S13 hatch wheel fitment/ wide body 18x11 18x12.5

[Khoda]

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[Khoda]

Okay, let me first start with if you have no valid input with help, please do not post in this thread. I am not looking for the people that say this can't be done or don't do it, any work that is needed is going to be done to make this work.

Now with that said!

I need some input with fitment/ wide body on my s13. I am looking for the stretch poke fitment. Below are my specs as of now. I am looking for another set of tires for more of a stretch with keeping it safe as a DD. Still need to cut the rear fenders above the body line, if anyone can do a quick line of how high I can cut side to side and up that would be great!

Front
Fender: 30mm
Rim: 18x11
Et: -1 with 10mm spacer ( final et -11 need spacers to clear 300zx brakes)
Tire: 245/35
Camber: -4 ( can't go more unless I still the coil for camber)

Rear
Fender: 50mm
Rim:18x12.5
Et: -18 ( with 4mm spacers final -22)
Tire: 285/30
Camber: -1.5 ( can't go more)


Thank you for your help!




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[PoorMans180SX]

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/392494-wheel-fitment-question-thread.html

:lockd: :lockd: :lockd:

[Khoda]

In that thread there is way too much going on, I am looking for help on fitment and help with the wide body. This is just not will it fit, also in that thread I looked for help and got " won't fit" "won't turn" ect. So really didnt get any help from there if you look I asked many times.

Thanks for the link but! I already searched :)


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[zooopreme]

Nobody is special enough to get their own thread esepcially if it fits the criteria of posted thread. This will get locked up and I'm sure that if you're not a douche, somebody will help you out in that thread.

[Khoda]

Nobody is special enough to get their own thread esepcially if it fits the criteria of posted thread. This will get locked up and I'm sure that if you're not a douche, somebody will help you out in that thread.

Well this thread is for my over fenders and fitment question. I hope I can get some help. I will try posting in the fitment thread again and see what I get..

But if anyone has any ideas in here that would be great!

Thanks again!


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[Jfitzg38]

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/392494-wheel-fitment-question-thread.html

:lockd: :lockd: :lockd:

Exactly /msglngth

[NAIRB]

You are not going to get any help, post the question in the correct thread.

[harangatang]

If you had actually done some decent research, everything you could possibly want to know about fitment and installing overs is on this forum. Do some digging. Don't fit in with the norm that has become Zilvia as of late.

Now, I wont say 18x11 wont turn, cause I ran 11jj-7 in the front on my kouki and could hit full lock. On stock pulled fenders. But it ain't gonna be fun.
Wanna know if you cut the rears enough? Jack the wheel up all the way and see if it will clear..
Anything can fit. Depends on how much camber you wanna run, and how big your balls are to DD on those stretched tires.

[derass]

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/129865-wheel-fitment-whore-thread-stretch-flush-no-specs-no-post.html

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/166563-maximum-tire-rubber-fitment-thread.html

search those 2 threads to see if/how others have done a similar setup

[Khoda]

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/129865-wheel-fitment-whore-thread-stretch-flush-no-specs-no-post.html

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/166563-maximum-tire-rubber-fitment-thread.html

search those 2 threads to see if/how others have done a similar setup

I have looked can't find anything with this sizing and I have asked like I said and got nothing... Just asked again so we will see..


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[Khoda]

I am looking for help on fitment and help with the wide body. http://esmallgame.com/11c.jpg

The links above would probably be a big help for you since your sizings are probably nothing like mine. Take a look in there.


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[sleepyS14se]

Nobody is special enough to get their own thread esepcially if it fits the criteria of posted thread. This will get locked up and I'm sure that if you're not a douche, somebody will help you out in that thread.

dude i am reporting you to a mod, you seem to have a problem with everyone who makes a thread.

I agree this belongs in the wheel/tire thread.




What is the point of having such huge wheels?

[brndck]

dude i am reporting you to a mod, you seem to have a problem with everyone who makes a thread.

I agree this belongs in the wheel/tire thread.




What is the point of having such huge wheels?

Hahahaha "I'm reporting you to a mod because you want other people to follow the rules". What the shit???

