At lAt last, finished w/ my bi-xenon setup!

[240meowth]

so, i been working on this bi-xenon set up for some time now, and at last I'm done! (for those don't know, bi-xenon=HID for high beam and low beam) Let me know what you guys think :bite: took me nearly half a year to get enough time to figure out all of the things. the driver side headlight looks super whacked that's because i havn't made a sheild for it yet, so some lights are escaping from the sides, when i get too bored, i'll fix that. :yum:

http://www.mrclam.com/jeremy/IMG_2288.JPG

http://www.mrclam.com/jeremy/IMG_2283.JPGhttp://www.mrclam.com/jeremy/IMG_2284.JPG

http://www.mrclam.com/jeremy/IMG_2281.JPGhttp://www.mrclam.com/jeremy/IMG_2282.JPG

[ledzeppelin240]

Nice work...Its always good to see cool stuff like this being done. Credit is due here, yo...

[Demik]

thats gay


jk sick sick yo.. i like they way it looks.. i give u e-props

[matlock]

I think it looks cool, and I have a feeling that old_s13 will be posting on this thread ;)....but either way I don't really know enough about lighting and quality to say it looks terrible or wonderful, but I do have respect because of the fabricating you did and the time involved. Good job.

[240meowth]

All is well, i also noticed i typed the freaking title whacked out... wa ha ha, i like it, the LHD beam pattern is just like a bouns

[old_s13]

I think it looks cool, and I have a feeling that old_s13 will be posting on this thread

why? he did an upgrade on his car, awesome.. anytime people put in work they should get credit (if the job is done right).

kudos,
mike

[s13driver]

i 'm just wondering are those bulbs 6000k ? because they don't look 4100k to me

[240meowth]

i 'm just wondering are those bulbs 6000k ? because they don't look 4100k to me

they are 8000k, i got 'em for ha ha's. I started w/ 4300k, the oem stuff, it wasn't bad, than i had some 6000k in there and it looked... very purple, so i passed on those, than i tried some 8000k, didn't come out too bad, so i kept it.

[sr_sil80]

the pics didn't show up, so i don't really know what it looks like, but the M3's and X5's already have a bi-xenon HID system that has a flap within the projector, which lifts up when you throw on your hi-beams.

[240meowth]

the pics didn't show up, so i don't really know what it looks like, but the M3's and X5's already have a bi-xenon HID system that has a flap within the projector, which lifts up when you throw on your hi-beams.
that's basically what it is

[mrmephistopheles]

anything over 5300K is ugly. :-D
nice work, dude!

[ThatGuy]

Nice job, now do Tri-Xenon with some foglights. LOL. Nice work again!

[Ghettokracker71]

:bigok: good work ! Now you gotta make it work for pop-ups

[old_s13]

anything over 5300K is ugly. :-D
nice work, dude!

my thoughts exactly.

- mike

[Ahhsk]

the pics didn't show up, so i don't really know what it looks like, but the M3's and X5's already have a bi-xenon HID system that has a flap within the projector, which lifts up when you throw on your hi-beams.


A flap? like a physical flap? I thought they altered the arc across the electrodes via a magnetic field of some sort.

[240meowth]

A flap? like a physical flap? I thought they altered the arc across the electrodes via a magnetic field of some sort.

it's a physical piece, that moves to allow different amount of light out

and to respond to my friends kevin and mike, i said i tried different setup, and i liked the 8000k the best so there! :fawk:

[mrmephistopheles]

:blah: yeah yeah..
for my money, if it's not OEM color or close to it, I'm not using it. :D

[SilviaDriver]

it's a physical piece, that moves to allow different amount of light out

and to respond to my friends kevin and mike, i said i tried different setup, and i liked the 8000k the best so there! :fawk:

the point of poeple retrofitting HIDs into their car is to get best lighting output and OEM look

wats the point of retrofitting HIDs in there and then putting 8000K bulbs?? wow u get a good beam pattern but ur lighting will be more shitty.

good job on the HID projector retrofit...but as for the bulbs...its gay.

[240meowth]

I tried the OEM philips bulb, it looked like halogen, that's why i didn't stick w/ it... WHY OH WHY :)

[old_s13]

and to respond to my friends kevin and mike, i said i tried different setup, and i liked the 8000k the best so there!

you're supposed to do what you feel is best. if you like 8000k, enjoy 8000k. personally, i dont sell anything i wouldnt use on my own car. 4100k is OEM, thats HID at its best in terms light output and longevity. Plus, the bulbs are cost effective and readily available. 6000k are also available but cost more, dont last as long and dont emit as much light. 8000k is grey-market stuff from taiwan and i would never consider using or selling such.

enjoy.

- mike / clearcorners.com

I tried the OEM philips bulb, it looked like halogen, that's why i didn't stick w/ it... WHY OH WHY

when your car pours light onto the road, it most definately DOESNT look anything like halogen... 4100k:
http://clearcorners.com/240sx/Exterior24.jpg

[SilviaDriver]

I tried the OEM philips bulb, it looked like halogen, that's why i didn't stick w/ it... WHY OH WHY :)

it looks yellow becuz u need to "break it in"

theres a burn time of bout 200hrs of use before the yellow goes away WHY OH WHY :)

u learned to do a retrofit..yet u missed that..strange.

[s13driver]

putting 8000k hid capsule on car is no better than having halogen light output wise.. for those who don't know, the color you see on those hid equipped luxury cars are not from the 5,6,7,8,....000k bulb but the projector with the oem 4100k or 4150k bulb itself...

[SilviaDriver]

the color is actually coming from the sheild of the projector..the 4100-4500K bulb is just for the light..colors come from bent sheilds

[TurDz]

If you want a more blue or purple "flicker," that's a different story. As SilviaDriver said, it's all in the shield placement and the color comes out as an intense layer right at the cutoff. You can have both a nice flicker plus useable 4100k lighting.

