evo 9 turbo?

[garrettanda]

Does anyone know if a eve 9 turbo will bolt up to a stock sr20det black top?

[hobbs]

Sure, make sure you have a couple tubes of JB weld.

[garrettanda]

Would that actually hold lol

[sleepyS14se]

no he is BS'ing you man....


do YOU think jb weld would work? no


i am assuming you have either received or bought a evo 9 turbo for cheap... sell it and get a normal t28 or whatever you choose

[garrettanda]

Lol I know he was bsing me I was just curious to see I'm not near my car at the moment and the manifold and turbo is already off of it I was just curious! The t28 that much better than the stocker?

[sleepyS14se]

turbo and manifold is off of what?

What car do you have? 13 or s14? what engine do you have. tell us everything..lol

[garrettanda]

Haha okay s13 with a sr20 black top just picked it up.. Was running a bit rich and doing the jerky movements thing right before it hits boost. So last night took off the manifold everything checked the turbo it's fine replacing the o2 sensor and coolant temp sensor and checking every little vac line and coupler for leaks :/ still nothing as far as I know the car was not tuned lots is half ass jobs are bein found though... I saw from the beginning the wiring was bad :/ but when we pulled the manifold off we saw that the motor mount was half way on �� so the more I take apart the more fun this should be! Lol. I was just asking because I'm new to the 240 game And he was pretty much going to give me a evo 9 turbo any help on that issue is appreciated haha thanks

[sleepyS14se]

IDK enough about turbos to give you any use-able. <---- this should be a sign to atop reading now and find some better usable info lol.

I think a t25 is the original garret turbo used on OEM sr20det.

the s15 silvia used a t28 ball bearing turbo made by garret and that i know for a fact is a good turbo.

i am looking into a garret t25 to put on my ka24 til i get my 350 situated

[Livinstrong]

I believe the Evo turbo is a different flange than a T25. The bolt pattern and exhaust opening is different (square on T2 vs. Circular on Evo/TD0x turbos).

[bigdnno98]

The EVO 9 turbo is twin scroll. Not sure if the SR was but I didn't think so. The EVO 9 turbine housing will not bold up to a T25 flange though.

[K_style]

Holy shit this tread is filled with nonsense and idiotic.

turbo and manifold is off of what?

What car do you have? 13 or s14? what engine do you have. tell us everything..lol

Does it matter what car he has to answer his question??

IDK enough about turbos to give you any use-able. <---- this should be a sign to atop reading now and find some better usable info lol.

I think a t25 is the original garret turbo used on OEM sr20det.

the s15 silvia used a t28 ball bearing turbo made by garret and that i know for a fact is a good turbo.

i am looking into a garret t25 to put on my ka24 til i get my 350 situated

Please leave your opinion out if you don't know the facts.

You even said your self, "IDK enough about turbos" then you should really study more rather than giving useless answer to OP.

I believe the Evo turbo is a different flange than a T25. The bolt pattern and exhaust opening is different (square on T2 vs. Circular on Evo/TD0x turbos).

No, Evo turbos do not have circular inlet flange.

The EVO 9 turbo is twin scroll. Not sure if the SR was but I didn't think so. The EVO 9 turbine housing will not bold up to a T25 flange though.

You are correct but you are "not sure" if the SR turbo was twinscroll or not?
Why bother post anything if you are not Certain?

You "can" use twinscroll turbo/manifold to non-twinscroll turbo/manifold as long as both have same flanges.
Effective performance, reliability, etc could be different argument but OP is asking strictly "fitment" anyways.


Back to OP,

T25/28 uses standard Garrett 4 bolt inlet flange and 5 bolt outlet.
http://trendgears.com/ebay/MiragePower/Turbo/Turbo-T25T28-001.jpg
http://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/93467-97-montego-sr20-t25-turbo-build-20131031_234520_zps5a2372fd-jpg?dateline=1383319459

However, Evo uses Mitsubishi turbo which has different 4 bolt pattern inlet flange as well as different 5 bolt pattern outlet.
http://www.full-race.com/store/images/full/mitsubishi-evo-4-9-4g63-prostock-turbo-kit-content-5.jpg
http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/titek_outlet_pipe_evo.jpg

Not to mention compressor side is also different but not as headache as exhaust side.

Bottom line, No, evo turbo will not "Bolt on" to your SR20DET unless you spend waste money on customizing the manifold, down pipe etc. In addition, oil lines and water lines won't work on evo turbo either.

BTW, I found those pictures on google and I spent less than a couple minutes to do it.

[VegasDrifterS13]

Holy shit this tread is filled with nonsense and idiotic.



Does it matter what car he has to answer his question??



Please leave your opinion out if you don't know the facts.

You even said your self, "IDK enough about turbos" then you should really study more rather than giving useless answer to OP.



No, Evo turbos do not have circular inlet flange.



You are correct but you are "not sure" if the SR turbo was twinscroll or not?
Why bother post anything if you are Certain?

You "can" use twinscroll turbo/manifold to non-twinscroll turbo/manifold as long as both have same flanges.
Effective performance, reliability, etc could be different argument but OP is asking strictly "fitment" anyways.