[Khoda]

dude i am reporting you to a mod, you seem to have a problem with everyone who makes a thread.

I agree this belongs in the wheel/tire thread.




What is the point of having such huge wheels?


Once again I asked and have got nothing from the wheel/tire thread.... What's the point of a area to ask questions and not get help..? And I reposted it there with still, no real help on the fitment part of it.

Also the wheels are not really big, they are 18's they are more wide, reason for that is I can still get the stretch tire look I want and also still have some major meat on them. Also for the fact that it grips like no other if I am looking to drove it with out kicking the back end out. And finally it looks bad a$$ in my opinion having major dish and a nice bubble butt :)


Bump to anyone that knows this kind of fitment..

Thanks for the responses and keeping it on topic.


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[sleepyS14se]

Hahahaha "I'm reporting you to a mod because you want other people to follow the rules". What the shit???

every single time someone posts he complains and tell them not to make a thread.

you zilvians need to get your heads outta ya asses and get right and act respectful to one another...why is everyone so GD hostile on this forum.

[Khoda]

If you had actually done some decent research, everything you could possibly want to know about fitment and installing overs is on this forum. Do some digging. Don't fit in with the norm that has become Zilvia as of late.

Now, I wont say 18x11 wont turn, cause I ran 11jj-7 in the front on my kouki and could hit full lock. On stock pulled fenders. But it ain't gonna be fun.
Wanna know if you cut the rears enough? Jack the wheel up all the way and see if it will clear..
Anything can fit. Depends on how much camber you wanna run, and how big your balls are to DD on those stretched tires.

Like I sated I have looked and can't find this in there.

I will use the method and jack it up and see if it bottoms out on anything. I just want to make sure it's going to clear the over fender too before I install it.

I ran 205 30 on a 9.75 inch rim, I have no problem DD stretched tires, I feel like Cali has some good roads, and I really try to stay away from the harsh areas!


Thanks!


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[MidwestMyriad]

RIMTUCK.com - Search (http://www.rimtuck.com/search)

Cut this much
http://ziptied.com/Coppermine/albums/userpics/10183/38200711118AM82981.jpg

[Khoda]

RIMTUCK.com - Search (http://www.rimtuck.com/search)

Cut this much
http://ziptied.com/Coppermine/albums/userpics/10183/38200711118AM82981.jpg

Cool link, will work for many others but there is none with my size on there, only one that has 11" up front so I will use that, guessing a 235 40 will do the trick, he was running. -6 tho... But I think he had the same 30mm fender.

Thanks for the link!


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[brian310]

be careful in the front with the spacers and 40 series tire. youll fuck the srub area up and wont be able to get full lock. happened to me with my s14.
as for the over fenders you need to cut more like the pic above.and probably shave the inner lip of the overfender off

and have fun paying for tires lmfao i got rid of my baller wheels because the cost of DD'ing on wide ass tires isnt worth it!

[chuckawu]

I am looking for help on fitment and help with the wide body.http://esmallgame.com/11c.jpg

[Khoda]

I am looking for help on fitment and help with the wide body.http://esmallgame.com/11c.jpg

Please don't thread jack. There are links in here that can help you.

Thanks


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[fliprayzin240sx]

My advice to you is get the fenders on since you're pretty much committed. First and foremost, get your ride height to where you want it. Get an alignment (atleast even out the rear cambers) so you can use the wheels as a reference when you put your rear fenders on it. Then, BOW living crap out of it because you will need to. You're at the point that you either make it work or you don't.

Its moot but you shouldn't have cut the inner fender like that. Most of the time, people would cut the outer at the body line, pry it off the inner, pull the inner high up to where it meets with the outer again, weld it together and then cut the excess off.

240SX.net ? View topic - How to: Overfender Install!! (http://nissan.240sx.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6998)

As far as the fronts, you'd need more than a 30mm fenders. I still think your fronts are gonna suck fitment wise, I dont see how the hell you're not rubbing at lock unless you're 4x4ing it. I think you need a 50mm front and 70-80mm rears.