A great example...probably the epitome of a great flicker:

http://hidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=16727
http://www.directimagehost.com/is.php?i=24497&img=1419100_1475.jpg

[240meowth]

and to respond to my friends kevin and mike, i said i tried different setup, and i liked the 8000k the best so there!

you're supposed to do what you feel is best. if you like 8000k, enjoy 8000k. personally, i dont sell anything i wouldnt use on my own car. 4100k is OEM, thats HID at its best in terms light output and longevity. Plus, the bulbs are cost effective and readily available. 6000k are also available but cost more, dont last as long and dont emit as much light. 8000k is grey-market stuff from taiwan and i would never consider using or selling such.

enjoy.

- mike / clearcorners.com

I tried the OEM philips bulb, it looked like halogen, that's why i didn't stick w/ it... WHY OH WHY

when your car pours light onto the road, it most definately DOESNT look anything like halogen... 4100k:
http://clearcorners.com/240sx/Exterior24.jpg


I had an OEM d2s made by OSRAM, I didn't like it, that's why i tested the 6000k and 8000k, and I used 8000k because it's my personal preferrance.

now about that picture, mike, the sky and background looks rather bright, eh? Did u play any camera tricks? :fawk:

[old_s13]

i've never understood why people are so hung over the blue thing. all i care about is light, give me more light and i am happy. people are way strung on this HID-bling-blue.. get over it.

now about that picture, mike, the sky and background looks rather bright, eh? Did u play any camera tricks?

The trick is in the lights, the lights look good -- thats the trick. ;)

[TurDz]

mike did you ever post pics of your beam pattern for the S14?

[SilviaDriver]

I had an OEM d2s made by OSRAM, I didn't like it, that's why i tested the 6000k and 8000k, and I used 8000k because it's my personal preferrance.

now about that picture, mike, the sky and background looks rather bright, eh? Did u play any camera tricks? :fawk:

if u like the look of 8000000000k temp bulbs...please tell me wat was ur reason for doing the HID projector swap anyways???

[No Motiv]

fo shizle dizzle..those lizzles be off the hizzle...

flame me now

[old_s13]

mike did you ever post pics of your beam pattern for the S14?

There is a difference between beam-pattern and cutoff. The lights use factory HID components therefor, the lights have a factory beam pattern/cutoff.


if u like the look of 8000000000k temp bulbs...please tell me wat was ur reason for doing the HID projector swap anyways???

What kind of question is this? The guy put in work and completed his project. Some people care more about appearance, others care more about performance. Some want a balance of both. Its not like he kept the OEM projectors, he probably spent a lot of time trying to get his project the way he wanted it. While 8-kabillion kelvin rated bulbs are not MY fancy, doesnt mean others dont like it. Sure, I love talking trash about people who like that stuff.. but thats just me. ;) Still, congrats on the retrofit.. I hope it works well for you.

- Mike

[TurDz]

I'm sure you know what I mean. The beam pattern against a wall. Any pics at all?

[SilviaDriver]

I'm sure you know what I mean. The beam pattern against a wall. Any pics at all?

ive been waiting for those pics for a while now. y? becuz i see a lot of HID retrofits on his site..yet i do not see one signal pic of the lights up against the wall

[old_s13]

must i repeat myself? WHY?

are you guys lighting experts? what is a picture of a cutoff going to show you? is there anyone here who has photometric devices to test and critique the lighting pattern (NOT CUTOFF) of the projectors and say which is good and which is bad?

stop pretending to be experts (not that I am saying I am) -- you need to understand, lighting pattern and cutoff are NOT the same thing.

-- the end --

[TurDz]

you know what, stop putting words in my mouth about being an expert. All I'm asking is for a pic of the HID against a wall. I'm just curious. I wanted to see how your HID light shines through the factory glass and how it appears against a wall @ 25ft.

[SilviaDriver]

must i repeat myself? WHY?

are you guys lighting experts? what is a picture of a cutoff going to show you? is there anyone here who has photometric devices to test and critique the lighting pattern (NOT CUTOFF) of the projectors and say which is good and which is bad?

stop pretending to be experts (not that I am saying I am) -- you need to understand, lighting pattern and cutoff are NOT the same thing.

-- the end --

indeed we are not lighting experts. never said we were. but that does not mean we are the commoners that dont know jack shit bout HIDs. didnt browse HIDforum for almost a yr for nothing. granted browsing the forum for almost a year does not justify my knowledge.

well im sure there is somebody [noton this forum i guess] that has a device that can test and determine light intensity.

fine. lighting pattern and cutoff are NOT the same. but how bout some pics of the light shined up against the wall. thats not asking for lighting pattern OR cuttoff. id like to see pics of the car parked watever distance away from a wall and its lights turned on

y?

ims ure uve seen the thread already on HIDforum

u show us pics such as these...

http://clearcorners.com/240sx/Exterior24.jpg

thats great. flicker looks beautiful with lots of color.

ill show u a pic

http://img27.photobucket.com/albums/v81/DohDoh/DSCN0030_copy1.jpg

pic here looks great too huh [being sarcastic] showing a pic of the lights shined to the ground does not show us everything bout the headlights and the way it is setup. u cannot tell/see all the problems with the healdights above..unless u post pics like these...

http://img27.photobucket.com/albums/v81/DohDoh/DSCN0034_copy1.jpg
http://img27.photobucket.com/albums/v81/DohDoh/DSCN0033_copy1.jpg
http://img27.photobucket.com/albums/v81/DohDoh/DSCN0029_copy1.jpg

NOW..i can see wats fully wrong with the headlights and truly justify whether the retrofit ws good or bad. i cant fully tell whether its good or bad by the pics u post. all it shows is the lights lighting up the ground. thats great.

granted i work hard and sweat for my money..to shell out over 1 grand for kouki HID and angel eyes..id like to see the follow pics of it..where it shows its performance..id like to see pics of the retrofit like these...

