Skid Plates, Low Cars, Aquaplaning, Pride & Prejudice

[Matej]

Dear 240SX enthusiasts,
Can a skid plate and/or a splitter make a lowered vehicle more susceptible to hydroplaning in wet conditions?
Y/N?

It seems that a big flat panel located a couple of centimeters above ground could prove to be quite the buoyant nuisance when youthfully motoring through puddles, lakes, marshes, etc.
This is a matter of grave importance that has been squatting on the back of mind, as some sort of a squatting thing would.
Are the shades of Pemberley to be thus polluted?

[thefro526]

I know what you're trying to get at here, and yes, a giant wooden splitter is definitely going to cause your front end to 'lift' if you're going through any significant amount of water, imagine a flat fronted/flat bottom boat going through water. A skid plate should have less of/no effect since it's much smaller, and usually higher up - not to mention that it normally has a handful of holes in it.

With that being said, I really don't see it as being an issue, unless you've got some monster splitter that's like 1/2" off the ground. I don't see why anyone would be driving through any significant amount of water with any sort of speed, it's going to be hard to retain control no matter what.

[PoorMans180SX]

Are the shades of Pemberley to be thus polluted?

Hahah, this made me grin.


Anyway, what he said^. Unless your car is 4x4 you're not going to want to drive through anything remotely deep (think 2") or it'll go badly for your aero.

You have insulted me in every possible way and can now have nothing further to say. I must ask you to leave immediately.

[S14DB]

Aquaplaning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaplaning)

[bigs]

Oh, my goodness. Everybody behave naturally.

Unless your car is 4x4 you're not going to want to drive through anything remotely deep (think 2") or it'll go badly for your aero.


Yes. A thousand times yes.

[MrMigs]

All you need to do is build rudders into your skid plate. Boating solved.


wait..

[kOOpA]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7650371840/hC1414D74/

[mechanicalmoron]

I'd think the splitter might be pulled violently downwards, and rip off or damage stuff.

If it's low enough, you could hydroplane on a skidplate I'm sure, or it could help... it won't lift the whole car or anything, but it could take some weight off the tires, which will already have bad traction.

Get a splitter and skidplate and go try. For science.

[Matej]

This is only an attempt to ascertain if a skid plate and possibly a splitter would be the right choices for me to protect the oil pan and aero or if I would be better off just raising the engine, as 62% of the driving I do is during torrential downpours.
Even though sixty-two percent of nothing is nothing.

[kevinphan]

The splitter will help make your bumper more rigid and keep it in its place in the event you do hit a big puddle. One downfall is that you get a rooster tail from the splitter onto the hood and windshield(only if the splitter sticks past the lip of bumper) when you drive through little puddles. Front end does lift if you hit a big enough puddle with speed but nothing to lose sleep over.

http://i.imgur.com/zGGGqJ3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ceZwC9A.jpg

Sits about an inch or less off the ground. Anyone with a low car should look into a splitter. It'll make your bumper almost invincible.

[racepar1]

Don't drive lile a retard and you won't have to worry about hydroplaning...

...pretty damn simple!!!


:blah:


EDIT: For those of you with plywood splitters:

YOU SUCK!!!! Go make a REAL splitter that won't splinter into a bazillion pieces if you hit it with a fucking pebble... You can make your own carbon fiber or fiberglass one at home, it's not THAT hard. You can make one out of alumalite, which is two thin sheets of aluminum with a honeycomb bonded in-between. Plywood is straight-up backwoods redneck ghetto BS...

[zenkiset]

^^ this

I normally don't agree with people that are rude about things so I stay out of the zilvia drama, but I have to on this one lol. ive never quite understood the big ass plywood splitters.

[Sleepiedaze]

pieces of wood are for building houses and or awesome bomfires.....not for use on a car.

[crzsteveo]

he prob got it for free so who cares? lol. paint it black and say it isn't wood lmao.

you should install some sort of rudder in the rear so when your rear end kicks out, grab a handle and it drops the rudders and helps straighten your car out lol

[PoorMans180SX]

Don't drive lile a retard and you won't have to worry about hydroplaning...

...pretty damn simple!!!


:blah:


EDIT: For those of you with plywood splitters:

YOU SUCK!!!! Go make a REAL splitter that won't splinter into a bazillion pieces if you hit it with a fucking pebble... You can make your own carbon fiber or fiberglass one at home, it's not THAT hard. You can make one out of alumalite, which is two thin sheets of aluminum with a honeycomb bonded in-between. Plywood is straight-up backwoods redneck ghetto BS...

Yes, I'll make a fiberglass splitter to protect my fiberglass bumper... Wait a minute.

These are for scraping and banging into things, why would I take the time to make a carbon fiber or alumalite one when it's main purpose is to scrape on the ground? The slightly better gas mileage and front end stability are just a bonus, hahahah. Any street-driven low car is going to hit something nasty eventually, I would hate to see my $150 carbon fiber splitter crack in half from something stupid like that.

For real though, I don't know why you guys are all up in arms about this, plywood works perfectly fine and is plenty durable.

[racepar1]

Yes, I'll make a fiberglass splitter to protect my fiberglass bumper... Wait a minute.

These are for scraping and banging into things, why would I take the time to make a carbon fiber or alumalite one when it's main purpose is to scrape on the ground? The slightly better gas mileage and front end stability are just a bonus, hahahah. Any street-driven low car is going to hit something nasty eventually, I would hate to see my $150 carbon fiber splitter crack in half from something stupid like that.

For real though, I don't know why you guys are all up in arms about this, plywood works perfectly fine and is plenty durable.

Actually the purpose of a splitter is to make DOWNFORCE. If you're not trying to make DOWNFORCE then why the splitter??? Just make an underpanel out of sheetmetal. Oh, that's right, I forgot. You can't hard-park like a badass with just an underpanel that nobody can see...

Splitters are NOT for street cars, PERIOD.

Plywood does NOT work "perfectly fine" either. Plywood is NOT strong enough to hold up to the forces that a PROPER splitter sees. I've got more than one buddy that made himself a super awesome plywood splitter only to have it rip itself straight off the car at high speed on the first trackday. It also wears EXTREMELY quickly. REAL race cars don't even use plywood for wear strips because it wears too fast. We use a produck called Jabrock, which is plywood impregnated with resin and compressed at high pressure. Yeah, that's not cheap either. Plywood is NOT strong enough, and it does NOT work fine. It is ghetto, cheap-ass, backwoods, redneck bullshit.

ONLY in the 240sx "community" is fashion valued so much higher than function. ONLY here is price valued so highly over pride.

[bigs]

no one mentioned or asked about anything you just said haha

[kevinphan]

Took my car off jumps, went dirt riding, hit a curb, highway juts at 80mph, 3 seperate drifting related crashes and the splitter is still in one piece along with my bumper.

It sits less than an inch, carbon fiber would have already worn away, my buddy has an alumalite splitter and that bends just driving around. 1/4" birch works fine, sorry your so butt hurt over wood. This splitter isnt made for aerodynamics its made for the simple fact that it keeps my bumper in one piece.

Drift car no care

[racepar1]

Drift car no care

Drift cars are shitty, have fun with that...

:rl:

[S14DB]

So, Skid Plates aren't for Skid Racing?

[racepar1]

So, Skid Plates aren't for Skid Racing?

HAHAHAHA!!!

:rofl:

"skid racing" I never get tired of that one!

Technically speaking what is often referred to as a "skid plate" isn't REALLY a skid plate, it's just an underpanel. Skid plates are thicker and are designed to bottom on the ground BEFORE any of the other body/chasis parts do. For example, if you were to bolt a 1/8" thick piece of aluminum to the bottom of the crossmember THAT is a skid plate. A SPLITTER is COMPLETELY different from either.

[S14DB]

Hot Jabroc shots...

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/PorscheRSSpyderSeb07-MF4.jpg
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/PorscheRSSpyderLongBeach2008-MS2.jpg

[Matej]

Is that a speedboat?

[S14DB]

Porsche RS Spyder

[InsTanCeZ]

Won't Ganadors cause a significant increase in downforce, preventing any hydro-planing from occuring?

[zerodameaon]

If you want to protect your oil pan(important) more than aero(not really important) go buy a skid plate from one of the many companies who make them or make one like it. I have hit many puddles/low spots filled with water across the whole road and the car behaved exactly like it did without one. If you are going through water that deep you should not be going fast enough to hydroplane.

[Bushido]

+1 for plywood! lulz

[xoxide]

It is ghetto, cheap-ass, backwoods, redneck bullshit.

1- Ive never seen ghetto and redneck used in the same sentence before. Well done.

2- cheap-ass... right...
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/sprinter1/imagesCA23ZB4J_zpsa117d11d.jpg (http://s82.photobucket.com/user/sprinter1/media/imagesCA23ZB4J_zpsa117d11d.jpg.html)

[Bushido]

hydro drift championship


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/2002/Photoshop%20Works/notcool_zpsdaf7cc47.jpg

[Matej]

That is exactly what I am afraid of happening. Thank you for finding a good example.

[Brian]

hydro drift championship


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/2002/Photoshop%20Works/notcool_zpsdaf7cc47.jpg

exactly!
my rotors got rusty after that. Probably bad for downforce.

[S14DB]

1- Ive never seen ghetto and redneck used in the same sentence before. Well done.
Don't you live in the heart of that?

[PureRush]

Haha I like that plywood idea plus this I'm pretty entertained reading the comments from the people that are butthurt about that guys bumper protecting splitter. They're like "Hey guys lets make a splitter that sits 1/2 inch off the ground out of some expensive material"

[Brian]

what, you dont have a kevlar skid splitter?

[derek_s13]

personally attest to kevin phans big goofy wooden splitter not looking the least bit big or goofy when the car is driving. I didn't even know it was there.

will also testify to its merit on and off the racetrack. car has been three-wheel dirt-dropped, and bombed clear off track, and that bumper is mint.

it works so well, that after I realized what I was looking at, I felt stupid at how simple of an answer it was all this time.



here are some cell phone pictures I took of his car driving because it was just so damn hot

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c335/derek_s13/IMG_2753.jpg (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/derek_s13/media/IMG_2753.jpg.html)

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c335/derek_s13/IMG_2754.jpg (http://s30.photobucket.com/user/derek_s13/media/IMG_2754.jpg.html)


have run aluminium skid plates, and stolen street-sign skid plates, none of them hold up at all and are way more expensive.

[HighwaystarJC]

and stolen street-sign skid plates, none of them hold up at all and are way more expensive.

how can a stolen street-sign skid plate cost more than a piece of plywood when you just proclaimed it was stolen?:cops:

[Bushido]

Wood is good

[racepar1]

hydro drift championship


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/2002/Photoshop%20Works/notcool_zpsdaf7cc47.jpg

So THAT's why those GTR rotors I bought off Brian a few years back were so rusty! LOL!





I know, I know guys. God forbid anyone speak about anything performance related that isn't pure power. God forbid that anyone be more concerned with making the car faster than look cooler. God forbid that anyone should not slam their car retard spec low and not need a giant heavy piece of fucking lumber to protect their precious, shitty looking, vacuum cleaner aero kit. God forbid anyone have actual standards for ALL the parts they put on their cars. God forbid that anyone should not see their car as "just a drift car". God forbid anyone see and treat their car as a TOOL rather than just a childish toy to go slide into curbs and poles and shit.

It's just purely terrible that I am a straight up race guy and couldn't give a fuck less about all the bullshit you guys are concerned about. Ridiculous that the idea of destroying a couple hundred dollar splitter isn't a big deal IMO. I mean, cars are cheap and easy right??? I'm a horrible human being. I should go buy some neon sunglasses, skinny jeans, flip-flops, shitty looking aero, and slap some plywood on my ride.

The sad thing is that even on Hondatech, the riciest place on the internet according to Zilvians, the idea of a plywood splitter would not be looked upon in high regard. Even there, the idea of actually making downforce would not be scoffed at.