[brndck]

every single time someone posts he complains and tell them not to make a thread.

you zilvians need to get your heads outta ya asses and get right and act respectful to one another...why is everyone so GD hostile on this forum.

Because we're tired of jerk-offs who show up, don't read the rules, don't do any research, make redundant threads, etc. And then expect to be spoon fed.
:mepoke:

[Khoda]

My advice to you is get the fenders on since you're pretty much committed. First and foremost, get your ride height to where you want it. Get an alignment (atleast even out the rear cambers) so you can use the wheels as a reference when you put your rear fenders on it. Then, BOW living crap out of it because you will need to. You're at the point that you either make it work or you don't.

Its moot but you shouldn't have cut the inner fender like that. Most of the time, people would cut the outer at the body line, pry it off the inner, pull the inner high up to where it meets with the outer again, weld it together and then cut the excess off.

240SX.net ? View topic - How to: Overfender Install!! (http://nissan.240sx.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6998)

As far as the fronts, you'd need more than a 30mm fenders. I still think your fronts are gonna suck fitment wise, I dont see how the hell you're not rubbing at lock unless you're 4x4ing it. I think you need a 50mm front and 70-80mm rears.

Love this info, thank you!!

Now for the rear I have out the over fender on with tape to see how it looks, it fits? It's close yes but if I shave that inner lip out of the over fender it looks as if it will be fine. This is with my current tire set up.. I am looking for another set up on sizing so I can run a little more stretch so I might not even need to shave the lip of the over fender. Now viewing BOWing it I don't think is needed since it looks tight but will work..?

Now why do you think the front will suck fitment wise? I have seen people do 18x11 on the link that was posted here. They also had the 30mm fenders?


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[Khoda]

Because we're tired of jerk-offs who show up, don't read the rules, don't do any research, make redundant threads, etc. And then expect to be spoon fed.
:mepoke:

This is not spoon fed, this is fitment that I don't see people attempting at all, maybe this thread will help people that do not want to run the common 18x10.5 in the rear and 18x9 in front...?


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[brndck]

But again, we already have multiple wheel fitment threads. /\/\/\

[Black R]

OP, just based on your wheel sizes I'm thinking 80 mm rears are in your future.

Or you could bow the 50mm overs out to 80 maybe if you don't care how crazy it looked.

So basically get the tires mounted on the wheels and cut the stock sheet metal out, then pull the springs out of the coilovers.

Then drop the rear of the car to the max compression on the shocks.

See if that's low enough for you, and then tape the over fenders on and start attaching so that they cover the wheel and fit how you like. This is where the bowing of the overs comes in.

If worst comes to worst, you can always attach flares to your overs... :o

Simple math: there's a guy in the max tire thread on 12" wide +20 offset and 335/30/18, and 50mm overs, but his car isn't that low. And he has an s13 hatch.
Well you're going to poke an extra 42 mm just in negative offset and spacer, and then another 6mm from being 1/2" wider. So if he's on 50mm overs and barely fitting, you need 100mm overs for those wheels.

[Khoda]

OP, just based on your wheel sizes I'm thinking 80 mm rears are in your future.

Or you could bow the 50mm overs out to 80 maybe if you don't care how crazy it looked.

So basically get the tires mounted on the wheels and cut the stock sheet metal out, then pull the springs out of the coilovers.

Then drop the rear of the car to the max compression on the shocks.

See if that's low enough for you, and then tape the over fenders on and start attaching so that they cover the wheel and fit how you like. This is where the bowing of the overs comes in.

If worst comes to worst, you can always attach flares to your overs... :o

Never thought about taking out the spring of the coil! That's a great idea.

I'm going to take out my other car from the garage and get s13 inside and start to cut out more. I already have it cut right now but want to go higher... I will also tape the fender on and see. Right now I don't think bowing is going to be needed BUT I can be wrong.


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[Khoda]

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Here are photos for reference. Again I wanna stretch the rear more!!


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[Black R]

Fronts is next:

I've been running 265/35/18 up front on 9.5" wide and +20 offset.
I can't go any lower offset bc the wheel will touch the springs on the coilovers.