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SCTGrandAm/hid_011.jpg
http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SCTGrandAm/hidFINISHED_064.jpg


up against a wall. id like to see how sharp the cutoff is. id like to see the lights up against the wall from a X-amount of feet away

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SCTGrandAm/hidFINISHED_080.jpg

id like to see how colorful it is. i did pay over 1 grand. id like to know that ur using the sharpest cutoff projector and the most colorful. [we all know all HID people love the color]

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SCTGrandAm/hidFINISHED_051.jpg
http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SCTGrandAm/hidFINISHED_061.jpg

id also like to see how much it lights up the road.

and the MOST SIMPLE REQUEST

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SCTGrandAm/hidFINISHED_014.jpg

can i get a pic of it actually ON the car??? [grand ams are gay] not that hard to ask. u live in the LA area..im sure u have friends or know people with kouki s14s


Mike: this post was not a personal attack or any attack of that matter. people are requesting simple pics that u can easly do im sure of it. showing these pics would be a part of ur business. check the GB forum..they post up GB..members ask for pic of the product they are holding a GB on, coupel days later, u see pics. simple. ur a lighting business expect to show pics of ur lighting. im paying over 1 grand for ur kouki HID headlights...as a customer can i not see those type of pictures? i am interested in buying those headlights..can i not see any of those pictures? again showing a pic of the on the ground does not justify anything bout the performance of the headlight. all it shows it...theres a bunch of light on the ground [to me]. if a lighting business cannot supply me with those simple pictures...i am in no way to spend over 1 grand for them if he cannot show me pics that will take max 1hr of his time. 1 grand isnt easy to save.


okay with all that said..ill ask u a question.

why as a customer should i spend over 1 grand for ur HID products when u cannot supply me with simple pictures i request so i can feel secure that i am getting wat i paid for. am i suppose to automactically trust u that ur products are good becuz they were in JDMRICE car? im suppose to trust u that ur prodcuts are good becuz simply u are old_s13 and have been browsing on this board for yrs?

would u buy an SR simply by lookin at pics of it? im sure ud like to look more into that SR u are buying to see whether or not its still running etc etc. until u have inspected the SR and know its running good...THEN ull buy the thing.

and the fact that u are avoiding [or so it seems to ME] the question bout posting pics..it makes me doubt u even more on the performace of the HID setup u have.

im sure ur aware of HIDFORUM.COM

how bout u post up ur setups and ur retrofits on there and have some of the HID EXPERTS there ask u for pics. i have browsed ur site thru EVERY link there is possible for me to click. in the end i do not see one pic of the lights up against the wall.

Note: in reality i am not buying it or am i interested. im using an example as a customer.

[old_s13]

Note: in reality i am not buying it or am i interested. im using an example as a customer.

Why did you write all this if you arent a customer and not interested in buying anything?

Why do you care if you arent a customer and not interested in buying anything?

No thanks, we dont cater to window shoppers.

[mrmephistopheles]

cater *

[SilviaDriver]

Note: in reality i am not buying it or am i interested. im using an example as a customer.

Why did you write all this if you arent a customer and not interested in buying anything?

Why do you care if you arent a customer and not interested in buying anything?

No thanks, we dont cater to window shoppers.

becuz i was interested before when u said u might have future plans for ur s15 customers.

and i was also interested in ur angel eyes u had on ur kouki. i asked for pics when u first posted up the kouki headlights, u avoid the question. and now this HID post..u have been asked to post pics again, and have again avoided the question. y do i care? do u like it if u get 1600 grand jacked from you? i know i dont. and im sure u dont either. the people do not know wat they are buying from u, the only thing they have is "im Mike from Clearcorners, i go on zilvia.net so u should trust me" i dont like to be jacked and not know wat im getting. so i dont like to the idea of other people getting ripped off as well. we are a community. i like to help the community.

i juss find it funny how ur business is off lighting yet u cannot provide simple pictures.

there are other people who are and might be interested, hence y i ask for the photos, its not only for me.

but hey..since ur always avoiding the posting of the pics. is ur HID retrofit really that bad? does it really have that much glare?

u seem to be the almight Zilvia lighting guru..u flame to HID retrofit kits or anything that is lighting that isnt to ur liking....so y not answer the simple quetsions?

still avoiding the question?

EDIT: i posted some other stuff here..but i feel it was not needed so i deleted it.

[old_s13]

i juss find it funny how ur business is off lighting yet u cannot provide simple pictures.

I did, I provide pictures of each and every product being offered on the site. YOU want to see lighting pattern pictures, why? Are you trying to mimic or copy my product? Why should I care to show absolutely everything? Thats like walking up to a woman you just met and saying "hello, can you please take off your clothes so I can see you naked, thanks." Life would be quite interesting if it was really like this, because I would walk into Ferrari of Beverly Hills and say "Hello, can I look at your F60 and see exactly how its built so I can replicate it, thanks."

I dont advertise on Zilvia, I dont sit here and plug my products. Every once and a while I drop some knowledge but most of the time I just kickback on here and voice my opinion. I am a normal person, just because I own a business doesnt mean I cant sit here, have fun, shit talk and join the rest of the folks on here.


i dont like to be jacked and not know wat im getting. so i dont like to the idea of other people getting ripped off as well. we are a community. i like to help the community.

There is a difference between helping the 240SX community and working for free like an idiot. Idiots work for free, men work for money. This is my business, its a tool for making money. Parts and labor all cost money. Ballasts and bulbs cost money. Not to mention, people need to make profit so they can make a living.

Stop looking at things like a boy and start seeing things like a man. Your posts are narrow minded. If you want to help the community, support the businesses who helped start create it. Help support the businesses who CREATE products rather than fucking copy them. And please, stop using stupid trendy words like "angel eyes" for chrissake, they're LED rings.

- Mike

[mrmephistopheles]

hey, Mike.. how long have you had your 240 and been in the 240 community again?

