View Full Version : Manufacturers who Rebuild Rack and Pinions
aymaeid
02-26-2014, 09:09 AM
I have hit a dead end. My s14 is in dire need of a new rack and pinion. Unfortunately the company A1 who has been remanufacturing them for years no longer rebuilds them. (which is great becasue theyre quality was garbage anyway)
Unfortunately, no local shops are willing to rebuild the rack. and every auto parts store or mechanic i have visited cannot order one for me. i get the same response everytime "cant be found." It seems to be out of stock everywhere. There are many on ebay that cost a little under $300, but i cant imagine them being of good quality.
Can someone kind enough please help me in locating a company that sells rebuilt rack and pinions that are of good qulaity. Im willing to spend the extra $ to not have to worry about replacing it in a year.
Thank you all in advance.
new2240s
02-26-2014, 09:45 AM
Go to O'Reilly Auto. My local store can get a s13 rack and pinon for around $200
aymaeid
02-26-2014, 10:04 AM
Go to O'Reilly Auto. My local store can get a s13 rack and pinon for around $200
i did. they carried the garbage A1 Racks. out of stock.
winter
02-26-2014, 10:22 AM
Did you check rockauto?
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1208988,pgname,Steering
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1208988,parttype,7388
ATSCO Part # 8175 More Info Remanufactured; Reman
aymaeid
02-26-2014, 10:38 AM
Did you check rockauto?
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1208988,pgname,Steering
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,carcode,1208988,parttype,7388
ATSCO Part # 8175 More Info Remanufactured; Reman
yessir i did. the links you posted are for an s13. i have an s14. unfortunately they too only carry the A1 brand and are out of stock.
winter
02-26-2014, 10:49 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-OEM-95-98-NISSAN-240SX-COMPLETE-POWER-STEERING-GEAR-RACK-AND-PINION-UNIT-/371012805335?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1996%7CMake%3ANissan%7CModel%3A240SX&hash=item56621622d7&vxp=mtr
http://www.jcwhitney.com/rack-and-pinion/nissan-240sx/c11317d1658j1s21.jcwx
http://www.autopartsnetwork.com/240sx-rack-and-pinion-seal-kit/bvbffaOp
For some reason I thought you had S13. I'm looking around, found this Reman. What's your budget?
They don't seem to have seal kits anywhere abundantly but I did cross reference this part from Amazon made by Edelmann
S13
http://www.amazon.com/Edelmann-8738-Power-Steering-Pinion/dp/compatibility-chart/B000CGTOHW
S14
http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/x,catalog,50,partnum,9065,d,EDELMANN_9065.html
http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Edelmann-9065-Rack-and-Pinion-Seal-Kit-/140554010
Agamemnon
02-26-2014, 10:49 AM
Have you tried shopsteeringracks.com? I show they have remans in stock for $103.
aymaeid
02-26-2014, 10:53 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-OEM-95-98-NISSAN-240SX-COMPLETE-POWER-STEERING-GEAR-RACK-AND-PINION-UNIT-/371012805335?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Year%3A1996%7CMake%3ANissan%7CModel%3A240SX&hash=item56621622d7&vxp=mtr
http://www.jcwhitney.com/rack-and-pinion/nissan-240sx/c11317d1658j1s21.jcwx
http://www.autopartsnetwork.com/240sx-rack-and-pinion-seal-kit/bvbffaOp
For some reason I thought you had S13. I'm looking around, found this Reman. What's your budget?
They don't seem to have seal kits anywhere abundantly but I did cross reference this part from Amazon made by Edelmann
S13
http://www.amazon.com/Edelmann-8738-Power-Steering-Pinion/dp/compatibility-chart/B000CGTOHW
S14
http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/x,catalog,50,partnum,9065,d,EDELMANN_9065.html
http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Edelmann-9065-Rack-and-Pinion-Seal-Kit-/140554010
budget is around $300. I was looking at the one you found from ebay, my only concern is that its ebay. but will most likely be the route ill end up going since my choices are very limited.
Thank you for finding me the rack from JCwhitney. i have done alot of research and heard alot of shit about the A1 racks. its scary how many of them malfunction so quickly.
aymaeid
02-26-2014, 10:56 AM
Have you tried shopsteeringracks.com? I show they have remans in stock for $103.
Thank you for this. and thank god its not A1.
i wonder if these come with boots and all since there are no pictures. i will definately be calling them.
emailed the owner:
Good morning.
The RAP that you are looking for is not available.