Back to OP,

T25/28 uses standard Garrett 4 bolt inlet flange and 5 bolt outlet.
http://trendgears.com/ebay/MiragePower/Turbo/Turbo-T25T28-001.jpg
http://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/93467-97-montego-sr20-t25-turbo-build-20131031_234520_zps5a2372fd-jpg?dateline=1383319459

However, Evo uses Mitsubishi turbo which has different 4 bolt pattern inlet flange as well as different 5 bolt pattern outlet.
http://www.full-race.com/store/images/full/mitsubishi-evo-4-9-4g63-prostock-turbo-kit-content-5.jpg
http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/titek_outlet_pipe_evo.jpg

Not to mention compressor side is also different but not as headache as exhaust side.

Bottom line, No, evo turbo will not "Bolt on" to your SR20DET unless you spend waste money on customizing the manifold, down pipe etc. In addition, oil lines and water lines won't work on evo turbo either.

BTW, I found those pictures on google and I spent less than a couple minutes to do it.

:thumbup::beer::cool:

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[Jites]

They ae good turbo's though, twin scroll and able to handle high boost far better than a stock T28. The T28 (in scotland, we get 99 ron so thats what we tune cars with) can run 1.3 bar max, usually get 300+ (at the fly) out of them if pushed to that. run that boost on an Evo 9 turbo with twin scroll it will respond at least as quickly but with the added power. You should easily in the states with your fuel get over 350 at high boost (over 1.3 bar) so ive you can get a manifold and turbo elbow made cheap enough and turbo for free your already looking at 2871 performance.

But if you want a bolt on and go turbo with no fuss get a t28r (the ball bearing one from an S15) they are pretty decent and proven to work awesome with bolt on parts. you wont have to change anything if your car came with a t25 apart from the tune to run more boost :)

[K_style]

They ae good turbo's though, twin scroll and able to handle high boost far better than a stock T28. The T28 (in scotland, we get 99 ron so thats what we tune cars with) can run 1.3 bar max, usually get 300+ (at the fly) out of them if pushed to that. run that boost on an Evo 9 turbo with twin scroll it will respond at least as quickly but with the added power. You should easily in the states with your fuel get over 350 at high boost (over 1.3 bar) so ive you can get a manifold and turbo elbow made cheap enough and turbo for free your already looking at 2871 performance.

But if you want a bolt on and go turbo with no fuss get a t28r (the ball bearing one from an S15) they are pretty decent and proven to work awesome with bolt on parts. you wont have to change anything if your car came with a t25 apart from the tune to run more boost :)

Thanks for your input, but how awesome Evo turbos are not really the fucking point here.

if you or anyone like Mitsubishi turbos them why hell not just get TD06 or TD05 that is made for SR rather than customizing 20 different things to make the EVO turbo work on SR?

Unless of course you like challenges and have an awesome fabrication skills but OP doesn't seem have have both.

[K_style]

Here you go, here is the fact sheet about Mitsu OEM Turbos. Read it if you like.

If you are super fan of EVO turbos, get Mitsubishi turbos for the SR and change the CHRA with EVO turbo or just change the compressor/exhaust wheels or whatever.

Those journal bearing turbos are ridiculously cheap to rebuild anyways.



Mitsubishi OEM Turbo Specifications

Flow Rates @ 15psi:
TDO4-9B-6CM2 265 CFM
TDO5-12A-8CM2 320 CFM
TDO4-13G-5CM2 360 CFM
TEO4-13C-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-13G-6CM2 360 CFM
TDO4L-15C-8.5CM2 390 CFM
TDO5H-14B-6CM2 405 CFM
TDO5H-14G-8CM2 465 CFM
TDO5H-16G-7CM2 505 CFM
TDO5H-16G-10CM2 505 CFM
TDO6-17C-8CM2 550 CFM
TDO6H-20G-14CM2 650 CFM
TDO7S-25G-17CM2 850 CFM
TFO8L-30V-18CM2 1200 CFM

Max Output:
TD05-14B (stock 1st gen) 275-300hp @ 21 psi
TD05-16G (small) 345-365hp @ 22 psi
TD06-16G (large) 365-385hp @ 22 psi
TD06-20G 430-450hp @ 22 psi
T25 (stock 2nd gen) 235-250hp @ ?? psi
T3 (super 60)/T2.5 hybrid 265-280hp @ ?? psi
T3 (super 60)/T2.8 hybrid 270-320hp @ ?? psi

Evolution 1
Turbo = TDO5H–16G-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
Exhaust turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 60mm wide

Evolution 2
Turbo = TDO5H–16G-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 60mm wide


Evolution 3
Turbo = TD05H–16G6-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 4
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9T
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 5
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-10.5T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (RS)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy), Titanium alloy (RS)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 6
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-10.5T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (RS/rs2)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5
Turbine = GSR - Inconel (steel alloy), Titanium alloy (RS/RS2)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 6 : Tommi Makinen Edition
Turbo = TD05RA-15GK2-10.5T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (RS/rs2)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5
Turbine = Titanium alloy for both RS/RS2/GSR!
Compressor = Aluminium, 65mm (gsr) - 68mm(rs) wide