[SilviaDriver]

I did, I provide pictures of each and every product being offered on the site. YOU want to see lighting pattern pictures, why? Are you trying to mimic or copy my product? Why should I care to show absolutely everything? Thats like walking up to a woman you just met and saying "hello, can you please take off your clothes so I can see you naked, thanks." Life would be quite interesting if it was really like this, because I would walk into Ferrari of Beverly Hills and say "Hello, can I look at your F60 and see exactly how its built so I can replicate it, thanks."


lighting pattern pics again shows how the light shines. u seem to know HID very well, so im sure ud know people would like to see where and how the light shines.

y would i like to mimic or copy ur product? i dont have the time to do so. i am not asking uto show me EVERYTHING..wat bulbs u use, wat projectors u use etc etc..im asking u to show pics of the lighting. simple.

as for the analogy of walking up to a woman and asking to see her nude body and the F60 comment. i do not see how it relates to this thread/topic. why? becuz i never asked u to break down ur prodcut and show me wat ur using in this thread.



I dont advertise on Zilvia, I dont sit here and plug my products. Every once and a while I drop some knowledge but most of the time I just kickback on here and voice my opinion. I am a normal person, just because I own a business doesnt mean I cant sit here, have fun, shit talk and join the rest of the folks on here.


when did i evre say u cannot kick back relax talk shit and have fun? u can do was u wish, becuz thats exactly wat i do. i do not see where i have mentioned or accused u that u advertise on zilvia.net once in this thread.


There is a difference between helping the 240SX community and working for free like an idiot. Idiots work for free, men work for money. This is my business, its a tool for making money. Parts and labor all cost money. Ballasts and bulbs cost money. Not to mention, people need to make profit so they can make a living.


i know all the works that goes behind a business. ive helped and built my half sisters two luander business she took over and now starting my own. i never said u should work for free. when i said help the community i did not mean for u to show us ur secrets, i meant ot show the results of ur secrets.


Stop looking at things like a boy and start seeing things like a man. Your posts are narrow minded.


explain how it is narrow minded.


If you want to help the community, support the businesses who helped start create it. Help support the businesses who CREATE products rather than fucking copy them. And please, stop using stupid trendy words like "angel eyes" for chrissake, they're LED rings.


i do not know where u get the idea that im trying to ocpy ur products. seriously..i dont know where ugot that. the whole post above was asking for ur pics..NOT asking wat ur parts ur products are made of. where u got that assumption that im trying to copy u. i have no idea. im dong my own retrofit and not trying ot start a lighting business..so i do not see how im trying to ocpy u. sorry i aint GTP. and i do help the community. i do not favor any shop in picticular..everytime i buy a product..i buy from a different company.

LED rings/angel eyes...they are same shit to me. they tell people wat product im talkin bout.

[brianglawson]

There is a difference between helping the 240SX community and working for free like an idiot. Idiots work for free, men work for money. This is my business, its a tool for making money. Parts and labor all cost money. Ballasts and bulbs cost money. Not to mention, people need to make profit so they can make a living.



i know all the works that goes behind a business. ive helped and built my half sisters two luander business she took over and now starting my own. i never said u should work for free. when i said help the community i did not mean for u to show us ur secrets, i meant ot show the results of ur secrets.

Mike honestly i dont see your reasoning, silvia driver is only asking for an example on how your lighting performs, by the cutoff, wll pics and etc, he isnt asking for a breakdown of the structure of your products, he just wants to see how well the perform, thats all
but i think you BOTH are acting a little silly about the whole deal, take a chill pill and wash it down with some cold brew............. :bow:

[TurDz]

but i think you BOTH are acting a little silly about the whole deal, take a chill pill and wash it down with some cold brew............. :bow:

hey man, if you've noticed, that's pretty much the only way to get your point across. remember, they're just discussing...but its true, it's a simple matter of either showing a picture or not showing a picture.

i'd like to add a little bit. hidforum.com is a great place to learn about HID and get very familiar with the standards, hardware, and retrofit. the basic pic that you should usually show is a wall shot @ 25 ft. this will show if the cutoff is crooked, too high, glary, etc (such as silviadriver's pics of a horrible retrofit by a retrofit lighting business who did a HALF-ASSED job). it's a great representation of the whole retrofit.

silviadriver,

if he doesn't want to show it, you should really force it. remember u asked during old_s13's initial thread on his project? well, i thought that he may have been gone or away for a while but i saw him post in other threads later on. so obviously, he just didn't want to. and that's his right. i dont think any more arument will convince him to just say, "ok, i'll post a pic. so there."

[old_s13]

the basic pic that you should usually show is a wall shot @ 25 ft. this will show if the cutoff is crooked, too high, glary, etc (such as silviadriver's pics of a horrible retrofit by a retrofit lighting business who did a HALF-ASSED job). it's a great representation of the whole retrofit.

you mean that company that sells low-budget HID retrofits? the people that call their butchered headlamp projects as finished products?

i have no interest in showing the appearance of the headlamp because its factory HID, there's nothing fancy about it. take any factory HID projector setup and they basically look almost the same. so, what are you guys going to see that will truly make a difference in whether or not the upgrade is good? you guys dont know. serious customers will want to know whats involved with the upgrade, i will be more than happy to tell them. i wont however, jump leaps and bounds just so that i can post pictures of what FACTORY HID looks like -- its pointless.

[G_Fish240]

i wont however, jump leaps and bounds just so that i can post pictures of what FACTORY HID looks like -- its pointless.

Is it really leaps and bounds to post one picture of a wall shot @ 25 ft?

[old_s13]

Is it really leaps and bounds to post one picture of a wall shot @ 25 ft?

Okay.. since you all are such lighting experts, please tell me what the point is of showing a cutoff? Every projector has a sharp cutoff, its the nature of the beast. So, since I've already corrected you guys and you all agree that there is a difference between cutoff and lighting pattern -- will someone PLEASE tell me what the purpose of showing a cutoff will be? What will be gained by showing a picture like this, please tell me.