Thank You,
Thomas Williams
Sales Representative
dluevanos01
02-26-2014, 09:13 PM
yessir i did. the links you posted are for an s13. i have an s14. unfortunately they too only carry the A1 brand and are out of stock.
s13 and s14 steering racks are interchangeable. THe only thing is that you need to buy the matching passenger side bushing.
s13 rack-> s13 right side bushing
s14 rack-> with s14 right side bushing
I have an s13 with and I'm using an s14 steering rack and pinion.
mad-ass
02-26-2014, 09:39 PM
I was looking at buying new rack from Oreilly here soon(The A1 Cardone brand)..
what's wrong with A1 parts?
aymaeid
02-27-2014, 09:47 AM
I was looking at buying new rack from Oreilly here soon(The A1 Cardone brand)..
what's wrong with A1 parts?
read some reviews. even on zilvia. they fail within months or even days sometimes.
aymaeid
02-27-2014, 09:48 AM
s13 and s14 steering racks are interchangeable. THe only thing is that you need to buy the matching passenger side bushing.
s13 rack-> s13 right side bushing
s14 rack-> with s14 right side bushing
I have an s13 with and I'm using an s14 steering rack and pinion.
how sure are you of this. Can someone please confirm?
mad-ass
02-27-2014, 12:09 PM
^That is correct as far as the bushing goes. all you have to do is buy the energy suspension bushing kit for the steering rack and problem solved. $20 or so on those bushings.
But also, S14 had higher rating pump, so I would advice against using S13 rack in S14. the other way around is perfectly fine(S14 rack in S13).
I did see the reviews, but they are all over few years old. now I don't even know which rack to buy since the shopsteeringracks.com e-mailed you back on it...
aymaeid
02-27-2014, 12:32 PM
^That is correct as far as the bushing goes. all you have to do is buy the energy suspension bushing kit for the steering rack and problem solved. $20 or so on those bushings.
But also, S14 had higher rating pump, so I would advice against using S13 rack in S14. the other way around is perfectly fine(S14 rack in S13).
I did see the reviews, but they are all over few years old. now I don't even know which rack to buy since the shopsteeringracks.com e-mailed you back on it...
same here. im stumped. at this point i cant even find the A1 rack even if i wanted it. they discontinued remanufacturing them in 2012. If you are to call any site or parts store that has them in stock they will quickly tell you its no longer offered. (despite it being "in stock" on many sites)
at this point my only option is that ebay RAP. which im very hisitant to purchase.
DJ 21o3
02-27-2014, 01:34 PM
How hard is it to rebuild one? I ask because my rack has seen better days and I was thinking of going to a S14 rack.
aymaeid
02-27-2014, 02:59 PM
How hard is it to rebuild one? I ask because my rack has seen better days and I was thinking of going to a S14 rack.
from what ive read in zilvia its fairly difficult. not many people have the skill to tackle the rebuild. i definately do not.
dudermagee
02-27-2014, 03:51 PM
Think I might start looking into this
Alamo_City_210
02-27-2014, 04:44 PM
from what ive read in zilvia its fairly difficult. not many people have the skill to tackle the rebuild. i definately do not.
Why do you need to replace your steering rack? leaking? I ask cause if so, there is a rebuild kit at pskits.com and its shows it only about $51.85. The FSM shows how to disassemble it. I'd say go for it and try if "leaking" is your issue. $50 learing experience. If i were in the same boat, i would try. Fortunately, my rack is working well.
fliprayzin240sx
02-27-2014, 05:50 PM
Well, fuck me...I need a rack when I get back this summer. My current rack got this notch to it where it would get stuck at a certain point when turning right.
mad-ass
02-27-2014, 05:52 PM
I was thinking about that..but how ever if I mess it up to the point where I can't fix the issue and no longer serviceable on my car...than now I am back to square 1 with worst case scenario, leaking rack that no longer works!(at least I have a rack that leaks and works ATM..lmao)
everyone says "yes, go ahead and rebuild it, FSM tells you how" it's not that simple.
Alamo_City_210
02-27-2014, 06:00 PM
"Everyone" is not rebuilding your rack though, you are. Sounds blunt but I don't mean it that way. Just read the FSM until you understand it and take your time. Only way to learn. That's why I say its a $50 learning experience. If you mess up, you were going to buy a new rack to begin with anyways. And you really can't say "its not that simple" if you've never even tried. :)
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codyace
02-27-2014, 06:03 PM
^That is correct as far as the bushing goes. all you have to do is buy the energy suspension bushing kit for the steering rack and problem solved. $20 or so on those bushings.
But also, S14 had higher rating pump, so I would advice against using S13 rack in S14. the other way around is perfectly fine(S14 rack in S13).
I did see the reviews, but they are all over few years old. now I don't even know which rack to buy since the shopsteeringracks.com e-mailed you back on it...