[Brian]

My car was pure performance.

[imotion s14]

how can a stolen street-sign skid plate cost more than a piece of plywood when you just proclaimed it was stolen?:cops:

:rofl:

this community is full of cheap fucks.

[shanelach]

Racepar1, eat a snickers. You take shit too serious when you're hungry.

The car in question has a KA, 18X10.5 chrome wheels, and a big piece of plywood on the front. Obviously a splitter would help SO MUCH in a performance aspect. You know what the best part is? It gets driven and the dude has fun. It sounds like you aren't having much fun hourself.

[PoorMans180SX]

So THAT's why those GTR rotors I bought off Brian a few years back were so rusty! LOL!

Big rant blah blah blah


No actually you're missing everyone's point. Obviously we all know what a real splitter does, and if we wanted to build a road race car, would would all make a proper one for proper downforce.

But there's simply no need to be a dick about someone who wants to protect the looks of their car cheaply.

[Matej]

God forbid that anyone should not slam their car retard spec low and not need a giant heavy piece of fucking lumber to protect their precious, shitty looking, vacuum cleaner aero kit.
Plenty of 'real' cars actually utilize plywood splitters. They are cheap, easy to make and replace, stronger than most other materials, and not terribly heavy. Various formula, ALMS, Le Mans, and such cars have full wooden under body trays/covers/skid plates/whatever because wood has convenient wear qualities when the cars bottom out.

http://www.trackhq.com/forums/attachments/f295/3374d1292907645-splitter-material-what-make-gt2splitter.jpg


That being said, I do not care about smashing my aero. The oil sump is a different matter though, and even then, I would prefer just shortening the oil pan or figuring out something different if possible, since a skid plate will just make noise everywhere I go and the car will touch ground even sooner than it would without one.

Just waiting on China to knock off a dry sump kit. :)

[thefro526]

Can't understand all of the wood splitter hate.

Wood, in a material sense, is a fantastic thing to build something like a splitter/bumper protector/etc from. It's cheap, reasonably strong, super easy to work with and readily available. Sure, there are stronger, lighter materials to build things from, but can any take as much abuse as good plywood at the same price point? Pretty sure the answer is no.

IIRC, Stewart Leask ran his plywood splitter for at least a year or two and it saved multiple bumpers from destruction and was strong enough to support at least a person or two.

If you really wanted to get fancy with plywood, you could shape it into some radical splitter shape and then lay carbon fiber/fiberglass/etc overtop. Would allow you to do some neat/cool looking stuff that would be pretty damn strong. There are a lot of small scale airplane dudes that build stuff using the wood core (also foam core method) and it appears to work well for them. Seen the technique used on privateer/weekend race cars as well, wood is used for the coarse structure of a part, and then CF is overlaid to make it stronger and to smooth out some of the geometric transitions. Stuff like this isn't outside of the realm of most handy people, even if you don't have proper woodworking tools, you can use foam in areas that need to be specifically shaped with smooth curves and stuff since its easier to work with.

All of that being said, I'd imagine that someone somewhere has built some sort of splitter/protector/skid thing out of particle board, not knowing the difference between plywood and particle board. I'd like to see what happens to that under extreme load, I'd imagine that the failure would be entertaining.... And catastrophic.

[S14DB]

Plenty of 'real' cars actually utilize plywood splitters. They are cheap, easy to make and replace, stronger than most other materials, and not terribly heavy. Various formula, ALMS, Le Mans, and such cars have full wooden under body trays/covers/skid plates/whatever because wood has convenient wear qualities when the cars bottom out.


That being said, I do not care about smashing my aero. The oil sump is a different matter though, and even then, I would prefer just shortening the oil pan or figuring out something different if possible, since a skid plate will just make noise everywhere I go and the car will touch ground even sooner than it would without one.

Just waiting on China to knock off a dry sump kit. :)

That's Jabroc not plywood.

[Sc0oByDo0RaCeR]

+1 for plywood

[zeitgeist]

Last time I checked this forum was pretty much used only by people who wanna have fun and look good.
Chill out dude. The plywood works

[xoxide]

Don't you live in the heart of that?
Hahahahaha....

:fawk:

[mechanicalmoron]

So THAT's why those GTR rotors I bought off Brian a few years back were so rusty! LOL!





I know, I know guys. God forbid anyone speak about anything performance related that isn't pure power. God forbid that anyone be more concerned with making the car faster than look cooler. God forbid that anyone should not slam their car retard spec low and not need a giant heavy piece of fucking lumber to protect their precious, shitty looking, vacuum cleaner aero kit. God forbid anyone have actual standards for ALL the parts they put on their cars. God forbid that anyone should not see their car as "just a drift car". God forbid anyone see and treat their car as a TOOL rather than just a childish toy to go slide into curbs and poles and shit.

It's just purely terrible that I am a straight up race guy and couldn't give a fuck less about all the bullshit you guys are concerned about. Ridiculous that the idea of destroying a couple hundred dollar splitter isn't a big deal IMO. I mean, cars are cheap and easy right??? I'm a horrible human being. I should go buy some neon sunglasses, skinny jeans, flip-flops, shitty looking aero, and slap some plywood on my ride.

The sad thing is that even on Hondatech, the riciest place on the internet according to Zilvians, the idea of a plywood splitter would not be looked upon in high regard. Even there, the idea of actually making downforce would not be scoffed at.

First you say totally reasonable things, and then you hate on plywood..... because.... yeah, I totally missed why.

You don't give a fuck what it looks like or what anyone thinks, you want it to go fast and do it well, unless it's plywood, in which case, it's totally unacceptable because you said so?

Your reasoning for hating plywood seems based in some shit about honda-tech, neon sunglasses, cheap aero, skinny jeans, and flip-flops, and frankly, I can't see what any of them have to do with plywood.

But we get it, destroying a several-hundred dollar splitter wouldn't phase you at all, because hey, at least you would have ruined something expensive, instead of something totally equal in performance but at a fraction the price.

[ZX88]

hydro drift championship


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/2002/Photoshop%20Works/notcool_zpsdaf7cc47.jpg

this is cool. MAKE IT HAPPEN

[bigs]

It's just purely terrible that I am a straight up race guy and couldn't give a fuck less about all the bullshit you guys are concerned about.


You're old. That's what happens when old people like cheap 20+ year old cars.

You're having a zilvia midlife crisis. Go turn a vert into a race car or something.

[Magoo1222]

Just stopping by to thank everyone involved in this thread for the entertaining read this evening :drama: In the interest of stirring the pot, however, that plywood does look ghetto as all fuck all when its off the car. Nice looking bumper tho!

[Matej]

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/uplolasplit.jpg

Which stain finish would look best on a red car?
I am thinking Colonial Maple.

[Bushido]

^BALLERRRRR

love that grain

[Bushido]

Wood isn't really THAT heavy. I use 1/2" plywood and have had more than 4 people stand on each design i've made at the same time...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/SDC10556.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/SDC10563.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/d84745b9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/d8597d66.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/kidnrg/3e4d3f01.jpg

Believe me, both of them can stop a freight train. No point in building aerodynamics that attach to a flimsy FRP bumper.

...................

[Matej]

But will it withstand fire?

[racepar1]

That's Jabroc not plywood.

Thanks for that...

You're old. That's what happens when old people like cheap 20+ year old cars.

You're having a zilvia midlife crisis. Go turn a vert into a race car or something.

So THAT's why people like 240sx convertibles. I haven't been able to figure that one out...

[andy107]

You're old. That's what happens when old people like cheap 20+ year old cars.

You're having a zilvia midlife crisis. Go turn a vert into a race car or something.

If anyone feels racepar1 is commenting in a negative manner on this thread and talking down/harassing peoples thoughts and opinions about the topic. Feel free to use the report button on the bottom left corner of the said post next to the offending person's username.

I made the mistake of carrying my disagreements with racepar1 publicly, recently on my FS thread and was harshly warned by the mods. I don't want anyone to get pinked or banned over a dumb argument.

Since this is a topic of "Skid Plates, Low Cars, Aquaplaning, Pride & Prejudice". I would like to chime in on the builds and materials used. If you enjoy working on cars and enjoy building stuff from scratch and it works to your satisfaction. What makes that build any wrong, compared to other peoples projects? Your not going around shoving your new found idea's down peoples throats just because its right or the wrong way to do it. You build it because you do it for yourself, and nobody else. We all wish we had the funds to build proper cars out of "gold". But we don't. ADMIT IT, we are ALL cheap in some way, maybe more or less than others. Regardless, why are we all still here? It's called.... passion my friends.

I heard a famous saying from a great entrepreneur back in the day. "The best way to predict the future is to invent it." Take that quote and make it your own..... "The best way to predict the future is to create it."

The best example on the net. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcjpXbMiCtghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcjpXbMiCtg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcjpXbMiCtg)

Go out, be creative. Do something different. The big name guys at RWB, LB Performance all started somewhere. Look at the $$$ they are making now. And I'm sure it wasn't pretty when their ideas started from scratch. But most importantly, they just didn't stop from there. They kept going because they knew it could be better.

When did building a car become a fighting competition and that his/her car has a bigger di*k than yours?

........Carry on about yourself, and most importantly..... STAY humble. You know how the old saying goes. It's the quiet ones that you gotta watch for.

[mechanicalmoron]

Just stopping by to thank everyone involved in this thread for the entertaining read this evening :drama: In the interest of stirring the pot, however, that plywood does look ghetto as all fuck all when its off the car. Nice looking bumper tho!

I don't see anything that looks ghetto about that car's front end. At all.

However, fake carbon fiber on everything and useless/nonfunctional/obnoxious fiberglass "aero", do look pretty ghetto.

Like racepar was saying (for the parts that made sense): Fuck people who don't like how your car looks, make it go fast and do it right. (The part he got wrong was where he was saying that doing it right must be the most expensive way known to man)

[racepar1]

If anyone feels racepar1 is commenting in a negative manner on this thread and talking down/harassing peoples thoughts and opinions about the topic. Feel free to use the report button on the bottom left corner of the said post next to the offending person's username.

I made the mistake of carrying my disagreements with racepar1 publicly, recently on my FS thread and was harshly warned by the mods. I don't want anyone to get pinked or banned over a dumb argument.

Are you REALLY on some sort of campaign to get me pinked??? Good luck with that. You were warned because you ranted and carried on with a full page post full of bullshit. Get over it, it's no big deal, I am no more of a villan in it than you.

:mephfawk:



Back on the "topic" of the thread...

I refuse to build my car using the materials that my storage shed is made from. Sorry, that's ghetto. There are plenty of other ways to protect a bumper that do not involve plywood or a non-functional "splitter". I'm not saying that you've gotta make it from autoclaved carbon fiber. But I wouldn't settle for anything less than something that I can be proud of.

It's funny to me how I described a $200 splitter and everyone seems to think that's expensive or something. If you go off-track and damage your car and it ONLY costs you $200 to fix it, THAT'S CHEAP!!! I've seen people go off-track and do $20,000 of damage, of course on an ACTUAL racecar.

I have no respect for the drifter attitude. "Good enough" is NEVER good enough for me. I have more passion, dedication, appreciation, and pride than that. I have too much passion and pride for my car to think of it as "just a drift car". I wouldn't own a modified or race car that I did not have that kind of passion for. If I WAS to make a dedicated "drift" car I wouldn't bother with ANY aero. It makes no difference in performance in that arena and all you're going to do is tear it up. It makes no sense to me...

Looking cool is far over rated IMO...

[benarovi]

top gear did it on some eco box when they were trying to beat the evos time or something. it caught on fire lol

[tiggertsi]

I refuse to build my car using the materials that my storage shed is made from. Sorry, that's ghetto.