First of all, lets examine what is being sold between the two vendors. One vendor is selling projectors that have been gutted out of cars that were equipped with HID (Audi, BMW, etc). These projectors are naked and incomplete without the housing, therefor.. you need to cover up a large portion of the projector or else it will emit all types of stray light. That picture where the person showed that rubbish retrofit made up all types of words.. there's no such thing as rainbow glare -- what he should have written was: this is the fucked up HID retrofit I paid for, look how they bastardized my headlamp and look how shitty the gutted projector looks because it emits too much stray light.

NOW, back to the topic at hand. What am I selling? I am selling factory HID projectors made by Hella. Its not science, I only work with new components because the level of consistency and pricing is there. I know exactly how much the bulbs, ballasts, and projectors cost. I support Hella because they sell quality products. So, since the projectors are new, and because they are COMPLETE projectors, why should I go through the effort of taking pictures of FACTORY HID? The bulbs are OEM 4100k, the projectors are factory and emit a factory lighting pattern, and the ballasts are the same.. OEM and new.

So, someone with some knowledge please tell me why I should cater to these null-minded individuals by showing them something that doesnt need to be shown? Go drive a 5-series, park against a wall, and take a picture -- there you have it, factory HID.. congrats.

- Mike

[BillKlineVT]

Call me a newb, flame me all u want since I probably shouldnt be getting involved in this, but don't you think instead of trying to defend your reasoning you could have just taken a picture of your lights on the car and saved yours and all of our time? It obviously took close to a half hour to type up your responses (I'm sure it wasnt a stream of conciousness). Screwing in a set of kouki headlights and plugging in some ballasts shouldn't take too much more time than that.

Again, say what you want, I'm no lighting expert, but if you want people to buy your product maybe give them what they want? Hell, I'm an owner of a kouki s14 and I want to see what they look like. Some of us don't have access to a bmw to check out their beam pattern, and we don't want to interpret what that would look like on a 240. You say they are OEM factory components, yet they were never offered as an OEM option for the kouki, so how is that possible for it to be exactly the same?

See I just wasted even more time instead of just simply [click] "oooh sweet HID setup for kouki headlights, I'm really interested in that now" [scroll] "oh, and this guy is a great help to his community by posting pics of the beam pattern" [click] "Cool, I'll order some" [click]

LOL, now there may have been a little sarcasm in there but I mean come on, I don't think I'm alone here.

Thanks in advance (wink wink),
Bill

[old_s13]

Again, say what you want, I'm no lighting expert, but if you want people to buy your product maybe give them what they want?

No.

[citizen]

stubborn old greek fart... :hahano:

[TurDz]

I can say why I would want a picture of the light against the wall. old_s13, are you claiming the factory glass of the 97-98 240sx does not affect the beam pattern at all? you're saying that if you matched up 5 series and your retrofitted factory HID in an s14 kouki, and shined both against a white wall, they would be EXACTLY the same (if they are identical projectors)? Why do you think I am so intersted in getting clear plastic housing? HID retrofits work best with a clear headlight lens without any fluted markings on it. i'm even referring to cheap aftermarket headlights with clear lenses. the picture below was a pic from a grand am. whether the factory plastic lens is cheap or not, it accepts hid retrofits very well.

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SCTGrandAm/hidFINISHED_010.jpg

and the outstanding output...almost as if the projector was not shining through a plastic headlight lens at all:

http://img26.photobucket.com/albums/v79/SCTGrandAm/hid_011.jpg

edit: i'm adding pics of CHEAP aftermarket headlights for the Accord V6.

i consider these headlamps a bit ricey, but they accept hid retrofits extremely well:
http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/NikonAV6/accord215-2.jpg

http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/NikonAV6/accord216night2.jpg
http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/NikonAV6/accord216night1.jpg

my point: i want to see a pic of your retrofit's light output against a wall and see whether or not you have any ill effects from the headlamps. im not asking for any explanations, but i just want you to prove your point that the factory glass is superior.

[Bliss]

dumbest fucking thread ever. with all the time it took to write everything, 1 goddamn picture could have been taken to satisfy the curiosities of possible future customers.

[SilviaDriver]

dumbest fucking thread ever. with all the time it took to write everything, 1 goddamn picture could have been taken to satisfy the curiosities of possible future customers.

exactly.

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[SilviaDriver]

you mean that company that sells low-budget HID retrofits? the people that call their butchered headlamp projects as finished products?

i have no interest in showing the appearance of the headlamp because its factory HID, there's nothing fancy about it. take any factory HID projector setup and they basically look almost the same. so, what are you guys going to see that will truly make a difference in whether or not the upgrade is good?


the way it is retrofited can cause differences. not all projectors are created equal.


you guys dont know. serious customers will want to know whats involved with the upgrade, i will be more than happy to tell them. i wont however, jump leaps and bounds just so that i can post pictures of what FACTORY HID looks like -- its pointless.


u used factory components..but ur retrofit isnt factory assembled. which can cause differences

Okay.. since you all are such lighting experts,


seriously..quit putting words in our mouths and assuming things. we, or i, arent the average joe who doesnt know jack shit bout HIDs and have companies run all over us.


please tell me what the point is of showing a cutoff? Every projector has a sharp cutoff,


no. not every projector has a sharp cutoff. there are differences between cutoffs, ECE vs DOT

1. http://hidtech.com/garage/01271.jpg
2. http://hidtech.com/garage/01249.jpg

im glad u think the first one is sharp as the second.


So, since I've already corrected you guys and you all agree that there is a difference between cutoff and lighting pattern -- will someone PLEASE tell me what the purpose of showing a cutoff will be? What will be gained by showing a picture like this, please tell me.


future reference. some people who do retrofits like to see how each projector performs. people like to see how colorful it is how sharp it is etc etc from each compnent. hence y sites that sell HID projectors show the cutoff as well.