While I've never rebuilt a rack, I can say that my S14 has an S13 rack in it, and has now for 2 seasons of track (road race, not drift) usage. No worries/issues/qualms.
advance auto parts special order - $135 + core
racepar1
02-27-2014, 07:05 PM
Nobody rebuilds racks, P/S pumps, axles, etc... in your area??? In the LA/SFV area there are TONS of rebuilders... Search yellow pages online or some shit and find a rebuilder. Then if the rack is a POS you can go and get it warrantied.
marks14
02-27-2014, 07:36 PM
I had the same problem trying to get a rebuilt rack a few months ago. Everywhere I called said they weren't in stock, or I would have o ship my rack to have it rebuillt. I took the $40 risk, and rebuilt the rack myself. It actually is much easier to rebuild than it is rumored to be. Just follow the fsm and take your time. Also search google on instructions to rebuild the 300zx rack, it is very similar to the s14 rack and someone has a writeup with pictures. Also replacing the Teflon seals sounds scary, but just heat the new ones up with a heat gun to make them flexible, and they pop right in.
racepar1
02-27-2014, 10:29 PM
I had the same problem trying to get a rebuilt rack a few months ago. Everywhere I called said they weren't in stock, or I would have o ship my rack to have it rebuillt. I took the $40 risk, and rebuilt the rack myself. It actually is much easier to rebuild than it is rumored to be. Just follow the fsm and take your time. Also search google on instructions to rebuild the 300zx rack, it is very similar to the s14 rack and someone has a writeup with pictures. Also replacing the Teflon seals sounds scary, but just heat the new ones up with a heat gun to make them flexible, and they pop right in.
The ONLY difficult part is setting the pre-load on the rack gear. Other than that it's pretty easy. Really you could get away with just changing the end seals on the rack gear. The Teflon seals on the spool valve hardly ever go bad. Generally they just start leaking from the end seals on the rack gear.
Chaluska
02-28-2014, 06:46 AM
budget is around $300. I was looking at the one you found from ebay, my only concern is that its ebay.....
eBay now manufacturers car parts?
aymaeid
02-28-2014, 08:32 AM
Nobody rebuilds racks, P/S pumps, axles, etc... in your area??? In the LA/SFV area there are TONS of rebuilders... Search yellow pages online or some shit and find a rebuilder. Then if the rack is a POS you can go and get it warrantied.
i cant find a rebuilder for the life of me. what would i be searching for? ive simply asked local shops and none of them do.
I will most likely be tackling the rebuild myself after looking at some videos and the FSM.
Rustys14
02-28-2014, 08:52 AM
I've gone the eBay route for steering racks twice now. I ordered from the same seller (Detroit Axle) both times since they seemed to have the best pricing and I have not had any issues with either of their reman units. The one in my s14 was going strong for over 20k miles until I got rear-ended and I just got one for my new coupe as well. I haven't put much mileage on the new one but it seems to be holding up fine.
I also tried to rebuild one myself that ended up being a disaster, its simple enough to do but it didn't last very long. I'm not sure if it was something I did or the kit I used though.
aymaeid
02-28-2014, 10:39 AM
I've gone the eBay route for steering racks twice now. I ordered from the same seller (Detroit Axle) both times since they seemed to have the best pricing and I have not had any issues with either of their reman units. The one in my s14 was going strong for over 20k miles until I got rear-ended and I just got one for my new coupe as well. I haven't put much mileage on the new one but it seems to be holding up fine.
I also tried to rebuild one myself that ended up being a disaster, its simple enough to do but it didn't last very long. I'm not sure if it was something I did or the kit I used though.
ill keep detroit axle in mind. thank you.
aymaeid
02-28-2014, 10:42 AM
TO ALL: i just got off the phone with vinnie from detroit axle. also out of stock indefinately.
racepar1
02-28-2014, 08:04 PM
i cant find a rebuilder for the life of me. what would i be searching for? ive simply asked local shops and none of them do.
I will most likely be tackling the rebuild myself after looking at some videos and the FSM.
It's really pretty simple, if you're having that much difficulty I say go for it. Local auto shops in your area SHOULD know of rebuilders. You could try googling "remanufactured steering racks" and your zip code as well.
schoja
03-01-2014, 09:36 AM
Why not just try the rebuild? The worst that could happen is you could lose steering while your driving. But that probably won't happen. If the kit is only around $50 or so I would go for it. Then post your results on how it went :)
mad-ass
03-01-2014, 10:53 AM
^etyuet7iei and schoja...
clearly didn't read the thread what so ever but the fucking title of the thread.
and whoa mother fucker excuse me, the worst that can happen is you loose steering while your driving? you mean possible cause of death? you throw that rebuild word out like you do this shit for a living. post up an actual guide that someone has done on one of these on a 240 for a change instead of saying "FSM has the guide"
DJ 21o3
03-01-2014, 11:35 AM
^etyuet7iei and schoja...
clearly didn't read the thread what so ever but the fucking title of the thread.