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/joe-harmon-design-splinter-wooden-supercar_100191164_m.jpg
http://www.automobilemag.com/green/news/0901_wooden_supercar_splinter/
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/05/splinter-update-students-making-progress-on-wooden-supercar/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keAkjqjnFt0

[Matej]

I refuse to build my car using the materials that my storage shed is made from. Sorry, that's ghetto.
Your shed is made out of wood?
That is so third world.
If I may, I would recommend stepping up to concrete or cement composites, or even brick at least.

[andy107]

Your shed is made out of wood?
That is so third world.
If I may, I would recommend stepping up to concrete or cement composites, or even brick at least.

LOLOLOLOL perhaps he's speaking in terms of materials from a nuclear bunker silo.

[racepar1]

http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/joe-harmon-design-splinter-wooden-supercar_100191164_m.jpg

SOOOOOOOOO ugly and stupid. I wouldn't buy that no matter how retarded rich I was...

Your shed is made out of wood?
That is so third world.
If I may, I would recommend stepping up to concrete or cement composites, or even brick at least.

You're from Kansas...

:cj:

...we don't have tornadoes in Cali. No need for a bomb shelter to house my useless crap that I can't bring myself to throw out yet.


EDIT: just realized while I was shopping that Kansas City is in Missouri, NOT Kansas. OOPS! ONLY Okies would have a city named after a neighboring state... HAHA!!!

[KoukiMonsta]

Matej, you make the best threads.

I would enjoy a beer with you

Keep up the great work

[Magoo1222]

I don't see anything that looks ghetto about that car's front end. At all.

However, fake carbon fiber on everything and useless/nonfunctional/obnoxious fiberglass "aero", do look pretty ghetto.

Like racepar was saying (for the parts that made sense): Fuck people who don't like how your car looks, make it go fast and do it right. (The part he got wrong was where he was saying that doing it right must be the most expensive way known to man)

Thats why I said when its off the car lol... I didnt say anything about the cars front end. Pot = stirred, mission success captain

[BossHogg]

wtf? All these car guru's and no one has linked the coolest puddle jumping lamborghini movie of all time. Tisk Tisk.

skip to 5:15...or just watch the whole damn thing.

HdcIhqO6G9Y

[bigs]

If I WAS to make a dedicated "drift" car I wouldn't bother with ANY aero. It makes no difference in performance in that arena and all you're going to do is tear it up.

You were just bitching about how that guy didn't have a nice splitter on his drift car for max down force.

When are you going to stop shitting out of your mouth? I know zilvia resembles the color of a litter box, but don't be fooled.

[shanelach]

Are you REALLY on some sort of campaign to get me pinked??? Good luck with that. You were warned because you ranted and carried on with a full page post full of bullshit. Get over it, it's no big deal, I am no more of a villan in it than you.

:mephfawk:



Back on the "topic" of the thread...

I refuse to build my car using the materials that my storage shed is made from. Sorry, that's ghetto. There are plenty of other ways to protect a bumper that do not involve plywood or a non-functional "splitter". I'm not saying that you've gotta make it from autoclaved carbon fiber. But I wouldn't settle for anything less than something that I can be proud of.

It's funny to me how I described a $200 splitter and everyone seems to think that's expensive or something. If you go off-track and damage your car and it ONLY costs you $200 to fix it, THAT'S CHEAP!!! I've seen people go off-track and do $20,000 of damage, of course on an ACTUAL racecar.

I have no respect for the drifter attitude. "Good enough" is NEVER good enough for me. I have more passion, dedication, appreciation, and pride than that. I have too much passion and pride for my car to think of it as "just a drift car". I wouldn't own a modified or race car that I did not have that kind of passion for. If I WAS to make a dedicated "drift" car I wouldn't bother with ANY aero. It makes no difference in performance in that arena and all you're going to do is tear it up. It makes no sense to me...

Looking cool is far over rated IMO...

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that nobody cares.

[derek_s13]

SOOOOOOOOO ugly and stupid. I wouldn't buy that no matter how retarded rich I was...



You're from Kansas...

:cj:

...we don't have tornadoes in Cali. No need for a bomb shelter to house my useless crap that I can't bring myself to throw out yet.

...we don't build F1 race cars here. No need for cutting edge technology to protect my knockoff fiberglass bumper that I can't even spend the time to fit to the car properly.









are you getting it yet? made that one about as simple as it could be. see what I did is, I mimicked your exact sentence,
but changed the subject matter. that was so you can understand someone else's perspective on anything on earth.

and I did it in a way that demonstrates how biased you are on this, since your thoughts on low quality sheds
being "good enough" is just fine. but others' thoughts on appropriate skid car parts are not.

see matej did the same thing, but he's just so damn clever that I think it went straight over your head.
thought i'd splain it to ya.

[racepar1]

You were just bitching about how that guy didn't have a nice splitter on his drift car for max down force.

When are you going to stop shitting out of your mouth? I know zilvia resembles the color of a litter box, but don't be fooled.

You missed my point completely. If you're going to run a splitter, run a proper one. If you're going to participate in a "motorsport" that eats fiberglass aero and in which downforce is inconsequential, don't run ANY aero. You can go out and bash the stock urethane bumper on whatever you want.

I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that nobody cares.

What a coincidence, I don't care what anyone else thinks either...

...we don't build F1 race cars here. No need for cutting edge technology to protect my knockoff fiberglass bumper that I can't even spend the time to fit to the car properly.









are you getting it yet? made that one about as simple as it could be. see what I did is, I mimicked your exact sentence,
but changed the subject matter. that was so you can understand someone else's perspective on anything on earth.

and I did it in a way that demonstrates how biased you are on this, since your thoughts on low quality sheds
being "good enough" is just fine. but others' thoughts on appropriate skid car parts are not.

see matej did the same thing, but he's just so damn clever that I think it went straight over your head.
thought i'd splain it to ya.

Thanks, you're so smart...

:picardfp:

I prefer to attempt to apply that kind of F1 attention to detail to my own vehicle. Why? Because those are the kind of cars that I grew up with. In all my years working the pits the biggest thing that I have learned is this: The difference between the fastest car in the field and the slowest is all in the details. To be successful in motorsports you've gotta sweat the details like a fat man on a treadmill. Good enough is never good enough. ONLY PERFECT is good enough.

The "good enough" attitude of the general drift community is the primary reason that we've got soooooooo many shitbox "missile" cars and so few nice, clean examples left. There is very little encouragement for precision and skill, and no importance whatsoever to patience and hard work. There is very little importance attached to learning about ACTUALLY driving a car. All these kids just up and decide one day on their lunchbreak in high school that they're going to be a "drifter" because it's super cool. Nobody stops to advise the kid that jumping right into drifting is probably a bad idea. Nobody advises the kid to go to some trackdays first and learn the basics of driving a car fast on a racetrack. Nobody suggests that going to a race driving school is a great idea. Nope, just jump right in! Who cares if you bash up the car almost immediately? I will argue that attitude to the death. All it leads to is shitty cars and shittier drivers.

The best drifters in the world are RACE drivers and drifting is simply a driving technique that they acquired along the way. THAT attitude I encourage. There is more to driving than simply drifting. Just because you're a decent "drifter" doesn't mean that you're a good DRIVER in ANY way. I encourage ALL of you to go out and learn about MORE than just drifting. Expand your automotive horizons, learn absolutely EVERYTHING you can.

Sometimes "elitist" assholes like me can have something useful to teach you, even if you don't agree with everything I say...


Enough of the rants, I'm done here. It was really just stubborn of me to continue this far. Do what you want, I can't stop you. BUT, I don't have to like it or be nice about it either. You'll just have to deal with that.

[bigs]

The difference between the fastest car in the field and the slowest is all in the details. To be successful in motorsports you've gotta sweat the details like a fat man on a treadmill. Good enough is never good enough. ONLY PERFECT is good enough.

All this talk about sweating and treadmills, and I noticed this picture in your gallery...

http://zilvia.net/f/gallery-image-2922-1230511385.html

I guess you don't practice what you preach. Does the track you go to give you a handicap?

[mechanicalmoron]

You missed my point completely. If you're going to run a splitter, run a proper one. If you're going to participate in a "motorsport" that eats fiberglass aero and in which downforce is inconsequential, don't run ANY aero. You can go out and bash the stock urethane bumper on whatever you want.



What a coincidence, I don't care what anyone else thinks either...



Thanks, you're so smart...

:picardfp:

I prefer to attempt to apply that kind of F1 attention to detail to my own vehicle. Why? Because those are the kind of cars that I grew up with. In all my years working the pits the biggest thing that I have learned is this: The difference between the fastest car in the field and the slowest is all in the details. To be successful in motorsports you've gotta sweat the details like a fat man on a treadmill. Good enough is never good enough. ONLY PERFECT is good enough.

The "good enough" attitude of the general drift community is the primary reason that we've got soooooooo many shitbox "missile" cars and so few nice, clean examples left. There is very little encouragement for precision and skill, and no importance whatsoever to patience and hard work. There is very little importance attached to learning about ACTUALLY driving a car. All these kids just up and decide one day on their lunchbreak in high school that they're going to be a "drifter" because it's super cool. Nobody stops to advise the kid that jumping right into drifting is probably a bad idea. Nobody advises the kid to go to some trackdays first and learn the basics of driving a car fast on a racetrack. Nobody suggests that going to a race driving school is a great idea. Nope, just jump right in! Who cares if you bash up the car almost immediately? I will argue that attitude to the death. All it leads to is shitty cars and shittier drivers.

The best drifters in the world are RACE drivers and drifting is simply a driving technique that they acquired along the way. THAT attitude I encourage. There is more to driving than simply drifting. Just because you're a decent "drifter" doesn't mean that you're a good DRIVER in ANY way. I encourage ALL of you to go out and learn about MORE than just drifting. Expand your automotive horizons, learn absolutely EVERYTHING you can.

Sometimes "elitist" assholes like me can have something useful to teach you, even if you don't agree with everything I say...


Enough of the rants, I'm done here. It was really just stubborn of me to continue this far. Do what you want, I can't stop you. BUT, I don't have to like it or be nice about it either. You'll just have to deal with that.

All that is fine.

But it doesn't make budgets magically grow, or wood magically NOT a totally reasonable building material.

This is a strawman. I hate seeing good cars destroyed by driftards, I hate the "culture" of trashing shit and thinking that zipties are cool, or even acceptable, and parting out the cars that I like with no more thought than those people put into flushing the toilet, often when there isn't even anything wrong with it.

But none of that translates into a disdain for wood. It's totally unfit for many roles, but it just happens that it's perfectly fit for a budget option that still performs fine for this role. So, what's the problem?

I totally understand your attitude if applied to fake parts, even cosmetic ones: they're not just a cheaper option, they're FAKE. But this isn't, it's fabricated because someone feels that they actually need that part, and wood is an accessible affordable building material that will do a good job.

[bigs]

http://media.tumblr.com/883fc24d94d20785b8d08a5d50689c7b/tumblr_inline_ms0l20B0K51qz4rgp.gif

[xoxide]

All this talk about sweating and treadmills, and I noticed this picture in your gallery...

http://zilvia.net/f/gallery-image-2922-1230511385.html

I guess you don't practice what you preach. Does the track you go to give you a handicap?

That front lip isnt giving you any aerodynamic advantage... Shouldnt be on your car good sir. :wiggle:

And those skate shoes arent proper track day footwear either.

[racepar1]

All this talk about sweating and treadmills, and I noticed this picture in your gallery...

http://zilvia.net/f/gallery-image-2922-1230511385.html

I guess you don't practice what you preach. Does the track you go to give you a handicap?

I know I said I was done, but REALLY??? A lame attempt at a fat joke??? What is this junior high???

You could have just asked if I was fat, I'm not ashamed...

That front lip isnt giving you any aerodynamic advantage... Shouldnt be on your car good sir. :wiggle:

And those skate shoes arent proper track day footwear either.