First of all, lets examine what is being sold between the two vendors. One vendor is selling projectors that have been gutted out of cars that were equipped with HID (Audi, BMW, etc). These projectors are naked and incomplete without the housing, therefor.. you need to cover up a large portion of the projector or else it will emit all types of stray light.


do u not realize wat ur doing? ur doing a HID retrofit as well. the only MAJOR difference between the vendors online and u is, your buying NEW products. you as well as the people who buy them have to piece it together, getting the ballast bulbs etc etc

as for the housing. not all projectors are the same size. using a smaller or bigger projector requires a new shroud. thast wat its for. a shroud or watever is to protect stray lights from shinging else where. im sure the prjoector u bought doesnt exactly fit unless u bought it the same size. but ur doing the same thing.

tell the difference between the two..

u use new compnents..wats the difference between that and me using a FX projector setup? how long ago did the FX come out? not too long ago..FX prjoectors i dunno..come from FX that has been in accidetns and the headlights has been parted out. the projector is still new. u use new compnents..theres no difference



That picture where the person showed that rubbish retrofit made up all types of words.. there's no such thing as rainbow glare -- what he should have written was: this is the fucked up HID retrofit I paid for, look how they bastardized my headlamp and look how shitty the gutted projector looks because it emits too much stray light.


the shitty headlight retrofit was done on part by a company, not him. hell i dunno if i paid 1650 bucks to u, my projectors wont come out like that.



NOW, back to the topic at hand. What am I selling? I am selling factory HID projectors made by Hella.


so if i bought from u, how would u know if i wanted HELLA projectors in my headlights? wat if i didnt? cuz i know of other projectors where their cutoff is more sharp wider and brighter than Hella.

http://hidtech.com/garage/01251.jpg

those are Hella projectors. yea real sharp, real bright and lots of color. and most of all, those are ECE!!!

http://hidtech.com/garage/01249.jpg

those. those are s2000 made by Stanley. and those are DOT!! ECE is suppose to be more sharp than DOT. so tell me which one i would want in my car. yes id like the s2000. so wat would u have to do go bout doing this retrofit for me Mike? yes ud have to buy s2000 projectors retrofit them in and make a shroud. the SAME way other epople do it!

for those that dont know the differnce between ECE vs DOT projectors

ECE permits almost no light above the cutoff. DOT has to have a certain level of light above the cutoff. Just by government standards, how can it be theoretically possible that the sharpest DOT could ever be sharper than the sharpest ECE.



Its not science, I only work with new components because the level of consistency and pricing is there. I know exactly how much the bulbs, ballasts, and projectors cost.


as do i.


I support Hella because they sell quality products. So, since the projectors are new, and because they are COMPLETE projectors, why should I go through the effort of taking pictures of FACTORY HID? The bulbs are OEM 4100k, the projectors are factory and emit a factory lighting pattern, and the ballasts are the same.. OEM and new.


becuz some people DONT know wat factory lighting pattern looks like mayb? in ur kouki headlight HID, it has a clear housing in the front i can clearly see that. yet u also have another lense in the front which is the kouki headlight lense. yes that lense will cause lighting differences. hence y people need the photos. again all projectors are created differnetly so they do not have "Factory lighting pattern"

and if u get pics of the "Factory lighting pattern" its gotta be in the housing of the kouki headlight. im sure if u get the pics off Hella..its gonna be the projector alone. so thats totally different.

im sure u brought this up before...in the Final Konnexion clear Zenki lense thread. u said the ripples/lines/marks on the Zenki headlight are used to help distribute the lighting evenly on the road. kouki headlights have the same do they not? so if ur retrofitting some Hella 90mm or watever iwth a clear lense into the housing of a kouki which it ALREADY has a lense on the outside with lines/ripples/marks...shouldnt the Hella compnent be effected by those lines/ripples/marks on the kouki headlight? from wat u said on the zenki where it helps dispurse the light, then the lines on the kouki should effect the lighting pattern as well.


So, someone with some knowledge please tell me why I should cater to these null-minded individuals by showing them something that doesnt need to be shown? Go drive a 5-series, park against a wall, and take a picture -- there you have it, factory HID.. congrats.


funny. like i said before. in ur kouki u have two lense after the projector which will cause differnt lighting pattern.

cant even show a pic of his headlights...and still aruging over it...so ill use a trendy word that us NorCal people like to call it....shady

no wonder people over at HIDforum.com dont like clearcorners...well their customer service at least.

[old_s13]

cant even show a pic of his headlights...and still aruging over it...so ill use a trendy word that us NorCal people like to call it....shady

Great, this is why you are more than welcome to hop right in the market and offer something better. Imagine, you can not only offer a better product, but also better customer service!


no wonder people over at HIDforum.com dont like clearcorners...well their customer service at least.

Why, are any of them customers of mine that I should be concerned about? Its a forum, what makes you think that the content you read on forums is ALWAYS right? Just because there is a forum full of people who play with lights, doesnt make them experts. Much like this forum consisting of engine builders, hardly the case... isnt it?


u use new compnents..wats the difference between that and me using a FX projector setup? how long ago did the FX come out? not too long ago..FX prjoectors i dunno..come from FX that has been in accidetns and the headlights has been parted out. the projector is still new. u use new compnents..theres no difference

Yes, there IS a difference. You are using USED parts, you cannot go to Infiniti and buy these projectors -- you need to buy the entire assembly. The projectors I work with are off-the-shelf products. Again, you are just showing your ignorance here.


so if i bought from u, how would u know if i wanted HELLA projectors in my headlights? wat if i didnt? cuz i know of other projectors where their cutoff is more sharp wider and brighter than Hella.

I dont work with anything but new Hella projectors, that is all. If you want something different, you are on your own. This isnt Burger King buddy.


hell i dunno if i paid 1650 bucks to u, my projectors wont come out like that.

Because they dont. Not to mention, you wont. Is your car even worth $1650?

- Mike

[SilviaDriver]

Great, this is why you are more than welcome to hop right in the market and offer something better. Imagine, you can not only offer a better product, but also better customer service!

yea ur right i can jump on and start a business that can offer better customer and products. but i dont wish to do so. the argumetn isnt bout starting a business.