I have tein angle spacer on the rack and hit all over the inner fenders and have rolled and pulled the stock fenders. Just in negative offset and spacer, you're eating up 31mm.
And your wheel is wider, so it will poke an additional 18mm.
So you'll need 50mm front fenders.

[Black R]

* on both of my posts above, I haven't taken into account your stretched tires.

You will gain some clearance from that alone, but it's hard for me to estimate because all tires are different.

If I were you, I'd be putting 335's in the rear and 315's up front.

Good luck!

[Khoda]

Fronts is next:

I've been running 265/35/18 up front on 9.5" wide and +20 offset.
I can't go any lower offset bc the wheel will touch the springs on the coilovers.

I have tein angle spacer on the rack and hit all over the inner fenders and have rolled and pulled the stock fenders. Just in negative offset and spacer, you're eating up 31mm.
And your wheel is wider, so it will poke an additional 18mm.
So you'll need 50mm front fenders.

The links above have people running -7 18x11 with 30mm fenders 3.5 camber.. So something is wrong in the math of all this.

What's the smallest tire I can fit on the front rim and still be... Semi safe lol


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[shalezzz]

Fronts is next:

I've been running 265/35/18 up front on 9.5" wide and +20 offset.
I can't go any lower offset bc the wheel will touch the springs on the coilover.

you can go with a lower offset that will push the wheel further from the coil. a higher offest will bring the wheel closer to the coil.
for instance youll have more clearance between wheel and coil with a 17x9.5 +6 compared to a 17x9.5+35

i just dont wanna see the op by shitty wheels due to a post but this thread should really be locked

[Khoda]

you can go with a lower offset that will push the wheel further from the coil. a higher offest will bring the wheel closer to the coil.
for instance youll have more clearance between wheel and coil with a 17x9.5 +6 compared to a 17x9.5+35

i just dont wanna see the op by shitty wheels due to a post but this thread should really be locked

Shalezzz thanks for your post: but as stated there is no one els that is doing this kind of fitment that I have seen. Again as I have said I asked this in the wheel and tire thread and still have not got any input.. What and where and I supposed to go if a sight for s13's aren't helping out with questions? I am all for following the rules but I believe this topic will help others that have the same questions down the line.


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[Khoda]

* on both of my posts above, I haven't taken into account your stretched tires.

You will gain some clearance from that alone, but it's hard for me to estimate because all tires are different.

If I were you, I'd be putting 335's in the rear and 315's up front.

Good luck!

Perfect, I am doing the stretch tires look so that will be a big help.

The tires I have posted in the first post is what I currently have. 245 in front and 285 in the rear I think. I want to go smaller on both of those so the 335 and 315 is not really for me. If the car was not my dd and just for sliding I would have no problem with doing that bowing the fenders and giving it a ls1 and calling it a day. :)


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[Black R]

you can go with a lower offset that will push the wheel further from the coil. a higher offest will bring the wheel closer to the coil.
for instance youll have more clearance between wheel and coil with a 17x9.5 +6 compared to a 17x9.5+35

i just dont wanna see the op by shitty wheels due to a post but this thread should really be locked


Sorry that was a typo, but it should have been evident by the rest of my post.

I meant higher offset.

And by the look of things, the OP has already purchased these ill fitting wheels.

[Black R]

The links above have people running -7 18x11 with 30mm fenders 3.5 camber.. So something is wrong in the math of all this.

What's the smallest tire I can fit on the front rim and still be... Semi safe lol


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The tire is the difference. The math is solid.

Check it yourself on willtheyfit.com

[shalezzz]

Again as I have said I asked this in the wheel and tire thread and still have not got any input.. What and where and I supposed to go if a sight for s13's aren't helping out with questions? Tapatalk (http://tapatalk.com/m?id=1)

heres 9 cars with the similiar size wheels. just subtract 12.5 from the offset and that will give you a 12.5 inch wheel so 18x12.5 +13 is basically 18x12+0
RIMTUCK.com - Search Results - Data (http://www.rimtuck.com/search/datasheet&make=Nissan&model=S13&diameterf=18&widthf=10&diameterr=18&widthr=12&sort=1)
people are giving you shit because instead of figuring out what size suits your needs you bought the biggest wheels possible and expect people to hold your hand and give you precise information to make them fit. figure out what stretch you want, tape the over fenders to you car if its reasonbly close, increase the camber. if its not resonably close bow the fenders, or sell the wheels