As a point of fact, actually yes the lip does help. The most basic way to make downforce (nascar) is to allow as little air as possible under the car and allow a large area under the car for that small amount of air to expand into. This creates a high pressure area on top of the bodywork and a low pressure area under the car. The difference in those pressures is downforce. Granted that lip with no sideskirts or spoiler isn't going to make hardly any downforce and that was absolutely not the primary point of running it.

I've got sparco race shoes now, I'm mad proper yO!!! They've even been properly sitting on a shelf un-used since 2009! Kids have been a brick fucking wall to my motorsports obsession, worth it, but a TOTAL wall...

[collegekid]

Racepar, just chill man. It's not worth you frying brain cells over this. Read on


I seem to find more of these " Legit vs knockoff " type of threads over and over.
-Knock off people usually have arguments like
1. It's super cheap, great for entry level people
2. Does the same job
3. Mainly just money based arguments and using few success stories as proof****

-Legit part supporters say stuff like
1. Technical specs on why it's better
2. Price isn't really a lot since there is a lot of engineering behind the pricetag (There usually is)
3. People buying knockoffs are assholes ruining the scene
4. Buying knockoffs makes the price go up for the good parts
Similar to movie theater ticket prices going up because of online piracy


IMO
- Buy what YOU want and what YOU can afford to buy/do.
-As long as it does not affect you ( You are person B in this example) than do not worry about what they (Person A in this example ) does/buys.
1. For example, Person A's knockoff wood splitter flies off at the track and hits your windshield making you crash, then I will help you in beating the shit out of Person A.
2. Person A's knockoff body kit breaks/ knockoff suspension arm breaks and makes you crash, then I will be there for you babe, and I will beat the shit out of Person A.
3. Person A has a knockoff purse and it's raining; you get struck by lightning. Guess what Dawg, Person A is gon' learn today.


In short, who the fuck cares what someone else uses on their car as long as it doesn't affect you in any real way or kill/hurt anyone else. If using plywood will set their car on fire, let it be. If someone else wants to save $100 by getting Extreme dimensions fenders vs Origin, let it be. If they wanna save $150 by getting Isis/Megan coils vs Apexi/BC racing/ Fortune Auto, Let it be.

If you are a Doctor, don't worry about what the other fucking doctors are doing, worry about yourself.

In contrast, not everything in life needs to be the highest quality engineered shit and not all knockoffs have success stories. My $4.99 sweater keeps me warmer than my American Eagle/ Name brand sweaters. My $30 shoes last me a year, which is just as long as the $90 ones I had last time. On the flip side, I buy Coca cola and not Americas choice soda. I buy Samsung, Sony, and LG appliances because I know they outlast their warranties. The knockoff brands barely survive the same warranty period and maybe have like $100 difference.



Plus, mostly cheap ass kids browse the forum. Most people with real jobs and real goals are too busy doing shit instead of hanging out on Zilvia all day.

[lflkajfj12123]

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/uplolasplit.jpg

Which stain finish would look best on a red car?
I am thinking Colonial Maple.

LOL you're killing me with this shit

[racepar1]

Plus, mostly cheap ass kids browse the forum. Most people with real jobs and real goals are too busy doing shit instead of hanging out on Zilvia all day.

Actually I have been thoroughly surprised by how many people with ACTUAL money I have run into around here in the last 6 months or so. Your point, however, is valid.

LOL you're killing me with this shit

I would be REALLY interested in knowing more about that material. I would be willing to bet that it's extremely expensive hardwood and probably specially treated to be more durable, similar to jabroc. That pic was posted in another thread with a similar topic a few years ago though.

[zerodameaon]

Bet you it is just jabroc
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/PescaroloJudd03LMTest2012-RCE2.JPG
Mulsanne's Corner News, May/June 2012 (http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsmay12.html)

http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv117/driftwoodwalker/IMG_0019-12.jpg


EDIT:
A reverse image search reveals it is rosewood(supposedly) and no doubt just turned into jabroc from veneers.
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/sportscar/le-man-24-hours-technical-report-lmp/

[Zero-Offset]

Matej, you make the best threads.

I would enjoy a beer with you

Keep up the great work

message
fuckin
length.

[Brian]

Did we get the answer yet?

[ayuaddict]

Matej,

I use plywood for splitter construction.

For the Hondas so far, but I will probably do the same for the S13, S30, and maybe even AE86 if bumper damage becomes an actual issue and I can make sure carbs won't leak fuel onto it lol.

I don't really imagine it being an issue with hydroplaning.

However, in every one of my S13s I have raised the engine 20mm-25mm or so for ground clearance. I feel this it is a very important part with virtually no drawbacks other than having to cut into the hood a bit.

[DialedLife]

What about wooden scrap plates? I hit my frame rails on speed bumps . My friend told me to put 2x4s along my rails. Good idea?

[S14DB]

What about wooden scrap plates? I hit my frame rails on speed bumps . My friend told me to put 2x4s along my rails. Good idea?

Key is hardwood(Jabroc) not soft wood like pine.

2x4's would be thick. 1x4 would be more ideal. Make sure you counter sink the wholes. Seal in some nutserts into the rails instead of screwing directly into it. Bevel the ends if the wood too.

[racepar1]

What about wooden scrap plates? I hit my frame rails on speed bumps . My friend told me to put 2x4s along my rails. Good idea?

2x4's would be too thick. You would have to use something like 1/2" plywood, maybe even thinner. I would look into aluminum rather than wood personally. Wood would wear very quickly and need to be replaced frequently. Aluminum would last longer and wouldn't cost much more. Jabroc would be ideal, but that shit's expensive. Either way that's a solid idea for skid plates on a 240. Set the thickness of the plates so they contact the ground before the exhaust. If you ran them all the way down the frame rails they would even save the exhaust from speedbumps.

I REALLY like that idea actually!

[DialedLife]

Sorry guys, that wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I guess I'm bad at trolling. I feel like this thread really wandered too quickly. Iwas hoping to learn some things about hydroplaning

[Matej]

Dear skid plate hobbyists,
Which skid plates clear the Nismo Power Brace? Does the Xcessive skid plate clear it?

Thank you kindly.

[zerodameaon]

2x4's would be too thick. You would have to use something like 1/2" plywood, maybe even thinner. I would look into aluminum rather than wood personally. Wood would wear very quickly and need to be replaced frequently. Aluminum would last longer and wouldn't cost much more. Jabroc would be ideal, but that shit's expensive. Either way that's a solid idea for skid plates on a 240. Set the thickness of the plates so they contact the ground before the exhaust. If you ran them all the way down the frame rails they would even save the exhaust from speedbumps.

I REALLY like that idea actually!

I was just thinking about the idea of welding some metal to the bottom of my frame rails today somewhat along these lines. Seems like a solid idea. Granted best plan would be to make your exhaust tuck up above the rails but that is not always possible.

[Matej]

Why not cover the bottom of your frame rails in shopping cart wheels, assembly line rollers, tank treads, etc.?

http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/rollers.jpg

[zerodameaon]

Titanium would be much better, hit it fast enough and you could give a spark show.

[dudermagee]

Dear skid plate hobbyists,
Which skid plates clear the Nismo Power Brace? Does the Xcessive skid plate clear it?

Thank you kindly.


I am also interested in this information.

[ixfxi]

...we don't build F1 race cars here. No need for cutting edge technology to protect my knockoff fiberglass bumper that I can't even spend the time to fit to the car properly. are you getting it yet?

no need for cutting edge technology when you cant even handle basic concepts like attempting to properly install your knockoff fiberglass bumper?


If anyone feels racepar1 is commenting in a negative manner on this thread and talking down/harassing peoples thoughts and opinions about the topic. Feel free to use the report button on the bottom left corner of the said post next to the offending person's username.

you are such a pussy, you know that?


i cannot believe this thread exists... its an embarrassment to the community.

wood has no place on a modern car, period.

[Frank_Jaeger]

wood has no place on a modern car, period.
What about classy wooden steering wheels? Personally not my cup of tea, but they're in good taste. Checkmate, try again some time.

EDIT: Also I'm nominating this thread of the year.

[aga]

wood has no place on a modern car, period.

i was thinking of installing some bookshelves by the rear passenger seats...for long journeys, you know.

[crzsteveo]

I didn't know 240s were modern cars....

[racepar1]

Sorry guys, that wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I guess I'm bad at trolling. I feel like this thread really wandered too quickly. Iwas hoping to learn some things about hydroplaning

Yeah, you're pretty bad at trolling. That idea is actually pretty solid...

Dear skid plate hobbyists,
Which skid plates clear the Nismo Power Brace? Does the Xcessive skid plate clear it?

Thank you kindly.

They should ALL clear. I have yet to see a skid plate that dips up in-between the tension rod brackets.

What about classy wooden steering wheels? Personally not my cup of tea, but they're in good taste. Checkmate, try again some time.

EDIT: Also I'm nominating this thread of the year.

ACTUALLY wood steering wheels are out-of-place in a modern STYLE car. Looks way better in an old-school ride.


No, 240's are NOT "modern" cars in stock form. The truth is that most of us are modifying them with a modern STYLE though. There aren't too many old-school style 240's out there...

[InsTanCeZ]

I was just thinking about the idea of welding some metal to the bottom of my frame rails today somewhat along these lines. Seems like a solid idea. Granted best plan would be to make your exhaust tuck up above the rails but that is not always possible.

Online Store - Xcessive Manufacturing (http://www.xcessivemanufacturing.com/ONLINESTORE.html?cid=41&step=4&pid=175)

[zenkiset]

most of us are modifying them with a modern STYLE though.

hit the nail on the head. the car itself is not "modern", but when you are styling and upgrading your car with parts that are "in" right now so to speak, you are making it "modern"

I don't care how much people want to bash this thread, there has actually been some good info to read in here.

[greddy2die]

on a more serious note, if you are actually serious why dont you guys do what corvette owners have been doing for years. They have plates with little wheels on them to roll up driveways etc. They also have ones called "fangs".

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-130529976527296_2264_453517362

fangs
http://www.saccitycorvette.com/Black_Fangs_on_vette_1_op_640x384.jpg
http://www.saccitycorvette.com/Fangs_6_16_10_op_640x434.jpg

[aga]

that is actually....nice!

not the shopping cart wheel, that's ridiculous.

[ixfxi]

What about classy wooden steering wheels? Personally not my cup of tea, but they're in good taste. Checkmate, try again some time.

They're in good taste? They're fuckin' BULLSHIT is what they are. It goes hand-in-hand with these fuckin bur-berry interiors that all you tight-jean fruitcakes run.. go ahead, checkmate my nuts


I didn't know 240s were modern cars....

basically, you can draw a line between the real cars that were carb'ed vs the fuel injected bullshit of today.


on a more serious note, if you are actually serious why dont you guys do what corvette owners have been doing for years.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-130529976527296_2264_453517362


because its fucking STUPID. stealing wheels from your kids skateboard, how retarded is that....

raise your cars UP and quit being douchebags

[racepar1]

They're in good taste? They're fuckin' BULLSHIT is what they are. It goes hand-in-hand with these fuckin bur-berry interiors that all you tight-jean fruitcakes run.. go ahead, checkmate my nuts

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

:bowrofl:

You're the best Mike! NOBODY flames like you!

:bigok:

[Def]

Marine birch plywood is just fine for a splitter. A layer of fiberglass over it stiffens it right up, but if you don't care about another 7-10 lbs, you can just go with a thicker piece of plywood to get the stiffness fine.

The stress a splitter is subjected to isn't that high. I've seen some flimsy shit last just fine on some pretty quick race cars.


And an aluminum sheet is a stupid idea for a splitter - it would weigh a metric asston to get enough stiffness in bending for a splitter.

[racepar1]

Marine birch plywood is just fine for a splitter. A layer of fiberglass over it stiffens it right up, but if you don't care about another 7-10 lbs, you can just go with a thicker piece of plywood to get the stiffness fine.

The stress a splitter is subjected to isn't that high. I've seen some flimsy shit last just fine on some pretty quick race cars.