Yes, there IS a difference. You are using USED parts, you cannot go to Infiniti and buy these projectors -- you need to buy the entire assembly. The projectors I work with are off-the-shelf products. Again, you are just showing your ignorance here.

ur right. there is a difference. its used. but u compare like a used FX projector is 5yrs old when compared to a new compnent like a Hella one. the FX just arrived, so any hid projectors in the FX is less than 2yrs old max. im sure the 2yr old FX projector performs as well as a new FX projector out of the factory, the only difference? a new bulb. but people who do retrofit usually buys new bulbs.

people do not need to buy new entire assemblys..thats why we have vendors that sell projectors. and wat do those venders do? all they do is strip the projector/ballast/bulbs out of the headlight housing. any other compenets are not needed when doing a retrofit.

I dont work with anything but new Hella projectors, that is all. If you want something different, you are on your own. This isnt Burger King buddy.

true. cuz Burger King has better service. hahaha

Because they dont. Not to mention, you wont. Is your car even worth $1650?

again i dont know that. am i suppose to trust u becuz ur old_s13 and have been with the community for a long time? yea thats wat they said bout Ryan @ Works Yamaguchi or watever. so trustworthy he ran away with peoples money.

after a Quick scan thru ur site again, all ur products show a front view of the product [the products ive clicked on] and do not show any view of the back. so how do we know its all fucked up in the back?

is my car even worth 1650? yes indeed it is. from wat kbb.com said its worth over 4 grand. and this is related to the argument how?


so how bout it Mike? ive notice from the last couple post of urs all ur replies are to the NON-technical side of my post. how bout responding to all of my pics, my ece vs dot

and most importantly..how bout responding to wat Turdz had to say and bout the whole lense thing i said. or are u gonna pick out all the non-technical side of this post and reply to it like u did above?

this isnt the first time u were asked for one simple pic. are u afraid thie pic will releave how bad the lighting really is on the kouki headlight? if im wrong and the kouki headlight does shine well..then ill admit im wrong. im not afraid to do so.

the fact is..on my side of the argument ive provide lots of things..u cannot prove me wrong in this argumetn just by wat u say. a pic will do that.

becuz u own a business that does lighting does not mean ur the only one that knows bout that stuff here. my knowledge bout lighting may not be up to par to urs but that does not mean i dont know jack. thank u.

[old_s13]

Silviadriver, I did not criticise YOU until you stepped up to the plate and started questioning ME. Lets look at the facts here:
a) You are NOT in the market to buy anything from me
b) You are persistent and keep requesting information from me which I do not care to share, nor do I feel its relevent in any way to showing a quality conversion
c) You have horrible grammar ;)

I talk to a lot of old-school list members who own businesses and they always say that the #1 reason why they dont participate as much on the forums is because of pretentious, over-opinated car owners much like yourself. You're questioning ME as if *I* have something to hide. How so? Please tell me, what AM I hiding? I mean, you're definately not going to buy anything from me.. so.. why do you care? Why are you so persistent? Moreso, what the hell have YOU accomplished successfully in terms of lighting? Step up to the plate and show us some of your beautiful work.

I dont NEED to step up to the plate.. I've BEEN stepped up for the past 7 years. I dont NEED to participate on any HID amateur forums. I dont NEED to do anything other than keep making kickass products. Am I egotistical for saying this? As far as I can see, I dont see anyone ELSE stepping up to the plate making anything better. Many of the products you see for the 240SX have been done YEARS ago, and still to this day NO ONE makes anything that comes close..

You come off sounding like a teenager who is trying to show something for himself. So, if you have something to show -- show it. Man up and show us YOUR accomplishments. In the meantime, please close your mouth so we can get back to the topic at hand -- giving credit to the owner of this thread who put fourth the hard work to complete his bi-xenon true-hid setup. Atleast he has something to show for his work, you have nothing.

- Mike

[OptionZero]

This isn't about old_s13 vs. Silviadriver, yet you insist on making it sound like it is.
I respect that old_s13 stands firmly behind his business, but the discussion is being distorted.

So only people who own businesses or have the resources to buy products or the resources to provide "better" products can even talk to you?

SilviaDriver and others are not bashing you, they merely seek to learn more about your product.
It is well within your rights not to talk about your products, but this IS a public forum. For all you know, there may be someone who has the money or may have the money in the future to buy from you who is reading this thread. How would what you say affect their willingess to take their business to you?

Is it good business to come off with a defensive and high-almighty attitude? Not to tell you how to run your business, but it seems like being a bit more personable couldn't hurt.

look, nobody doubts you know your shit, you come off as rough around the edges. Now you may not care one way or the other, but it needs to be said. You are free to give your obligatory "i don't give a fuck" speeches. I really like them, honestly...they're hilarious. Keep up the good work.

[old_s13]

OptionZero, I like your perspective.

The only reason I feel like bashing some skulls in this thread is because these dudes are not simply requesting information, they are being forceful and threatening me as if I have something to hide. As I said before, I have nothing to hide. I come off as defensive because more than just "a lot" of time, money, and effort go into each and every project I take on. I feel each and every project is covered in detail on the site, you'll never find a lighting site more extensive and comprehensive as mine. This is not bragging, this is a reality. I feel my site is my portfolio, I hope all the years of work are visible when people look at the site.

This forum isnt a place where I advocate my business, this is just a place for me to kickback. Just because people know me as Mike of ClearCorners, I dont wish to represent my business here. Sometimes its nice to just have a forum where you can shoot the shit like the old days. Whether I am popular or not, I dont pay attention to any of that. If people respect me in the industry, great.. but I dont demand respect -- its much nicer just having a place to talk with people. Its a double edged sword... people also need to be catious when mouthing off about certain things because rest assured, I love putting people in their place.

As for being rough around the edges, its my nature.. I am sure it can effect business -- but who cares. Are you going to live life having no personality? I dont care. Consumers need to be more worried about buying from someone who is honest, reputable, and good-natured -- who cares if they are rough around teh edges. Atleast I am not phoney like most of the people in Los Angeles who say whatever they need to say and hype things up, just so they can make the sale and scam people.

