creatures may have changed as their surroundings changed....I guess you could say through advanced adaptation. But since God is in control of their surroundings, he gives the animals the ability to adapt to any changes he makes...unless he wishes for that animal to go exstinct. Humans already have the capacity to adapt to nearly any situation b/c of a very functional God-given mind, so drastic adaptation isn't necessary. That isn't to say that posture and height hasn't changed slightly from region to region...just mental capacity and basic physical ability. The main reason I believe in God is b/c I talk to Him every night, I have have felt what it's like to have that inner peace when God and I are on the same path, and I have felt the utter desolation after I decide to go wander through the trail-side brambles on my own. But I know that all that I have to do is ask, and I'll be shown the way again.
I see it as sort of arrogant that some people think we are masters of the universe. We are not at the top of the food chain. Yes...we find safety in numbers, but so do gazelle and geese and the like. Lions, tigers, bears (oh my!), snakes, sharks, even spiders and killer bees kill and/or eat several hundred people a year. There are also things that are well beyond our control...like climactic changes, geothermal catastrophes, meterological disasters, large extra-terrestrial projectiles, etc. Who is controlling all of this? The best answer I have found is some higher being....and that higher being, I believe, is God the Creator.
As far as people getting all riled up about other people trying to share their beliefs...if you believe something, you think that it is right (otherwise you wouldn't believe it). If you get fulfilment out of that belief, it is only natural to want to share it with others. There is a fine line between force feeding and heavy persuasion. I can tell you about my beliefs all I want, but I'm not gonna make you accept them. I've shared my good news, it's up to you to believe it or not. Alot of people are set in there ways, so that's where the heavy persuasion comes in...all I ask is to at least look into it with an open mind. Maybe you'll see something you hadn't seen before...maybe you won't; in which case, I have the right to pray that you find the right path for your life (which ideally would be my path or something similar b/c in my mind, my beliefs are right--remember?)
Ok...I've typed alot and could probably type more, but it's late, so I'm not sure if it makes a whole lot of sense...so I'll just shutup now. So take it as you like. I probably won't reply much more to this thread in absense of a direct attack on my beliefs b/c I find it hard to talk about such personal things over such an inpersonal medium.
>>cracks cramped knuckles and moves on to other threads<<
dave2u
10-31-2001, 04:28 AM
LanceS13 "we are not top of the food chain" YOU DARE TO CHALLENGE MY BELIEFS. RIGHT!!! NOW I WILL NUKE YOU!!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
Hey bloody interesting this thread isnt it in light of what is going on in the world at this mo?
You can sense it in the thread cant you? A volitility. A passion for each owns individual ideas on life and creation. You say "each to there own" but you can feel a desire to argue and dispute other peoples beiefs that are contrary to your own.
Lets hope the factions out there come to as peaceful a conclusion regarding there conflicting beliefs as we do in here.
Respect to everyones beliefs and if it gets us through the day its as valuable as the next mans.
(PS i`m right and you`re all wrong hehe!)
A little bit about my beliefs:
I am a follower of Christ. I used to get way into these evolution vs. creationism debates when I was younger, but then I realized to a certain point they begin to get somewhat pointless. Yes, there is a lot of evidence that would support the theory of evolution, as well as evidence against the theory of evolution. No one is going to be able to "prove" God. If we could prove God, then there would be absolutely no need for faith. My faith is not blind. I did not pick up the Bible and say, "This is an interesting story. Woah, this Jesus dude can walk on water and turn water into wine, I think I'll make Him the central focus of my life now." There are a lot of things where I'm like, "This doesn't make sense, why would God do this?" or "I don't understand how this can happen." Sometimes I have to remind myself that my finite mind can not come close to the greatness of God's. This doesn't mean I don't seek answers of course. It's just so easy for me, to get too caught up in trying to prove exactly what I believe.
If anything can be proven, it's that my life would be completely different (not for the better) without my relationship with God. That's right, without God I am weak. I'm not ashamed to admit it, because I am. With God I can handle anything, and if I had to I would die for my beliefs becaue they are such a large part of me. (please don't confuse this with something like highjacking a plane and flying it into a building....not like that at all)
Because of the strong faith I have in God, I tell myself I'm either a lunatic or there is truth to my beliefs.
It seems that everyone has done a good job about not bashing anyone, or whatnot...and that's really cool.
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