And an aluminum sheet is a stupid idea for a splitter - it would weigh a metric asston to get enough stiffness in bending for a splitter.

Question: What is YOUR splitter constructed from???

Adding a layer of fiberglass for stiffness is a good idea. Using the treated marine birch wood is also good. Both of those would help with dry-rot/moisture absorbtion as well as stiffness.

My biggest issue with plywood is that it's so damned thick and heavy. I prefer a splitter that actually SPLITS the airflow rather than just bludgening it in half. Also the wear would be a concern for me. I would be worried about taking chunks out of it or the layers de-laminating over time.

A thin treated hardwood wrapped with fiberglass actually sounds pretty proper I might just steal that idea when the time comes!

[tiggertsi]

Question: What is YOUR splitter constructed from???

Adding a layer of fiberglass for stiffness is a good idea. Using the treated marine birch wood is also good. Both of those would help with dry-rot/moisture absorbtion as well as stiffness.

My biggest issue with plywood is that it's so damned thick and heavy. I prefer a splitter that actually SPLITS the airflow rather than just bludgening it in half. Also the wear would be a concern for me. I would be worried about taking chunks out of it or the layers de-laminating over time.

A thin treated hardwood wrapped with fiberglass actually sounds pretty proper I might just steal that idea when the time comes!


which is why i posted the links about the splinter supercar. laminated veneer loomed like on that car has a higher strength to weight ratio than steel or aluminum. and it can be molded or shaped much the same way as carbon fiber.

[ixfxi]

Marine birch plywood is just fine for...................................

seriously def

you DO realize that this is zilvia


keep your scientific answers to NRR, no one speaks your language here

[racepar1]

which is why i posted the links about the splinter supercar. laminated veneer loomed like on that car has a higher strength to weight ratio than steel or aluminum. and it can be molded or shaped much the same way as carbon fiber.

Yeah, great. I bet it costs 10x as much as just using carbon fiber as well. That car was made for oil sheiks with more money than is possible to count. Basically a giant artifical penis for all to behold. Jabroc is also a wood product. I LOVE Jabroc. It is quite a stretch to attempt to compare either of those wood products to regular old 1/2" plywood.

[S14DB]

Marine birch plywood is just fine for a splitter. A layer of fiberglass over it stiffens it right up, but if you don't care about another 7-10 lbs, you can just go with a thicker piece of plywood to get the stiffness fine.

The stress a splitter is subjected to isn't that high. I've seen some flimsy shit last just fine on some pretty quick race cars.


And an aluminum sheet is a stupid idea for a splitter - it would weigh a metric asston to get enough stiffness in bending for a splitter.

Birch is a hardwood. Most of these posters are thinking of the pine stuff down at Home Despot or bLowes.

[Matej]

They should ALL clear. I have yet to see a skid plate that dips up in-between the tension rod brackets.
The best ones go in between (best relative to ground/obstacle clearance Clarence).

http://www.xcessivemanufacturing.com/prodimg/N-240-FSP-S13-4.JPG

[S14DB]

The best ones go in between (best relative to ground/obstacle clearance Clarence).

http://www.xcessivemanufacturing.com/prodimg/N-240-FSP-S13-4.JPG
Wow kiss your TC brackets and oil pan goodbye with that...

Good ones bolt to the rod brackets then curve later to deflect a bash down away. not right into the pan. That thing is thin as hell too.

I like the PSM SP.
http://bhworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/0204091521a.jpg
http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/page.php?13

[racepar1]

The best ones go in between (best relative to ground/obstacle clearance Clarence).

http://www.xcessivemanufacturing.com/prodimg/N-240-FSP-S13-4.JPG

Yeah, but the crossbar on the power brace is actually towards the rear of the brackets slightly. It should clear that. You would have to be stupid to not take a "power brace' or similar into consideration when designing an underpanel like that.

I don't know why they did it like that. There ARE mounting points SPECIFICALLY FOR an underpanel on the tension rod brackets...

[Matej]

I like the PSM SP.
http://bhworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/0204091521a.jpg
エンジンパーツ Engine Parts - POWERED BY MAX (http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/page.php?13)
Those are only good for aerodynamics. Otherwise, they are more of a hindrance than protection.

[aga]

you can make a light and functional front splitter using cheap materials, as long as you know some materials and how to use them...

you can buy foam sheets from composite stores, that can be shaped using simple tools like a saw and some big grit sandpapers, and overlay that with tightly woven fiberglass, 2-3 layers with different directions on the weave, and then paint the whole thing black... the only thing you have to be careful with this, is you gotta make bigger metal mounts ,cause concentrated forces like one scew, might crush the foam between the fiberglass layers. i dont mention kevlar or carbon, though kevlar is the ideal for this place, cause cost is too damn high...

as for jabroc etc, they say it has weight to strength ratio better than steel, but you gotta use like a 1 inch thick plate, while if you made it from steel you would use 2mm...

[tiggertsi]

Yeah, great. I bet it costs 10x as much as just using carbon fiber as well. That car was made for oil sheiks with more money than is possible to count. Basically a giant artifical penis for all to behold. Jabroc is also a wood product. I LOVE Jabroc. It is quite a stretch to attempt to compare either of those wood products to regular old 1/2" plywood.

cost is cheaper, just have to know how to do it. and i wasn't taking about making a car out of wood, which was made by a college engineering student and a team he had gathered if you would have bothered to read any of those links. but that requires intelligence and comprehension skills above that of a cucumber which seemingly most of you lack. jabroc, oh the irony!

[zerodameaon]

Those are only good for aerodynamics. Otherwise, they are more of a hindrance than protection.

How are they a hinderance? Mine has taken some really solid hits that would have otherwise connected directly with the oil pan/sway bar. PSM does not do shit just for looks the majority of the time.

Maybe it won't stiffen your chassis like they say but it sure as hell is going to be better than pavement directly to oil pan which is what they are designed to prevent. If you hit a speedbump at speed sure this won't do jack shit but become another thing you need to take off or bend back when pulling the car up onto a wrecker but that is the least of your issues then.

[Def]

Question: What is YOUR splitter constructed from???

Adding a layer of fiberglass for stiffness is a good idea. Using the treated marine birch wood is also good. Both of those would help with dry-rot/moisture absorbtion as well as stiffness.

My biggest issue with plywood is that it's so damned thick and heavy. I prefer a splitter that actually SPLITS the airflow rather than just bludgening it in half. Also the wear would be a concern for me. I would be worried about taking chunks out of it or the layers de-laminating over time.

A thin treated hardwood wrapped with fiberglass actually sounds pretty proper I might just steal that idea when the time comes!

My old one was Tegris, but the short length of the CoT splitter was not good for aerodynamics.

I agree you need to profile the splitter, but the flow separation isn't that bad with a square front (see CoT splitters).

I plan to do a 1/4" birch plywood and at least 1 layer of FG for my next splitter. It's hard to find weight estimates of the birch plywood though, so I'm still debating an alumalite splitter. But as far as durability goes - alumalite is NOT that durable. If you bend it with an off, it's very difficult to straighten it back out well. It also tends to "kink" or buckle when bent due to all the stiffness coming from the aluminum sheets on the outside.

seriously def

you DO realize that this is zilvia


keep your scientific answers to NRR, no one speaks your language here

Don't I know it... :picardfp::picardfp::picardfp:


Birch is a hardwood. Most of these posters are thinking of the pine stuff down at Home Despot or bLowes.

I know, which is why I specifically mentioned it, and didn't say "pick up the most waterlogged, rotten POS piece of wood you can find."

My local big box stores all sell birch plywood as well.

[Brian]

Wow kiss your TC brackets and oil pan goodbye with that...

Good ones bolt to the rod brackets then curve later to deflect a bash down away. not right into the pan. That thing is thin as hell too.

I like the PSM SP.
http://bhworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/0204091521a.jpg
エンジンパーツ Engine Parts - POWERED BY MAX (http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/page.php?13)

Hey... I'm pretty sure that is my car. cool!
Never hydroplaned.

edit: checked the URL. excellent.

[ixfxi]

best relative to ground/obstacle clearance Clarence.

EH?

whats your vector, Victor?


My local big box stores all sell birch plywood as well.

Birch plywood is good for cabinets, thats what I used in my garage.

Havent you morons learned anything yet? Steel plate is the ONLY solution here. I can tell you from first-hand experience, that they used steel plate in practically every episode of the A-Team when they had to make their vehicle bullet & explosion proof.

Def, I'm starting to question your engineering qualifications. In fact, I'm certainly glad I did not purchase that big brake kit you and Yates were selling.

Birch for splitters... pssh. Whats next, are people going to remove their SR20DETs in favor for USDM V8s? I think not.

Besides, dont you guys know that pushrods are ancient 1920 technology?

[racepar1]

Those are only good for aerodynamics. Otherwise, they are more of a hindrance than protection.

Your logic baffles me. How could that POSSIBLY be any kind of "hindrance"? I really don't understand why protecting the oil pan from scud missiles is a concern. ANY of those underpanels are really not that strong. They are made to deflect water and small debris. If a giant chunk of concrete somehow gets under the car you're fucked unless your "skid plate" is made of .5" kevlar or some shit. I simply don't see that as a realistic concern.

you can make a light and functional front splitter using cheap materials, as long as you know some materials and how to use them...

you can buy foam sheets from composite stores, that can be shaped using simple tools like a saw and some big grit sandpapers, and overlay that with tightly woven fiberglass, 2-3 layers with different directions on the weave, and then paint the whole thing black... the only thing you have to be careful with this, is you gotta make bigger metal mounts ,cause concentrated forces like one scew, might crush the foam between the fiberglass layers. i dont mention kevlar or carbon, though kevlar is the ideal for this place, cause cost is too damn high...

as for jabroc etc, they say it has weight to strength ratio better than steel, but you gotta use like a 1 inch thick plate, while if you made it from steel you would use 2mm...

Stop telling people to actually take pride in the craftsmanship of the "custom" parts on their cars. This is zilvia, that sort of thing is quite clearly frowned upon here...

I would NEVER dream of making an entire splitter out of Jabroc. That just doesn't make sense. It's too expensive and for stiffness you would probably still have to wrap it with fiberglass.

cost is cheaper, just have to know how to do it. and i wasn't taking about making a car out of wood, which was made by a college engineering student and a team he had gathered if you would have bothered to read any of those links. but that requires intelligence and comprehension skills above that of a cucumber which seemingly most of you lack. jabroc, oh the irony!

The cost is not cheaper if you know how to do your own carbon fiber work now is it??? EVERYTHING is cheaper if you know how to do it yourself, that's called COMMON SENSE...

Why in the world would I bother to read a link that I don't give a fuck about? I didn't even click on it.

The point is that an ENGINEERED wood product like Jabroc is NOT comparable to regular old pine plywood. That's like trying to compare basic cast iron to an advanced titanium alloy. They are in completely different categories.

My old one was Tegris, but the short length of the CoT splitter was not good for aerodynamics.

I agree you need to profile the splitter, but the flow separation isn't that bad with a square front (see CoT splitters).

I plan to do a 1/4" birch plywood and at least 1 layer of FG for my next splitter. It's hard to find weight estimates of the birch plywood though, so I'm still debating an alumalite splitter. But as far as durability goes - alumalite is NOT that durable. If you bend it with an off, it's very difficult to straighten it back out well. It also tends to "kink" or buckle when bent due to all the stiffness coming from the aluminum sheets on the outside.

Yeah, that is a major drawback of alumalite. It will bend and it isn't really repairable. Although Alumalite is cheap enough that you could just carry a spare.

[S14DB]

Hey... I'm pretty sure that is my car. cool!
Never hydroplaned.

edit: checked the URL. excellent.
Had to find a perfect example... :D

The point is that an ENGINEERED wood product like Jabroc is NOT comparable to regular old pine plywood. That's like trying to compare basic cast iron to an advanced titanium alloy. They are in completely different categories.
What the hell are you talking about. Metal is metal, wood is wood. Wood is not metal. Trying to get all technical on us with these categories?