Most business owners would have completely disregarded this thread and just quit. I dont care to do that. This is my forum for relaxation.. if it gets heated in a discussion, fine.. I dont care. I've been here too long to just shrink up whenever people start demanding stupid things. People need to see that there is more to forums than who is posting the most -- its about knowledge. I hope the people who've read through this thread understand that there is a difference between lighting pattern and cutoff, and that cutoff is next to near useless -- it means nothing. Lighting pattern is what is important. AND, if the light emits a factory lighting pattern.. that is ALL that matters. Cutoff, bulb color, projector design.. all of that means nothing to me. If its not OEM, its not legal to be retrofitted.. so why should I even care about any of that illegal shit?

[OptionZero]

The problem is that those in the spotlight don't control when they get attention or not; like it or not, you're a fuckin celebrity, hahah. So though you may not WANT to be here on zilvia as "the lighting guy", you ARE the "lighting guy", and have all the benefits, pitfalls, and responsibility (Yeah, right) as such.

Well, how bout posting a cutoff picture just because its pretty? Call it art.

[OptionZero]

or, you can create an alternate screen name to flame yourself with, thus holding an online pissing contest with yourself.

It's practice. Think nitekids in reverse.

[240meowth]

Here here, let me save you some face Mike. here's a picture of the projector and the light pattern against the wall in my room, i'm about 15 feet away w/ 5000k HID. See, that's not so hard! Hella makes very good stuff, you don't have to worry about showing them off! BE PROUD! :D

http://www.mizatt.com/jeremy/IMG_2303.JPG
http://www.mizatt.com/jeremy/IMG_2310.JPG

[Kid Zelda]

Would you carry over the 100 lb box of Soul Glow ... just so you can see it, knowing that you aint buying jack shit | ?!#@!

fuc that .. i rather smoke a fat sticky icky icky sticky and laugh @ your corndog mofo looking mofo .. haha (sip sip)

[old_s13]

Here here, let me save you some face Mike. here's a picture of the projector and the light pattern against the wall in my room, i'm about 15 feet away w/ 5000k HID. See, that's not so hard! Hella makes very good stuff, you don't have to worry about showing them off! BE PROUD! :D

hehe... i gotta see your retrofit in person someday meowth. speaking of which, i'de watch out man.. i'm working on a set of s13 projectors as we speak.. you'll love the finished product -- its going to be super trick.

- mike

[240meowth]

hehe... i gotta see your retrofit in person someday meowth. speaking of which, i'de watch out man.. i'm working on a set of s13 projectors as we speak.. you'll love the finished product -- its going to be super trick.

- mike

Naaa, I got nothing to watch out for, I do it for my own ha ha's, i'm not out here to steal ur job, I'd love to see it! since we both play with lights. ;)

[brianglawson]

hehe... i gotta see your retrofit in person someday meowth. speaking of which, i'de watch out man.. i'm working on a set of s13 projectors as we speak.. you'll love the finished product -- its going to be super trick.

- mike

are they triples? plz tell me they are :)

[old_s13]

yes they are the triple projector version.

since we both play with lights.

No, you play with lights -- I have a box full of projectors! This damn line of work has become my life. ha ;)

Is the bi-xenon module you used off of a car or is it the OEM module made by hella? I assume its off of another make, because the hella module is large and also very expensive.

[240meowth]

Is the bi-xenon module you used off of a car or is it the OEM module made by hella? I assume its off of another make, because the hella module is large and also very expensive.

I used a bi-xenon off a car, it just so happened that it fit rather nicely in the s13 headlight, with fabrication that is.

No, you play with lights -- I have a box full of projectors! This damn line of work has become my life. ha ;)


You got a full box of projectors? a full box won't begain to describe how many projectors i have sitting around :bite:

[aa87]

Lets hope they arent stolen. Some bastard stole my friends G35 headlights. Thats what hid forums seems full of, They closed a thread where some guy was selling a lexus headlight, with broken tabs, it seems to make you wonder.

[s13driver]

G35 are reflectors base and i m sure the projector meowth used is from the E55

[aa87]

Meh, i feel like an idiot.

[old_s13]

You got a full box of projectors? a full box won't begain to describe how many projectors i have sitting around

good, come pickup the box i have here before i throw it away. all these halogen projectors are useless (but they make excellent paper weights).

- mike

[240meowth]

You got a full box of projectors? a full box won't begain to describe how many projectors i have sitting around

good, come pickup the box i have here before i throw it away. all these halogen projectors are useless (but they make excellent paper weights).

- mike

Thanks for the offer, but like i said, i got plenty of them, i don't really need it :ugh:


aa87 Lets hope they arent stolen. Some bastard stole my friends G35 headlights. Thats what hid forums seems full of, They closed a thread where some guy was selling a lexus headlight, with broken tabs, it seems to make you wonder.


No these are not stolen :fawkd: I been playing with headlights for years now, they are just my pretty collections ;)

[brianglawson]

hey mike, i say you make some that have the main headlight housing looking like flash's new side blinker:):):):) i love these things
http://store3.yimg.com/I/jspec_1799_678770

[old_s13]

EURO KLEER. wow!


no.

[240meowth]

hey mike, i say you make some that have the main headlight housing looking like flash's new side blinker:):):):) i love these things
http://store3.yimg.com/I/jspec_1799_678770

you must be kidding :Ownedd:

When i saw that i wept and cried myself to bed

[mrmephistopheles]

lol.. I hate to say, especially as Anti-Rice as I am, but I think those markers are fucking HOT. Worth $200? Nah. But HOT HOT HOT.

[old_s13]

i think they look average. i wouldnt buy them because i am a stickler about build quality and i can tell the plastic and sealant is cheap, unlike the high quality oem corner lamps.

[brianglawson]

lol.. I hate to say, especially as Anti-Rice as I am, but I think those markers are fucking HOT. Worth $200? Nah. But HOT HOT HOT.

agree:):):):) especially since they keep the same shade as the stock ones
but some s13 projecter lights, with a more modern look would be great