Evolution 7
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9.8T (GSR)
TD05HRA-16G6-9.8T (RS/RS2)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.8
Turbine = GSR - Inconel (steel alloy), RS/Rs2=Titanium alloy
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 7 GTA
Turbo = TD05-15GK2-9.0T
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.0
Turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium, 65mm wide


Evolution 8
Turbo = TD05HR-16G6-9.8T (GSR / USDM)
TD05HRA-16G6-9.8T (RS/RS2 & NZDM) or 6MT:TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (model unknown)
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 9.8
Turbine = USDM EVO 8 & JDM GSR =Inconel (steel alloy),
RS=Titanium alloy.
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide

Evolution MR aka "8.5"
GSR = TD05HR-16G6-10.5T or TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T (Ti Alloy option)
RS = 6MT:TD05HRA-16G6-10.5T or 5MT:TD05HRA-16G6-9.8T
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5 or 9.8(RS-5speed)
Compressor = Aluminium, 68mm wide


Evolution 9
USDM & JDM = TD05HRA-16G6C-10.5T
Turbine: GSR / GT = Inconel alloy, RS = Titanium alloy
Compressor: GSR / GT = Aluminium, RS = Magnesium Alloy
(??) mm wide (to be verified.)

Nozzle Area (cm2) = 10.5 (note: to be confirmed that RS 5MT has 10.5)

RS E9 turbo part number 1515A059 (approx cost 250,000 yen from Mitsi Japan). *Warning* There are reports of RS magnesium compressor wheel failing if boosted above stock boost.

More Evo 9 Turbo info:
... * New more efficient & larger Compressor preventing compressor surge
... * Better pump gas efficiency
... * Turbine Nozzle Area (cm2) = Large 10.5 Hotside (single flapper)
... * Improve actuator design

Side by side comparison E8 v E9 turbos (E9 is on the left and E8 on the right):

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/326/e9vse8turbocomparo0hq.jpg

Twin scroll design

All Evo 4-8 Turbos are twin scroll designs meaning that the engines exhaust is divided into two channels (see first pic). As the engine exhausts in pulses.. its supposed to result in quicker spooling. From the Evo 4 onwards, the Turbo spins in the opposite direction, i.e. Anticlockwise (hence the R in the turbo name). The Titanium Alumnide alloy used in the RS/RS2 and some GSRS (factory option) has less inertia and thus spins up around 500 rpm sooner. These Titanium turbos can be indentified by the A in their name.

Primary source of data: http://www.nzevo.com/index.php?name=...iewtopic&p=188

[Jites]

Thanks for your input, but how awesome Evo turbos are not really the fucking point here.

if you or anyone like Mitsubishi turbos them why hell not just get TD06 or TD05 that is made for SR rather than customizing 20 different things to make the EVO turbo work on SR?

Unless of course you like challenges and have an awesome fabrication skills but OP doesn't seem have have both.

He can get a FREE turbo though, why the hell not make it fit if its better than stock but like you say if hes not got the skills or a friend who can fabricate maybe not.

[K_style]

He can get a FREE turbo though, why the hell not make it fit if its better than stock but like you say if hes not got the skills or a friend who can fabricate maybe not.

I understand it. But this is not the first time I have seen or heard this kind of situation.

Hell, I even tried to make WRX turbo on my friend's Tiburon back in 2005. Yes the turbo was free. but ended up spending more money on fabricating all other shit.

If I was OP, I'd get that turbo for free and sell it to EVO 7/8 guys or DSM guys and buy a proper fit turbo for SR.

But again, that's just my opinion.

[Jites]

True, i guess it depends free + fabrication or pay cash for something that will just bolt on. will always be debate if thats the case between people who can and cant make things work.

I totally bum evo turbos though... sorry about that.

[5280VertDET]

So, EVO 9 turbos are valued at around $300 to 500 from what I can find.

Then you would have to pay someone to custom make a mani and DP with the customer flanges. Maybe, $600 to $1200 (assuming you can source raw flanges w/o hacking up SR/EVO mani's)

Custom water/oil lines $50-150

Tune $50-200

Piggy or Stand alone $150 to 1500

But, you would have a quick twinscroll and a unique set up for around $2000.

or

But the Full Race Twin Scroll set up for $3300 +/- with a bigger turbo, new intercooler and WG and KNOWN quality fab work.

Nissan SR20DET Twin Scroll Turbo Kit - Full-Race.com (http://www.full-race.com/store/turbo-hardware-kits/nissan-sr20det-twinscroll-turbo-hardware-kit1.html)

My 2cents: Sell the EVO 9 TC and buy a T28 or ISIS RS3871 around $500.

Good luck.


If I was OP, I'd get that turbo for free and sell it to EVO 7/8 guys or DSM guys and buy a proper fit turbo for SR.

But again, that's just my opinion.

^ Truth.