[racepar1]

What the hell are you talking about. Metal is metal, wood is wood. Wood is not metal. Trying to get all technical on us with these categories?


Yeah, I know. I'm not very fluent in speaking moron...

:eek:

[Brian]

Post more pics

[racepar1]

Post more pics

ATTENTION WHORE!!!!!!

Maybe just a regular whore though, I don't really know you in that capacity...

:D

[Def]

Yeah, that is a major drawback of alumalite. It will bend and it isn't really repairable. Although Alumalite is cheap enough that you could just carry a spare.

Maybe alumalite is way cheaper where you are, but the name brand stuff is over $200/sheet around here, and the generic off-brand stuff is about $120-140/sheet. To get any reasonable depth (i.e. to your front subframe), you're going to use a whole sheet to do it.

I can make a nice foam cored carbon fiber splitter for over $200.



And you people are seriously making me facepalm - jabroc is not used because it has high strength or anything - it's used as the WEAR SURFACE on the bottom/sides of splitters and planks because it's tough, wear resistance, and solid.

[crzsteveo]

ssssssssssssoooooooooooooo all im getting at is use wood for your front bumper if you got a low car? awesome!

[racepar1]

Maybe alumalite is way cheaper where you are, but the name brand stuff is over $200/sheet around here, and the generic off-brand stuff is about $120-140/sheet. To get any reasonable depth (i.e. to your front subframe), you're going to use a whole sheet to do it.

I can make a nice foam cored carbon fiber splitter for over $200.

Personally that is one part that I would like to have a spare for, $200 isn't that bad. Honestly though I think your marine birch wood covered in fiberglass is more cost-effective. It is more work to make one like that, but it would likely cost half as much. That design is at the top of my list personally, unless I somehow come-up on a sheet of alumalite for peanuts that is...

[racepar1]

ssssssssssssoooooooooooooo all im getting at is use wood for your front bumper if you got a low car? awesome!

Yeah, preferrably the most water-logged, rotted, cheapest shit you can find...

:rimshot:

[Matej]

Your logic baffles me. How could that POSSIBLY be any kind of "hindrance"? I really don't understand why protecting the oil pan from scud missiles is a concern.
The bolt heads get ground off after pulling out of the driveway the first time one drives with it. It is no fun trying to extract them.
Thin aluminum does not do much for protection, especially when it sits lower than every other point on the car. There are several threads on the internet where people talk about how quickly and easily they destroyed the skid plate.
And the way it mounts in the front is just asking for it to get ripped off.

The best protection would probably be one or two round metal tubes connecting the radiator support and crossmember, going under the oil pan.

[racepar1]

The bolt heads get ground off after pulling out of the driveway the first time one drives with it. It is no fun trying to extract them.
Thin aluminum does not do much for protection, especially when it sits lower than every other point on the car. There plenty of threads on the internet, even on this forum alone, where people talk about how quickly and easily they destroyed the skid plate.
And the way it mounts in the front is just asking for it to get ripped off.

The best protection would probably be one or two round metal tubes connecting the radiator support and crossmember, going under the oil pan.

What in the world are you driving through? Rally cars are protected on the bottom by EXTREMELY similar underpanels. You COULD use tapered head allen bolts rather than the typical bolts as well.

I still don't understand what exactly you guys are protecting your oil pans from. More than that I am wondering if there is something wrong with all the 240's I have ever owned/worked on. On all the 240's that I have seen the oil pan is ABOVE the crossmember and behind the swaybar. IMO that seems like pretty damned solid protection right there.

[MidwestMyriad]

I like Knoop's
http://knoop.sumospeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/skid-plate-1.jpg
http://knoop.sumospeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/skid-plate-2.jpg
Well thought out mounting points.

[dazed]

Those are only good for aerodynamics. Otherwise, they are more of a hindrance than protection.


Honestly, I have to disagree. Just guessing, but I bet your reasoning is that they are pretty thin and you haven't used one. All good homeboi


http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/zarin_photos/null_zpsb42d7045.jpg?t=1380072237

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/zarin_photos/null_zps20e0c73c.jpg?t=1380072230

3/4 mounting points bolted on. As you can see it actually almost wore through and separated in the middle. That's ok, only the piece under the oil pan really does anything anyway. Haggard as hell but it saves my pan on a daily basis. It's basically the first thing to hit the ground.

Actually motivated me to kinda clean it up. Going to angle grind that piece that kinda started to flare out downwards and see if I can get it to sit up a little higher.

But yeah it's actually quite useful. I don't know about aerodynamic wise like you said but definitely a necessity if you're remotely low.

[lflkajfj12123]

I don't have a skid plate or a front sway bar. My oil pan is relatively unscathed with nismo motor mounts and power brace. It sits slightly above the crossmember. I don't see a need for one but then again SR oil pans might sit lower. My car is significantly lower than most of zilvia.

*kanye shrug*

[zerodameaon]

Matej I am now doubting you have ever had a skid plate. If you went and looked at the PBM ones you would see that they bend up in the front above your rad support. If you are dragging the ground that high up you might want to put your front bumper back on. And my bolts are just fine maybe a little scratch here or there but sure as hell not rounded off.

Racepar1 my pan sits exactly where you specified yet somehow I have some scratches in the bottom of the pan. If you look though it protects more than just the pan it protects the cross member leading edge and most of the tension rod brackets. Yeah its not going to save you from a manhole cover tipped up in a hole or a curb at 30mph but it does a decent job with those random high spots on the road and driveways/speedbumps.

Note my car is low but not slammed yet I live in Cali and the roads are horrid.

[Brian]

isnt this about hydroplaning?

[zerodameaon]

Not for the last four pages.

[ixfxi]

isnt this about hydroplaning?

no

its about saving the undercarriage of poor-handling vehicles due to being excessively lowered by idiot owners

[Brian]

Dear 240SX enthusiasts,
Can a skid plate and/or a splitter make a lowered vehicle more susceptible to hydroplaning in wet conditions?
Y/N?

It seems that a big flat panel located a couple of centimeters above ground could prove to be quite the buoyant nuisance when youthfully motoring through puddles, lakes, marshes, etc.
This is a matter of grave importance that has been squatting on the back of mind, as some sort of a squatting thing would.
Are the shades of Pemberley to be thus polluted?


lol .

[ixfxi]

lol .

is this a post, you stupid fuck?

i hate you, die. you multi-colored avatar having post whore.

[InsTanCeZ]

Let's be friends guys. :hey: :hug:
Someone should just make a skid plate that covers the entire undercarriage out of stainless steel so we can just drive wherever we want scraping the ground 24/7 and flooring it up steep inclines. It would weigh an assload, but who cares about performance? Cars aren't made for driving they're just made for looking cool. K?
Also, you can make a splitter out of surfboards zip tied to front of car. Seems legit.

[Brian]

is this a post, you stupid fuck?

i hate you, die. you multi-colored avatar having post whore.

haha Mike. I'm going to have to stop promoting cleacorners in all lighting based threads now :yum:

[racepar1]

no

its about saving the undercarriage of poor-handling vehicles due to being excessively lowered by idiot owners

That's what I got from this...

Also, you can make a splitter out of surfboards zip tied to front of car. Seems legit.

DAMN, I was trying to think of the ghettoest lamest POS splitter that I could make so I can post pics of it and be a zilvia god. I was thinking cardboard with a layer of duct tape for stiffness and attached with cris-crossed zip ties for secure mounting. I think your surfboard idea has me beat though...

[Brian]

I was thinking a "panel" of a single ply 10oz. fiberglass dry cloth with resin just poured onto it... using the parking lot as the tooling surface.

[Matej]

On all the 240's that I have seen the oil pan is ABOVE the crossmember and behind the swaybar. IMO that seems like pretty damned solid protection right there.
The sway bars from my vehicle have been discarded for race car purposes.

[InsTanCeZ]

But Chris Forsberg uses sway bars and he's a pro.

[Matej]

But Chris Forsberg uses sway bars and he's a pro.
But look at his car. It is orange and blue.

[terrence]

I have the Xcessive skid deal and it is pretty substantial for my needs. I love the way it mounts so when it's ground to nothing the hardware is still intact to remove it an what-not. Pictures for the visually inclined:

http://ofthefortress.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/2012-12-04_21-54-10_488.jpg?w=900

http://ofthefortress.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/2012-12-04_21-54-03_715.jpg?w=900

[racepar1]

I was thinking a "panel" of a single ply 10oz. fiberglass dry cloth with resin just poured onto it... using the parking lot as the tooling surface.

Sorry, fiberglass is way too high tech. Using the parking lot as a "tooling surface" is quite a solid idea though. I've gotta figure out a wat to incorporate that into either my cardboard splitter or to the surfboard idea.

The sway bars from my vehicle have been discarded for race car purposes.

Race cars have swaybars dude. There is NO performance advantage to taking out at least the front swaybar. Although I used to run without a rear swaybar. As a matter of fact you want a stiffer front swaybar.

[Matej]

Race cars have swaybars dude.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxilawhRsC1qaaun5.gif

[racepar1]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxilawhRsC1qaaun5.gif

I'm pretty well aware that "Matej" and "performance" are words that do not belong in the same sentence together. Well, unless the word "poor" or similar is attached to the word "performance".

[Brian]

Which type of skidplate is best for performance?

[Brian]

Matej - I think if you rub a bunch of rainX on your skid plate, you will have no problems. The water will just glide by it and won't even have a chance to "stick" to it.

Problem solved.

[Matej]

Which type of skidplate is best for performance?
http://img56.photobucket.com/albums/v171/everythingextreme/zaccar12.jpg


Matej - I think if you rub a bunch of rainX on your skid plate, you will have no problems. The water will just glide by it and won't even have a chance to "stick" to it.

Problem solved.
Would relocating the rear window wiper to the skid plate work?

[racepar1]

Which type of skidplate is best for performance?

Manhole cover...

[Motary]

Race cars have swaybars dude. There is NO performance advantage to taking out at least the front swaybar. Although I used to run without a rear swaybar. As a matter of fact you want a stiffer front swaybar.

Stiffening up the front increases understeer and roll bars increase lateral weight transfer so they are not all that great

[Matej]

I'm pretty well aware that "Matej" and "performance" are words that do not belong in the same sentence together. Well, unless the word "poor" or similar is attached to the word "performance".
You are the one whose oil pan is above the cross member. Do you even care about center of gravity?

[OBEEWON]

i was thinking of installing some bookshelves by the rear passenger seats...for long journeys, you know.

Hahahahaha

isnt this about hydroplaning?

Matej - I think if you rub a bunch of rainX on your skid plate, you will have no problems. The water will just glide by it and won't even have a chance to "stick" to it.

Problem solved.

This whole thread made me spend more than 10 min on Zilvia today.

Matej
Mike
Brian
Racecarpar1234

Thanks guys.

Also this one time I made my splitter out of some stuff I found in the woods. It was some type of plastic that smelled like lady crotch. Didn't matter because it broke off the first trip I took.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w264/OBEEWON/100_2059.jpg

I should have used wood, but it was 2003 and I was more worried about lady parts.

[Brian]

The only problem with making the splitter panel so perfect at cutting through the air is that it almost becomes too slippery and you actually LOSE downforce. The air can't even "grab" onto the panel to create the downforce effect.
When you are out on the track and every tenth of a second (and sometimes smaller measurements) matters, this becomes quite the important thing to consider.

So, even though some of you guys think you are a great garage mechanic, I'd think about leaving this one to the real engineers.