[Khoda]

heres 9 cars with the similiar size wheels. just subtract 12.5 from the offset and that will give you a 12.5 inch wheel so 18x12.5 +13 is basically 18x12+0
RIMTUCK.com - Search Results - Data (http://www.rimtuck.com/search/datasheet&make=Nissan&model=S13&diameterf=18&widthf=10&diameterr=18&widthr=12&sort=1)
people are giving you shit because instead of figuring out what size suits your needs you bought the biggest wheels possible and expect people to hold your hand and give you presice information to make them fit. figure out what strectch you want, tape the over fenders to you car if its reasonbly close, increase the camber. if its not resonably close bow the fenders, or sell the wheels

Shalezzz please don't talk out of term. I didn't buy the rims for you to put them on for me. If that was the case I would go to a shop give them a grand and say fit the rims. I am just looking at tire stretch and inner body clearance. I just installed full baggs on a car myself. I don't need anyone's to hold my hand.... But again this is a area for helping other... Don't need to help... Just don't post at all then.

Now with you saying just subtract 12.5 from the offset and that will give you a 12.5 inch wheel so 18x12.5 +13 is basically 18x12+0.... That does not help me on my tire size since I don't see many s13 is 12.5 rears......


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[OutlawLui]

What about

Front 235/45

Rear 275/45

MORE SIDE WALL!!!!!!!

[shalezzz]

Don't need to help... Just don't post at all then.

That does not help me on my tire size since I don't see many s13 is 12.5 rears......

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if you went to the link i provided it gives tire sizes. i was helping you since you said no one has 12.5. generally people run a 235/40 front and a 255/40 or a 265/35 a half inch isnt gonna be that much more stretch. not trying to be a dick but if you dont know how to make wheels fit dont buy them. for future refence

[Khoda]

if you went to the link i provided it gives tire sizes. i was helping you since you said no one has 12.5. generally people run a 235/40 front and a 255/40 or a 265/35 a half inch isnt gonna be that much more stretch. not trying to be a dick but if you dont know how to make wheels fit dont by them.

So if you don't know how to do an oil change don't learn and do it? Oh okay so I should just give these wheels away, since you are the expert in this all you seem like a great person to take them....62735



I know how to do fitment, simply was just asking for people opinion. And said it very clearly if you don't want to help then please don't post anything at all. You my friend are very weird you help then talk crap too? Don't get it. I have been trying to be very polite, I come from BMW posts and the people there are helpful and happy to post up valuable information. Just sucks to see how some people really don't know how to communicate. Must be the age.


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[Khoda]

What about

Front 235/45

Rear 275/45

MORE SIDE WALL!!!!!!!

I did some searching and can not really find pictures of them on a 11 and 12.5, 235 45 for the front is safe and a solid stretch I think? And the rears I feel like a 265 45 would be good but then again maybe too much? I don't want it to not flow with the front stretch if you get what I mean?


THANKS for the info!


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[Black R]

heres 9 cars with the similiar size wheels. just subtract 12.5 from the offset and that will give you a 12.5 inch wheel so 18x12.5 +13 is basically 18x12+0
RIMTUCK.com - Search Results - Data (http://www.rimtuck.com/search/datasheet&make=Nissan&model=S13&diameterf=18&widthf=10&diameterr=18&widthr=12&sort=1)
people are giving you shit because instead of figuring out what size suits your needs you bought the biggest wheels possible and expect people to hold your hand and give you precise information to make them fit. figure out what stretch you want, tape the over fenders to you car if its reasonbly close, increase the camber. if its not resonably close bow the fenders, or sell the wheels


Not to nitpick but a 12.5" wide wheel adds 6.25mm to the poke and 6.25mm to the backspacing vs a 12" wide wheel.