Pretty sure Etyuet7iei is a spam bot. Look at join date, yet he randomly post on different crap. Hopefully they can just block his IP.
wkpainter
03-01-2014, 01:40 PM
Hey, have you tried autopartswarehouse? They are showing a brand "maval" that is listing as more expensive than they offer the s13 A1. Give them a call... Should be worth a shot. Autopartswarehouse.com
ModernMars
03-01-2014, 02:16 PM
I heard about these guys, I have never dealt with them before though.
http://www.steerandsave.com/products?search=240sx
RedRedWine
03-01-2014, 08:09 PM
Found this on frsport It is a little out of budget for the OP and as well for an s13 but may be another option for you or others.
http://www.frsport.com/FRSPORT-49200-53F00X-Nissan-Power-Steering-Rack---Pinion--lefthand-S13--Rebuilt_p_3103.html
DanielS14
03-01-2014, 09:24 PM
http://shop.rackdoctor.net/Nissan-240SX_c301.htm
nujabe
03-01-2014, 09:50 PM
I found mine from a nissan auto recker. That's the easiest way
akaina240
03-04-2014, 10:35 AM
i got quoted $880 to replace my rack and pinion on my current car. Do most shops rebuild it and replace it or just install a new one?
aymaeid
03-04-2014, 10:53 AM
i got quoted $880 to replace my rack and pinion on my current car. Do most shops rebuild it and replace it or just install a new one?
880 is too much.
a local shop is rebuilding my existing rack, adding new Tien inner and outer tie rods, aligning it, and installing my pre-purchased control arms and tension rods for less than 800.
The Rebuilt racks online are AT MOST $400. i cant imagine the other $480 just being labor. (mind you some racks are around $230- with no core charge)
i would recommend finding another shop.
and to answer your question most shops used to simply purchase re-manufactured ones, but with the discontinuation of so many brands over the years they now tend to just get your existing rack rebuilt.
akaina240
03-04-2014, 12:31 PM
880 is too much.
a local shop is rebuilding my existing rack, adding new Tien inner and outer tie rods, aligning it, and installing my pre-purchased control arms and tension rods for less than 800.
The Rebuilt racks online are AT MOST $400. i cant imagine the other $480 just being labor. (mind you some racks are around $230- with no core charge)
i would recommend finding another shop.
and to answer your question most shops used to simply purchase re-manufactured ones, but with the discontinuation of so many brands over the years they now tend to just get your existing rack rebuilt.
Yeah ive shopped around and I went to a shop run by a lot of 240guys and they quoted me 1500. Then another shop was 1200, so the guys at auto aiwa for 880ish seemed like a good deal.
I dont mind paying a hefty fee for labor because damn I would hate to spend the time doing it.
So would you say its cheaper and better to rebuild your current rack and pinion? Or better to buy one online and have them install it?
aymaeid
03-04-2014, 12:52 PM
Yeah ive shopped around and I went to a shop run by a lot of 240guys and they quoted me 1500. Then another shop was 1200, so the guys at auto aiwa for 880ish seemed like a good deal.
I dont mind paying a hefty fee for labor because damn I would hate to spend the time doing it.
So would you say its cheaper and better to rebuild your current rack and pinion? Or better to buy one online and have them install it?
ive never tackled the rebuild myself but hopefully someone who can can chime in and answer.
But $880 for even an OEM rack installed is just a rape price.
No local shop quoted me over $600. so i cant understand why the RAP install would be so expensive, rebuilt or not.
omgosh
03-04-2014, 02:23 PM
Ive rebuilt a S13 rack with no problems, first time..also a couple Mitsu racks which are similar.
Then I tried an S14 rack and everything went smoothly till I got to the driver's side rack seal. That thing is press fit really deep in the rack tube, and you have to press it out the longer side without scratching the inside surface where the rack piston slides around. Good luck with that shit, I destroyed my rack, and I was being super careful.
I would just get an S13 rack and not worry about it if you cant find the 14. I have run an S14 pump on multiple S13 racks with no issue for years.
aymaeid
03-04-2014, 02:26 PM
I would just get an S13 rack and not worry about it if you cant find the 14. I have run an S14 pump on multiple S13 racks with no issue for years.
good to know. thanks
codyace
03-04-2014, 10:01 PM
good to know. thanks
i'll mimic this with many track miles and no issues on a s13 rack in s14 too
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