[OBEEWON]

When winning matters.

http://photos.motoiq.com/Event-Coverage/GTA-Palm-Beach-2012/i-LdJzp2s/0/L/W0B9481-L.png

[hellion240sx]

this thread.... lol. oh zilvia and its zilvians. in for more info and shenanigans

edit: I win obeewon

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/2795/Nerds-Eye-View-The-MCA-Suspensions-Hammerhead-Silvia-S13.aspx

[racepar1]

Stiffening up the front increases understeer and roll bars increase lateral weight transfer so they are not all that great

That COMPLETELY depends on the car. There are multiple reasons for understeer and oversteer and multiple solutions. 240's don't have much issue with understeer. The PRIMARY concern is limiting on-throttle oversteer. Thanks, but I understand pretty well how swaybars work.

You are the one whose oil pan is above the cross member. Do you even care about center of gravity?

Yes, the higher the better. I was planning on mounting my engine ABOVE the hood for maximum oil pan protection.

[OBEEWON]

edit: I win obeewon

Nerd's Eye View: The MCA Suspensions "Hammerhead" Silvia S13 (http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/2795/Nerds-Eye-View-The-MCA-Suspensions-Hammerhead-Silvia-S13.aspx)

Dang.
Checkmate. The better sir won.

I use my oil pan to protect my engine from hitting the earth.

[InsTanCeZ]

What if you made an oil pan out of wood? Would that work?

[ayuaddict]

The sway bars from my vehicle have been discarded for race car purposes.

I feel that leaving the front sway bar on is beneficial for protection, was the issue binding or lower strut clearance?

[lflkajfj12123]

My sway bar was pretty much ground down flat. When I would hit things the whole front end would jump and you'd feel it in your tailbone. I removed it because I have stiff springs which basically takes over most of the sway bars job. Now my underbody has more clearance and the car feels like a Lexus with my superior Bride seating. I can now hit 130 on the wangan without fear of breaking my back on a bump. Any under panel would reduce my ground clearance. Raising the car is simply not an option because it would raise my race car's center of gravity, which would make me an idiot.

[Matej]

The sway bar end links kept breaking or ripping out of the LCA's.
One time I discovered that the end links were ripped out on both sides and I did not even know how long I had been driving with the sway bar disconnected, so I guess it did not make much of a difference to me.
It did work well for protecting the pan though, but then I raised the engine anyway.


Every aftermarket oil pan should have a skid plate. With a NASA-spec layer of rubberized synthetic material underneath, for excessive cushioning capabilities.
http://www.junauto.co.jp/gallery/cylinderblock/baffledoilpan_sr20b.jpg
And plywood.

[InsTanCeZ]

Hey s0ap, what's your spring rates? What kind of coilovers? Do you guys remove rear sway bars too?

[xoxide]

http://img56.photobucket.com/albums/v171/everythingextreme/zaccar12.jpg



Would relocating the rear window wiper to the skid plate work?


I hate to admit this, but this was actually a local jax person. :naw:

[Frank_Jaeger]

What about pegboard splitters? I've got one in my garage I'm gonna be throwing out.

[Corbic]

That's Jabroc not plywood.

...and nobody else caught this.

https://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=6180

Jabroc is what the pros actually use and it's actually not cheap at all. They are not buying sheets of plywood from god damn Home Depot.


With that said. Whatever. If it keeps the stanced-kids happy they who cares.

[Corbic]

Every aftermarket oil pan should have a skid plate


Not sure how that would help. Stock pans crush under their own weight. I'd envision the pan ripping off, tearing or being pancaked still.

Building some off-road style rock protection might work better.

http://www.rubberduck4x4.com/store/pc/catalog/UCP_Rollover_lrg.jpg

[NoPistons!]

The best protection would probably be one or two round metal tubes connecting the radiator support and crossmember, going under the oil pan.


I'll be the one almost 30 year old in here that isn't going to act like a fucking snob child and say this.

1. H brace. Tie the tension rod brackets together and then link those to where your lca's fit to the crossmember. Profit. Dude friend of mine had one on his integra he dumped and i told him that shit was a waste of money until we rode around in it a ton. His oil pan was saved on many occausions. H brace has taken one hell of a beating.

2. I could see having a plywood splitter on a kitted/vented hood car that drifts being super beneficial for cooling.



3. Telling people to build a car how you want it built is fucking lame.

[Corbic]

I still don't understand what exactly you guys are protecting your oil pans from. More than that I am wondering if there is something wrong with all the 240's I have ever owned/worked on. On all the 240's that I have seen the oil pan is ABOVE the crossmember and behind the swaybar. IMO that seems like pretty damned solid protection right there.

Give up man.

No one putting a plywood "skidplate" on their car cares.

The point is they stick out an inch from the bumper and deflect cones at drift days and help the car skid over curbs, dirt and rocks when you go off the track. We're not talking about pros or even well pre-paired tracks. Shit happens.

We can debater to no end it's actual effectiveness, but if people think it works, well trusting your weapon is half the battle.

Let them have fun and in 5 years maybe they will go "god that was dumb".

[KoukiGeorge]

hydro drift championship


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/domeniccucunato/2002/Photoshop%20Works/notcool_zpsdaf7cc47.jpg


^^^^^ LMAO!!!!!!! :eek2:

[hellion240sx]

Thanks obeewon! Might sig that lol.

[chriskilla2]

3. Telling people to build a car how you want it built is fucking lame.

Sigh.........

[S14DB]

I hate to admit this, but this was actually a local jax person. :naw:
and that is after he launched it off a dirt jump...

[xoxide]

Yes. And Had a bicycle helmet on.... Cant remember the guys user name, but he posted on here awhile back and on my local 240 forums.

[ghoti]

...and nobody else caught this...

Yeah. 5 pages and no one caught this:picardfp:

We use a produck called Jabrock, which is plywood impregnated with resin and compressed at high pressure. Yeah, that's not cheap either. Plywood is NOT strong enough, and it does NOT work fine. It is ghetto, cheap-ass, backwoods, redneck bullshit.

Hot Jabroc shots...


That's Jabroc not plywood.


I would be REALLY interested in knowing more about that material. I would be willing to bet that it's extremely expensive hardwood and probably specially treated to be more durable, similar to jabroc. That pic was posted in another thread with a similar topic a few years ago though.

Bet you it is just jabroc



EDIT:
A reverse image search reveals it is rosewood(supposedly) and no doubt just turned into jabroc from veneers.


Key is hardwood(Jabroc) not soft wood like pine.

Jabroc would be ideal, but that shit's expensive.


I LOVE Jabroc.



as for jabroc etc, they say it has weight to strength ratio better than steel, but you gotta use like a 1 inch thick plate, while if you made it from steel you would use 2mm...

jabroc, oh the irony!


And you people are seriously making me facepalm - jabroc is not used because it has high strength or anything - it's used as the WEAR SURFACE on the bottom/sides of splitters and planks because it's tough, wear resistance, and solid.

[racepar1]

Give up man.

No one putting a plywood "skidplate" on their car cares.

The point is they stick out an inch from the bumper and deflect cones at drift days and help the car skid over curbs, dirt and rocks when you go off the track. We're not talking about pros or even well pre-paired tracks. Shit happens.

We can debater to no end it's actual effectiveness, but if people think it works, well trusting your weapon is half the battle.

Let them have fun and in 5 years maybe they will go "god that was dumb".

That post had nothing at all to do with plywood splitters. The discussion has moved onto "skid plates".

:tweak:

I simply don't understand what oil pans realistically need to be protected from that a simple, easily and cheaply replaceable, piece of aluminum sheetmetal can't handle. Matej in particular seems to be interested only in "skid plates" that are capable of withstanding a scud missile attack.

[ryandriftingfat]

Which type of skidplate is best for performance?

Garage Thrash.

[racepar1]

Garage Thrash.

No fucking way...

...did you ACTUALLY take Brian SERIOUSLY???

Don't do that, he's not...

...EVER!

[Corbic]

That post had nothing at all to do with plywood splitters. The discussion has moved onto "skid plates".

:tweak:

I simply don't understand what oil pans realistically need to be protected from that a simple, easily and cheaply replaceable, piece of aluminum sheetmetal can't handle. Matej in particular seems to be interested only in "skid plates" that are capable of withstanding a scud missile attack.

Honestly. A curb.

Go jump a curb or drop a wheel in the dirt and see how much a 1/8" piece of aluminum likes that.

Will plywood hold up better? Honestly, I don't know - but it apparently "seems" like it wood... (get it?) hence why people use it.

[Brian]

lol team ryan

[aga]

Also, you can make a splitter out of surfboards zip tied to front of car. Seems legit.

dude, surfboards cost money. :spank:

[ixfxi]

http://img56.photobucket.com/albums/v171/everythingextreme/zaccar12.jpg

I hate to admit this, but this was actually a local jax person. :naw:

You should be PROUD to admit that, one of the few and awesome things ever to grace this forum... and from FLORIDA, how fucking insane is that. Seriously, I was SO happy when that thread hit this forum... it was like a dream come true.

and that is after he launched it off a dirt jump...

What_the_fuck ....... you know how many years I've been waiting for you to post the video footage from this? FUCK, I want to see some red-neck 240 getting air!


Let them have fun and in 5 years maybe they will go "god that was dumb".

I agree. But seriously, cant these people at least put another car badge on their car while doing it? 240 guys are a real embarrassment nowadays....


lol team ryan

no more clear corners eh? fuck to you, mother yarr

next time i see you...... I KILL YOU!

[Corbic]

I agree. But seriously, cant these people at least put another car badge on their car while doing it? 240 guys are a real embarrassment nowadays....


Agreed. They seem to be the lowest common denominator anymore.

[Om1kron]

this thread makes me want to have my ass fucked.

[ghoti]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/555/787/dbd

[S14DB]

What_the_fuck ....... you know how many years I've been waiting for you to post the video footage from this? FUCK, I want to see some red-neck 240 getting air!The video quality was so bad I wanted to kill myself trying to rip it. Camera had been thru war and the color balance was like an acid trip. Tracking kept going in and out.

I'll look and see if I have the raw rip still. Never heard from the guy after I sent the tape back.

this thread makes me want to have my ass fucked.

Again?

[ixfxi]

Agreed. They seem to be the lowest common denominator anymore.

the ironic part about owning a 240 (and unfortunately not driving it for near a decade now) is I see so many beatup, piece of shit 240s nowadays.. that i actually fuck with them on the road

the other day i cut off some dumb fuck. his car was the typical run-of-the-mill trend car with some bullshit primered body kit, wide rims with stretched tires, excessively lowered... and when i looked into his car i saw some fruity burberry interior..

i thought it was wayne t edwards car but you know, his car has paint :)

[Corbic]

Keep Drifting Serious.

[NoPistons!]

this thread makes me want to have my ass fucked.

I'd like to fuck the back of my skull with a hammer reading some of the "points" being blown across that aint got shit to do with shit this man asked for in the thread.

Feet first steamrolling would be more pleasant. The original intent was good. It's always off track stupid opinions and facts that are useless contributions.


Steel is real. Tubing and plating instead of just a thin plate will be stronger.

Asking technical questions on car forums always turns into a circle jerk of "nobody gives a fuck".

[OBEEWON]

this thread makes me want to have my ass fucked.

wrong forum.

craigslist | personals (http://sfbay.craigslist.org/i/personals?category=m4m)

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[OBEEWON]

hydroplane in any weather.

http://imageshack.com/scaled/large/541/waynewonder.png

[ixfxi]

oh shit, thats the car i cutoff last week!


wait....

nevermind, its just wayne t edwards. foiled again.

[InsTanCeZ]

Hey guys has anyone heard of jabroc? I think it would be good material for a splitter.

[Corbic]

Hey guys has anyone heard of jabroc? I think it would be good material for a splitter.

No dood, tell me more.

[Om1kron]

my wheels are made of jabroc, my afro is made of JEWbroc.

[ixfxi]

Hey guys has anyone heard of jabroc? I think it would be good material for a splitter.

No dood, tell me more.

my wheels are made of jabroc, my afro is made of JEWbroc.

no no no.... its not Jabroc nor JEWbroc

its jabroni... as in, you are no guud piece of shit madder facket

9K-wEUCCvE0

My hero. The one and only - Iron Sheik.