So 18x12 +0 has 6.7mm more poke, and the 18x12.5 +13 is 19.4 mm wider on the inside toward the strut.

OP, you will have so much extra room inboard that you should follow that link shalezzz gave you and pay attention to only the offset and tire sizes. Pick the one that's closest to your setup and use that as a model - doing the math to take into account the small amount of difference in offset.

[shalezzz]

So if you don't know how to do an oil change don't learn and do it? Oh okay so I should just give these wheels away, since you are the expert in
no, id tell you google how to do an oil change. the reason people wanna lock the thread is because it clutters space and makes it harder to find useful information. be original do it and post up the results. and my age has nothing to do with it, i wasnt even being rude i said dont buy wheels. best advice buy a pair of 17 or 18x10 eurolines put them on the front and have 2 sets of rear wheels so you have spare ones for the track
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/268719-18x10-5-18x12-5-a.html (post number 11).

[shalezzz]

messed upmsglngth

[shalezzz]

Not to nitpick but a 12.5" wide wheel adds 6.25mm to the poke and 6.25mm to the backspacing vs a 12" wide wheel.

So 18x12 +0 has 6.7mm more poke, and the 18x12.5 +13 is 19.4 mm wider on the inside toward the strut.


i was refering the "same" as fender to wheel lip fitment. so i shoulda said 18x12+0 has the same poke as 18x12.5 +6.7. thanks for the correct dont wanna spread misinformation make sure thats right lol

[fliprayzin240sx]

Love this info, thank you!!

Now for the rear I have out the over fender on with tape to see how it looks, it fits? It's close yes but if I shave that inner lip out of the over fender it looks as if it will be fine. This is with my current tire set up.. I am looking for another set up on sizing so I can run a little more stretch so I might not even need to shave the lip of the over fender. Now viewing BOWing it I don't think is needed since it looks tight but will work..?

Now why do you think the front will suck fitment wise? I have seen people do 18x11 on the link that was posted here. They also had the 30mm fenders?


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I've never owned an S13 but I've helped people fit wheels on them many times. The problem with S13s like already said is that they have tiny wheel wells, specially in the front. I've tried to help fit some 10js on S13s and they touched anything and everything at full lock. Even if you tub the fronts to get clearance, I still dont see how it wont be hitting the rear of the wheel well on the fire wall side. You can smash it in with hammers but that will only get you so far. 245/35-18s wont do much since thats even larger than the overall diameter of the stock tire size (205/60-15s). Make sure you relocate the harnesses as far back and high as you can.

You dont see a whole lot of S13 guys run 10s up front because of rubbing issues. I know guys who hates their 9.5j +12s because they rub. I've run nothing but 10js on the front of all of my 3 S14s and I know thats the widest I can run on them unless I do some major cutting and welding. Either way, you're really on your own on this since nobody has been crazy enough to attempt something like this on an S13 or even S14s. Rears are not the hard part, its the fronts that will always be a bitch. Good luck to you, hope you make it fit and lets you make u-turns.

[brian310]

What about

Front 235/45

Rear 275/45

MORE SIDE WALL!!!!!!!

fronts will most likely rub...

this may or may not help but heres my old s14 setup...
front are 18x11 -3 and i was running 25mm extended flca's 235/40
rear are 18x12 +10 275/35
http://31.media.tumblr.com/1cc6619d6a8db33b5a361b0495f65386/tumblr_mvzvcdlipr1qjfdnno2_500.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/faf0f491ec7e6240ac3a38755de2aa50/tumblr_mvzvcdlipr1qjfdnno1_500.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/195ae07b5797028aefda903632498598/tumblr_mvzvcdlipr1qjfdnno3_500.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/b7082e3be8618b6fca05fd0a7023e4d3/tumblr_mvzvimuEwF1qjfdnno1_1280.jpg

but like i said i couldnt go full lock with that tire

and ya stock body like a bawse

[Black R]

^ looks good, but it's widely known that the s14 has much more room all around vs the s13.

[brian310]

^ looks good, but it's widely known that the s14 has much more room all around vs the s13.

I was just posting to show tire stretch. Not so much about the fitment, but thanks I kinda miss that car lol