[racepar1]

Honestly. A curb.

Go jump a curb or drop a wheel in the dirt and see how much a 1/8" piece of aluminum likes that.

Will plywood hold up better? Honestly, I don't know - but it apparently "seems" like it wood... (get it?) hence why people use it.

1/8" aluminum is beefy shit. If that can't handle whatever you're hitting you're fucked. I'm talking about like 16ga aluminum sheet metal. Bend it, whatever, go to home depot and make another for $10.

Damn, I should have had a skid plate on my M3 when I hit that melon sized chunk of concrete at 70mph. It dented my underbrace, CRAZY damage...

no no no.... its not Jabroc nor JEWbroc

its jabroni... as in, you are no guud piece of shit madder facket

9K-wEUCCvE0

My hero. The one and only - Iron Sheik.

You know someone's an old fart when they post Iron Sheik videos...

:D

[Def]

1/8" aluminum sheet is so flimsy in bending it's not even funny. Sure, it feels strong grabbing a 3" long piece with your limp wrists, but put a big 60" span out there and the thing is floppy like your saggy man tits.

[S14DB]

1/8" aluminum sheet is so flimsy in bending it's not even funny. Sure, it feels strong grabbing a 3" long piece with your limp wrists, but put a big 60" span out there and the thing is floppy like your saggy man tits.
We doing a full body tray?

You can put bead rolls in it or rivet bracing to it. OEM stamped panels I have removed were not flimsy at all.

[Matej]

Speaking of materials, where can one procure large sheets/rolls of aluminum? Not for a skid plate, but for personal needs. I assumed every home improvement store would have some, but that is apparently not the case.

[racepar1]

Speaking of materials, where can one procure large sheets/rolls of aluminum? I assumed every home improvement store would have some, but that is apparently not the case.

Nope, they've only got scraps. Here in the Los Angeles area I would tell you to go to Industrial Metal Supply, but I'm not sure if they're in Kansas City or not. I would just Google "metal supply" and your area code. Something should come-up...

[S14DB]

Speaking of materials, where can one procure large sheets/rolls of aluminum? At least 1x2 meters. Not for a skid plate, but for personal needs.
Metal by the Foot, Inc. (http://www.metalbythefoot.com/)

[Matej]

Nope, they've only got scraps. Here in the Los Angeles area I would tell you to go to Industrial Metal Supply, but I'm not sure if they're in Kansas City or not. I would just Google "metal supply" and your area code. Something should come-up...
Thank you for the tip, I shall look into that. :)


Metal by the Foot, Inc. (http://www.metalbythefoot.com/)
Gosh, why are all of these places in the unpleasant parts of the town?

[aga]

it doesnt matter if the sheet is flimsy, once its bolted down properly it goes nowhere... you will have to fabricate a lot of mounts anyway...the tray must be bolted in many places, like 20+ bolts.

its a project that requires quite a bit of welding, planning and ideally, a car lift. that's my opinion, if someone wants to do it right. fiberglass is good, but drilling into it creates a weakness... it can be torn around the bolt (a solution is to bury a washer into the fiberglass, between layers)...

[bc.]

http://www.annandave.org/Morgan%20factory%20027.jpg

[fullthrottle]

Actually the purpose of a splitter is to make DOWNFORCE. If you're not trying to make DOWNFORCE then why the splitter??? Just make an underpanel out of sheetmetal. Oh, that's right, I forgot. You can't hard-park like a badass with just an underpanel that nobody can see...

Splitters are NOT for street cars, PERIOD.

Plywood does NOT work "perfectly fine" either. Plywood is NOT strong enough to hold up to the forces that a PROPER splitter sees. I've got more than one buddy that made himself a super awesome plywood splitter only to have it rip itself straight off the car at high speed on the first trackday. It also wears EXTREMELY quickly. REAL race cars don't even use plywood for wear strips because it wears too fast. We use a produck called Jabrock, which is plywood impregnated with resin and compressed at high pressure. Yeah, that's not cheap either. Plywood is NOT strong enough, and it does NOT work fine. It is ghetto, cheap-ass, backwoods, redneck bullshit.

ONLY in the 240sx "community" is fashion valued so much higher than function. ONLY here is price valued so highly over pride.

Since when is any aero on a drift car actually for downforce. What planet do you live on where you believe any of us drifters actually care about the aerodynamic effects of the cool shit we rivet to our cars.

[Corbic]

Since when is any aero on a drift car actually for downforce. What planet do you live on where you believe any of us drifters actually care about the aerodynamic effects of the cool shit we rivet to our cars.

Well said.

[racepar1]

Since when is any aero on a drift car actually for downforce. What planet do you live on where you believe any of us drifters actually care about the aerodynamic effects of the cool shit we rivet to our cars.

I'm not a drifter. I really don't give a fuck if you care. Your attitude is ignorant and childish. You have no taste. Stick to neon colors and shiny trinkets, good for you. I'll continue to make my car fast and talk about whatever I want. I have NO RESPECT for "drifters", sorry someday you'll grow up and understand...

BTW, go you! Maybe next time you could find an older post to quote...


EDIT: I smell a troll, drifters use zip ties, not rivets...

[InsTanCeZ]

You have no respect for drifters? I don't think I'll ever grow up and understand.

[Corbic]

I'm not a drifter. I really don't give a fuck if you care. Your attitude is ignorant and childish. You have no taste. Stick to neon colors and shiny trinkets, good for you. I'll continue to make my car fast and talk about whatever I want. I have NO RESPECT for "drifters", sorry someday you'll grow up and understand...

BTW, go you! Maybe next time you could find an older post to quote...


EDIT: I smell a troll, drifters use zip ties, not rivets...

Why do you own a 240 then?
What do you race at?

There are no spec 240 series that i know of. In fact, I don't know of a single organized race series that the 240sx is actually competitive in.

[InsTanCeZ]

Redline Time Attack

[OBEEWON]

I'm not a drifter. I really don't give a fuck. I have NO RESPECT for "drifters"
...grow up...

BTW rivets...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2138093/no-respect-o.gif

[bigs]

Your attitude is ignorant and childish.

You act like a fucking five year old to anyone who doesn't like the same thing you do, which happens to be the majority of people on the forum.

It's like joining a forum for Xbox games/discussion and just going around telling everyone that Xbox sucks dick...buy a Playstation.

Get off your computer and lose some weight. You'll have faster lap times to throw in everyone's face.

[InsTanCeZ]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/kabooyow.gif

[Corbic]

Redline Time Attack

Not real racing.

[OBEEWON]

You act like a fucking five year old to anyone who doesn't like the same thing you do, which happens to be the majority of people on the forum.

It's like joining a forum for Xbox games/discussion and just going around telling everyone that Xbox sucks dick...buy a Playstation.

Get off your computer and lose some weight. You'll have faster lap times to throw in everyone's face.

http://holidayverve.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a64c43d5970b017ee3af12e1970d-800wi

[aga]

Not real racing.

that's like saying dentists are not real doctors.

[PPman]

Racepar1 he is not driving a racecar, he thinks he has one maybe, but in reality he drives his car daily, unlike your racecars that you only use at the track. He explained the reason behind that plywood yet you got onto him because?? That's not how YOU build racecars? Some older people have good advice others are just full of themselves and scream bloody murder every time someone does something different or with cheaper materials than they do on their cars. Shitat least he drives his car often and guess what against the knowledge and acceptance of all your racecar builds and engineering degrees and expertise his plywood has held up daily driving which sees more potholes, rocks, and abuse than your beloved trailer queen... Besides what is jabroc again? Plywood impregnated with blah blah fucking plywood at the end of the day just with a glue coat lol still fucking plywood anywayyou look a it.

[Corbic]

that's like saying dentists are not real doctors.

Drifting

http://bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/headline_1263752901.jpg


Drifting is the figure skating of the car world. You dress your car up all cool and go out there and twirl around and get points awarded. Sure it takes skill and practice but it's not the same thing as running a triathlon, going 9 rounds in a heavy weight match or taking a puck to the face mask.

Calling Drifting, (especially the type of drifting kids on this form do) "racing" is like asking Dr Phil to perform a colonoscopy.

[PeaceOnesxWai]

^

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2212338/will-ferrell-ribbon-dance-o.gif

Drifting is cool, you people wont understand!! Your OLD and BORING!!

[Corbic]

^

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/2212338/will-ferrell-ribbon-dance-o.gif

Drifting is cool, you people wont understand!! Your OLD and BORING!!

Ironically enough, I'm sure 12 year old you told 19 year old me the same thing about this...

NHozn0YXAeE

[soundboy]

i took a piece of 12g metal and bolted it below my car, to prevent damage to the oilpan and such.

changed oil and took the bish off, works pretty good now

[InsTanCeZ]

Drifting is the figure skating of the car world. You dress your car up all cool and go out there and twirl around and get points awarded. Sure it takes skill and practice but it's not the same thing as running a triathlon, going 9 rounds in a heavy weight match or taking a puck to the face mask.

Calling Drifting, (especially the type of drifting kids on this form do) "racing" is like asking Dr Phil to perform a colonoscopy.

I don't think anyone called drifting racing, but you and racepar seem to be saying you have no respect for drifters and that we should "grow up," I don't understand what the hate is about. lol

[racepar1]

Drifting

http://bigotherbigother.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/headline_1263752901.jpg


Drifting is the figure skating of the car world. You dress your car up all cool and go out there and twirl around and get points awarded. Sure it takes skill and practice but it's not the same thing as running a triathlon, going 9 rounds in a heavy weight match or taking a puck to the face mask.

Calling Drifting, (especially the type of drifting kids on this form do) "racing" is like asking Dr Phil to perform a colonoscopy.


I rarely agree with your posts, but you're right on the money. Nice picture selection BTW!

:bigok:




I BLATANTLY over-exaggerate my point of view specifically because it is scoffed at and not taken seriously. You don't necessarily have to apply it to your particular car, different cars are for different purposes. You should at least be able to appreciate the information. Post something about technically correct aero and little fuckwads are still quoting your shit weeks later bitching about how nobody cares. Aren't "you" at least curious to know? You know in case "you" expand "your" automotive world beyond simply the automotive equivalent of dancing someday???

[feito]

You act like a fucking five year old to anyone who doesn't like the same thing you do, which happens to be the majority of people on the forum.

It's like joining a forum for Xbox games/discussion and just going around telling everyone that Xbox sucks dick...buy a Playstation.

Get off your computer and lose some weight. You'll have faster lap times to throw in everyone's face.
haha this should end the thread

[Corbic]

I don't think anyone called drifting racing, but you and racepar seem to be saying you have no respect for drifters and that we should "grow up," I don't understand what the hate is about. lol

Actually I have no respect for the "drifter mentality" of horde a bunch of shinny "look at me parts", put them on a car, call it a "race car" and then proceed to abuse the fuck out of it, wreck it and tell everyone "it supposed to look like shit - RACECAR!!" and howl about how prices are to expensive to get a "Clean roller" to repeat previous project.

A good example of this is - I don't see anyone in the autocross world needing plywood splitters because they are plowing into cones, destroying their fragile fiberglass body kits or losing control - going off the track (Aka parking lot) and ripping their oil pan off because they are a quarter inch off the ground and hit a curb...

[InsTanCeZ]

That's exactly why drifting is so cool. It's like a car show, except the cars are going 80mph sideways with huge clouds of smoke, sometimes next to other cool cars going sideways. Obviously more accidents are bound to happen while pushing a car beyond it's limits rather than pushing it to the edge of it's limits (going 30mph around a track made of cones). Don't get me wrong, I also enjoy racing, but drifting is just so cool. What's not to like? Drifting just seems a lot more fun than racing in my opinion, and you don't need a powerful car to have fun. All you need is a bucket seat, some coilovers, and an LSD. Racing isn't much fun unless you have a fast car, which requires more money.

[S14DB]

And this has gone thoroughly off topic...